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99 Cent Tacos
Dec 2, 2010, 11:57 AM
So after much deliberation, I finally decided on the 11.6 Macbook Air "Ultimate" configuration. This was a tougher decision to make than I thought. I was well prepared to purchase the 13 inch model purely for spec reasons, which include the longer battery life, SSD card reader, screen real estate, not to mention more processing power.

But after reading all the great feedback on the 11 inch model here in the forums, I went ahead and took the plunge and purchased the ultimate and couldn't be more satisfied. Already owning a 15' I7 MBP that serves as my main powerhouse for photo and video editing (CS5 and LR3), I needed a more portable solution since I travel once a week. I initially had concerns about the screen size being too small for my middle age eyes but it hasn't been a problem at all. Quite frankly, this laptop is such a joy to use and carry around that I can't imagine my MBP leaving the workstation unless I had a need for more processing power for client events, which I imagine would be few and far between.

I'm still amazed at the capability of this little powerhouse and am extremely happy with my purchase. Kudos to Apple for another technological wonder and thank you members of MacRumors forums for all the information which helped me with my decision. It took almost a month of going back and forth the Apple Store and Best Buy and I' m sure the employees were wondering if I actually lived there, but in the end, I'm very happy.

Thanks again!



teski
Dec 2, 2010, 12:20 PM
Congrats on your purchase, and it's great to see someone so happy with their new item. It's also great to see that you took the time to look at what you needed vs. what you thought you wanted. All too often, people get caught up in specs and/or hype end wind up wasting $$$ on restocking fees because they bought the wrong thing.

For me, the 13" ultimate was the best choice, but of course the 11" looked so small and sexy. As much as I wanted an 11" machine, I know I would have wound up swapping it out for the 13".

foiden
Dec 2, 2010, 01:23 PM
I went back forth as well. Ended up settling on the 13". But boy did I want that sexy 11" Ultimate. However, I knew my decision would be for a while, so I went with something that'll help me plan out future purchases, down the line.

Ultimately, screen dimension, battery life, and built-in high-speed card reader edged it out for me. Still, the 11" Ultimate is a fine machine, so incredible that it does almost everything in such a tiny form.

Walter Bell
Dec 2, 2010, 02:18 PM
I have an Ultimate 11 and have been pretty happy with the machine so far. However, I will be returning it for the 13" today. I probably will just go for the base model 13" because I haven't exceeded 2 GB's of ram at this time and will probably upgrade in another 2-3 years anyways. For me the bigger high reas ( i think alot people overlook the 1440x900) screen, larger battery, double cache memory, SD card slot, and not to mention faster CPU are all my deciding factors.

To me I look at this decision like buying a 2 door or a 4 door car (in my case I own a GTi). The 4 doors is a lot more practical plus has other bonus features. But the 2 door looks better and is more sporty. I eneded up with the 2 door, and now wish I would have gotten the 4 door. Same thing with the MBA. The 11.6 is awesome, but the 13" is just the better choice for what I will be doing.

Just my .02

bdeitemeyer
Dec 2, 2010, 08:48 PM
I'm stuck in this predicament at the moment between the 11.6 Ultimate and 13.3 Ultimate. I've tried out both at my local Apple store, but they're both wonderful machines with their own pros & cons. Do you 11.6 Ultimate owners have any regrets over not picking up a 13.3?

Walter Bell
Dec 2, 2010, 08:50 PM
I'm stuck in this predicament at the moment between the 11.6 Ultimate and 13.3 Ultimate. I've tried out both at my local Apple store, but they're both wonderful machines with their own pros & cons. Do you 11.6 Ultimate owners have any regrets over not picking up a 13.3?

Not sure if you read my post above, but I am typing this on my new base model 13.3" MBA. Even though I loved the 11.6, it just wasnt comfortable for me to use. I will be doing the 13.3 + iPad combo so this works perfectly for me.

bcaslis
Dec 2, 2010, 08:51 PM
I'm stuck in this predicament at the moment between the 11.6 Ultimate and 13.3 Ultimate. I've tried out both at my local Apple store, but they're both wonderful machines with their own pros & cons. Do you 11.6 Ultimate owners have any regrets over not picking up a 13.3?

It's really very subjective to what you want. If you lean to portability over larger screen size (or storage) the 11" is better. I returned a 13" ultimate to the store for the 11". But if it's your only Mac, the 13" might be better. Really depends on what you are looking for.

