Did you get the feeling that Steve Jobs hates the Mac mini?

[lem0nayde]

I thought it was funny watching the keynote last night, it seemed to me that Jobs couldn't give a lesser ****** about the Mac mini. I was surprised that he didn't chuck it off to the side when he was done talking about it.

I got the sense that he had total disdain for the idea of a low-end and inexpensive Mac and would rather keep Apple products geared towards the upper middle class and above. I've never seen him introduce something with so little fanfare. Especially since the machine could have a huge impact on Apple's marketshare.

Then again, maybe he was just bummed that the secret was spilled pre-show. That's the only problem with rumors, they are fun while they're are happening...but then it's kind of like seeing your presents before Christmas morning. Oh well, that won't stop me from reading them! :)

[maya]

Well I believe the Mac mini and iPod Shuffle are two products that go against his previous statements including the iMac G5.


Yes, I did get that feeling that he didn't like both and to a point the iMac G5 products. :)

[Dont Hurt Me]

Look at some history, Jobs said no more crts next thing you know is the Emac is introduced just as he said not interested in this bottom segment of the market and the next thing is a cheap Mac minus a few things. But if you cant make new machines based on new cpu's then why not new cheap ones based on older cpu's. They are still using the videochips to seperate the lines. This shows how moto/IBM have hit the wall. My 2 year old upgrade in my 4 year old quicksilver is still current maybe even better :)

[SpaceMagic]

Yes, he once said along the lines of, "those little flash players everyone gets for xmas but throws in a drawer" and now he's brought one out himself! Also he once said about horizontally placing a CD drive making performance drop .. then he brought out the iMac G5. I'm not sure when he's cheeked little low end PCs... but im sure he has.

Anyway... i'm going to go the Apple Regent Street London next month (my first visit) and buy a Mac Mini :p

[TranceClubMusic]

Look at some history, Jobs said no more crts next thing you know is the Emac is introduced just as he said not interested in this bottom segment of the market and the next thing is a cheap Mac minus a few things. But if you cant make new machines based on new cpu's then why not new cheap ones based on older cpu's. They are still using the videochips to seperate the lines. This shows how moto/IBM have hit the wall. My 2 year old upgrade in my 4 year old quicksilver is still current maybe even better :)

Absolutly true! Hit a wall indeed! Sad to make a new computer with such old technology. Why even bother - but on the other hand I really hope this is something BIG for Apple (like the ipod) and more users will upgrade to Power Macs. :D

[lem0nayde]

I think that little machine is the most exciting thing to come out of Apple since the Powermac G5. Now my family can afford a Mac, and I can get one to replace my boyfriend's ancient Blue and White G3. It's so perfect for folks that just surf the internet and write emails. It's a Mac for the rest of us (well, except me - I have to have my Dual 2gig G5.) :p

[BornAgainMac]

Perhaps he was expecting a better crowd reaction. The rumor seemed to kill it. I also agree that he didn't spend a lot of time with it or show those comparisions that he likes to show comparing it to PCs in price and features.
I expect it to run faster than today's $500 dollar PC. Perhaps he does hate it. Afraid it will hurt the Apple brand for premium prices.

[maya]

Perhaps he was expecting a better crowd reaction. The rumor seemed to kill it. I also agree that he didn't spend a lot of time with it or show those comparisions that he likes to show comparing it to PCs in price and features.
I expect it to run faster than today's $500 dollar PC. Perhaps he does hate it. Afraid it will hurt the Apple brand for premium prices.


Time issues with the Keynote, that is all too much to cover in a short time. :)

Jobs just starts sounding like a hypocrite when he states one thing and then he releases something he bashes. It seems he keeps slapping himself in the face.

[Diatribe]

Time issues with the Keynote, that is all too much to cover in a short time. :)

Jobs just starts sounding like a hypocrite when he states one thing and then he releases something he bashes. It seems he keeps slapping himself in the face.

No, he's just marketing. You say exactly what makes people buy your product at the needed time. Back then Apple didn't have a flash player now they do...

[maya]

No, he's just marketing. You say exactly what makes people buy your product at the needed time. Back then Apple didn't have a flash player now they do...

