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rockyroad55
Nov 7, 2010, 01:08 AM
I'm a student and like to do the basic needs, such as Word, PPT, Excel, some games like Left for Dead 2, and a lot of web browsing and watching movies. I have no idea which to keep. I already have the 15" but keep thinking about the MBA!

I also like to think in the long run which will last me better and longer. I can't see myself do much more gaming since I have a PS3 and my current apps will stay the same, which means no video or pic editing and no dual boots.



BENJMNS
Nov 7, 2010, 03:10 AM
I'm a student and like to do the basic needs, such as Word, PPT, Excel, some games like Left for Dead 2, and a lot of web browsing and watching movies. I have no idea which to keep. I already have the 15" but keep thinking about the MBA!

I also like to think in the long run which will last me better and longer. I can't see myself do much more gaming since I have a PS3 and my current apps will stay the same, which means no video or pic editing and no dual boots.

mba no question.

tim100
Nov 7, 2010, 05:38 AM
mba no question.

really no question, why

maflynn
Nov 7, 2010, 05:53 AM
The MBP has a larger screen, more expandability and a faster CPU.

The MBA small, lighter and is more portable.

It all depends on which model best fits your needs, high portability, or power and expanability

miata
Nov 7, 2010, 05:59 AM
In general, if long-life is the primary concern the Pros are the way to go. You can upgrade the RAM, HDD and even SuperDrive. You also have high speed Firewire 800 to add fast external storage. Keep in mind that the cost of RAM and SSD will drop quickly over time.

The most interesting upgrade will be replacing the HDD with SSD. Right now 250 GB costs around $500, but in another year...? The other thing tht people are doing is replacing the SuperDrives with an aftermarket 2.5" bay for SSD. Some are even installing two SSDs than striping them (RAID 0) for really wicked performance.

The MBAs are nice if they meet your needs and you don't see yourself needing more internal storage over time.

DFTU101
Nov 7, 2010, 06:30 AM
I think the MBP (as stated above) will last longer (faster CPU-upgradable RAM & Hard Drive). For portability, MBA. If I had just one computer, I'd take the MBP 15-best combo of portability and performance. Also, if you watch a lot of movies, it's a pain if you get DVDs to carry around the USB Drive on the MB Air.

SamTheeGeek
Nov 7, 2010, 06:36 AM
Macbook Air would be great :) for you.

Reasons why :

The cosmetic look
The Solid State Drive
Mobility and light weight
Great for gaming when it comes to Nvidia 320M

And one last thing, i got it and i gotta tell ya that it made my macbook pro 17" collect dust hehe, it feels soo much better and does my everyday tasks :)

oh yea App store for mac is coming soon so thats gonna be great for gaming ;)

Good Luck on deciding.

ProfMonnitoff
Nov 7, 2010, 06:47 AM
I was in pretty much the exact same situation. I'm a student and my usage is quite similar to yours, except that I also occasionally use Photoshop and Ableton Live. The 15" MBP with the high-res screen and 7200rpm HDD costs only slightly more than a maxed-out 13" MBA.

Things the Macbook Pro had going for it:
- 1680x1050 screen
- i7, and I could later upgrade to 8GB RAM and an SSD if needed
- Slightly better battery life
- It's not a brand new product so I know what I'm getting

Things the Macbook Air had going for it:
- Amazing portability. Almost half as light. I don't take my laptop to campus every day, but with the amount of books I'm usually lugging around every pound makes a difference. Also it might sound like a small thing, but with the weight restrictions on airplanes getting worse by the day, saving weight everywhere is helpful.
- The 13" screen has the same resolution as my current MBP, and a higher pixel density than even the high-res 15" screen
- Specs aren't THAT great obviously, but they're faster than my current MBP, which has been fast enough really, except...
- Really the only bottleneck on my current MBP is the Hard Drive. The only performance issues I get is when it starts paging and the HD chokes and I get to look at a beach ball for a few seconds. The SSD in the Macbook Air should help with that. The Macbook Pro wouldn't have had a SSD unless I pay another ~500.
- Hate to admit it, but the fact that the MBA looks so sexy was probably a deciding factor :o

Really the big question is if a C2D and 4GB RAM will cover your performance needs for the amount of time you want to keep the MBA (personally I get a new computer every ~3 years).