Walter Bell
Dec 2, 2010, 09:13 PM
It's really very subjective to what you want. If you lean to portability over larger screen size (or storage) the 11" is better. I returned a 13" ultimate to the store for the 11". But if it's your only Mac, the 13" might be better. Really depends on what you are looking for.

I think the 11.6 would make a great primary computer with a monitor/keyboard/mouse setup at home. But if you don't have that (no space here), it does it get tedious using it as your sole computer.

Just try the 11.6 first, see if it works. If it doesnt exchange it for the 13.3 Thats what I did, and from what it seems like on the forums, the restocking fee is being waived for most users (including myself).

psirix
Dec 2, 2010, 09:19 PM
I'm also in a similar predicament. I was originally glued to the 13", but now I really like the 11.6" as well. I think I'm leaning towards the 11.6" now since it is not going to be my primary machine and I want a MBA for the portability. However, I am not confident in myself yet! Primarily because I suppose I don't really need the machine but hey, I'm a geek :D

steve31
Dec 2, 2010, 09:44 PM
Congrats..Love mine!!!

Dammit Cubs
Dec 2, 2010, 10:03 PM
congratulations. The size of the 11.6 is just the best feature. it's just amazingly portable and that's hard to say considering the 13 inch is just so thin and portable. It's like splitting the atom and then shrinking it...again.

I was worried the 11.6 wouldn't be enough for me but I was so wrong. It's perfect!!! I'm loving my purchase and makes me wonder if other I really need my mac mini.

Also, after using your computer for a month. Try and look at some of those computers at best buy and frys. Everything look so bloated.

cobaltrich27
Dec 2, 2010, 10:34 PM
I just got my MBA-U 11.6" and love it!!!

First thing I did was Bootcamp it with Win7 Enterprise 64bit just to make sure there was no issues. I didnt have any problem deciding to get the ultimate version 4GB RAM was actually a must needing the capablity to use virtual machines etc...

I have a 13" & 15" Macbook Pro's and been wanting/waiting/hoping the smaller model rumors having 4GB RAM were true. I was so happy for this MBA refresh/redesign.

I too was wanting to get a Mac Mini for my home theater and was so close to getting one untill these newer MBA came out glad I waited. I can even hook this puppy up to my 65" 1080P and watch blu-ray's etc...

Great portability with lots of power and style.

IMO for those still in a dilema I think if you dont have a decent 13" or 15" portable then you should probably get one of those for now then when you got extra cash and want a toy with lots of power then spring for the 11.6". I still need and depend on my other units for more professional use but having this 11.6" comes in handy for the home theater, lounging and still lots of power.

I also do lots of traveling this 11.6" powehouse along with my iPad are great companions in small light weight design.

I Love it :D

99 Cent Tacos
Dec 3, 2010, 10:53 AM
Thanks everyone. Apple certainly has a way of specing their hardware, in particular the MBA, to make these types of decisions tough. The 13.3 is a spectacular machine that can serve as a primary computer for most people. However, since I already have a vary capable 15" MBP, the 11.6 was the perfect complement in terms of ultra-portability and power. If this were to be my only computer, it would have easily been the 13.3" for me.

I agree in the observation that once you have this machine and used it for a good amount of time, all other laptops look large, bloated, and dare I say it, old. Steve Jobs was right on in saying this is the future of notebooks. Sure it's an older processor, it lacks the card reader and other ports, and the lighted keyboard (which I believe will probably be in a future refresh. But it's the price you pay for early adoption). But the huge upside, particularly for frequent travelers like myself, is that you have all this power and capability that feels like you are carrying NOTHING at all. You work on this beauty on an airplane tray table and it fits perfectly. Having to carry and tote around other gear and luggage, this is certainly a net plus, and those who travel frequently know that every ounce and inch matters when you have to haul luggage through the airport, TSA, and in a crowded and cramped plane.

One other consideration for the ultimate is the resell value. When upgrade time comes in a year or so, I'm sure this model will get the least depreciation of all 11.6 configs.

Cheers

bowlerman625
Dec 3, 2010, 11:44 AM
Congrats and enjoy! I do like mine very much.

Wicked1
Dec 3, 2010, 11:54 AM
I bought the Ultimate 13" and it is really nice however I need to keep either my uMB 13" Classic or my 2009 Mini because there is just not enough space and power in the MBA 13.

