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Mudbug
Jan 17, 2005, 01:26 PM
yet another show of someone with more money than brains.

MacBytes
Jan 17, 2005, 01:26 PM
Category: Photos
Link: iPod shuffle dissected (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20050117142649)
Posted on MacBytes.com (http://www.macbytes.com)

Approved by Mudbug

PickledSquirrel
Jan 17, 2005, 01:35 PM
Booooooohooooooooou
Just realised yesterday that I won't afford one in the near future, and now THIS :eek: :(

-Squirrel

Phat_Pat
Jan 17, 2005, 01:39 PM
i wonder if he got it to work again :p

lol why would you do that....

macreator
Jan 17, 2005, 01:40 PM
What a waste of an iPod Shuffle. Very sad. :(

Hodapp
Jan 17, 2005, 01:47 PM
I love seeing the innards of electronic devices.

It's not a matter of more money than sense, it's a matter of seeing how something works, or how it is put together- and being the first person on the internet to post pictures of the process.

Besides, it's only $100, and from the looks of it, there's no reason he couldn't put it back together and have it work again.

redAPPLE
Jan 17, 2005, 02:49 PM
anybody know how long those lithium batteries would hold?

24C
Jan 17, 2005, 03:21 PM
...snip...Besides, it's only $100, and from the looks of it, there's no reason he couldn't put it back together and have it work again.
He snapped the ribbon cable to the USB plug and he killed the touchpad membrane:( ... it won't ever be as good as new again.

Definitely a case of look before you leap, poor sod, rich kid or whatever :D

PS Bring on the Mac mini :D :D

Hodapp
Jan 17, 2005, 03:57 PM
Meh, I don't know, I still thought it was interesting... But I'm in to stuff like that. :D

My first instinct when I get anything new is "Let's take it apart and see how it works!!"

Within reason, obviously, but it doesn't hurt when other people do the dirty work. :D

Mainyehc
Jan 17, 2005, 04:00 PM
Oh, come on... It could've been worse... At least the guy picked the 512MB model :D

He should have uncovered the memory chip so we could see it, though. Ah, this reminds me of something...
http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

You know, someone had to post a link to this, it's like the "What? no G5 PowerBook??" whining... :rolleyes:

One down, one to go... (someone will eventually dissect a Mac mini :p)
Anyway, time to give another look at this "nerd porn" LOL

SiliconAddict
Jan 17, 2005, 04:02 PM
PS Bring on the Mac mini :D :D


You ain't kidding. I can't wait to see one of those dissected. I'm going to be very interested in seeing what in the mini can be hacked.

24C
Jan 17, 2005, 04:22 PM
You ain't kidding. I can't wait to see one of those dissected. I'm going to be very interested in seeing what in the mini can be hacked.

Me too, but I won't be first posting pictures, mine's a few months down the road. How soon before Tiger is launched and it makes it onto the Mac mini?

SiliconAddict
Jan 17, 2005, 04:52 PM
Me too, but I won't be first posting pictures, mine's a few months down the road. How soon before Tiger is launched and it makes it onto the Mac mini?


ditto. No point in getting the Mini now just to have to pay for Tiger in a few months. :D

Poff
Jan 17, 2005, 04:59 PM
with that huge battery, shouldn't it be able to hold power for more than 12 hours?

Almost seems as if Apple has crippled it just to be able to sell the battery peripheral.. then again, if that's the case they could have just used a smaller battery. :eek:

shamino
Jan 17, 2005, 05:08 PM
I love seeing the innards of electronic devices.

It's not a matter of more money than sense, it's a matter of seeing how something works, or how it is put together- and being the first person on the internet to post pictures of the process.
I also like looking inside devices, but if the person writing the article wasn't able to put it all back together good as new, then the experiment was a failure, IMO.

I'm only interested in seeing take-apart articles when no damage is caused and everything can be reassembled.

What if someone in the future decides to use this article as a reference for changing the battery? It wouldn't do him any good, since his iPod would be trashed afterwards.
Besides, it's only $100, and from the looks of it, there's no reason he couldn't put it back together and have it work again.
It looks like he permanently damaged the seal around the control disc. Maybe he can re-attach it, but we won't know because he didn't write that part of the article.

It also looks like he tore the ribbon cable to the USB connector.

shamino
Jan 17, 2005, 05:36 PM
You ain't kidding. I can't wait to see one of those dissected. I'm going to be very interested in seeing what in the mini can be hacked.
Well, the first two photos (the lid removed and a motherboard) are on Apple's web site, over here (http://www.apple.com/macmini/design.html).

A MacInTouch article (http://www.macintouch.com/macmini03.html) about the mini discusses this somewhat. According to one person's conversation with an Apple employee, it has a flex/snap-fit enclosure (no screws.) A special tool is used to move several plastic "fingers" out of the way and then the top cover lifts off.

Also, scroll down to the "other comments" section, where someone witnessed an actual take-apart.

And for those who want to upgrade the RAM on their own and save some money, Apple has said that doing this will not void your warrantee, as long as you don't break anything in the process.