Another note: I highly recommend getting an external display for either laptop. Doesn't have to be a cinema display, but just any 20-24" LCD. They're so cheap now, and it makes a huge difference when writing an essay to have two screens. Also 13" vs 20" is a huge difference when watching a movie.

nfl46
Nov 7, 2010, 07:10 AM
MBP, without a doubt!

Hankster
Nov 7, 2010, 07:42 AM
What's more important?

MBA is lighter but has less power and on-board storage.
MBP is more powerful with more storage but heavier.

ryanb914
Nov 7, 2010, 07:55 AM
I would get the MBP, its faster and more powerful. The MBA is more for play in my opinion.

Fraaaa
Nov 7, 2010, 07:56 AM
I'm a student and like to do the basic needs, such as Word, PPT, Excel, some games like Left for Dead 2, and a lot of web browsing and watching movies. I have no idea which to keep. I already have the 15" but keep thinking about the MBA!

I also like to think in the long run which will last me better and longer. I can't see myself do much more gaming since I have a PS3 and my current apps will stay the same, which means no video or pic editing and no dual boots.

mba no question.

I had a MacBook and sold it for the MBA 13". No regrets.
I am a student too, and if gaming or power use is not your priority then MBA is your choice. You are going to love the weight factor when you'll be carrying it.

The MBP weight a Kg more, is bigger in size, has an HDD. You do not want this when you carry a laptop around. I have been there.

Plus you are going to get more power with the MBP and you won't even use. There is no need for that.

Enjoy your MBA :)

PS: check the gaming benchmark thread, they were talking about L4D on the MBA. Also this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zhWIe3t4nw)

Fraaaa
Nov 7, 2010, 08:02 AM
I would get the MBP, its faster and more powerful. The MBA is more for play in my opinion.

Faster? The MBA feels faster because of the SSD, not the MBP that actually have to purchase separate.

Powerful? If you talking about the processor, I hardly think he would notice the difference in Word.

Play? You mean like games? In this case MBP is a better choice because of the 330m, but I don't think will suit his student needs.

eyespii
Nov 7, 2010, 08:21 AM
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As a primary computer, Mbp all the way.

maflynn
Nov 7, 2010, 08:28 AM
Secondary computer, the 11" MBA would be great.
Primary computer, the 13" MBA would be decent, the 15" core i5 MBP would be better.

I purchased the 15" MBP and thought I over bought in so far that I should have gotten the 13" model. Depending on the needs the 13" MBA could be a good fit for a primary computer. In fact the 13" MBA is quicker then the 13" MBP and is more mobile then the 15" MBP, i.e., smaller, lighter.

It really depends on the OP's needs. As I already posted above. The 15" MBP, you get expandability and speed. The MBA you get more mobility and lighter laptop.

scenemissing
Nov 7, 2010, 09:26 AM
The key question is how much do you travel? All the sacrifices that the MBA makes are for size and weight. Do you plan to commute with it daily? Do you fly often?

BornAgainMac
Nov 7, 2010, 09:39 AM
What's more important?

MBA is lighter but has less power and on-board storage.
MBP is more powerful with more storage but heavier.

I wish the Mac Mini had the i7 Quad and disk & memory of the MBP and the laptops were MPA in design. That would go well together. The MBA should replace the MBP for most people.

BENJMNS
Nov 7, 2010, 10:23 AM
u really can't go wrong with either but since the whole premise of a laptop is mobile computing, the diff between the two is like running with just the nike dri-fit skivvies or with a 5lb water pack strapped around your waist. it's that BIG of a difference and i felt that diff even with the smaller 13" MBP i owned for like 2 days total.

many will call out mbp'supgradability as a plus and in turn i will call out all the things that stand out each time you even look or touch your laptop.

-looks (MBA)
-weight (MBA)
-display (mba so tight)
-launching apps/rebooting/shutting down (MBA)

don't underestimate the speed and snappiness of the ssd, bud. don't underestimate the weight and size advt, thus the no question to go with the MBA from me.

the MBA is the future of macbook. MBP is on its way out. it was great while it lasted.

Fraaaa
Nov 7, 2010, 10:55 AM
u really can't go wrong with either but since the whole premise of a laptop is mobile computing, the diff between the two is like running with just the nike dri-fit skivvies or with a 5lb water pack strapped around your waist. it's that BIG of a difference and i felt that diff even with the smaller 13" MBP i owned for like 2 days total.

many will call out mbp'supgradability as a plus and in turn i will call out all the things that stand out each time you even look or touch your laptop.

