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mario24601
Nov 27, 2010, 03:33 PM
Yesterday ordered my first MacBook. Been using pc most my life, once I had a Apple IIe but guess that doesn't really count. I ordered a 13 Air Ultimate, shows shipped from China so hope to get in week or so. This will be my first real venture into OSX so I'm excited to try it. The price was about $122 less than regular price directly from Apple.

I do have couple of questions:
Do I need virus protection? All my pcs have Norton 2011. What should I get for the Air?
What's best way to load Win7 on Air? I heard there are couple ways to do it. But not sure what latest and greatest is. Any recommendation?

Been reading this forum for so time, lots of good info. I'm sure now I will be on more!

BTW: I have been using Apple stuff for sometime. Have 3GS, prior had the first gen. I also have 32GB iPad wifi. And the new touch iPod, that kids use.



AceFernalld
Nov 27, 2010, 03:47 PM
First off I'd like to say I'm VERY jealous of your purchase. :D

I've never installed any type of anti-spyware/malware programs on my iMac or my MacBook Pro, which I've now had for 2 1/4 and 1 year(s), respectively. Never had ANY problems with either of them. They basically run just as fast as they did the day that I purchased them.

As for running Windows, there are 3 options as far as I know.

Boot Camp - http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/
Parallels - http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/
VMware - http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/

Not really sure which is best, but I do know that Boot Camp is free, so that's what I would personally use.

Congrats on your new OS X purchase, I'm sure you'll love it! :)

Hope I helped!
~Austin

psirix
Nov 27, 2010, 03:56 PM
Congratulations on your purchase! In terms of antivirus/antispyware software on the Mac, you shouldn't need anything. For running Windows, I would suggest using a virtualized environment such as VMware, Parallels, or Virtualbox. It will take up more resources as opposed to running natively with boot camp, but in that event you shouldn't have to worry about getting viruses on your virtual machine. If you do, you can simply use a snapshot of the virtual machine prior to infection, and you're back to a stable environment without having to spend time reloading your OS or removing the virus. Is there a specific reason you need to run Windows on the Mac? Certain applications that are not available on the OS X platform?

cleric
Nov 27, 2010, 04:47 PM
Unless you are going to game or use some very specific software you probably dont need windows at all.

gwsat
Nov 27, 2010, 05:03 PM
Yesterday ordered my first MacBook. Been using pc most my life, once I had a Apple IIe but guess that doesn't really count. I ordered a 13 Air Ultimate, shows shipped from China so hope to get in week or so. This will be my first real venture into OSX so I'm excited to try it. The price was about $122 less than regular price directly from Apple.

I do have couple of questions:
Do I need virus protection? All my pcs have Norton 2011. What should I get for the Air?
What's best way to load Win7 on Air? I heard there are couple ways to do it. But not sure what latest and greatest is. Any recommendation?
I am running Windows 7 in a VMware Fusion virtual machine on my 13 inch Ultimate MBA. The MBA runs Windows apps and OS X apps simultaneously with as much speed and stability as the MBP does, although the MBP has 6GB of RAM. The built in Windows 7 anti malware program, Windows Defender, has been terrific. I have been using Windows Defender for nearly a year and have not as yet contracted any viruses.

mario24601
Nov 28, 2010, 05:39 PM
Thanks all for replies. I have a lot to learn about OS X. This will mostly be used to surf, movies, word, light games...so maybe you are right. I might not really need Windows, just thought it would be easier transition if had windows on it but can't really think of anything I need that I should not be able to do natively on Air.

Re virus protection, if downloading something that contains a virus does OS X give you some sort of warning, like Norton or Kaspersky would?

Will all my USB drives be recognized by Air? Also My docs such as word docs, excel, pics and movies?

ZenErik
Nov 28, 2010, 05:43 PM
Thanks all for replies. I have a lot to learn about OS X. This will mostly be used to surf, movies, word, light games...so maybe you are right. I might not really need Windows, just thought it would be easier transition if had windows on it but can't really think of anything I need that I should not be able to do natively on Air.

Re virus protection, if downloading something that contains a virus does OS X give you some sort of warning, like Norton or Kaspersky would?

