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jclardy
Nov 22, 2010, 01:11 PM
Ok so my Apple TV has the 4.1 update and I just updated my iPhone 4 to 4.2.

On my iPhone 4 in the Photos app I can see the airplay icon for photos but when I get to a video it disappears. Can it not play videos recorded on the iPhone 4?

Honestly this was one of the main reasons that I was excited about airplay, I could shoot some video somewhere then without using a computer or sync cable view it wirelessly on my TV, but for whatever reason it is not implemented.

Looks like its going to have to wait till 4.3 :rolleyes:



newtoiphonesdk
Nov 22, 2010, 01:15 PM
I asked the same question at discussions.apple.com and it looks like this is not supported. I'm with you though, it was one of the big things I was excited about. Honestly, who cares if you can stream stuff from your videos on the iPhone that was synced from iTunes. Those videos are already accessible on Apple TV because it can play anything in iTunes via Home Sharing. What a stupid choice to not stream videos recorded with an iPhone. Maybe a jb app for the iPhone will come out that will let you stream anything.

phpmaven
Nov 22, 2010, 01:23 PM
Ok so my Apple TV has the 4.1 update and I just updated my iPhone 4 to 4.2.

On my iPhone 4 in the Photos app I can see the airplay icon for photos but when I get to a video it disappears. Can it not play videos recorded on the iPhone 4?

Honestly this was one of the main reasons that I was excited about airplay, I could shoot some video somewhere then without using a computer or sync cable view it wirelessly on my TV, but for whatever reason it is not implemented.

Looks like its going to have to wait till 4.3 :rolleyes:

If this is true and there is no way to play videos from your camera roll, I'm seriously disappointed as this was the main thing I was excited about when I bought the ATV2. I sure hope I'm just missing something and there is a workaround.

I'm completely baffled as to why this would be missing. I'm sure that the vast majority were like me the second they found out about airplay "cool, I can shoot a video and play it immediately over the air". I can't for the life of me figure out why they would not support it.

jaw04005
Nov 22, 2010, 01:29 PM
That's a huge oversight.

ptaylor9
Nov 22, 2010, 01:29 PM
If this is true and there is no way to play videos from your camera roll, I'm seriously disappointed as this was the main thing I was excited about when I bought the ATV2. I sure hope I'm just missing something and there is a workaround.

I'm completely baffled as to why this would be missing. I'm sure that the vast majority were like me the second they found out about airplay "cool, I can shoot a video and play it immediately over the air". I can't for the life of me figure out why they would not support it.

yep equally disappointed. Definitely not all it could have been..

newtoiphonesdk
Nov 22, 2010, 01:45 PM
I am on hold with Apple Techical support to ask about this issue now, to see if there is a workaround, or if it was intentionally left out. I will post updates later but wouldn't hold my breath. The technician actually asked me what airplay was, if it was an app I had downloaded from the AppStore.

UPDATE:
I had to tell him to just forget about it as apparently I know more about Apple products than he does. His big advice after putting me on hold, was to delete the AirPlay app from my iPhone, and try and redownload it and see if that made a difference.

canyonblue737
Nov 22, 2010, 01:52 PM
I just rewatched the Steve Jobs keynote introducing AirPlay and he didn't promise recorded iPhone 4 video to AppleTV via Airplay, I thought he had. Still I am, stunned, stunned this isn't there... it is why I bought 3 AppleTVs.

newtoiphonesdk
Nov 22, 2010, 01:58 PM
I just rewatched the Steve Jobs keynote introducing AirPlay and he promise recorded iPhone 4 video to AppleTV via Airplay, I thought he had. Still I am, stunned, stunned this isn't there... it is why I bought 3 AppleTVs.

Would you mind posting a link to that video, along with the time that he promises this?

joudbren
Nov 22, 2010, 02:05 PM
Well, I thought it was just me but I guess not. HUGE oversight on Apple's part if it cannot stream video's recorded from the phone. I've been playing with this thing for 10 minutes trying to figure out where the Airplay setting is for video. Sigh......