Sure what next Mac OS X on x86. :rolleyes:


He should really watch what he says, marketing can work both ways however it doesn't do any good for your credibility. :)

[jaw04005]

I was shocked too at how little time he speant on it. It was more of a product that people have been demanding, and finally Apple decided to give it to them. It wasn't Steve's "creation" like the iMac.

Keep in mind, Jobs didn't originally like the iPod... but since its now a huge seller... he appreciates it more.

However, I believe its going to be a huge seller. I bought one, and there seems to be a lot of press and fan fare over the product.

I personally feel like the Mac mini should have been the "one more thing.." instead of the Shuffle.

[Blackheart]

I didn't really notice any disdain for the Mac Mini, however, was I the only person who felt there was some sort of awkwardness during the speech by the Sony Pres?

[logicat2001]

I think you folks should consider what this little box can accomplish.

I'm a technology professional that does consulting, db development, media production on a 1.25 G4 PB. This laptop cost me $1,999 refurbished only last year. The Mac mini has almost identical specs as my laptop. With the biggest difference being the video card.

So, for someone who doesn't need all the ports that are available on a PB, they can get a comparable machine for $499. That's insanely great. I'm considering a second machine for home use to run headless just for rendering media projects and encoding DVD assets.

I'm also getting one to have a supremely portable Mac OS X system to leave with prospective clients who are considering the platform switch. I can bring it over in a tiny bag, and they can try it out at home for two weeks before deciding.

Lastly, I've got clients who have wanted in-house Unix servers, but were worried that they'd never be able to administer or troubleshoot the box after I left. This box is the solution and they can work with an OS that they're already intimately familiar with.

I'm very excited.

Best,
Logicat

[V.A.Toss]

As much as i like Mr Jobs, and as glad i am that he is in charge of apple, i do think he is a bit of a middle-class neo-hippy snob. A man who dresses like hes casual and easy going, but is actually quite a shrewd, curt, and aggressive business person. Who isnt afraid to kill off rivals.

He makes computers for the middle class, you can see it by the software which is brought out, all the iapps are quite typically middle-class creative leisure apps. They're for a group of people who have enough money for a variety of high-end peripherals, and want to create videos of "the kids" or some self indulgent music, or a family newsletter. Theyre what i would call creative-leisure apps.
Really most of them are gonna be just messed about with, but by actually creating something, the user feels more sophisticated than, say, the average online-gamer.... even though the outcome is normally an abomination of colour and visuals that would have made Van Gogh drop the knife and just stick his face under a lawnmower.

It doesnt take a great leap of the imagination to work out that all the iapps are aimed at young professionals, or families with 2 working parents.

Anyway, yeah i dont think he likes the mini mac. Especially when i heard him say "now there is no excuse for not buying a mac", pretty aggressive statement considering its aimed at people who genuinely cannot afford an imac. Due to no fault of their own.

I dont think he likes the emac or mini-mac or that flash-shuffle-stickpod-thing.
Im buying a mini-mac, its a simply a perfect product for me. Steve, thankyou.

[Diatribe]

Sure what next Mac OS X on x86. :rolleyes:


He should really watch what he says, marketing can work both ways however it doesn't do any good for your credibility. :)

I totally agree with you, forced marketing is never good if you plan on producing the things you said to be bad...
As other people have said though, Stevie didn't like the box that much but saw it as a necessity or else it wouldn't have been produced at all. If there's a need to produce a certain product in order to manifest your market position you need to overthrow previous arguments... It's a small loss for what you gain.
Building a flash player is just another thing to stay on top of everyone else and to keep iTMS no.1
It's the bigger scheme that counts not whether you lose a bit of credibility (that will be forgotten fast by most of the people, it's just the way it is).

[Rootman]

Maybe the little thing is really HEAVY.

It was weird that he didn't like it, and how much he was in love with the stupid "themes" of Pages, iDVD, etc.