Will all my USB drives be recognized by Air? Also My docs such as word docs, excel, pics and movies?
You won't be downloading any viruses. Almost every virus around comes in the form of a .exe file. You can't even run those on a Mac. Really, don't worry about virus protection.

Mac Composer
Nov 28, 2010, 06:56 PM
Agree with the others, don't worry about viruses, but also stay away from less than reputable websites. And get a backup plan going with Time Machine. In the event that you do download something that messes with your system, go back in time to fix it.

MaxMike
Nov 28, 2010, 07:09 PM
+1 on time machine. my hard drive crashed in my mini and i was back running as it used to be in a few hours thanks to the backups.

psirix
Nov 28, 2010, 07:20 PM
Just my opinion, if you put windows on it you'll probably be less likely to determine if OS X can meet your needs, as well as learning how to navigate around. I know this from my own experience because I did the same thing. Once I forced myself to learn OS X by taking Winbloze of my machine, I found that OS X meets all of my needs and is much more "logical" to use than Windows.

For virus protection you will not receive any warnings because you won't have any software installed. There are antivirus solutions available, but you shouldn't need them. As long as you are downloading and using reputable sources on the internet this shouldn't be an issue. Also keep in mind there is such a larger market for viruses/malware for a PC than a Mac. Therefore most of the viruses/malware you could run into are designed for the PC, which means the code is useless on the Mac and won't infect the system.

Your USB devices should recognize just fine. Keep in mind Snow Leopard won't automatically allow you to write to a NTFS partition, but you can make this happen however it isn't necessarily recommended. However if you're just talking USB thumb drives or other small media it's probably formatted in FAT so you won't have to worry about writing to it as it works natively. All excel, word, pictures, and movies should play fine. You'll probably want to pickup a copy of office for Mac, as well as a third-party video player depending on the types of movie files you have.

Thanks all for replies. I have a lot to learn about OS X. This will mostly be used to surf, movies, word, light games...so maybe you are right. I might not really need Windows, just thought it would be easier transition if had windows on it but can't really think of anything I need that I should not be able to do natively on Air.

Re virus protection, if downloading something that contains a virus does OS X give you some sort of warning, like Norton or Kaspersky would?

Will all my USB drives be recognized by Air? Also My docs such as word docs, excel, pics and movies?

revelated
Nov 28, 2010, 08:36 PM
You won't be downloading any viruses. Almost every virus around comes in the form of a .exe file. You can't even run those on a Mac. Really, don't worry about virus protection.

Negative. DO worry about certain viruses. But deal with them differently than you would in Windows. The main one to look out for are trojan-type viruses. Browsing safe websites is a start, but you really need to be aware of how OS X attempts to protect you so that you don't go screwing stuff up.

Anytime an application is installed, Snow Leopard will prompt you for the login credential you created when you set up the computer the first time. DO NOT forget this login. Make sure you only enter it for apps that you recognize and trust. Be aware of every app you try to install and what its purpose is, and make sure you do due diligence about each app before installing.

If your Firewall is not enabled, turn it on.

Apps when run the first time will ask for permission to allow incoming connections. As with the installation, be aware of which apps you allow incoming connections to. Most apps you come across do not need this allowance for day-to-day usage, but a lot do. Learn the difference.


Other things to know:

- If I were you, and this is my personal assessment as someone who comes from both worlds...I would not give full credence to someone who says "you don't need Windows". It's faulty logic. If you're coming from the Windows world, there are likely things that Windows does for you that kept you there that long. There are going to be things that Snow Leopard either can't give you or can't give you as seamlessly as Windows. Too many to list, but my suggestion to you is to grab a copy of VMWare (it's more stable than Parallels), migrate your PC into a VM, and continue from there. Use it when you need to, then wean yourself off of Windows. Be aware of any applications that Windows offers that have no Mac OS analog so you know when you need to access the VM. It will take many months for you to get to the point where Snow Leopard is doing the majority of your required tasks for you. I'm two years into using Mac OS and I still keep four Windows VMs because I have to.