-looks (MBA)
-weight (MBA)
-display (mba so tight)
-launching apps/rebooting/shutting down (MBA)

don't underestimate the speed and snappiness of the ssd, bud. don't underestimate the weight and size advt, thus the no question to go with the MBA from me.

the MBA is the future of macbook. MBP is on its way out. it was great while it lasted.

I agree on everything but the last comment you made.

The MBP is not on its way out, is going to be enhanced not removed.

BENJMNS
Nov 7, 2010, 11:02 AM
I agree on everything but the last comment you made.

The MBP is not on its way out, is going to be enhanced not removed.

absolutely...

Krovem
Nov 7, 2010, 01:08 PM
Could some one give me advice please? I will be going to college next year, and will be going into business major. I also, do decent amount of importing/exporting HD video and editing. The late 08 MB Unibody I have now is a bit slow. When I export/import and surf the web, it slows down/freezes up.

I really like the design of the MBA and how small it is. Also, it is pretty fast. If I get the MBA 13" 4GB will I be okay? or should I wait until next year and get the 15" MBP?

Please let me know
Thanks!

miata
Nov 7, 2010, 01:18 PM
Could some one give me advice please? I will be going to college next year, and will be going into business major. I also, do decent amount of importing/exporting HD video and editing. The late 08 MB Unibody I have now is a bit slow. When I export/import and surf the web, it slows down/freezes up.

I really like the design of the MBA and how small it is. Also, it is pretty fast. If I get the MBA 13" 4GB will I be okay? or should I wait until next year and get the 15" MBP?

Please let me know
Thanks!
How much RAM do you have in your current machine? It never hurts to max out the RAM to 8 GB -- and costs around $150. The next upgrade would be HDD to SDD. The cost of that depends on how much internal storage you need. One cost effective option is to replace your SuperDrive with a lower capacity, lower capacity SSD and keep the HDD for additional capacity.

The biggest weakness of the MBA is related t storage -- the internal SSD fairly limited capacity and you only have USB to connect to external drives. HD video file are pretty big and with only USB to move then around...

Floris88
Nov 7, 2010, 01:31 PM
I had pretty much the same question and problem... student etc

I went to the Apple Store today and decided to pick up the MBA 13inch maxed out...

Krovem
Nov 7, 2010, 01:32 PM
How much RAM do you have in your current machine? It never hurts to max out the RAM to 8 GB -- and costs around $150. The next upgrade would be HDD to SDD. The cost of that depends on how much internal storage you need. One cost effective option is to replace your SuperDrive with a lower capacity, lower capacity SSD and keep the HDD for additional capacity.

The biggest weakness of the MBA is related t storage -- the internal SSD fairly limited capacity and you only have USB to connect to external drives. HD video file are pretty big and with only USB to move then around...

Currently my machine has 4gb, 250gb, and 2.4ghz. So the only thing it comes down to is will the MBA export/import with decent speed and if everything else will run fine while that is happening. Thats why Im thinking MBP 15" or MBA 13"

Krovem
Nov 7, 2010, 01:35 PM
I had pretty much the same question and problem... student etc

I went to the Apple Store today and decided to pick up the MBA 13inch maxed out...

Yeap. I think a lot of people do. But I heard from a lot of people MBA is okay for students and for regular uses (papers, surfing the web, etc). For graphic designers etc some said to get MBP.

I just dont know how good it will be with video editing, exporting/importing HD video, and multitasking while those things happen.

coochiekuta
Nov 7, 2010, 02:46 PM
people actually believe the pro is heavy? starting at around 5.5 lbs, if that is heavy then i think everyone should hit the weights.

anyway, i cant recommend the mba as an "only pc." the mba shouldnt be the only computer you own. the pro upgradability gives you some insurance for the future. if you do need more ram in the future, you can do that. if you do need more space, you can add that. if you get the extra cash and want an ssd, you can do that too.

you also have discrete graphics which enables you to run more demanding programs in the future or today. nvidia now helps with converting video, making the process that much faster.

as for the i5, its just flat out better than the c2d. turbo boost and hyperthreading gives you more "power" when you need it, if you need it. something the c2d cant do.

versatility of the pro and its power to portability ratio is what i see as the biggest advantage it has over the others. its also a durable machine. remains to be seem the reliability of this new mba but i know the old one displays had to be repaired often. it stands to reason being so thin they would be more fragile.

the mba is brand new so its more alluring. im not saying its a bad machine but its just not in the same league as the mbp.

