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MacBytes
Jan 13, 2005, 10:42 AM
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suntzu
Jan 13, 2005, 12:06 PM
I think the group's statistics fail to account for the previous buying activity of the past, the state of the economy now, and the computer inprovement trends.

The reason for the large amount of dumped PCs, I think, is that those PCs are the very old ones (486 running Win 95) that many households replaced when more modern system came out. Also, those "budget" PCs were probably sent to the wasteland too.

With the state of the economy, I think more people are hesistant when it comes to buying a new system. I remember when I used to buy a new major computer component every 3-6 months. Now I wait a year or more till I'm comfortable buying.

Also, isn't the trend slowing down in terms of new technologies being offered? Just look at Intel and their road block. It looks like their stalling around 3.4~6 GHz speeds. They're focusing more and more on refining their current processors to have more features than simply increasing the GHz speed.

For most people that 2.5 GHz they bought a while back still works VERY well for what they want. The only reason I see them dumping it for a new computer would be that if it's so congested with viruses and adware that the repair costs are higher than a new PC (remember most people don't have the technical skill to clean a PC).

So to compare Apple to those other PC companies is wrong. It would be interesting to see how many of those computers dumped daily are Macs. I bet some day there's not even a single Mac being dumped.

nagromme
Jan 13, 2005, 12:46 PM
Order a Dell and you can click a button to recycle your old computer, free, right there on the store page.

These products are toxic, and going to waste, and they don't have to be. Apple does SOME things on this, but they really SHOULD do more. If this is a nudge to make Apple act, then good.

I agree that Apple's not the ONLY worthy target. But this is their turn to feel the pressure. I hope it has some effect.

mkubal
Jan 13, 2005, 01:46 PM
I'd like to point out that throwing things in a landfill doesn't mean that it's getting into the groundwater. In fact this stuff leaching into the groundwater would be an exception. Landfills are built with liners that keep stuff from leaking into soil and groundwater. Anything that breaks down into a liquid form is siphoned off at the bottom of the landfill and treated. Things do not leak out of a modern landfill. And if it does, it shows up in the groundwater testing.

This isn't the way it used to be. In Florida, people used to just throw their trash in any depression they could find and then build on top of it once it was filled.

That being said, it would be nice if Apple provided a recycling program. I don't think I've ever thrown away a computer. They've all been Apple computers so I either still have them or have given them away. The protesting however is a bit over the top. If you took all of the iPods sold and threw them in a landfill it would be like a drop in the bucket. Seriously.

Matt

avus
Jan 13, 2005, 02:15 PM
That being said, it would be nice if Apple provided a recycling program.

In Japan, they do.

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=/language_tools&u=http://www.apple.com/jp/recycle/

It is a law now that all consumer products have to be recycled there.

I am afraid that everyone here in the US will accuse me of "being a communist," but I think that it is the government's responsibility to act on this. Do I expect this to happen here under this administration? No.

hob
Jan 13, 2005, 02:34 PM
In Japan, they do.

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=/language_tools&u=http://www.apple.com/jp/recycle/

It is a law now that all consumer products have to be recycled there.

I am afraid that everyone here in the US will accuse me of "being a communist," but I think that it is the government's responsibility to act on this. Do I expect this to happen here under this administration? No.

I think that's great. I may also get slammed for saying this but there are a number of things that often surprise me about america and how strangely backwards some of it sometimes is! In both locations I live in the UK - south-east london and the east midlands - Recyclable rubbish is collected with the rest of the trash. Some may say this is an expensive waste of time, but I think environmental change will come about with little things like this. Apple offering a FREE recycling program WORLDWIDE would be EXCELLENT karma!! I think they can afford is - given their recent profits!

Hob

yamabushi
Jan 13, 2005, 03:27 PM
I think Apple could go a step further and use this as a marketing opportunity. They could offer $50 off the purchase of any new Mac if any old Mac is mailed in for a company organized reuse and recycle program. One old Mac per new Mac would be a reasonable limitation. This would create a demand for the old ones and assist in proper disposal for them in a similar fashion as five and ten cent returnable cans and bottles in the U.S. Of course they should also accept all Apple products for disposal without a purchase free of charge. As an added benefit to Apple this would encourage some stubborn holdouts to upgrade their older models.

nagromme
Jan 13, 2005, 03:45 PM
Yes, America is ahead in some areas, but behind in so many others.

We do have limited curbside recycling in some urban areas, though. Not to the extent it should be, and residents hate it, though. Seems that most people would rather through something in the trash and not expend any thought... and generate all the extra pollution to mine or drill for new material instead.