Phatpat
Jan 17, 2005, 05:54 PM
Cool beans. I'd like to see the memory sometime. Can't be that hard, right?

warcraftmaster
Jan 17, 2005, 06:02 PM
did any one ripp the iPod 4g i want to see in side does and one have a link or even the ipod photo

macridah
Jan 17, 2005, 07:39 PM
why? if he could put it back together, then I will give him props.

feeze
Jan 17, 2005, 10:03 PM
For those of you who wanted to see the innards of a mac mini,

Here you go (http://www.macnews.de/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=16&page=1)

3Memos
Jan 17, 2005, 10:19 PM
yet another show of someone with more money than brains.

Ah but the eyeballs and the advertising dollars that it brings in. :)

3Memos
Jan 17, 2005, 10:21 PM
He snapped the ribbon cable to the USB plug and he killed the touchpad membrane:( ... it won't ever be as good as new again.

Let this be a lesson to us all... that curiosity killed the cat. Fools rush in where angels dare to tread. Haste makes waste. You snooze you lose. :p

solvs
Jan 18, 2005, 01:02 AM
with that huge battery, shouldn't it be able to hold power for more than 12 hours?
Someone got over 15 hours from his on the first charge. I don't remember where I saw it, but I think it was here somewhere.

redAPPLE
Jan 18, 2005, 02:09 AM
Someone got over 15 hours from his on the first charge. I don't remember where I saw it, but I think it was here somewhere.

here it is:

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/solution-20050112.html

3Memos
Jan 18, 2005, 02:12 AM
here it is:

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/solution-20050112.html

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/images/Mossberg_IpodShuffle201112005173906.jpg

"I've been testing the new iPod Shuffle for a couple of days, and, in my tests, it fulfilled -- and even exceeded -- Apple's claims for convenience, battery life and song capacity. Sound quality is so good you can barely believe the music is coming from something so small."

Walt Mossberg likes it!!

SiliconAddict
Jan 18, 2005, 04:26 AM
For those of you who wanted to see the innards of a mac mini,

Here you go (http://www.macnews.de/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=16&page=1)


Please tell me that is some funky ZIF socket for the G4!!! :eek:

Edit: Maybe not. :(

solvs
Jan 18, 2005, 06:28 AM
here it is:

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/solution-20050112.html
thx. How could I forget ol' Walt? :D

shamino
Jan 18, 2005, 07:27 AM
Please tell me that is some funky ZIF socket for the G4!!! :eek:
From the looks of those photos, the CPU is soldered down. So it looks like processor upgrades for the mini are out of the question.

wordmunger
Jan 18, 2005, 07:47 AM
with that huge battery, shouldn't it be able to hold power for more than 12 hours?

Almost seems as if Apple has crippled it just to be able to sell the battery peripheral.. then again, if that's the case they could have just used a smaller battery. :eek:

Looking at that battery, my best guess is dimensions of about 1/4 inch by 2/3 inch by 1 inch, for a volume of 0.165 cubic inches.

Compare this to a volume of about .39 cubic inches for a AA battery: the iPod Shuffle's battery is less than half the size!

So 12-15 hours seems about right to me, given that a CD player typically lasts 20-30 hours with 2 AA batteries.

Plus, why would Apple deliberately handcuff its battery? Competitors will no doubt emerge, and if they can easily exceed Apple's battery life, they will.

ASP272
Jan 18, 2005, 08:17 AM
Plus, why would Apple deliberately handcuff its battery? Competitors will no doubt emerge, and if they can easily exceed Apple's battery life, they will.

I'm sure the sharks are already swimming around the Shuffle. That's good for us. Each time a competitor makes a slightly better product (in terms of battery life, features, etc.) It pushes Apple to make a better Shuffle. In Walt's review he said that the sliding button on the back can be hard to move and you can accidentally hit the buttons on the other side. Maybe Apple will improve this somehow. Still love the Shuffle though.

nfocus design
Jan 18, 2005, 08:49 AM
I do hate to see an Apple product damaged, but I'm glad someone is willing to see what makes it work and show the rest of us. I just got a shuffle yesterday at my local Apple store and was curios about the insides. Not curious enough to take mine apart though :)

Poff
Jan 19, 2005, 03:35 AM
Someone got over 15 hours from his on the first charge. I don't remember where I saw it, but I think it was here somewhere.

Hmm.. guess I'm just put off by the initial rumors of 50 hours battery, and that other similarily sized flash-players can have 20-30 hours. Then again, Apple probably cut all the costs they could just to be able to offer a $99 price.

Hope I'll be able to cram 15 hours out of mine when it arrives! :)

shamino
Jan 19, 2005, 09:24 AM
Hmm.. guess I'm just put off by the initial rumors of 50 hours battery, and that other similarily sized flash-players can have 20-30 hours.
Well, if you cut the size of the flash chip down, by making it smaller, then you can cram more battery in there. But that's a tradeoff I'd rather not make. A player that can only hold two hours of music is pretty useless.
Hope I'll be able to cram 15 hours out of mine when it arrives! :)
Be sure to practice good care and feeding (http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm) of the lithium battery pack, in order to make it last as long as possible. Apple also has some iPod battery guidelines (http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html) that are worth reading.