ZenErik
Nov 28, 2010, 08:40 PM
Negative. DO worry about certain viruses. But deal with them differently than you would in Windows. The main one to look out for are trojan-type viruses. Browsing safe websites is a start, but you really need to be aware of how OS X attempts to protect you so that you don't go screwing stuff up.

Anytime an application is installed, Snow Leopard will prompt you for the login credential you created when you set up the computer the first time. DO NOT forget this login. Make sure you only enter it for apps that you recognize and trust. Be aware of every app you try to install and what its purpose is, and make sure you do due diligence about each app before installing.

If your Firewall is not enabled, turn it on.

Apps when run the first time will ask for permission to allow incoming connections. As with the installation, be aware of which apps you allow incoming connections to. Most apps you come across do not need this allowance for day-to-day usage, but a lot do. Learn the difference.


Other things to know:

- If I were you, and this is my personal assessment as someone who comes from both worlds...I would not give full credence to someone who says "you don't need Windows". It's faulty logic. If you're coming from the Windows world, there are likely things that Windows does for you that kept you there that long. There are going to be things that Snow Leopard either can't give you or can't give you as seamlessly as Windows. Too many to list, but my suggestion to you is to grab a copy of VMWare (it's more stable than Parallels), migrate your PC into a VM, and continue from there. Use it when you need to, then wean yourself off of Windows. Be aware of any applications that Windows offers that have no Mac OS analog so you know when you need to access the VM. It will take many months for you to get to the point where Snow Leopard is doing the majority of your required tasks for you. I'm two years into using Mac OS and I still keep four Windows VMs because I have to.
This guy seems to know his stuff. Either way, in my 15 years using Apple computers I have never had any issues with no anti-virus, no anti-malware or anything of the sort.

aristobrat
Nov 28, 2010, 08:48 PM
I might not really need Windows, just thought it would be easier transition if had windows on it but can't really think of anything I need that I should not be able to do natively on Air.
For that type of situation, I'd recommend you use a virtual machine to run Windows. The main ones are VMWare Fusion or Parallels Desktop. They both cost money (whereas Boot Camp is free), but they don't require you to partition your hard drive (so you'll end up saving hard drive space with a virtual machine) and makes the overall installation of Windows easy.

Will all my USB drives be recognized by Air? Also My docs such as word docs, excel, pics and movies?
Your Air should be able to read any Windows drive. Depending on how the drive was formatted, it may or may not be able to write to it. Macs can write to drives that are formatted with FAT, but can't write to drives formatted with NTFS, unless you install some additional programs.

You will need iWork, Microsoft Office for Mac, or NeoOffice for your Mac to be able to open and edit Word/Excel/PowerPoint files.

FWIW, Apple's done a fairly good job of answering questions that you're likely to have here:
http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac

ZenErik
Nov 28, 2010, 08:50 PM
You will need iWork, Microsoft Office for Mac, or NeoOffice for your Mac to be able to open and edit Word/Excel/PowerPoint files.

FWIW, Apple's done a fairly good job of answering questions that you're likely to have here:
http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac
How about OpenOffice? I have only used it on Windows and Linux, but it seems to be another solid option. The Mac version is more than likely sufficient, right?

aristobrat
Nov 28, 2010, 08:53 PM
How about OpenOffice? I have only used it on Windows and Linux, but it seems to be another solid option. The Mac version is more than likely sufficient, right?
NeoOffice is a Mac port of OfficeOffice. It seems to get recommended over the regular Mac OfficeOffice release, although I don't have much first-hand experience with either. :)

http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php

cherry su
Nov 28, 2010, 10:07 PM
If you're only using a handful of windows apps, consider using Wine instead of investing in a copy of windows.

dmelgar
Nov 28, 2010, 10:44 PM
Avoid running a VM if you don't need to. If you're mostly browsing and looking at Office files, just get MS Office for Mac and use Safari. Done. No need to mess with setting up and maintaining a whole virtual windows box. Makes life much easier for you.

Antivirus isn't needed because there is so little malware out there.