[maya]

I totally agree with you, forced marketing is never good if you plan on producing the things you said to be bad...
As other people have said though, Stevie didn't like the box that much but saw it as a necessity or else it wouldn't have been produced at all. If there's a need to produce a certain product in order to manifest your market position you need to overthrow previous arguments... It's a small loss for what you gain.
Building a flash player is just another thing to stay on top of everyone else and to keep iTMS no.1
It's the bigger scheme that counts not whether you lose a bit of credibility (that will be forgotten fast by most of the people, it's just the way it is).

Agreed, no point carrying this any further. Since one day Jobs will state he doesn't care about market share when he actually does.

Well this is good news since Jobs also hates Blu-Ray and HD-DVD burners in Mac's enabled so this means it WILL be available after all. :)

And he did state that Apple and SONY are going to work closer together down the road,hmm is Apple going to adopt Blu-Ray and not HD-DVD or is this another DVD RAM and DVD-R/RW to then admitting to DVD±R/RW issue. :)

[maya]

Maybe the little thing is really HEAVY.

It was weird that he didn't like it, and how much he was in love with the stupid "themes" of Pages, iDVD, etc.

Get it straight, this thing is LIGHT. :)


Jobs cares about music and that is his passion. Remember he is a hippie. ;) :) Music before Movies. :)

That is why the love for iPod, you will not see a portable movie player yet. :)

[Diatribe]

...
Well this is good news since Jobs also hates Blu-Ray and HD-DVD burners in Mac's enabled so this means it WILL be available after all. :)

And he did state that Apple and SONY are going to work closer together down the road,hmm is Apple going to adopt Blu-Ray and not HD-DVD or is this another DVD RAM and DVD-R/RW to then admitting to DVD±R/RW issue. :)

He did mention in the keynote that they are eagerly awaiting Blu-Ray burners to put them into macs... I hope that Sony can produce those fast, so they're ready for the G5 PBs this year ;)

[maya]

He did mention in the keynote that they are eagerly awaiting Blu-Ray burners to put them into macs... I hope that Sony can produce those fast, so they're ready for the G5 PBs this year ;)


Sorry missed that part, too much load on the network. :(


ROTF, I hope this is not another DVD-RAM then convert to DVD-R/RW issue. :)

or in this case Blu-Ray and then convert to HD-DVD :)

[redAPPLE]

this might not be the right thread, but one poster stated using the Mac mini for rendering and using it as a headless machine...

1) would this computer be good enough for rendering?

2) maybe i am just too tired to think, how could this machine be used, headless? with remote desktop?

[maya]

I didn't really notice any disdain for the Mac Mini, however, was I the only person who felt there was some sort of awkwardness during the speech by the Sony Pres?


The guy did make a good attempt in speaking in english, he didn't use a translator. Give him that much, he was excited due to Steve's RDF and it also was a last minute invite. :)

[lem0nayde]

I couldn't agree with you more on all points (and that Van Gogh comment was hilarious.)

I don't like Steve Jobs, when he first came back to Apple he lent a certain excitement to a dying brand and he is no doubt a great leader for a business. But, as with most high-level business people I've met, there is an obvious falsity and ugliness when it comes to personality. His Keynotes don't excite me anymore, they are scripted down to the last word and he is way too easily flustered (did anyone else see the rage boiling beneath the surface when OS X kept asking him if he wanted to open the applications? I hate that feature, by the way.) When it comes down to it, it's just about money for him - it's the creatives at Apple that are the genius and magic behind the operation. He is just a great ringleader/slave driver.

As an artist/designer I shudder at the Martha Stewartesque themes included with the iApps. They are so indicative of upper-middle-class faux elite tastes. I would like to see some more funky stuff in there, more playful and colorful. Enough with the bent, shadowed Polaroids and whispy quasi-cross cultural ambience.

I'm not knocking the iApps themselves though - they are really wonderful for everyday people to use. I'd just like to see a little more branching out in the theme offerings. Maybe i should learn how to make and sell them. :)





As much as i like Mr Jobs, and as glad i am that he is in charge of apple, i do think he is a bit of a middle-class neo-hippy snob. A man who dresses like hes casual and easy going, but is actually quite a shrewd, curt, and aggressive business person. Who isnt afraid to kill off rivals.