And Apple, the home porno implications alone are mind boggling for iphone video over airplay to the big screen tv! I can't believe you missed this opportunity... just kiddin'... :p
James

JeffLebowski41
Nov 22, 2010, 02:10 PM
someone posted on the iphone forum that if you play a video from the camera roll, then double click and slide over on the bottom panel, there's an airplay icon next to the volume slider. It's not working for me, but something seems to be seriously hosed with my update since its real hit or miss on anything working. Worth a try.

joudbren
Nov 22, 2010, 02:19 PM
someone posted on the iphone forum that if you play a video from the camera roll, then double click and slide over on the bottom panel, there's an airplay icon next to the volume slider. It's not working for me, but something seems to be seriously hosed with my update since its real hit or miss on anything working. Worth a try.

Yep, saw that as well after I posted previously. Gave it a try and it's not working for me either. I've entered the password I setup on the ATV2 and no go. It seems like it tries to connect and then gives up. Maybe I'll have to reboot everything and see but I'll have to try that later. Cheers!

James

houdinize
Nov 22, 2010, 02:37 PM
I can get the audio to play to speakers through an airport express but nothing to my AppleTV.

wasabe34
Nov 22, 2010, 02:38 PM
no video on airplay :(

this is completely useless to me.

newtoiphonesdk
Nov 22, 2010, 02:44 PM
Apple has released a video explaining airplay. It is posted on TUAW if you would like to watch. Anyways, it shows people using it for videos synced with itunes, photos and slideshows of photos, and music, but leaves out videos recorded with the iphone. Looking more and more like it was intended to be left out.

hatcheeks
Nov 22, 2010, 02:44 PM
i was so impressed when i started flicking through my photos from my iphone to my apple tv but then so bleedin disappointed when i got to a video and couldn't airplay it !!! pretty stupid really. i went to my videos in the ipod app and they worked perfect over airplay so why not the iphone 4 videos????

really annoying

osohardy
Nov 22, 2010, 03:07 PM
Oh my that is so incredibly lame. I mostly go to my Plex equipped Mini and basically carved Itunes video out of my life-- but was really looking forward to having my iPhone pics AND VIDEO streamable before they pass through iLife or onto my Mini. Uggh. Geezus that is lame.

slicecom
Nov 22, 2010, 03:13 PM
Time to return my AppleTV.

iggypod
Nov 22, 2010, 03:20 PM
Hmmph, huge oversight indeed. I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

arkoh
Nov 22, 2010, 03:24 PM
Eyyy ya bullocks!! I hoped it was just me having problems sorting this thing out!!! :-(

What in heavens name... It makes absolutely NO sense to me, to leave recorded and edited videos out of Airplay! Absolutely No ****in reason!!! This thing was actually the one thing I was looking most forward to, when I bought my ATV!... Shoot, edit and show on my 40" flatscreen!

Disapointed would be an grose understatement!

QuarterSwede
Nov 22, 2010, 03:30 PM
Who here has already emailed SJobs? *points finger while looking around* I know one of you has.

QuarterSwede
Nov 22, 2010, 03:32 PM
someone posted on the iphone forum that if you play a video from the camera roll, then double click and slide over on the bottom panel, there's an airplay icon next to the volume slider. It's not working for me, but something seems to be seriously hosed with my update since its real hit or miss on anything working. Worth a try.
I only have an Airport Express but from what I've found/heard that is the system wide AirPlay sound setting. You can even stream game audio (lags about 2 sec).

Henderikse
Nov 22, 2010, 03:48 PM
Apparently there is no way to stream Iphone4 videos to your appletv. I've found a somewhat silly workaround:
(Private) upload video to youtube and then stream video with IPhone/iPad from your youtube account to your Appletv.
It is unbelievable that there is no standard support for streaming this videos and thus a big mistake from Apple at this point.

newtoiphonesdk
Nov 22, 2010, 03:51 PM
Who here has already emailed SJobs? *points finger while looking around* I know one of you has.

I did. Surprise! No answer

pirateRACE
Nov 22, 2010, 03:51 PM
Wow. I coulda swore Steve said you would be able to do this.

Lets hope we are all just dumb and can't figure out how to do it. How about a work around? Could a third party app, hypothetically import video and allow for AirPlay?

newtoiphonesdk
Nov 22, 2010, 03:55 PM
Wow. I coulda swore Steve said you would be able to do this.

Lets hope we are all just dumb and can't figure out how to do it. How about a work around? Could a third party app, hypothetically import video and allow for AirPlay?

