iLife: how many computers?

[BIS2]

OK so this is probably a dumb question, but I looked a tthe iLife site and didn't see it. If i buy the regular iLife (NOT family version), how many computers can I put it on? If I have 2 powerbooks, can I put it on both?

Thanks.

[jsw]

Legally, just one. There might be some sort of desktop/notebook workaround, but I think it's per-device.

[sjpetry]

Even if you try to put it on more than 1 computer it won't let you. :cool:

[chameeeleon]

*Gasp* Seriously? The family pack wasn't on the Canadian education page, so I just figured they'd merged them as part of the price hike (hey, it'd be nice) but now I see it's on the normal Canadian page. I've already ordered and was planning on putting it on my iMac and a laptop... Frick.

[jsw]

Looks like Apple is finally cracking down. Previously, there was essentially no checking. I suppose the mini will substantially raise the number of multi-Mac families out there. There goes buying the mini just to yank iLife off of it and stash in on my PM.... ;)

[solvs]

Even if you try to put it on more than 1 computer it won't let you. :cool:
Are you sure? It's never been like that before. Not that I do that :cough: but I guess if it's true, that's why the Family Pack is only $20 more American. It's even worth it for 2 or 3 Macs. I'm sure the Canadian store will update with info on it soon, but you could always call them if it's still not there by the 22nd.

[QCassidy352]

my understanding is that you are legally entitled to put it on one laptop and one desktop for your personal use. Even M$ allows that, I'm pretty sure. It would really bite if apple wouldn't allow that... seems like "fair use" to me!

(not to mention the fact that I think it will really encourage piracy if they are so strict as to thwart legitimate fair use)

[CanadaRAM]

my understanding is that you are legally entitled to put it on one laptop and one desktop for your personal use. Even M$ allows that, I'm pretty sure. It would really bite if apple wouldn't allow that... seems like "fair use" to me!

(not to mention the fact that I think it will really encourage piracy if they are so strict as to thwart legitimate fair use)

You are legally entitled to whatever the end user license agreement entitles you to, no more and no less. Have you read the EULA? Didn't think so. Apple owns the software, you don't - the EULA is the legal contract between yourself and Apple to allow you to use the software under term of the license. http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

"This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time."

*Certain MS products* allow you to install on a desktop and a laptop, as long as one of them is used no more than 20% of the time -- that is a provision in MS's EULA on some but not all of their desktop applications.

"Fair Use" has nothing to do with it - that is a term with a specific meaning. http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

If you are in the US, under the Copyright Law (Title 17) you may make a copy of computer software media for backup purposes only; but not for installing on another machine. http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#117 Other countries may vary.

The option for multiple machines is to spend $20 more for the Family pack. Apple does more than most companies to encourage, not thwart, legitimate use.

[takao]

You are legally entitled to whatever the end user license agreement entitles you to, no more and no less. Have you read the EULA? Didn't think so. Apple owns the software, you don't - the EULA is the legal contract between yourself and Apple to allow you to use the software under term of the license. http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

i'm pretty sure the link to that site is neither printed o nthe box of the computer or ilife ;)
hm iLife'05 is not listed either..so according the law here most "eulas" are completly useless/invalid

and any vendor has only to make _one_ mistake in the EULA (like taking away customer right) and it's invalid as well..like for example it happens/happend with microsoft EULAs where _they_ got sued..

EULAs aren't something where companies can simply demand things and do what they want

at leasts it's this way here (of course some parts like certain copyright parts are seperate laws but those don't include laws concerning on how much pcs you can install it)


and i seriously doubt that apple will use some kind of registration/activation thing microsoft does where you call via phone or something like that

for your conscience go with the family pack... it's not that much more like it is with other software vendors

[Savage Henry]

for your conscience go with the family pack... it's not that much more like it is with other software vendors

That's exactly the view I take.

And I'm pretty sure that the stuff can only go on "one computer with and Apple logo".

[caveman_uk]

Previously iLife had no serial number so there was no way of knowing if you were running the same copy on two machines. I don't know if iLife now has a serial number - does anyone know?

Anyway, as others have said the 'family' version is pretty reasonable actually if you want to stay 'legal'

[Nermal]

iLife does not require a serial number. iWork does.

[CanadaRAM]

i'm pretty sure the link to that site is neither printed o nthe box of the computer or ilife ;)
hm iLife'05 is not listed either..so according the law here most "eulas" are completly useless/invalid


Usually the EULAs are printed on the envelope that the CD comes in (called a "shrinkwrap agreement" in that you agree to it by opening the envelope), and/or in the Installer process where you have to agree to the license to proceed with the installation.