He makes computers for the middle class, you can see it by the software which is brought out, all the iapps are quite typically middle-class creative leisure apps. They're for a group of people who have enough money for a variety of high-end peripherals, and want to create videos of "the kids" or some self indulgent music, or a family newsletter. Theyre what i would call creative-leisure apps.
Really most of them are gonna be just messed about with, but by actually creating something, the user feels more sophisticated than, say, the average online-gamer.... even though the outcome is normally an abomination of colour and visuals that would have made Van Gogh drop the knife and just stick his face under a lawnmower.

It doesnt take a great leap of the imagination to work out that all the iapps are aimed at young professionals, or families with 2 working parents.

Anyway, yeah i dont think he likes the mini mac. Especially when i heard him say "now there is no excuse for not buying a mac", pretty aggressive statement considering its aimed at people who genuinely cannot afford an imac. Due to no fault of their own.

I dont think he likes the emac or mini-mac or that flash-shuffle-stickpod-thing.
Im buying a mini-mac, its a simply a perfect product for me. Steve, thankyou.

[logicat2001]

1) would this computer be good enough for rendering?
"Good enough" is very subjective. All I can say to you, is that I'd rather offload my renders to a $500 machine than let it completely drain the CPU of my laptop. Whether or not it's worth spending $500-700 for a tiny machine to render depends entirely on your budget and specific needs.

2) maybe i am just too tired to think, how could this machine be used, headless? with remote desktop?Sure; Remote Desktop would work. So would VNC (http://vnc.com/what.html). As a Unix server, I can simply ssh into the machine to work.

Best,
Logicat

[redAPPLE]

this might not be the right thread, but one poster stated using the Mac mini for rendering and using it as a headless machine...

1) would this computer be good enough for rendering?

2) maybe i am just too tired to think, how could this machine be used, headless? with remote desktop?

[maya]

this might not be the right thread, but one poster stated using the Mac mini for rendering and using it as a headless machine...

1) would this computer be good enough for rendering?

2) maybe i am just too tired to think, how could this machine be used, headless? with remote desktop?


Yes, to both questions. :)

Start a Home Render Farm. :)

[jaw04005]

I'm not exactly sure what "rendering" is. If Apple built rendering support into iMovie, iDVD, and Final Cut Express... would that mean that all Macs connected on my network would be available to render effects and clips on the same project? I would assume that would drammatically increase the time it takes to complete a video or dvd project?

[Macmaniac]

I don't think he hates it, he can't really spend a lot of time on the mini mac, what is there to explain. And thats where the monitor cable goes, and thats where the USB cable goes....
Its not something that you can spend a lot of time talking about.
A Mac is a Mac.

[maya]

I'm not exactly sure what "rendering" is. If Apple built rendering support into iMovie, iDVD, and Final Cut Express... would that mean that all Macs connected on my network would be available to render effects and clips on the same project? I would assume that would drammatically increase the time it takes to complete a video or dvd project?

Think of a "render farm" as having many processors working together. They have dual G5's think of this as a multiple G4 box.

Rendering is the process that it takes a digital content frame, effect, Sfx, etc..created in a 3D application, Video application or audio application.

At present text rendering is easily handled on the fly. Think of rendering as to the final product of all the composted clips, frames, images, Sfx, audio in ONE FINAL Product. :)

[jaw04005]

Oh. He could have shown a video on how Johnathan Ive designed it, and how small the logic board is, etc. He could have given it to some celebrity and asked them "how its going to change there lives." Like always. He could have speant more time on it, if he wanted too.

He will like it soon enough.

[logicat2001]

I'm not exactly sure what "rendering" is. If Apple built rendering support into iMovie, iDVD, and Final Cut Express... would that mean that all Macs connected on my network would be available to render effects and clips on the same project? I would assume that would drammatically increase the time it takes to complete a video or dvd project?

I used "rendering" in an entirely abstract way, to refer to any non-realtime process encountered in a media production pipeline. I personally am simply interested in offloading these time-consuming, and CPU-sapping processes off my laptop and on to another CPU.