Is anyone using the MBA either 11 or 13 as their primary machine?

teski
Dec 3, 2010, 02:49 PM
I bought the Ultimate 13" and it is really nice however I need to keep either my uMB 13" Classic or my 2009 Mini because there is just not enough space and power in the MBA 13.

Is anyone using the MBA either 11 or 13 as their primary machine?

I am. What power do you need? I run all of the Office 2011 apps, Photoshop CS5 everyday, iTunes, safari, Firefox, among other apps and have run into zero issues on my MBA 13" Ultimate.

What the heck are you doing with yours? Maybe intense gaming or video editing would be areas where you'd hit issues.

netbeans
Dec 3, 2010, 03:35 PM
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Is anyone using the MBA either 11 or 13 as their primary machine?

Yes. I am using my MBA 11 as my primary machine. Loving it.

gwsat
Dec 3, 2010, 03:53 PM
I bought the Ultimate 13" and it is really nice however I need to keep either my uMB 13" Classic or my 2009 Mini because there is just not enough space and power in the MBA 13.

Is anyone using the MBA either 11 or 13 as their primary machine?
My 13 inch Ultimate MBA is now my primary machine. Indeed, the principal reason I bought this model was its 256GB of flash storage. It runs multiple Windows apps under VMware Fusion, simultaneously with multiple OS X apps with as much speed and stability as I had on my MBP with 6GB of RAM. Although I have been using it just about all day every day for the past six weeks it has proved itself up to the task. I couldn't be happier.

I, too, was intrigued by the 11 inch MBA but had to pass it over primarily because its 128GB of flash storage would not have been enough to support all my programs and data. I was also worried that my aging eyes might not be up to the task of dealing with such a small screen all day every day.

99 Cent Tacos
Dec 10, 2010, 07:57 PM
Well, after using this laptop for another week and doing some traveling around the southwesten U.S., I have to conclude that this is the best laptop ever! Maybe not the best or most powerful computer, but in terms of what I need to do, the ultra-portability, and the sexiness, the MBA 11.6 gets more attention than my 15" MBP these days. I'm actually considering this to be my main laptop or (gasp) even selling my MBP!

The screen size and readability has not been a factor at all. Amazing how you shouldn't judge a piece of equipment alone. Quoting a little Jedi Master, size matters not.

To my delight, my local Apple Store had an InCase neoprene sleeve for the MacBook Air. While I believe this is for the previous generation's 13" size, the 11 fits nicely and is well protected in my briefcase.

bcaslis
Dec 10, 2010, 08:12 PM
Glad the 11" is working for you. The 11" isn't a spec pleaser but it certainly has that "something". In some ways I'd have to say I "like" it more than any other Mac in recent history. There's just something about it's size that makes it more "personal" than other Macs. It will be very interesting to see what Apple sales numbers for it will be.

Cerano
Dec 10, 2010, 08:54 PM
glad its working out for you mate

i put my money down for one still waiting for my ultimate 11.6

D-Love
Dec 10, 2010, 09:54 PM
I also have the 11.6 but don't have the "ultimate". I have the 128GB and the 4 gigs of RAM, but stayed with the 1.4 processor. I was already stretching my budget as it is and the difference between the .4 and .6 wasn't a big deal. The upgrade in RAM is the big thing here with these machines.

I gotta say I was afraid I was making a potentially bad decision based on pure sex appeal of this thing but I've been proven wrong. This thing has no business being this fast based on the pure specs. Incredible laptop, this will be my portable/secondary/couch machine for the next 3 years I imagine. Very happy.

Cerano
Dec 10, 2010, 10:34 PM
I also have the 11.6 but don't have the "ultimate". I have the 128GB and the 4 gigs of RAM, but stayed with the 1.4 processor. I was already stretching my budget as it is and the difference between the .4 and .6 wasn't a big deal. The upgrade in RAM is the big thing here with these machines.

I gotta say I was afraid I was making a potentially bad decision based on pure sex appeal of this thing but I've been proven wrong. This thing has no business being this fast based on the pure specs. Incredible laptop, this will be my portable/secondary/couch machine for the next 3 years I imagine. Very happy.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4000/apples-11inch-upgraded-macbook-air-review-do-16ghz-and-4gb-make-a-difference/3

D-Love
Dec 10, 2010, 10:58 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4000/apples-11inch-upgraded-macbook-air-review-do-16ghz-and-4gb-make-a-difference/3
Yep, saw that article. LITTLE less CPU power = barely noticeable performance, and only in specific apps. Less voltage used = slightly higher battery life. Worth the trade-off. Thought about getting the 13 for the better performance and battery life, but the 11 somehow makes even that seem large. I think if I was dealing with the 11 being my primary machine for a long time it would have pushed me towards the 13. As a secondary machine this 11 has no equal. As long as I make sure its fully charged before I leave the house I have no problem with battery life throughout the day.

ski bum
Dec 11, 2010, 05:42 PM
I have an 11" MBA ultimate; I have had Thinkpads (2), Dell (2), Toshiba laptops and similar # of Desktops; currently 22" iMAC.