Fraaaa
Nov 7, 2010, 02:54 PM
people actually believe the pro is heavy? starting at around 5.5 lbs, if that is heavy then i think everyone should hit the weights.

...

It depends how you carry it and for how long. If you have it on your shoulders, yes is heavy.

rockyroad55
Nov 8, 2010, 10:56 AM
It depends how you carry it and for how long. If you have it on your shoulders, yes is heavy.

Not exactly. I dropped $79 on a good north face backpack and I barely feel the weight at all, probably because I do work out and have textbooks with me at all times so it feels like everything else.

BENJMNS
Nov 8, 2010, 10:58 AM
It depends how you carry it and for how long. If you have it on your shoulders, yes is heavy.

agreed. not all of us like wearing backpacks as working/traveling professionals. i use a briefcase. it is noticeable chugging it around the world, airport to airport, city tocity.

stylinexpat
Nov 8, 2010, 11:11 AM
agreed. not all of us like wearing backpacks as working/traveling professionals. i use a briefcase. it is noticeable chugging it around the world, airport to airport, city tocity.

+1, On campus with a backpack to a young guy is most likely nothing but if you travel often there is quite a bit of a difference in weight.

loslosbaby
Nov 8, 2010, 11:14 AM
I'm a student and like to do the basic needs, such as Word, PPT, Excel, some games like Left for Dead 2, and a lot of web browsing and watching movies. I have no idea which to keep. I already have the 15" but keep thinking about the MBA!

I also like to think in the long run which will last me better and longer. I can't see myself do much more gaming since I have a PS3 and my current apps will stay the same, which means no video or pic editing and no dual boots.

I have a pre-uni MBP17 2.5/4/320, and I'm going to buy a MBA13. Why?

- Because its almost exactly the same general performance (geekbench)
- 4 lbs lighter
- I don't NEED the sys34 card slot
- I can use my drobo via USB
- upgrading to ADP 27, from decent Samsung 24
- don't have to buy a netbook to be "on call" to support my product
- move iTunes/iPhoto to the drobo

POOF, portability, "sit on the couch, carry it around, don't worry about the harddrive" and a warranty refresh, awesome.

I LOVE my 17, its my 3rd one, but, I realized that I can't develop on the high-rez screen without changing fonts, and when you change fonts in XCode it crashes. So, I'm giving into the dual-use nature of the computer..."Big screen at home development, small screen normal user portable"

I think that all future macs will be similar to this new MBA in terms of their I/O subsystems.

...and I'll probably like the 5lb MBP 17 core i9000000 a lot :)

For me, 1) I gotta have a laptop 2) I really don't want two computers

G.

rockyroad55
Nov 8, 2010, 02:28 PM
I have a pre-uni MBP17 2.5/4/320, and I'm going to buy a MBA13. Why?

- Because its almost exactly the same general performance (geekbench)
- 4 lbs lighter
- I don't NEED the sys34 card slot
- I can use my drobo via USB
- upgrading to ADP 27, from decent Samsung 24
- don't have to buy a netbook to be "on call" to support my product
- move iTunes/iPhoto to the drobo

POOF, portability, "sit on the couch, carry it around, don't worry about the harddrive" and a warranty refresh, awesome.

I LOVE my 17, its my 3rd one, but, I realized that I can't develop on the high-rez screen without changing fonts, and when you change fonts in XCode it crashes. So, I'm giving into the dual-use nature of the computer..."Big screen at home development, small screen normal user portable"

I think that all future macs will be similar to this new MBA in terms of their I/O subsystems.

...and I'll probably like the 5lb MBP 17 core i9000000 a lot :)

For me, 1) I gotta have a laptop 2) I really don't want two computers

G.

So are you selling the 17" or are you getting the MBA as a main computer? The more I come to the MBA threads every day, the more I just want to switch back.

jayo123456
Nov 8, 2010, 02:29 PM
^back to mbp?

why?

rockyroad55
Nov 8, 2010, 02:40 PM
I have a 15" now. Had an Air previously, but went to 15". Now after reading the forums, I want to go to the Air permanently. But, I'm thinking in the long-term, will the 15" serve me better than the Air?