There are jb apps out now that let you mirror the entire screen to a tv using video cables. Theoretically they could update it to mirror the screen using airplay. At least i would think so

newagemac
Nov 22, 2010, 03:57 PM
This is very disappointing that they haven't enabled iPhone 4 videos yet. I was really looking forward to it. Oh well, iOS has evolved well over the years with updates so hopefully they will continue adding features. I like what they added to iOS in this update but I wanted more. So far using what Airplay actually works on, it is absolutely brilliant. They just need to expand it out to more applications. Maybe they're just doing it in stages to work out the initial bugs but it seems to be pretty bug free to me.

pirateRACE
Nov 22, 2010, 04:05 PM
There are jb apps out now that let you mirror the entire screen to a tv using video cables. Theoretically they could update it to mirror the screen using airplay. At least i would think so

Yeah, I'm not interested in jailbreaking.

I have to imagine that there are apps that can open and play videos from camera roll. It could then have it's own AirPlay functionality. I'd pay for an app that could fix this.

canyonblue737
Nov 22, 2010, 04:09 PM
Would you mind posting a link to that video, along with the time that he promises this?

I failed to type the word "didn't" in one sentence of my post. Unfortunately that changed the entire meaning. Steve did not promise iPhone recorded video would be able to be transferred via AirPlay.

arkoh
Nov 22, 2010, 04:27 PM
Wow. I coulda swore Steve said you would be able to do this.

Yeah... me too!! Actually so much I had to turn on my ATV and tune in to the keynote podcast of SJ introducing AppleTv and Airplay to figure out if it was just my wishfull thinkin, or SJ is screwing with us here... and actually... Jobs says: "... come home with a bunch of photos on your iPhone and watch a slideshow on your flatscreen"... he DIDN'T say recorded videos in any way!!

BULLOCKS!!!

SO disapointed!!! And for the life of me, I just cannot see the reason why not to include your own recorded and edited videos... just cannot!!

pirateRACE
Nov 22, 2010, 04:30 PM
Yeah... me too!! Actually so much I had to turn on my ATV and tune in to the keynote podcast of SJ introducing AppleTv and Airplay to figure out if it was just my wishfull thinkin, or SJ is screwing with us here... and actually... Jobs says: "... come home with a bunch of photos on your iPhone and watch a slideshow on your flatscreen"... he DIDN'T say recorded videos in any way!!

BULLOCKS!!!

SO disapointed!!! And for the life of me, I just cannot see the reason why not to include your own recorded and edited videos... just cannot!!

4.2 User guide even says you can't stream videos, apparently. I guess I just got all caught up in the moment. I figured if he was streaming content from the iTunes store, I'd be able to stream content from the Rob Store. :)

Bevz
Nov 22, 2010, 05:13 PM
I've not got an ATV2 yet, just the first one. I'm happy to upgrade as long as I get some new features to make up for my lack of local storage. I had hoped airplay was that killer feature (well, after apps but I've resigned myself to the fact it won't have them for a while), but the more I read about it the more I'm getting a little disheartened :( Can't believe it wont stream home movies from iPhone :(

Please someone renew my faith and tell me how cool airplay is... ;)

newtoiphonesdk
Nov 22, 2010, 05:49 PM
I've not got an ATV2 yet, just the first one. I'm happy to upgrade as long as I get some new features to make up for my lack of local storage. I had hoped airplay was that killer feature (well, after apps but I've resigned myself to the fact it won't have them for a while), but the more I read about it the more I'm getting a little disheartened :( Can't believe it wont stream home movies from iPhone :(

Please someone renew my faith and tell me how cool airplay is... ;)

I'd love to tell you how cool it is, but I can't. With AirPlay I can:
1. Stream movies from my iDevice to my AppleTV2. Big whoop, I can already do this via Home Sharing. Actually Home Sharing is better as I have more than 64 GB of movies, so instead of just streaming what is on the iPad, I can stream the whole library.
2. View Pictures just taken on my iPhone. Is that really a huge demand?
3. Stream movies from an iOS device. See #1, you can already do that with the Apple TV.
4. Stream videos from YouTube App. Ummm, why? There's already a YouTube channel on the AppleTV menu.