However, there are some applications that support distributed rendering. In those cases (and with the requirements being met, e.g. G5 processor, or a particular network speed, or whatever), the amount of time to complete these time-consuming tasks is reduced because there are more CPU's simultaneously number-crunching.

Best,
Logicat

[jaw04005]

Think of a "render farm" as having many processors working together. They have dual G5's think of this as a multiple G4 box.

Rendering is the process that it takes a digital content frame, effect, Sfx, etc..created in a 3D application, Video application or audio application.

At present text rendering is easily handled on the fly. Think of rendering as to the final product of all the composted clips, frames, images, Sfx, audio in ONE FINAL Product. :)

So it wouldn't be useful in the iLife applications? It takes me hours to render an iDVD project, maybe that is just because my computer is slow(er) [800Mhz G4 iMac].

[logicat2001]

So it wouldn't be useful in the iLife applications? It takes me hours to render an iDVD project, maybe that is just because my computer is slow(er) [800Mhz G4 iMac].

This is one perfect example. Even though it's not a rendering farm (i.e. distributed rendering across many CPUs), it'll still spare you from locking up your main machine for hours.

You don't even need a monitor attached to run that Mac mini; you can use Apple Remote Desktop or VNC instead.

Best,
Logicat

[Blackheart]

The guy did make a good attempt in speaking in english, he didn't use a translator. Give him that much, he was excited due to Steve's RDF and it also was a last minute invite. :)

I'm not meaning to insult his english, it just seemed to me that halfway through his speech SJ got up and was kind of hesitant about something. Like he was helping the guy off stage (because of stumbling thought or speech), time was running out, or something like that. I dunno...

[Jigglelicious]

I don't think he hates it, he can't really spend a lot of time on the mini mac, what is there to explain. And thats where the monitor cable goes, and thats where the USB cable goes....
Its not something that you can spend a lot of time talking about.
A Mac is a Mac.

Nah, I don't buy that. Steve spent more time demoing the Dashboard widgets than he did with the Mac mini! He spent like 1/3 of the keynote showing off Tiger features that we've all already seen - TWICE. Yet he spent a paltry 5 minutes with the Mac mini. Maybe saying that he hates it would be too strong a word. But there is still something up...

[absolut_mac]

Actually, I think that Steve realized that Nick had already done both the introduction and PR for him, so there was no need for him to waste too much time on it ;)

[panphage]

I didn't think you'd even need Remote Desktop or VNC for distributed rendering. I thought the softs that allowed it just browsed the network for available cpus like xcode does? I guess you'd have to set the rendering machines up initially though.

[Sun Baked]

Well I believe the Mac mini and iPod Shuffle are two products that go against his previous statements including the iMac G5.


Yes, I did get that feeling that he didn't like both and to a point the iMac G5 products. :)Yes they are definitely two products that have gone against years of low end disdain.

The old Apple would have gone in with a 1-2GB iPod Shuffle (149/199) and gone after the top end of the flash market.

The $99 512MB iPod Shuffle and the $499 Mac Mini is Apple's first foray into value priced products in a long time.

Though they are two machines aimed at stopping the market share slide.

[JeffTL]

I agree that Steve needs to quit bashing product categories if there's any realistic chance that Apple will enter that market. While perhaps useful for short-term marketing, such statements risk a backfire -- they embed ideas in people's heads about, for example, the relative uselessnesss and poor value of most flash-based digital audio players.

Jobs is one of the best nonpolitical speakers out there right now -- though he's been using manuscripts that are probably a spot too detailed (I for one think he could get by with an outline and a couple rehearsals, and have a better overall presentation).

I do suspect that he sometimes lets his personal opinions get a bit too far in the way of business -- which is why the Mac Mini has taken so long to come about. It's an obvious idea for an obvious market segment; it's basically an iBook with the most expensive parts (LCD, battery, trackpad, keyboard) removed. I probably won't be getting one at least until my Dell drops dead in a couple years (if it does), but I like the idea. He's come a long way since the early eighties or even since NeXT, but Steve Jobs is still the same man who was the "villain" in several sections of Michael Moritz's The Little Kingdom -- a visionary of the very caliber needed at a company like Apple, even if he isn't the most fun person in the world for whom to work. And hey, he seems to know Warren Buffett's two rules of business (#1: Don't lose money. #2: Don't forget rule number one)

[maya]

So it wouldn't be useful in the iLife applications? It takes me hours to render an iDVD project, maybe that is just because my computer is slow(er) [800Mhz G4 iMac].