Get Little Snitch. Its an outbound firewall and will alert you whenever a program is trying to call out from your Mac. If you don't understand why the program is calling out, block it at least temporarily and investigate. Chances are its part of Mac OS X or part of some other legit app, but its the best insurance against installing malware phoning home with your info.

There has been some of the first malware for a Mac out there. Its usually a trojan. Something that looks legitimate but is evil. Snow Leopard actually detects a couple of them if you attempt to download them. The one's I know of were included in bootleg versions of legit programs. If you stick with reputable websites and application install images, you should be fine.

I periodically run ClamXav. Its a free open source scanner for malware. Its not really needed but can provide some piece of mind.

Realistically, you have to worry more about email phishing attacks which have nothing to do with Mac but just trick you to going to their website and providing your credentials to a fake website.

I would avoid OpenOffice. It doesn't work well enough for most folks. MS Office is available and works well.

Wine is too hard to configure and setup on a Mac. There's a prepackaged version thats not free that helps, but is still hard to manage and doesn't work for lots of apps.

Avoid windows if you can.

revelated
Nov 28, 2010, 11:44 PM
If you use any application that does not have an OSX version, you're using a Windows VM. Period. And there are quite a few of them. Don't know if you use any of them or not, you'll have to do that research.

Home Media Center - Windows 7/Windows Media Center destroys Snow Leopard in this regard.

If you're a gamer - forget about trying to force Snow Leopard to do something it swallows in. Windows destroys the competition here.

Office 2011/Outlook 2011 for Mac does not support Exchange 2003. Office 2010/Outlook 2010 for Windows does. If you need to sync to your email from home and don't want to use the OWA page, you can use Entourage, but it pales in comparison to Outlook.

Blu-Ray drives - if you care about such things, a Windows VM will allow you to install the proper drivers to run a Blu-Ray external. It's hit-or-miss on Snow Leopard.

ActiveX - some sites just require it. Safari can handle some but not all. If the website is critical and it requires Internet Explorer, you're using Windows. These should be rare, but they ARE out there. Some news sites still use ActiveX to render their videos for some stupid reason.


Like I said before: one should not assume that Snow Leopard can do everything Windows 7 can. It can't. The things it does do, it does well. However, there are still things Windows 7 stands tall on. Just do the VM, migrate the PC, work it until you are comfortable and wean yourself off over time. I promise you, if you try to just make the leap off of Windows you WILL be frustrated with Snow Leopard. There are just too many hacks and software addons that you have to download to get Snow Leopard to do things that Windows does out of the box. Default Apps, Flip4Mac, NTFS 3G, Perian, MacFUSE...

Baby steps. Do not rush it. Get a VM, get comfortable, take it in stride.

gdeputy
Nov 29, 2010, 06:03 PM
Good Luck!

13" is my first Mac as well, and so far after a few days I've enjoyed it. Certainly not as fast as my PC desktop, but I wanted a laptop for portability without sacrificing the screen size of the MBP, and this screen blows MBP IMHO out of the water. I went to best buy multiple times before ordering at apple.com to compare the pro line with the air line, and overall I'm satisfied. the price was high, but hey, my girlfriend bought it for me for christmas (came early :) ) so I can't complain.

My initial impressions were, the build quality is far ahead of any windows box I've owned (and I've owned alot). The screen is beautiful, better than any laptop I've owned (only 4 to date), and so far I really enjoy the ease of use with the operating system. On my windows box I do alot of tweaking, I overclock and it's nice to not have to worry about troubleshooting a problem (apple genius FTW) or getting a BSOD. Overall I'm happy with it, I haven't had a chance to travel much, but I plan on using it for light introductory photo editing, and some light video editing (STRONGLY considering getting an entry level DSLR, either that or a HD Cam, but the draw for awesome photo's is calling me. Might grab a DSLR and I always have my iPhone 4 for video, or thinking of getting a cheap Flip HD).

Anyways, best of luck to you in learning the OS. I've only spent maybe 10 hours with it and I'm starting to get ahold of everything pretty well, and figuring out how to mirror my windows knowledge to OSX. I will say so far that I absolutely LOVE expose.. but yeah.. I'm still a newbie. Feels good to own both OSX and windows boxes.. strong believer of both being very cool operating systems that both have strength and weakness.