The 11" MBA has everything that I ever wished for in a laptop--fast, light, decent memory. granted, I do not expect to run Final Cut with it. But Iphoto, web videos are fine. every program for work or "play" boots up and loads up faster than and runs as fast as any other laptop I've used.

considered IPAD, but true multitasking, MAC OS, real keyboard for similar weight is advantage. I do not miss shorter half life from IPAD--easily lasts one day of work, and often two.

with control + multi touch swipe to zoom, don't even miss IPAD interface or 13" screen.

gb1631
Dec 11, 2010, 07:27 PM
Congrats! I love my MBA 11"(Maxed out) too! It is not my sole computer and I will be using my iMac i7 for the majority of stuff. The MBA will be used for travel mostly!

gwsat
Dec 12, 2010, 11:28 AM
The 11" MBA has everything that I ever wished for in a laptop--fast, light, decent memory. granted, I do not expect to run Final Cut with it. But Iphoto, web videos are fine. every program for work or "play" boots up and loads up faster than and runs as fast as any other laptop I've used.

considered IPAD, but true multitasking, MAC OS, real keyboard for similar weight is advantage. I do not miss shorter half life from IPAD--easily lasts one day of work, and often two.
I agree that the iPad can't do nearly as much as a real computer running OS X. Now that the iPad supports multitasking thanks to iOS 4.2, though, it is a lot better. Perhaps the best thing about the iPad is its incredible battery life. I've never seen anything like it. My iPad is still my go to device for Web browsing while I am watching TV or wandering around. Nevertheless, for everything else I use my 13 inch Ultimate MBA.

99 Cent Tacos
Dec 12, 2010, 12:19 PM
I also have an iPad 32 GB with 3G and I agree that it serves a different purpose. It's more for consumption rather than production for me. It travels perfectly with my MBA for checking emails, quick review and edits of docs on the go. Its amazing battery life, instant on, and 3G on demand is great for my needs. And when I just need to lay back on the couch or the bedroom to read the WSJ, an ebook, netflix or surf the internet, nothing beats it.

I can't imagine letting go of my iPad until the next upgrade.

Beanoir
Dec 12, 2010, 03:42 PM
It's funny, but i've never ever heard of Apple referring to any of their computers as "Ultimate"

For anybody reading that doesn't understand the crass terminology, the term "Ultimate" used on this forum means somebody has a top of the range version of the bottom of the range Apple notebook...

KPOM
Dec 12, 2010, 03:53 PM
It's funny, but i've never ever heard of Apple referring to any of their computers as "Ultimate"

For anybody reading that doesn't understand the crass terminology, the term "Ultimate" used on this forum means somebody has a top of the range version of the bottom of the range Apple notebook...

I think the MacBook is the bottom of the range. It has no SSD option at all.

Beanoir
Dec 12, 2010, 04:08 PM
I think the MacBook is the bottom of the range. It has no SSD option at all.

I'm sure it will come the next update. But it's got a whole host more than the MBA to be honest, faster processor, longer batt life, superdrive etc etc.

If you want a small laptop and lets face its a "netbook" then the MBA is great, I love mine, but don't kid ourselves, it's the bottom of the range in terms of spec, by a long way too. It just looks fancy.

fswmacguy
Dec 12, 2010, 05:12 PM
If you want a small laptop and lets face its a "netbook" then the MBA is great, I love mine, but don't kid ourselves, it's the bottom of the range in terms of spec, by a long way too. It just looks fancy.

I beg to differ.

A netbook has a baby processor, like an Intel Atom; the MBA has a Core 2 Duo. A netbook has integrated graphics; the MBA has a standalone Nvidia 320M. A netbook has a cramped keyboard; the MBA has a full-sized keyboard. A netbook has a plastic crack-on-impact shell clearly manufactured by Fisher Price; the MBA has a unibody aluminum construction.