I currently have a 180GB SSD and 4GB of ram. Runs nicely.

shootingrubber
Nov 8, 2010, 02:52 PM
I'm a student and like to do the basic needs, such as Word, PPT, Excel, some games like Left for Dead 2, and a lot of web browsing and watching movies. I have no idea which to keep. I already have the 15" but keep thinking about the MBA!

I also like to think in the long run which will last me better and longer. I can't see myself do much more gaming since I have a PS3 and my current apps will stay the same, which means no video or pic editing and no dual boots.

For what its worth, I ran Xbench on the base 13-inch MacBook Air at the Apple store and on the current 15-inch MacBook Pro, 2.53 GHz Intel Core i5, and their average scores were essentially the same. The MacBook Air got 157.7 and the MacBook Pro got 163. Obviously, if you put a SSD in the MacBook Pro and you get a whole different story. Next time I am back there I will disable the disk test on both machines and see how they compare.

I sold my MacBook Pro and iPad to get the base iMac refurbished and the base 13-inch MBA with 4GB of RAM. Couldn't be happier with my decision.

rockyroad55
Nov 8, 2010, 03:27 PM
I got an xbench score of 256.66

Is that good enough to keep my MBP instead of an air?

miata
Nov 8, 2010, 03:38 PM
AnandTech has done some pretty good benchmarks (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3991/apples-2010-macbook-air-11-13inch-reviewed/7). I just wish they compared maxed out systems with SSDs in the MBPs.

gwsat
Nov 8, 2010, 03:39 PM
I got a maxed out 13 inch MBA to replace my MBP. The MBA has turned out to be the functional equivalent of the 17 inch MBP, which it replaced, but the MBA weighs less than half as much as the MBP. For those who place a premium on mobile computing the MBA is the only answer. The additional power of the MBP, which won't benefit the great bulk of users anyway, comes at the price of significantly greater size and weight. Those who say that those differences are insignificant, and those who say otherwise should "go to a gym," are merely showing that they have no real world experience using an ultra lightweight computer like the MBA. It's their delusion. To each his own.

KPOM
Nov 8, 2010, 08:44 PM
people actually believe the pro is heavy? starting at around 5.5 lbs, if that is heavy then i think everyone should hit the weights.


Yes, it's heavy. Just because 5.5 lbs is what passes in the midrange Windows world as "thin and light" doesn't mean that the Pro is light.

Apparently you haven't used a 3 lb Air or a 2.3 lb 13" air, or carried it as a second PC. Since I purchased my original MacBook Air in 2008, I've carried it in the front pocket of my computer case along with my standard-issue 5.5 lb Windows PC while traveling. I couldn't do that with a 5.5 lb 1" thick MacBook Pro.

BENJMNS
Nov 8, 2010, 08:47 PM
I got a maxed out 13 inch MBA to replace my MBP. The MBA has turned out to be the functional equivalent of the 17 inch MBP, which it replaced, but the MBA weighs less than half as much as the MBP. For those who place a premium on mobile computing the MBA is the only answer. The additional power of the MBP, which won't benefit the great bulk of users anyway, comes at the price of significantly greater size and weight. Those who say that those differences are insignificant, and those who say otherwise should "go to a gym," are merely showing that they have no real world experience using an ultra lightweight computer like the MBA. It's their delusion. To each his own.

bingo get this man a prize

BENJMNS
Nov 8, 2010, 08:49 PM
Yes, it's heavy. Just because 5.5 lbs is what passes in the midrange Windows world as "thin and light" doesn't mean that the Pro is light.

Apparently you haven't used a 3 lb Air or a 2.3 lb 13" air, or carried it as a second PC. Since I purchased my original MacBook Air in 2008, I've carried it in the front pocket of my computer case along with my standard-issue 5.5 lb Windows PC while traveling. I couldn't do that with a 5.5 lb 1" thick MacBook Pro.