So, in summary, AirPlay to AppleTV adds a redundancy clause to your streaming options. Now, if they add support for VIDEOS you have just taken with your iPhone4, then I can see it being worth it.

itsmemuffins
Nov 22, 2010, 05:55 PM
Was the number one thing I was looking forward to with airplay.

To say I am disappointed would be an understatement.:(

phpmaven
Nov 22, 2010, 06:01 PM
I just rewatched the Steve Jobs keynote introducing AirPlay and he didn't promise recorded iPhone 4 video to AppleTV via Airplay, I thought he had. Still I am, stunned, stunned this isn't there... it is why I bought 3 AppleTVs.

Whether or not he mention it specifically, is there anybody who didn't just assume that you would be able to do it? When he said that you could stream video from your IOS devices, it was a foregone conclusion to me and probably everybody else that you could stream videos from your iPhone that you just shot. I'm still shocked that you can't. I hope it's coming soon.

newagemac
Nov 22, 2010, 06:11 PM
Originally you couldn't watch videos shot on your iPhone and synced to iPhoto through Home Sharing. Now you can. I'm sure this is something they plan to add as well. I'm just as disappointed as everyone else but some people are acting like this is the final implementation of Airplay. Come on, this is one of their most innovative features. They even added a entirely new category on their Apple TV forums today for just Airplay so I'm sure they will be adding to its capabilities as its an important feature to them that differentiates them from all their competitors.

ClassicBean
Nov 22, 2010, 07:01 PM
This blows. But if you want to be able to AirPlay the videos you shot, import them through iPhoto. Then drop the video into your iTunes library. Then sync the movie back to your iPhone through iTunes.

Yup, lame. Kind of defeats the purpose but it does work.

bjenk
Nov 22, 2010, 07:09 PM
adding my disappointment to the crowd. It is really silly that they did not include this feature. It is great that I can share photos from my iphone right away without having to sync with itunes..... but not allowing videos?

I even tried uploading to Mobile Me gallery and that only supports audio...

I hope they fix this ASAP.

jclardy
Nov 22, 2010, 07:30 PM
This blows. But if you want to be able to AirPlay the videos you shot, import them through iPhoto. Then drop the video into your iTunes library. Then sync the movie back to your iPhone through iTunes.

Yup, lame. Kind of defeats the purpose but it does work.

Also lame because I have iTunes organize my library, meaning the video would be in the Photos app on my iPhone, in my iPhoto library and also in my iTunes library, and finally in the iPod app on my iPhone. You can delete some of those but at that point I could just import it to my iTunes library and stream using home sharing, not putting it back on to my iPhone.

DotCom2
Nov 22, 2010, 07:44 PM
I asked the same question at discussions.apple.com and it looks like this is not supported. I'm with you though, it was one of the big things I was excited about. Honestly, who cares if you can stream stuff from your videos on the iPhone that was synced from iTunes. Those videos are already accessible on Apple TV because it can play anything in iTunes via Home Sharing. What a stupid choice to not stream videos recorded with an iPhone. Maybe a jb app for the iPhone will come out that will let you stream anything.

Both Airplay and AirPrint are a STUPID joke.
I'm sooooo disappointed!:mad:

DotCom2
Nov 22, 2010, 07:51 PM
I am on hold with Apple Techical support to ask about this issue now, to see if there is a workaround, or if it was intentionally left out. I will post updates later but wouldn't hold my breath. The technician actually asked me what airplay was, if it was an app I had downloaded from the AppStore.

UPDATE:
I had to tell him to just forget about it as apparently I know more about Apple products than he does. His big advice after putting me on hold, was to delete the AirPlay app from my iPhone, and try and redownload it and see if that made a difference.

Good gawd that is scary!

DotCom2
Nov 22, 2010, 07:54 PM
I just rewatched the Steve Jobs keynote introducing AirPlay and he didn't promise recorded iPhone 4 video to AppleTV via Airplay, I thought he had. Still I am, stunned, stunned this isn't there... it is why I bought 3 AppleTVs.