I agree, it's not quite a notebook, but it's definitely not a netbook.

bniu
Dec 12, 2010, 05:29 PM
i was going to go get an 11" MBA but ultimately decided that I'm going to go in the other direction and go grab a 17" MBP!

weckart
Dec 12, 2010, 06:21 PM
I beg to differ.

A netbook has a baby processor, like an Intel Atom; the MBA has a Core 2 Duo. A netbook has integrated graphics; the MBA has a standalone Nvidia 320M. A netbook has a cramped keyboard; the MBA has a full-sized keyboard. A netbook has a plastic crack-on-impact shell clearly manufactured by Fisher Price; the MBA has a unibody aluminum construction.

I agree, it's not quite a notebook, but it's definitely not a netbook.

Not to burst your bubble, but the nVidia 320M is integrated and shares the onboard RAM (up to 256MB of it). The keyboard on the 11.6" is not quite full size with smaller return, arrow and function keys.
Not all netbooks are made of fragile plastics either, by the way, unlike my Macbook.

gwsat
Dec 12, 2010, 07:53 PM
It's funny, but i've never ever heard of Apple referring to any of their computers as "Ultimate"

For anybody reading that doesn't understand the crass terminology, the term "Ultimate" used on this forum means somebody has a top of the range version of the bottom of the range Apple notebook...
"Ultimate" is used as handy shorthand to describe the fully loaded MBAs but you probably already knew that. It works for me and a lot of other MBA owners who post here.

In the interest of clarity I have provided both my MBA's processor speed and the amount of its storage in my sig but in my posts habitually describe it as the Ultimate model. It works for many of us so why not relax, smell the roses, and go with the flow? One poster's "crass" is another's clear and concise description. Think about it.

Cerano
Dec 12, 2010, 08:54 PM
I'm sure it will come the next update. But it's got a whole host more than the MBA to be honest, faster processor, longer batt life, superdrive etc etc.

If you want a small laptop and lets face its a "netbook" then the MBA is great, I love mine, but don't kid ourselves, it's the bottom of the range in terms of spec, by a long way too. It just looks fancy.

go look at the benchmarks then come back again and look if its really faster

KPOM
Dec 12, 2010, 10:00 PM
I'm sure it will come the next update. But it's got a whole host more than the MBA to be honest, faster processor, longer batt life, superdrive etc etc.

If you want a small laptop and lets face its a "netbook" then the MBA is great, I love mine, but don't kid ourselves, it's the bottom of the range in terms of spec, by a long way too. It just looks fancy.

It's quite possible that there is no "next update" to the MacBook and that it is just the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro after the Pro gets its update next year. The 13" Air, by virtue of its SSD, outperforms the base MacBook on almost all real world tests. They have the same IGP, similar battery life, and the processor speed difference is negligible, especially considering that the 1.86GHz and 2.13GHz Penryn chips have 6MB of L2 cache compared to 3MB in the 2.4GHz in the MacBook.

As for the Superdrive, the MacBook Air has one available, but it is external. Plus, it should be pretty obvious by now that Apple sees optical drives as dead-end technology and is phasing them out.

Beanoir
Dec 13, 2010, 03:52 AM
I'm sorry guys, you can make the "benchmark" comparisons, and anything else you like, the fact is the MBA is the base model notebook, end of story. We all know these benchmark programs are not real world comparisons.

And for those wishing to add that Apple may not be updating the Macbook and phasing it out (which by the way i've not heard of happening yet) then it just bolsters my point even further.

As I said before, it's not stopped me buying one to replace my PC netbook, I think they are good, but i'm in no way blinded by the fact that it's a entry level model into the Apple netbook stable.

Beanoir
Dec 13, 2010, 03:55 AM
I beg to differ.

A netbook has a baby processor, like an Intel Atom; the MBA has a Core 2 Duo. A netbook has integrated graphics; the MBA has a standalone Nvidia 320M. A netbook has a cramped keyboard; the MBA has a full-sized keyboard. A netbook has a plastic crack-on-impact shell clearly manufactured by Fisher Price; the MBA has a unibody aluminum construction.

I agree, it's not quite a notebook, but it's definitely not a netbook.

What?? The MBA has a baby processor, Netbooks have full sized keyboards (i.e. Samsung NC10 etc), a unibody construction has nothing to do with the definition of a netbook.