You don't really have a slow computer.

rendering will bring down any system, its the nature of rendering.

Though you get the point that you can render iDVD projects on the Mac Mini and still work on your main system without any drawbacks. :)

[maya]

I'm not meaning to insult his english, it just seemed to me that halfway through his speech SJ got up and was kind of hesitant about something. Like he was helping the guy off stage (because of stumbling thought or speech), time was running out, or something like that. I dunno...


Time reasons that is all. :)


It would be funny to see Steve give a small speech at a SONY Expo or something of that sort. :)

[Mord]

Sure what next Mac OS X on x86. :rolleyes:


He should really watch what he says, marketing can work both ways however it doesn't do any good for your credibility. :)

sony selling macs and ipods ;)?

[maya]

Yes they are definitely two products that have gone against years of low end disdain.

The old Apple would have gone in with a 1-2GB iPod Shuffle (149/199) and gone after the top end of the flash market.

The $99 512MB iPod Shuffle and the $499 Mac Mini is Apple's first foray into value priced products in a long time.

Though they are two machines aimed at stopping the market share slide.

iPod Shuffle rev B, 1Gig and 2Gig models now at 99 and 149 USD. :)

When is the question? :)

[maya]

sony selling macs and ipods ;)?


Thats it, the World has ended. :D

[abhishekit]

If Jobs hated it, it wouldn't have seen the light...

Anyways its a really good product. Perfect for causal users who are looking for upgrade.
Having said that, I am not really sure if this is really going to push the market share. Because in general, people are quite baffled about how it works. I was watching CNN yesterday, and the news correspondent (which I take as an intelligent person may be not so much into computers) was totally clueless about how the mac mini works. The person at the conference told him that you have to connect your own monitor, keyboard and mouse. He still could not figure out and asked "how do you connect that?"
And I am sure that will be the question for many average windows users. And with the kind of marketing (read none) Apple does, ironically mainly mac users or techies would buy the mac mini, as a second or third computer.
May be only my opinion though...

[psycho bob]

There really do seem to be two types of Jobs keynote speeches, the ones where he is really enthused (G5 Powermac, Aluminium Powerbooks, Tiger (last year)) and then we have the ones like yesterday where it seems to be a mixed bag even though nearly all those products are key to apples expansion. I can understand him being more interested in software, afterall he (like Bill G) isn't really a hardware man, a computer is just something that can bring his ideas to life.
The key people at apple are the designers, I would even go as far as saying that without Johnny Ive and his team apple would probably have sunk a good few years back. The original iMac might have been Steve's baby but the design genius behind was a Brit (sorry had to get that in :p ). Apple sell to new customers primarily on looks and the now world wide appeal of the iPod.
iWork is a key apple product but you do get the feeling they are between a rock and a hard place; if they make it a complete office sweet they will go directly against M$ but will in most cases win on price but I don't feel apple want to rock the boat, having Bill on board is important at least to the corporate masses out there. So right now it is rather incomplete, you feel people will buy it for one product (Pages or Keynote) and will consider the other as a freebie, it would appear to have basically been done to get rid of Appleworks so why aren't they shipping it with the new mini mac? It would be a killer buy if you got a mac and a modern word processor which is compatible with M$ Word included for free.
As for specifically Steve's keynote yeaterday, maybe the strain of not being able to have the hardware he really wants because of CPU problems is just taking the shine off all computer announcements. Lets face it if apple had had a good consistent supply of new processors they would be way out in front as far as the complete package goes. Best OS, best software, and the fastest most reliable hardware. Sadly right now they are Kangarooing all over the place having to limit new products so they don't tread on the toes of more expensive ones.
I don't think the 10.4 lockup helped either even though he did joke it off.