GGJstudios
Nov 29, 2010, 08:14 PM
Do I need virus protection?
You don't need any virus protection for your Mac, since no virus exists in the wild that can run on current Mac OS X.
Re virus protection, if downloading something that contains a virus does OS X give you some sort of warning, like Norton or Kaspersky would?
Again, there are no Mac viruses in the wild. You don't need such warnings.

If you want to be protected against malware, read this:
Mac Virus/Malware Info (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=9400648&postcount=4)

KPOM
Nov 29, 2010, 08:33 PM
Congratulations. I've been using a MacBook Air as my main home computer since early 2008, and I recently upgraded to an "Ultimate 13" model, too.

Windows 7 runs quite well on Parallels 6. However, if you just want the ability to use Windows, you can also install it through Boot Camp, which comes with OS X (you just need a Windows disc and an external DVD drive with which to install it). There is also a free program called VirtualBox which is similar to Parallels and VMWare Fusion. The main difference between using Boot Camp and something like VirtualBox, Parallels, or Fusion is that with the latter 3, you can run Windows side by side with OS X. With Boot Camp, you have to restart your computer to switch between Windows and OS X.

Depending on available SSD space, it might be helpful to install Windows and then migrate your old PC files and programs to it. I don't use Windows very often as the Mac has most of the software I need. But I do use Quicken for Windows and Internet Explorer (as my office remote access sites need Internet Explorer) occasionally.

KPOM
Nov 29, 2010, 08:41 PM
I'd suggest checking out the Switch 101 page on Apple's website.

http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/

For me, some of the most significant differences are the following:

You use the "command" key where you would use the "control" key in Windows (e.g command-Q to quit)
You have only one "button" on the trackpad. You can use Ctrl-Click, or two-finger click instead of the right mouse button. You can also program the lower right or left corner of the trackpad to act as the right mouse button.
"Delete" acts more like Backspace in Windows. To replicate the Windows "DEL" key, type fn-Delete.
There is no "Start" button. Some of the functions are in the little Apple menu. However, if you drag your Applications folder to the right side of the Dock (just right of the little "divider"), it will put a shortcut there (called an "Alias") that acts a little like a Start button.
System Preferences is like Control Panel. OS X doesn't present you as many customizations as Windows.
Get to know the multi-touch trackpad gestures. It makes using OS X a lot easier.

greygray
Nov 30, 2010, 06:51 AM
You'll have to use Photobooth to be a professional camwhore.

:o :D

millerb7
Nov 30, 2010, 07:52 AM
Yesterday ordered my first MacBook. Been using pc most my life, once I had a Apple IIe but guess that doesn't really count. I ordered a 13 Air Ultimate, shows shipped from China so hope to get in week or so. This will be my first real venture into OSX so I'm excited to try it. The price was about $122 less than regular price directly from Apple.

I do have couple of questions:
Do I need virus protection? All my pcs have Norton 2011. What should I get for the Air?
What's best way to load Win7 on Air? I heard there are couple ways to do it. But not sure what latest and greatest is. Any recommendation?

Been reading this forum for so time, lots of good info. I'm sure now I will be on more!

BTW: I have been using Apple stuff for sometime. Have 3GS, prior had the first gen. I also have 32GB iPad wifi. And the new touch iPod, that kids use.

VIRUSES:

You can get them, they come in many forms. Trojans, spyware, keyloggers, malware, etc etc. DO NOT listen to people who say you CANNOT get them. That is just 100% wrong. That being said, it is MUCH MUCH harder to get them in OSX than Windows. As already stated, the biggest issue you will have is coming from untrusted websites. Just be smart. If you know what you are downloading on your computer, you're fine. Don't go randomly downloading anything and everything. If you abide by this VERY important rule (as you should with ANY computer and ANY operating system), you shouldn't have any issues with viruses at all.

I have never used anti-virus, and have only had 1 virus in 10+ years using a Mac.

As far as windows... do yourself a favor... GET IT. You'll need it eventually for some really small stupid thing, and it'll irritate the hell out of you if you don't have it.