Around here, the issue was that if the license was not readable before you purchased it (that is, on the outside of the box), then the seller could not refuse to take a return of the open box once you had a chance to read the license agreement inside the box. But you couldn't open the CD envelope with the agreement printed on it, and still return it after that.

[caveman_uk]

iLife does not require a serial number. iWork does.
Curious that you can't buy a family pack of iWork....

[wdlove]

*Gasp* Seriously? The family pack wasn't on the Canadian education page, so I just figured they'd merged them as part of the price hike (hey, it'd be nice) but now I see it's on the normal Canadian page. I've already ordered and was planning on putting it on my iMac and a laptop... Frick.

The educational price isn't available with the family pack. Apple just doesn't allow its software on more than one CPU. That is why they offer the family pack, which is a good deal when it allows installation on up to five Mac's. It's a great deal even without the discount, especially if you have more than two computers. Family pack $99, two at regular price would be $148.

[jemeinc]

I'll catch grief for this , but that's OK- I'm a big boy, I can handle it, I view it as a personal license or single user license, & since I'm the only user that has access to my desktop & laptop I'm putting my single user version on both... I know, I know , everyones gonna say "don't take money from Apples' pockets"- in reality I put more than enough money in Apples pocket that I can install this w/out guilt... Sorry, but when it comes to digging in our pockets Apple is second to none- there up there w/ Disney in that area...

[BIS2]

Thanks for the info. Actually I'm a teacher so the price difference for me is $40, which is a bit more but not the end of the world. So my next question is, has anyone found the family pack listed at an EDU price? When I go to the education store, the family pack doesn't seem to be listed as an option.

[Kwyjibo]

if your buying it for your family its unlikely they're all students so I think apple only sells single edu units.

[munkle]

So just to clarify...I wont be able to install iWork on my desktop and my laptop? To do this I will have to buy two separate copies?

Surely that can't be right.

[caveman_uk]

So just to clarify...I wont be able to install iWork on my desktop and my laptop? To do this I will have to buy two separate copies?

Surely that can't be right.
Legally it looks like this is the case though unless you have the software actually running on both machines at the same time it probably won't be able to tell. I'm not telling you to do this but this is most likely the case.

[munkle]

Legally it looks like this is the case though unless you have the software actually running on both machines at the same time it probably won't be able to tell. I'm not telling you to do this but this is most likely the case.

If iWork requires a serial number, is it even going to be possible to install it on two different machines?

[Benj]

Even if you try to put it on more than 1 computer it won't let you. :cool:

Hmmmm. Obviously I would never do this :rolleyes: but hypothetically, you're wrong.

And it is very tight of Apple not to let you put the software on your desktop and laptop. You'd think that they would reward people who buy one of each.

[javabear90]

Yes, as a matter of fact. I have a copy of iWork/iPhoto/iMovie. ('05) There is a seiral # for iWork. However all it does is ask you for the #, you put it in and go on about your life. Nothing special. I also have iLife '05 and iWork installed on two separate computers. So I hope this anwsers some questions.

PS. iWork r0x0rZ

[combatcolin]

OK so this is probably a dumb question, but I looked a tthe iLife site and didn't see it. If i buy the regular iLife (NOT family version), how many computers can I put it on? If I have 2 powerbooks, can I put it on both?

Thanks.

Unless iLife 05 actually stops you installng on multiple Macs then you can install on as many as you like.

All software is overpriced, including from Apple and i have no problem breaking "home licenses".

Others do differ from me but if you've paid your money....

[garybUK]

Usually these things check over a network, if you have say Keynote open on one machine with a serial number then try and open it on another machine in the same subnet then it will error saying there is already a user with that serial on the network.

I can't see iLife doing this sort of check, which app's would they build this into? iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto?? They wouldn't put a random key on the cd as they are printed from gold masters, this would be far too expensive.

Unless it's in the installer, in which case pull your network cable out, install it and bobs your uncle.

[bigandy]

i remember when i started at uni we were running office V.x on the macs there. they wouldn't pay for all the licenses so we installed it on all the machines. when you came to fire up word, or excel and someone else on the local LAN was using it already it said "there is only one license for office. office will now quit."

you just pulled out the network cable and fired it up again, and it was fine.

two years down the line and the university paid for all our copies of office 2004. although i'm not bothered about giving microsoft ANY money, just apple. lol.

maybe ilife/iwork or both will do something like that.

[Timelessblur]

I honestly dont see apple working with univiersty to cut a deal with them to get out there products.

I know M$ is very helpful education wise it comes to that. I know my school pays M$ a several mil a year for the right to give out most of there products to the students. But when you talking about 27+k students that really a great deal and something like 1K plus of software for most students that really is a good deal (basicly the highest level of most of MS software for both Macs and PCs).
Apple just doest not really do that. I not going to complain about MS doing what it does I going to give them props and quite glad that they are doing that. Considering I got Office 03 pro, Visal studios and I would say XP pro but I already had that but either way just the first 2 alone break 1k by a good margen. The is more advible but I had no use for it so I never bother getting it.