[logicat2001]

I didn't think you'd even need Remote Desktop or VNC for distributed rendering

Correct. However, I'd use ARD or VNC so I can use the apps that don't have a client for distributed rendering. This would allow me to utilize the Mac mini without buying a second monitor, mouse or keyboard, or being stuck keeping it on my desk hooked up to a KVM.

Best,
Logicat

[dejo]

(did anyone else see the rage boiling beneath the surface when OS X kept asking him if he wanted to open the applications? I hate that feature, by the way.)

Really? I didn't even notice that. In fact, I've never been asked by my OSX if I want to open an application. Is that a feature?

[logicat2001]

Really? I didn't even notice that. In fact, I've never been asked by my OSX if I want to open an application. Is that a feature?

I believe it's now the default behavior for a brand new installation of OS X: the very first time that an application is ever run for a given user account, that user is prompted to allow it or not. If you answer 'yes', you shouldn't be prompted again for the same document type + application.

For example, you could double-click what looks like a Photoshop document, and instead launch the virus payload application that you've unwittingly downloaded, which is executed with your full user rights.

This dialog box should foil a trojan horse by intercepting the action. The OS would actually stop the payload's execution and confirm that you really want this new application to run for the very first time.

Best,
Logicat

[lem0nayde]

This dialog box should foil a trojan horse by intercepting the action. The OS would actually stop the payload's execution and confirm that you really want this new application to run for the very first time.

It's a good concept for safety - unfortunately, on my machine, it asks randomly, whenever it wants, even if I have opened the program every day for the past year. Needs some work.

[Dr. Dastardly]

Has anyone noticed that Steve is always seems more excited at WWDC then MWSF? I think its because Steve is a power user, plain and simple. Do you really think he is going to use a Mac mini is his house? Come on. The low end line is not his bag. I actually think that they should have Phil Schiller do MWSF and base that on more of the lowend/consumer side and Jobs do WWDC and focus on the power line and Xserves. Of course I dont have to tell you that that will never ever happen. :rolleyes:

The only consumer product that Steve gets excited about is the iMac and thats only because that was his baby.

[Kiwi-Todd]

Correct. However, I'd use ARD or VNC so I can use the apps that don't have a client for distributed rendering. This would allow me to utilize the Mac mini without buying a second monitor, mouse or keyboard, or being stuck keeping it on my desk hooked up to a KVM.

Best,
Logicat

Logitech, all this talk of having a render box excites me greatly - from your posts its sounds like I have the similar issues as you - I hit terrible bottlenecks in my workflow when encoding DVDs or rendering FCP projects. Ideally I would like to get a DP powermac but I enjoy eating!

I instantly thought of a mini mac as a render unit but it seemed messy to me - Take DVD SP for example - would I require a second copy of compressor on the mini to encode on? - do I have to duplicate the video assets to the mini or could I just link it over a network?

So I have some questions for you if you would be kind enough to explain -

Would the networked mini be able to see/use a FW drive hooked into my PB?

Is apple remote desktop separate program or is it integral to Panther? - I've never needed to look until now...

What are these SSH, ARD, VNC commands/apps?

If you could provide a brief overview of your proposed workflow I would be really appreciative - as this would improve my workflow (and cashflow!) greatly!

Cheers - Kiwi-Todd

[ravenvii]

I believe it's now the default behavior for a brand new installation of OS X: the very first time that an application is ever run for a given user account, that user is prompted to allow it or not. If you answer 'yes', you shouldn't be prompted again for the same document type + application.

For example, you could double-click what looks like a Photoshop document, and instead launch the virus payload application that you've unwittingly downloaded, which is executed with your full user rights.

This dialog box should foil a trojan horse by intercepting the action. The OS would actually stop the payload's execution and confirm that you really want this new application to run for the very first time.

Best,
Logicat

I've never seen this behavior before either. Is it only for brand-new installations of OS X 3,7? If I have 3.0, and install a combined update to 3.7, this behavior won't show itself?

Say, how do I enable this behavior? I'm curious! :)