let me also add that for travelers, you can stick your mba 11 or 13 in the seat back pocket of a coach airline seat whereas with any mbp, the flight attendant will give you flack for it say it's not designed to support that kinda bulk/weight. :D serious

miata
Nov 8, 2010, 08:57 PM
let me also add that for travelers, you can stick your mba 11 or 13 in the seat back pocket of a coach airline seat whereas with any mbp, the flight attendant will give you flack for it say it's not designed to support that kinda bulk/weight. :D serious
If you work for a large company you can also send the Airs around in inter-office envelopes. Try that with a Pro:eek:

treynolds
Nov 8, 2010, 09:22 PM
I hemmed and hawed all over on this one, even though I'm not a student. I ended up with the maxed-out 13" MBA, but ONLY because it's a secondary computer. My primary is a 27" iMac. You may want to keep that 15" MBP as a primary because you can do more with it. For general use, you'll be happy with the MBA, but if you need more power you *might* regret giving up the MBP. YMMV...

loslosbaby
Nov 8, 2010, 11:59 PM
So are you selling the 17" or are you getting the MBA as a main computer? The more I come to the MBA threads every day, the more I just want to switch back.

I'm most-def selling the MBP17, and I intend to have a MBA13-ultimate+ACD27 be my primary computer.

The ultimate MBA13 scores exactly the same as my MacBook4,1 2.5GHz/4Gig/320Gig machine currently (geekbench).

Here's why I'm selling: 1) 4 mos on apple care left 2) MacBook4,1 w/8600 is 3, 4 gens back? 3) Wanted 8Gb anyways due to previous extensive use of VMWare 4) won't run displayport displays 5) I am "on call" for my new product, and was going to get a netbook to support it (eclipse, java (which!?), terminal, e-mail are all I need for that).

I got the MBP17 as a refurb, got a great price, I can get out of it net -400$, for almost 3 yrs service, astounding, never a warranty claim. Sounds like a good time to do it.

I LOVE 17's, its awesome, I am a big guy, big hands, wide shoulders, big arms etc., but, I treat the thing like a land-mine...I never ever walk around with it on, full-hibernate or sleep it before moving, set down, restart, whole shebang. I'd like to have a slightly less restricted, more casual "iPad like" couch/bed/car etc. computer experience in general...but (here's the punchline)...

...I'd love to go back to a 4 core i9, 5.5lb, GeForce 888 17" MBP with a whole more hour of battery, lightpeak, DVD or secondary SSD in same bay, 2-System card slot equipped system with an IPS display in 18-24 months.

I think the MBA is the new way of things, and this is how Apple will pull away (for a little while) from the competition with quieter, faster, cooler, sturdier, computers with more endurance.

No moving parts except keys and fans(tm).

G.

aberrero
Nov 9, 2010, 02:23 AM
A maxed out MBA doesn't make sense. If you need all that power, get the 15" MBP. if you don't need all that power, then why waste money maxing it out?

rockyroad55
Nov 9, 2010, 12:59 PM
Finally talked to apple about an exchange. They said I need to pay a restocking fee. I woul have hoped they could waive it but I guess I have to stick with my 15 beast for now.

shootingrubber
Nov 9, 2010, 01:11 PM
Finally talked to apple about an exchange. They said I need to pay a restocking fee. I woul have hoped they could waive it but I guess I have to stick with my 15 beast for now.

Go talk to someone else. You will find someone who will waive it eventually.

rockyroad55
Nov 9, 2010, 02:13 PM
Go talk to someone else. You will find someone who will waive it eventually.

Should I go to another store or call them again?

gwsat
Nov 9, 2010, 02:59 PM
A maxed out MBA doesn't make sense. If you need all that power, get the 15" MBP. if you don't need all that power, then why waste money maxing it out?
Based on personal experience, a maxed out 13 inch MBA makes a lot of sense. I bought mine in hopes that it could replace my MBP, although the MBP had 6GB of RAM and could simultaneously ran Windows 7 and a couple of Windows apps in VMware Fusion's Unity mode, along with a half dozen OS X apps. my maxed out 13 inch MBA handles all of that as well as the old MBP ever did. Thus, I am sure you understand why I categorically reject the notion that "A maxed out MBA doesn't make sense."

darngooddesign
Nov 9, 2010, 03:12 PM
For everyone judging by benchmark scores, you need to look at the diskbased and non-diskbased scores separately unless both machines have an SSD.

shootingrubber
Nov 9, 2010, 03:16 PM
Should I go to another store or call them again?

I would go to any Apple store, talk to the manager, and explain your situation nicely. For example, one time I had a 10% off coupon and bought Bose Headphones. I didn't like the headphones, so I returned them, and they weren't going to give me my 10% off coupon back. I asked to speak to the manager, explained the situation nicely, and I finally got the coupon back.