A netbook is defined by form and function, not by numbers and spec. I wanted a decent netbook, so I bought a 11" MBA.

dmelgar
Dec 13, 2010, 03:01 PM
I'm sorry guys, you can make the "benchmark" comparisons, and anything else you like, the fact is the MBA is the base model notebook, end of story.

I'd hardly call the 11" MBA a 'base model netbook'.

Its probably the most expensive computer per pound you can buy.
It pushes the limits of how small you can make usable powerful laptop.
It is very innovative with its use of SSD without the case, aluminum unibody construction, amazing thinness.

To the contrary, I consider the 11" MBA the most premium laptop around providing the most function in a tiny yet usable package.

Beanoir
Dec 14, 2010, 03:43 AM
I'd hardly call the 11" MBA a 'base model netbook'.

Its probably the most expensive computer per pound you can buy.
It pushes the limits of how small you can make usable powerful laptop.
It is very innovative with its use of SSD without the case, aluminum unibody construction, amazing thinness.

To the contrary, I consider the 11" MBA the most premium laptop around providing the most function in a tiny yet usable package.

Eh?? If you were reading the thread, you'd see this comment is regarding Apple's line of notebooks, in which case I can't see the MBA being their premium model considering a top spec MBP costs (or could cost) 2 or even 3 times as much.

gwsat
Dec 14, 2010, 09:13 AM
Eh?? If you were reading the thread, you'd see this comment is regarding Apple's line of notebooks, in which case I can't see the MBA being their premium model considering a top spec MBP costs (or could cost) 2 or even 3 times as much.
You are right that a maxed out MBP can cost two or three times as much an an 11 inch MBA. An MBP, though, can weigh nearly three times as much as the 11 inch MBA so the OP was overly broad when he said that the 11 inch MBA is "the most premium laptop." Obviously, it isn't. I believe, though that had the OP claimed the 11 inch MBA is the "most premium" netbook size laptop, he would have been absolutely right. There is nothing available on the market at the moment that can match the 11 inch MBA's combination of power, small size, and light weight.

Rob.G
Dec 14, 2010, 10:43 AM
I continue to be amazed at how fast the 11" MBA feels. It really does feel as fast as, or faster than, my 17" MBP. Now, I love the MBP for its screen size and enormous screen resolution. But I love the MBA for its tiny size and weight. I spent an hour and a half on the couch last night with the MBA, and could type on it easily, without it burning my lap, or getting to heavy, or anything. It was great! I haven't had such a nice "computing" experience since I got my iPad. :)

I'm really starting to see how much a computer's speed is based on its disk access. Since the MBA is SSD, it's lightening fast. But even the CPU is no slouch. While on the couch last night, I was installing fink. It takes a while to install because it compiles a lot of stuff, and watching it in a terminal window, it was hauling. Every bit as fast as my MBP. And I was installing CS5 updates at the same time.

Whichever Air you choose, you'll love it. If you need the small size, I see no reason to not consider the 11". The ONLY drawback, IMO, is the SSD size, and I'm hoping there will be a 256 gig option in the near future.

Rob

Beanoir
Dec 14, 2010, 12:23 PM
You are right that a maxed out MBP can cost two or three times as much an an 11 inch MBA. An MBP, though, can weigh nearly three times as much as the 11 inch MBA so the OP was overly broad when he said that the 11 inch MBA is "the most premium laptop." Obviously, it isn't. I believe, though that had the OP claimed the 11 inch MBA is the "most premium" netbook size laptop, he would have been absolutely right. There is nothing available on the market at the moment that can match the 11 inch MBA's combination of power, small size, and light weight.

Thank you! And I completely concur with that statement.

lovelaptops
Dec 17, 2010, 12:42 PM
I beg to differ.

A netbook has a baby processor, like an Intel Atom; the MBA has a Core 2 Duo. A netbook has integrated graphics; the MBA has a standalone Nvidia 320M. A netbook has a cramped keyboard; the MBA has a full-sized keyboard. A netbook has a plastic crack-on-impact shell clearly manufactured by Fisher Price; the MBA has a unibody aluminum construction.

I agree, it's not quite a notebook, but it's definitely not a netbook.

I'm sure it will come the next update. But it's got a whole host more than the MBA to be honest, faster processor, longer batt life, superdrive etc etc.

If you want a small laptop and lets face its a "netbook" then the MBA is great, I love mine, but don't kid ourselves, it's the bottom of the range in terms of spec, by a long way too. It just looks fancy.