It's a good thing I only bought one to try out!
And I won't buy anymore if this feature was intentionally left out!

fpnc
Nov 22, 2010, 08:14 PM
There are jb apps out now that let you mirror the entire screen to a tv using video cables. Theoretically they could update it to mirror the screen using airplay. At least i would think so
That would be a bit difficult considering that the app would first have to convert the image into an H.264 video stream and then send that over AirPlay. Unless they had direct access to the hardware video compression capabilities in the A4's GPU that type of jailbreak or hack isn't likely to happen. Realtime H.264 video compression using just the CPU would require something like a Core 2 Duo or better (or hardware video compression support in the GPU) and the iPad/iPhone's A4 CPU isn't anywhere close to being that fast.

shaotse
Nov 22, 2010, 09:07 PM
I know it's an extra hassle of course

Bevz
Nov 23, 2010, 02:26 AM
I'd love to tell you how cool it is, but I can't. With AirPlay I can:
1. Stream movies from my iDevice to my AppleTV2. Big whoop, I can already do this via Home Sharing. Actually Home Sharing is better as I have more than 64 GB of movies, so instead of just streaming what is on the iPad, I can stream the whole library.
2. View Pictures just taken on my iPhone. Is that really a huge demand?
3. Stream movies from an iOS device. See #1, you can already do that with the Apple TV.
4. Stream videos from YouTube App. Ummm, why? There's already a YouTube channel on the AppleTV menu.

So, in summary, AirPlay to AppleTV adds a redundancy clause to your streaming options. Now, if they add support for VIDEOS you have just taken with your iPhone4, then I can see it being worth it.

I was afraid someone would say that, what a disappointment! :(

Superdrive
Nov 23, 2010, 02:41 AM
Add me to the list of disappointed. I figured the stinking Gallery app would allow AirPlay video. Why in the world would someone want to show photos from their library and leave out the videos? Someone get a strongly worded email to Steve in asap. This stinks...

Mromberg
Nov 23, 2010, 07:46 AM
So after reading some of this blog, I had an idea that maybe -- for whatever reason -- Airplay might work with videos I exported from the phone's iMovie app to the Apple TV. No dice. I even tried within the iMovie app to display a project but only audio is available to stream.

I even tried the exported movie that had been transferred to my iPad, using the double-tap of the home button to get to the Airplay button. Again, only audio was streamed to the Apple TV.

Very annoyed, along with everyone else. The early reviews (Macworld, ArsTech, etc.) of Airplay fail to mention this issue.

Phil A.
Nov 23, 2010, 07:49 AM
It does seem a strange limitation, and one that will hopefully be fixed in a future update.

Evgenyy
Nov 23, 2010, 08:01 AM
I am pretty sure this limitation is due to the tv networks objecting to Airplay being available for any h.264 video in iOS. Some of them have paid streaming apps where the streaming plan is cheaper for the iPhone/iPad than the big screen counterpart. Airplay, as it was intended, would allow you to have a cheaper streaming plan and play it on the big screen. I think Apple didn't have enough time to negotiate licencing or to come up with effective API that would block Airplay in certain apps, hence they disabled it alltogether. It is the only reasonable explanation why audio is supported but video is not given that technically iPhone/iPad is capable of it.

I think videos in Camera Roll are using different API to play than the API used in iPod app, hence it was also axed when Apple had to disable Airplay for other apps.

mullman
Nov 23, 2010, 08:28 AM
John G has some thoughts on this today:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/airplay_limits

I'm a bit disappointed, but it is certainly not a deal breaker.

Phil A.
Nov 23, 2010, 09:09 AM
John G has some thoughts on this today:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/airplay_limits

I'm a bit disappointed, but it is certainly not a deal breaker.

This does make sense (i.e. it's only been added to part of the OS), and hopefully we'll see it in more places in the coming months (particularly the camera roll!)

DotCom2
Nov 23, 2010, 09:45 AM
Great marketing name “AirPlay” with HUGE potential.
BIG FLOP in actuality! :mad::mad::mad:

InfoTime
Nov 24, 2010, 11:18 AM
Add me to the list of disappointed users. :mad:

truehybridx
Dec 6, 2010, 09:51 PM
i have no problem playing videos from my iphone 4 to apple tv... the airplay button was hidden until you airplay music, switch to video and then go from there

newtoiphonesdk
Dec 7, 2010, 10:47 AM
If you are jail broke there is a new app that will support airplay camera roll videos to the new apple tv. It is called air home video from the big boss repo for $0.99 on Cydia.

Norcalchavo
Dec 7, 2010, 01:25 PM
If you are jail broke there is a new app that will support airplay camera roll videos to the new apple tv. It is called air home video from the big boss repo for $0.99 on Cydia.