If you explain your situation nicely to a manager, they will waive the restocking fee. Personally, I ordered the 13-inch Air, 128GB SSD, 4GB RAM, and I couldn't be happier. I am a student too btw. I had a MBP, and I know it's not heavy when its carried for short periods of time, but when you have it in your backpack all day it does become annoying. That's why I opted for the MBA. Won't even feel it in my bag.

loslosbaby
Nov 10, 2010, 12:50 AM
Based on personal experience, a maxed out 13 inch MBA makes a lot of sense. I bought mine in hopes that it could replace my MBP, although the MBP had 6GB of RAM and could simultaneously ran Windows 7 and a couple of Windows apps in VMware Fusion's Unity mode, along with a half dozen OS X apps. my maxed out 13 inch MBA handles all of that as well as the old MBP ever did. Thus, I am sure you understand why I categorically reject the notion that "A maxed out MBA doesn't make sense."

To answer the previous question: Yes, I am planning to sell my MBP17 while the warranty will give the buyer a good vibe, and side-grade to a MBA13 ultimate.

I have this product I have to support 24/7, like I'm on-call etc., and have previously sworn off of having two computers. All the tests I have seen have shown they are about the same (geekbench, etc.) but having put a lot of time in my previous life (GraphOn GoGlobal X Windows client for Windows) tuning for user experience vs. speed, I know that there can be "that magic something that makes it seem crisper."

My GF is on a basic alum. macbook 13 with 4Gb/320Gb. She uses parallels. I am on the previously mentioned MBP17. She has no warranty, I have 3.5 mos left. The realities of money tell me I can sell my MBP for -450$ what I paid for it 2.75 years ago. That's awesome.

I played around at the Apple Store today on the BASE MBA11, and it launches apps sooooo much faster than anything I've got at home...amazing.

They are going to let me take a USB disc and my magic mouse tomorrow, config a MBA13 ultimate with the 27ACD, and I'm going to install Eclipse, and XCode.

I had an epiphany: where previously Developers needed flaming machines to do their work (I used to compile X Windows servers that took hours) now Developers are basically doing high-end word processing.

When I think about it, I don't have the needs that Creative does, running all that bloated Adobe stuff. I deleted Web Special CS3 off of my MBP in preparations for moving off of it, and hadn't used any of it in a long while. POOF.

I'll sit down and do some work for an hour or so, and I'll know then.

My goals:
- Have a portable machine I can support my current product on, from anywhere. We had a "our data provider changed the XML without warning us and it blew everything up" thing happen just today.
- Have at least the same overall performance as what I have
- Be able to hook up to a great monitor
- Have a warranty.

The latter sounds nuts, but, nuts is how I roll. One reason to use Apples today is to have ProCare and be able to get that machine back really really quick.

gwsat has basically the same machine as I did, is running VM type stuff like I am, and other heavy apps like I am, and if he says its equivalent, I would guess he would know huh? (Hey neighbor!)

G.

rockyroad55
Nov 10, 2010, 12:54 AM
I'm currently typing this in a dark room in my dorms and I love the fact that I still have a backlit keyboard. This is one of my main concerns. Sure, I can touch type, but the convenience of having it is great.

And, yes, I might just go back to the store and ask again. No classes tomorrow!

Dammit Cubs
Nov 10, 2010, 01:03 AM
I'm a student and like to do the basic needs, such as Word, PPT, Excel, some games like Left for Dead 2, and a lot of web browsing and watching movies. I have no idea which to keep. I already have the 15" but keep thinking about the MBA!

I also like to think in the long run which will last me better and longer. I can't see myself do much more gaming since I have a PS3 and my current apps will stay the same, which means no video or pic editing and no dual boots.

two different computer for two different things. i think if you will be find with the MBA and its more portable.

rockyroad55
Nov 10, 2010, 12:09 PM
I would go to any Apple store, talk to the manager, and explain your situation nicely. For example, one time I had a 10% off coupon and bought Bose Headphones. I didn't like the headphones, so I returned them, and they weren't going to give me my 10% off coupon back. I asked to speak to the manager, explained the situation nicely, and I finally got the coupon back.