[denm316]

The current way retail copies of Office work(for windows) are that there is a cd-key entered during the install which enables the product to run for 30 days. Within that 30 day period you must activate via the internet.

This is how Microsoft now stops serial number abuse, they also do this on some retail copies of Windows XP.

[Mantat]

All software is overpriced, including from Apple and i have no problem breaking "home licenses".



You are displaying your ignorance right there. Software cost ridiculous amount to code and this amount keep increasing.

Of course, product who are found on 90% of all pc (ex: windows) could be sold for much lower price but when you are talking about somethign that will be used by a fraction of the market, there is a big dif.

Software developpement risk are extremely high, so you need a very high yeild to invest in it because for every product that sell well, there might be 10 that fail. So you need to cover that too. I am not even talking about the fact that you need to support the product for a few years after that.

Obviously, you dont work in the software industry. I do, would I see an idiot with a pirated copy of my product, I would smash his head on the concrete.

There is no excuse for software piracy when you are an user that benefit from the software! None! If you get benefit from the softare, you have to pay for it! If you dont think the price is fair, buy an used copy of an older version or get a shareware equivalent. If you cant find any, maybe it means that the software is so important to you that it deserve to be paid for!

To be back on the topic:
Edu pricing isnt related at all with the fact that the product would be used in school or for school work. Its only a perk people working in the edu world have, that is all. I worked at an university (staff) and was eligible for edu rebates the only restriction is that it should not be used to make money with.

[combatcolin]

No sympathy mate.

Software is overpriced.

[Mantat]

No sympathy mate.

Software is overpriced.

Elaborate? Explain yourself?

Comments like that only do two things:
- show your ignorance
- frustrate me to see that other might share your point of view, without valid argument

But I guess that what ever YOU do, you probably deserve a raise, that you are underpaid and governement take too much taxes... Or you simply are a student and dont know the value of money...

edit: stupid typo

[munkle]

No sympathy mate.

Software is overpriced.

:rolleyes:

Mantat, I feel for you trying to talk sense into this guy. Some people are just too ignorant. And how could you possibly compete after a great comeback line like that?! :rolleyes: Pr**k.

[combatcolin]

How can companys justify asking buckets of cash for a product and then give the bugger away for free in a few years.

Face it, people pirate because they don't want to pay massive rip off prices.

Look at DVD and CD sales, never been higher because they are well priced.

So get off your high horse and taste real life.

If its good and affordable i'll consider it.

If its good but overpriced i'll obtain it by other means and feel no guilt.

Open Source has shown us that good software need not be stupid prices.

And on a last note, should only people who work in the Software industry be paid high wages and earn respect?

Thought not.

[Abstract]

If I buy software and install it on 2 computers, I don't feel guilty. I almost feel as if its a single user agreement, meaning that I won't give the software to anybody else. As long as I'm the person using the software, I don't feel like I'm doing anything criminal. I only find it criminal to give the software to a friend, or spread it around the internet or something. That is clearly wrong, but I feel that using the software you purchased on your own laptop and desktop to me is the equivalent of jay-walking.

If iWork requires a serial number, is it even going to be possible to install it on two different machines?

If you aren't hooked up to the internet, it would be difficult for the software to NOT be installed. But as described in this thread already, there are ways around that. The problem is that under System Requirements, it must also say that you require an internet connection to use your software, since software companies use it to check and make sure that your copy of the software only gets installed on a single computer. But it must ask for internet connection under the Requirements. It should also state the EULA on the box, not just INSIDE the box.

[Abstract]

iLife does not require a serial number. iWork does.

That's what I thought when I was reading the posts before yours. I thought I was getting a bit confused about the situation, but now I KNOW I'm confused.

As far as I know, iWorks asks for a serial number, but iLife 05 does not.

[Duff-Man]

And on a last note, should only people who work in the Software industry be paid high wages and earn respect?

Thought not.Duff-Man says....you talk about earning respect, but you won't respect the license agreements for the software you use....hmmm.

Anyway....it has been my experience on this board (and others) that raely will you get a hard-core pirate like this person to change their mind and respect license agreements so I suggest just letting the thread die instead of flogging it to death a thousand times over....oh yeah!

[combatcolin]

I have never pirated any software, not now, nor when i had a Spectrum and Amiga years ago or my iMac 6 years ago.

Just been given it by my friends when the subject pops up in conversation.

[combatcolin]

Actually, now i come to think about virtually all the bloggo software i use is for the PC.

I've bought more non - game software for my Mac than Games