I downloaded the "Air Home Video" app from cydia and what it does is install an app on your springboard. From there you can select the videos you want to watch in low/high quality, you hit play and they are automatically displayed on your ATV2

Wheeler
Dec 7, 2010, 01:52 PM
Dudes- patience, 3rd party airplay just isn't ready yet- but its coming. I'm sure Apple wanted to have it ready but couldn't get it right before the promised 4.2 Nov release. This has happened over and over with iOS features- we bitch and moan that a feature is not available, a jailbreak comes out and the dev community makes some magic happen but its a hack and not for the masses ( as it has for airplay), then a few months later Apple releases the official feature that works perfectly- and you forget about all the agonizing weeks you couldn't live without the feature, are happy for a brief moment, then move on to the next missing feature.

Its not that Apple wanted to limit airplay- the code just isn't ready- and they are not going to release anything half-a$$ed.

I'm starting to think Apple is getting over-stretched and cant juggle so many lines as well as we all would hope.

ayale99
Dec 7, 2010, 02:52 PM
I bet once video in Airplay gets released, Facetime on the Apple TV will come with it. Is that worth the wait for all you whiners? It is for me.

clactonlad
Dec 27, 2010, 08:10 AM
Just got my ATV2 for xmas and was disapointed i couldn't play vids recorded on my IP4 using airplay, however!...... There is an awesome free app in the app store called quickplay for airplay that lets you play recorded vids over airplay, just launch the app an there are all your recorded vids waiting to be played, it's awesome! Here is the link via app shopper: http://appshopper.com/utilities/quickplay-for-airplay-for-iphone-recorded-videos

itsmemuffins
Dec 27, 2010, 08:52 AM
Just got my ATV2 for xmas and was disapointed i couldn't play vids recorded on my IP4 using airplay, however!...... There is an awesome free app in the app store called quickplay for airplay that lets you play recorded vids over airplay, just launch the app an there are all your recorded vids waiting to be played, it's awesome! Here is the link via app shopper: http://appshopper.com/utilities/quickplay-for-airplay-for-iphone-recorded-videos

Thanks for posting that! You're a star!!:D

Gonna try it out now.

EDIT: OK tried it. It doesn't work, all I get is sound, no video streaming. :(

clactonlad
Dec 27, 2010, 09:15 AM
Yeah me to. I jumped the gun and posted before trying. Hopefully the devs of this can get this working.

pirateRACE
Dec 29, 2010, 08:41 AM
I know people don't like hearing this, but there are some nice jailbreak solutions for this.

AirVideoEnabler (let's some third party apps and safari send video)
Air Home Video (sends camera roll videos)

I will be jail breaking just for those two apps... Thanks, Apple. :rolleyes:

Gordcoffin
Jan 8, 2011, 10:44 AM
Tried the free quickplay app and it works!! No problem at all. Iam using a ipod touch 4 and atv2. Quickplay compresses themovie before playing it.

itsmemuffins
Jan 10, 2011, 05:38 AM
Tried the free quickplay app and it works!! No problem at all. Iam using a ipod touch 4 and atv2. Quickplay compresses themovie before playing it.

Yes, update 1.1 fixed it.

Still it needs some work.

Compression of videos over a couple of minutes takes some time and if the phone's screen turns off the video pauses. Compression is also a bit too severe.

Anyone know why it needs to compress it in the first place?

pirateRACE
Jan 10, 2011, 11:51 AM
Tried the free quickplay app and it works!! No problem at all. Iam using a ipod touch 4 and atv2. Quickplay compresses themovie before playing it.

Woah. This app was news to me! I can't believe this has made it onto the App Store. I grabbed it before it's pulled. I haven't tried it yet, how bad is the compression? Are the videos still HD?

itsmemuffins
Jan 11, 2011, 02:40 AM
Woah. This app was news to me! I can't believe this has made it onto the App Store. I grabbed it before it's pulled. I haven't tried it yet, how bad is the compression? Are the videos still HD?

It didn't look like it to me.:(

pirateRACE
Jan 11, 2011, 08:25 AM
It didn't look like it to me.:(

I tried one movie with the app last night and got the "this movie cannot be played message" after compression...

oh well. :(

redsn0w, here I come..