If you explain your situation nicely to a manager, they will waive the restocking fee. Personally, I ordered the 13-inch Air, 128GB SSD, 4GB RAM, and I couldn't be happier. I am a student too btw. I had a MBP, and I know it's not heavy when its carried for short periods of time, but when you have it in your backpack all day it does become annoying. That's why I opted for the MBA. Won't even feel it in my bag.

Called another store, spoke to a different person, says he could probably do it if I come in with it and explain my situation! Thanks for the great advice!

shootingrubber
Nov 10, 2010, 12:12 PM
Called another store, spoke to a different person, says he could probably do it if I come in with it and explain my situation! Thanks for the great advice!

No problem! Did you opt for the base 13-inch MBA?

feflower
Nov 10, 2010, 12:21 PM
MBA all the way. Here is why.


I think an undergrad doesn't need more that 150 GB of HD unless you are in video/audio studies.
How much HD space are you using right now on your current computer?
How much of that is needless songs you never listen to?



I'm a grad student, and I only using 80GB. I keep files from fieldwork on an external drive--because I never need to access them daily.

The only reason I don't switch from my MBP to a MBA is because I have the Apogee Duet, which needs Firewire.

cherry su
Nov 10, 2010, 12:31 PM
Both machines have the same resolution, but the 13.3" screen will look sharper because of a smaller screen.

rockyroad55
Nov 10, 2010, 02:59 PM
No problem! Did you opt for the base 13-inch MBA?

Maxed! Well I didn't go to the store yet. I'll be there in about half an hour. If I plan on keeping this for a few years, I want the max amount of specs possible

gwsat
Nov 11, 2010, 09:37 AM
The latter sounds nuts, but, nuts is how I roll. One reason to use Apples today is to have ProCare and be able to get that machine back really really quick.

gwsat has basically the same machine as I did, is running VM type stuff like I am, and other heavy apps like I am, and if he says its equivalent, I would guess he would know huh? (Hey neighbor!)
I have had Applecare coverage on both of my Macs and also have it on an iPad. The 13 inch MBA is my third Mac and I will get Applecare for it, too. Not only are you covered if anything fails during the three year warranty period, I have found the telephone support to be worth its weight in gold, too.

Despite the rather significant demands I have made of it, the little 13 inch MBA has been up to the task so far. I routinely keep Windows 7 and Quicken for Windows running in VMware Fusion's Unity mode 24/7, along with, on the OS X side, Mail, iCal, Address Book, and Chrome. I also frequently use Wordperfect and Garmin Training Center for Garmin GPS sports watches, which are also Windows apps, plus Excel and iTunes on the OS X side. Amazingly, I have seen few beachballs and both the Windows apps and the OS X apps have been stable and run reasonably fast. If my experience from two weeks of use is any guide, the maxed out 13 inch MBA can handle it.

I am now satisfied that the secret of the MBA's being able to handle running Windows in Fusion's Unity mode with only 4GB of RAM is its fast flash storage. Despite a significant number of page outs when Fusion and Windows are running, I have noticed no loss of stability or any slowing of operations.

loslosbaby
Nov 11, 2010, 10:11 AM
Got a MBA 13 Ultimate yesterday plus the ACD27.

I'm coming from a pre-unibody MBP17 2.5/4/320.

All I can say is "Wow", this thing FEELS really really fast. I'm going to do my development work on it for a couple days and report back, but, overall, its unusually responsive.

The only thing that has made it make a sound was indexing the drive after I migrated over my data...and it went up, and up, and uppppp, like a little jet engine!

G.

talmy
Nov 11, 2010, 11:01 AM
I just dont know how good it will be with video editing, exporting/importing HD video, and multitasking while those things happen.

I've got an aluminum MacBook and an i7 iMac. I do 2-4 hours of video processing per week with iMovie. I wouldn't want anything slower than the MacBook, which is 2.4GHz and 4GB RAM. Also consider the size of the hard drive when doing video processing. The more the better, but faster SSD speeds won't help.

You would definitely be happier with the MacBook Pro.

rockyroad55
Nov 12, 2010, 01:26 AM
Woww. Ugh. Went to apple yesterday and spoke with manager. Restocking fee applies!!!!

$180 was the fee and I just didn't think it was worth it. For $180, I could upgrade my ram to 8GB from crucial or save money on an SSD or buy something nice for myself like clothing or something. OR white iphone backplate!

I don't know. I'm still on the fence between both even with the fee. :(