I expect to be flamed for saying this, but an 11.6" Acer 1830T netbook with Core i5um cpu , 4GB DDR3 RAM and a 500GB HDD costs $600 and, other than the lack of an SSD (one could add a 128GB one for around $150) it is the functional equal of the MBA 11 Ultimate (though prob. 15 sec. longer boot time). By "equal," I mean in performance; it isn't in the same league in terms of design and quality. Oh yeah, it doesn't have the graphics bones either, but the MBA's are weak-ish and, besides, how many game on their 11.6 notebooks - and if they do, why wouldn't they get an Alienware M11X for $799?

I would call this (the Acer 1830T) a "poor man's (or woman's) MBA 11. Let's be fair, though, some people can't afford $1,200 for a netbook (or a notebook, for that matter) and we shouldn't dis them or the people who buy them. But neither should proponents of that product dis the MBA 11 Ultimate as "waste of money" or an "Apple tax."

I'm really tired of fanatical posts...:rolleyes:

Rob.G
Dec 17, 2010, 12:55 PM
I expect to be flamed for saying this, but an 11.6" Acer 1830T netbook with Core i5um cpu , 4GB DDR3 RAM and a 500GB HDD costs $600 and, other than the lack of an SSD (one could add a 128GB one for around $150) it is the functional equal of the MBA 11 Ultimate (though prob. 15 sec. longer boot time). By "equal," I mean in performance; it isn't in the same league in terms of design and quality. Oh yeah, it doesn't have the graphics bones either, but the MBA's are weak-ish and, besides, how many game on their 11.6 notebooks - and if they do, why wouldn't they get an Alienware M11X for $799?

I would call this (the Acer 1830T) a "poor man's (or woman's) MBA 11. Let's be fair, though, some people can't afford $1,200 for a netbook (or a notebook, for that matter) and we shouldn't dis them or the people who buy them. But neither should proponents of that product dis the MBA 11 Ultimate as "waste of money" or an "Apple tax."

I agree that the Acer is a valid "functional" equivalent, but yeah, it can't hold a candle to the build quality. And what are you going to run on it? Windows?? Linux? Good luck in both cases. Windows is hopelessly flawed is so many ways, and even though I've been a Linux-head for fifteen years, I gave up on it because (1) I don't like Ubuntu, and (2) Fedora hasn't been able to produce a bug-free release in years. Too much work to make it run.

Everyday I use my Mac, the more I love it. OSX isn't perfect, but it's by and large THE best OS out there.

Rob

lovelaptops
Dec 18, 2010, 08:41 AM
I agree that the Acer is a valid "functional" equivalent, but yeah, it can't hold a candle to the build quality. And what are you going to run on it? Windows?? Linux? Good luck in both cases. Windows is hopelessly flawed is so many ways, and even though I've been a Linux-head for fifteen years, I gave up on it because (1) I don't like Ubuntu, and (2) Fedora hasn't been able to produce a bug-free release in years. Too much work to make it run.

Everyday I use my Mac, the more I love it. OSX isn't perfect, but it's by and large THE best OS out there.

Rob

I agree that a Mac running OSX is unmatched for efficiency and simply amazing "cooperation" between software and hardware. That said, Windows 7 is the first Windows product I have ever used (have to for work. Like to because I have to have an extremely powerful desktop rig.) that really doesn't crash (like once every two months) and runs smoothly. However, it does not get 1/2 the battery life of a Mac running the same Intel components and does not offer the iLife suite which, if you are into those endeavors, is remarkable as a "part of the computer, no extra charge." Also, of all the successful loads of OSX onto non-Apple machines - but machines with the same basic components of MBPs - it runs about as well as Windows on the same computer. Moral of story: tight integration between hdwe and OS is what makes a computer, well, zoom1

I still am dumbfounded that you can't get a blu ray drive on any MBP, ditto eSata, HDMI, ExpressCard except MBP 17. All computer makers appear to omit obvious needs of consumers, things that would have minimal cost impact (Apple knows people need backlit keyboards, most others fail to provide it, even though when they do it's a $25 upgrade, so what was the big deal all along?

Ok, this thread accidentally became yet another Mac vs Windows thing by virtue of comparisons of MBP 11 to a netbook, which by def is a windows machine.

Beanoir
Dec 18, 2010, 09:29 AM
I'm really tired of fanatical posts...:rolleyes:


Me too! More life than Apple in the computer world.