I'd HIGHLY suggest using parallels 6. It's amazing. I don't see a need to actually partition off the SSD and install bootcamp, just virtual machine it with parallels 6 and be a happy camper that random rainy day you want to do something windows related.

If you are going to actually game in windows, then I'd suggest doing a bootcamp partition as gaming+virtual machines normally gives poor results....

Welcome aboard, and ENJOY the new toy... it's a good machine.

stockscalper
Nov 30, 2010, 08:49 AM
If you are going to run OS X only programs then you won't need any virus protection, but if you are going to run any Windows software via Bootcamp, Fusion or Parallels then you will need to install a good Windows based virus program.

Pipper99
Nov 30, 2010, 09:49 AM
I found this to be helpful:

http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/switcher-hangout/208133-sage-advice-new-mac-switcher.html

GGJstudios
Nov 30, 2010, 09:51 AM
VIRUSES: You can get them,
No, you can't. While Macs are not immune, there ARE no viruses in the wild that run on current Mac OS X.
they come in many forms. Trojans, spyware, keyloggers, malware, etc etc.
No, viruses, trojans, worms, etc. are forms of malware. Trojans, spyware, keyloggers, etc. are NOT forms of viruses. There's a difference. Read the link I posted for accurate descriptions of each.
DO NOT listen to people who say you CANNOT get them.
As has been stated, you CANNOT get a virus on your Mac, since none have been created that run on current Macs. You CAN get a trojan, since a few exist, but to do so, you must actively download and install it. Read the link I posted for more details.

mario24601
Dec 1, 2010, 07:49 PM
THANK YOU ALL for the replies, great info!!!

I just got my Air from FedEx...a day early...yayyyy! I will be opening it in a few. I really cant wait to see and try it :)

psirix
Dec 1, 2010, 07:50 PM
THANK YOU ALL for the replies, great info!!!

I just got my Air from FedEx...a day early...yayyyy! I will be opening it in a few. I really cant wait to see and try it :)

Congratulations and enjoy! I am still itching to buy one and haven't done it yet...but...I want to :D

mario24601
Dec 1, 2010, 11:03 PM
So what programs should I install? On my PC I use Firefox and VLC. Are these two good for a Mac? If I get Firefox should I install Flash? What other stuff do you guys recommend so I can try out my new Air?

GGJstudios
Dec 1, 2010, 11:07 PM
So what programs should I install? On my PC I use Firefox and VLC. Are these two good for a Mac? If I get Firefox should I install Flash? What other stuff do you guys recommend so I can try out my new Air?
Here's a little light reading that may help: Helpful Information for Any Mac User (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=9848667&postcount=6)

millerb7
Dec 2, 2010, 07:48 AM
No, you can't. While Macs are not immune, there ARE no viruses in the wild that run on current Mac OS X.

No, viruses, trojans, worms, etc. are forms of malware. Trojans, spyware, keyloggers, etc. are NOT forms of viruses. There's a difference. Read the link I posted for accurate descriptions of each.

As has been stated, you CANNOT get a virus on your Mac, since none have been created that run on current Macs. You CAN get a trojan, since a few exist, but to do so, you must actively download and install it. Read the link I posted for more details.

My buddy got a virus on his mac... but as you state, it was not an up to date mac... it was a 2008 model when he got it... so that makes sense as far as the new stuff. I have never had one, just know it's possible as he did.

I know trojans etc. aren't technically "viruses" but the most people, they use it all interchangeably.

millerb7
Dec 2, 2010, 07:53 AM
No, you can't. While Macs are not immune, there ARE no viruses in the wild that run on current Mac OS X.

No, viruses, trojans, worms, etc. are forms of malware. Trojans, spyware, keyloggers, etc. are NOT forms of viruses. There's a difference. Read the link I posted for accurate descriptions of each.

As has been stated, you CANNOT get a virus on your Mac, since none have been created that run on current Macs. You CAN get a trojan, since a few exist, but to do so, you must actively download and install it. Read the link I posted for more details.

Also, to be fair, I DID find a virus for current mac OSX....
















There is this virus out there Macs... it's a plain text file with the following contents:

-----------------------------------------------------------
This OSX virus works on the honor system.

