iGAV said:
wordmunger said:Even if the cloth is very old, it still could be (and probably is) a fake. After all, a forger (many believe it is Leonardo da Vinci) smart enough to make such a convincing fake wouldn't be stupid enough to use a BRAND NEW piece of fabric!
stubeeef said:Good to hear from someone with a M.A. in Science Education! See you really do get to use that sheepskin!
wordmunger said:Even if the cloth is very old, it still could be (and probably is) a fake. After all, a forger (many believe it is Leonardo da Vinci) smart enough to make such a convincing fake wouldn't be stupid enough to use a BRAND NEW piece of fabric!
iGAV said:I don't know what to make of it to be honest. I'm not entirely convinced it's a fake because so I understand the image hasn't been painted on, it's more like it's been through some form of chemical, photographic type exposure process and I'm not sure that Leonardo as clever as he was, was ultimately that clever or had the knowledge of such a complex process to create such and image.
It's a fascinating subject though, even if it's unlikely ever to be proven that it is infact the image of the body of Jesus.
MOFS said:Does it really matter if this really is the shorud of Jesus? I mean, do Christians really need this kind of faith to reaffirm their faith?
MOFS said:Does it really matter if this really is the shorud of Jesus? I mean, do Christians really need this kind of faith to reaffirm their faith?[/off topic]
MOFS said:Couldn't the shroud have been produced by a composite of layers over each other to produce this imaging? Just wondering...
iGAV said:Also the image has 'contours' where some of the material was close to the body surface and other parts where it is further away. Much like how it would be if you wrapped a body up, which would suggest that it did contain a body at some time or another.
It's a negative too, which I think is really freaky.
iGAV said:Faith is all good and well, but proof...
This is what happens when a Miracle tries to be explained using logic.wordmunger said:If the image was made from a shroud, it shouldn't look like a head-on painting or photo of a body.
Then I declare my iBook is a sign from GOD! What's to say it isn't? Your "logic" says my iBook is a commodity item produced in China, but what if God intended us to think that's all it was, when really it's a sign of HIS greatness?brap said:This is what happens when a Miracle tries to be explained using logic.
Even if conventional logic gave adequate proof one way or the other, what's to say that wasn't the original intention?
stubeeef said:It is interesting how people see the face of Christ or the Virgin Mary in food, animal fur, clouds,... Could it be a sign from God, or just coincedence?
Hehe...wordmunger said:Then I declare my iBook is a sign from GOD! What's to say it isn't? Your "logic" says my iBook is a commodity item produced in China, but what if God intended us to think that's all it was, when really it's a sign of HIS greatness?
Whatever.iGAV said:
Blue Velvet said:Or inkblots...
It's called projection (and I'm not going to get sidetracked into the nitty-gritty of the Freudian definition of projection...)
Honestly... if I see a cloud shaped like a rabbit does that mean that it's a sign from Bugs Bunny?
wordmunger said:Even if the cloth is very old, it still could be (and probably is) a fake. After all, a forger (many believe it is Leonardo da Vinci) smart enough to make such a convincing fake wouldn't be stupid enough to use a BRAND NEW piece of fabric!