Please delete random files on your hard disk, then forward this message to everyone you know. Thank you for your cooperation.
-----------------------------------------------------------

GGJstudios
Dec 2, 2010, 09:00 AM
My buddy got a virus on his mac... but as you state, it was not an up to date mac... it was a 2008 model when he got it...
No, he didn't. If it was a 2008 model, it was shipped with Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard). If that's what he was running, he did NOT get a virus, as none have ever been found in the wild that run on Leopard or Snow Leopard.
Also, to be fair, I DID find a virus for current mac OSX....
Name one. Just one. You can't, because they don't exist. Stop spreading misinformation.

stockscalper
Dec 2, 2010, 09:05 AM
The only people who say there are viruses on Macs are Windows fanboys and the companies who make and sell virus protection software.

millerb7
Dec 2, 2010, 09:05 AM
No, he didn't. If it was a 2008 model, it was shipped with Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard). If that's what he was running, he did NOT get a virus, as none have ever been found in the wild that run on Leopard or Snow Leopard.

Name one. Just one. You can't, because they don't exist. Stop spreading misinformation.

Wow... apparently somebody has a very strict sense of humor... maybe the whole thing went over your head?

Possibly you are on a 11" MBA and forgot to finish scrolling down on the last post?

Let me know when you get it though ;)

At least I found it humorous.

GGJstudios
Dec 2, 2010, 09:07 AM
Wow... apparently somebody has a very strict sense of humor... maybe the whole thing went over your head?
I saw the lame attempt at humor. I was referring to your claim that your buddy got a virus on a 2008 Mac, which he didn't. There are too many new Mac users who read these threads, under the mistaken impression that Macs have the same virus issues that Windows PCs have, and assume that everything that happens on their Mac that they don't understand is a virus. It's more helpful to them if people post facts, not fiction.

millerb7
Dec 2, 2010, 09:13 AM
I saw the lame attempt at humor. I was referring to your claim that your buddy got a virus on a 2008 Mac, which he didn't. There are too many new Mac users who read these threads, under the mistaken impression that Macs have the same virus issues that Windows PCs have, and assume that everything that happens on their Mac that they don't understand is a virus. It's more helpful to them if people post facts, not fiction.

Whew... grumpy grumpy. I found it humorous at least, that's all that matters. Made me giggle inside.

As far as my buddy, that's at least what I was told. I assume a trojan then is what he had. In no way, shape, or form did I say osx is like windows regarding viruses.

BTW... deep breath ;)

GGJstudios
Dec 2, 2010, 09:17 AM
In no way, shape, or form did I say osx is like windows regarding viruses.
I didn't imply that you did. I said that because there are those who are new to Mac that are under that impression, it's more helpful to THEM if people post facts, not fiction. Your posting false, unsupported claims is not helping. Can we get this thread back on topic now? :rolleyes:

millerb7
Dec 2, 2010, 09:24 AM
I didn't imply that you did. I said that because there are those who are new to Mac that are under that impression, it's more helpful to THEM if people post facts, not fiction. Your posting false, unsupported claims is not helping. Can we get this thread back on topic now? :rolleyes:

Eh, I suppose I'll allow it.

How about:
Never assume there is no way possible to get a virus. Be careful in what you DL and access. Common sense ;)

itommyboy
Dec 2, 2010, 10:12 AM
Yesterday ordered my first MacBook. Been using pc most my life, once I had a Apple IIe but guess that doesn't really count. I ordered a 13 Air Ultimate, shows shipped from China so hope to get in week or so. This will be my first real venture into OSX so I'm excited to try it. The price was about $122 less than regular price directly from Apple.

I do have couple of questions:
Do I need virus protection? All my pcs have Norton 2011. What should I get for the Air?
What's best way to load Win7 on Air? I heard there are couple ways to do it. But not sure what latest and greatest is. Any recommendation?

Been reading this forum for so time, lots of good info. I'm sure now I will be on more!

BTW: I have been using Apple stuff for sometime. Have 3GS, prior had the first gen. I also have 32GB iPad wifi. And the new touch iPod, that kids use.

LOL thread. :D

Hello Mario, congrats on a real nice machine you bought there. Learn it and love it. Also learn to read between the lines around these forums. There are many people who type like they know what is going on and what they are talking about, but all to often do not - like most any forum on the web today. To Macrumors credit there is a ton of very knowledgeable and smart people who post around here as well, you'll get to know and "see" who they are if you have not already.

Now on to your questions. You probably don't need to worry about 3rd party av for Mac - although there is indeed "malware" out there that can and does effect Mac users, you essentially have to type in your password and allow it to run. Simply don't do this, practice safe browsing etc and you'll be fine like 99% of the rest of the Mac world.

If you need Windows, you need Windows. Boot camp allows you to run it natively but you need to reboot your computer into Windows - essentially turning your MBA into a WBA :) If you don't like the thought of having to reboot to use Windows than any of the virtual machine programs already mentioned in this thread will suit your needs. Some like Parallels best, some like VM Fusion best...again opinions are like a$$h0les everyone has one and nobody thinks theirs stinks. They both run in a virtual machine "shell" within Mac OSX giving you access to both OSX and Windows on the fly, so many find it to be the best of both worlds if whatever Windows program(s) you are running aren't super intense.

Play around. Ask questions. Check out Apple's migrating to a mac and mac 101 videos. Most of all, enjoy your renewed :apple: journey and welcome to the Mac fold.

mario24601
Dec 4, 2010, 10:51 AM
Well I have had the Air 13 for a few days now and I can't put it down. I really like it, the speed is perfect for my use (so far). And I think for now I have decided not to install Win7 because I really want to learn OS X.

Couple of things I looked for:
1. Dead pixels - I could not find any using those websites that cycle colors.
2. Creaks - I tried pressing on the palm rest areas and could not hear anything.
3. Fan- It does kick on louder sometime but not too bad...much better than my Dell D430 (that is the old laptop I had been using, going up on ebay soon).
4. Machine marks - I looked pretty thorough with a SureFire flashlight and could not see any imperfections. The build quality is simply amazing.

Anything else that is common problems with the Air? Anything else I should look for?

Everything is so foreign to me, something as simple as uninstalling programs I cant seem to figure out, I guess I just have to keep reading more. I tried Firefox with flash and it seems to drain my battery alot faster so I will stick with Safari. Or do you guys recommend Chrome?

I will be getting Mac Office for it next week, not available until next week through my employer program, but I get it for $10 (US). Not bad right? The full version with Outlook etc.

Any other good programs you recommend? I tried Adium, I am use to using Trillian but Adium seems good too. Haven't tried VLC for mac, is that what you guys use for videos?

Thanks,
Mario

gwsat
Dec 4, 2010, 11:31 AM
Everything is so foreign to me, something as simple as uninstalling programs I cant seem to figure out, I guess I just have to keep reading more. I tried Firefox with flash and it seems to drain my battery alot faster so I will stick with Safari. Or do you guys recommend Chrome?
I have been using Chrome (http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/landing_chrome_mac.html?hl=en&platform=mac) for 18 months and love it. A brand new version, version 8.X was released just this week. Chrome installs Flash for you by default. Although I love Chrome, I don't like to have Flash graphics constantly coming up and shortening battery life. Fortunately, there is a way to have the best of both worlds. I have installed the AdBlock extension for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom) and the FlashBlock extension for Chrome (https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/cdngiadmnkhgemkimkhiilgffbjijcie). Both of these extensions give you control over when Flash is loaded into memory. Highly recommended!

Pipper99
Dec 4, 2010, 06:03 PM
4. Machine marks - I looked pretty thorough with a SureFire flashlight and could not see any imperfections. The build quality is simply amazing.


Ha! I did the same thing with my Surefire Defender LED: using a flashlight with great build quality to check a computer with great build quality. :)

archurban
Dec 4, 2010, 09:05 PM
You won't be downloading any viruses. Almost every virus around comes in the form of a .exe file. You can't even run those on a Mac. Really, don't worry about virus protection.

well, you could if you have bootcamp, want to run windows. there is always an possibility.