have you ever discouraged someone from switching because theyre not cool enough?

[thevessels]

i do/have
some people i feel just dont deserve an apple, i know theyll just give it a bad name
and especially if its someone you know and they just want one cause u have one and they think its cool - then you have the hassel of constantly asnwering idiodic questions for the next 2 years
so yeah when an aquantance i dont admire tells me "hey im gettin a powerbook like you!" ill try to tell em how you cant get any games for it or it costs to much....*sigh*
anyone else had similar experiences? ..i could vent foreva...


but yes i do look on the oposite scale, where i have gotten many other good (cool) friends to switch, and am more than happy to help them carry on the apple torch hand in hand....


but soooome people just deserve the tortures of windows....

[mactastic]

Nah, I just lay out the pros and cons to people and I let them decide. I find most people just don't have enough information to make a decision about whether a mac is appropriate for them. That's where I come in.

[wdlove]

I think that I would have a hard time discouraging anyone from purchasing an Apple product. If they bother you too much, just refer them to the AppleCare number. Also a local Apple Store or reseller would be a good place for them to visit. They might surprise you, once they get a Mac, they will be having to much fun to give you a call.

[Blue Velvet]

It's not about being cool.

Everybody deserves a pleasant computing experience... why deny them that?

You only serve to reinforce the idea that Mac users are stuck-up elitest snobs... it's not some kind of cool-kids-club...

I'm genuinely puzzled by your attitude... :confused:

[iJon]

i do/have
some people i feel just dont deserve an apple, i know theyll just give it a bad name
and especially if its someone you know and they just want one cause u have one and they think its cool - then you have the hassel of constantly asnwering idiodic questions for the next 2 years
so yeah when an aquantance i dont admire tells me "hey im gettin a powerbook like you!" ill try to tell em how you cant get any games for it or it costs to much....*sigh*
anyone else had similar experiences? ..i could vent foreva...


but yes i do look on the oposite scale, where i have gotten many other good (cool) friends to switch, and am more than happy to help them carry on the apple torch hand in hand....


but soooome people just deserve the tortures of windows....
Are you 12 years old or something :rolleyes:. I can't see why anyone would deny somebody of a computer, even if it is a Mac. As for getting questions answered, I see people asking just as many questions about the Mac platform as the PC platform. Personally I think it's silly comments like these that give us the "cult" name. Anyways...

jon

[maya]

Your attitude is making it sound that we are part of some sort of "Macintosh Cult".

You sound rather immature to say the least, it has nothing to do with being cool.

Get your head out of the clouds since it seems its affecting your judgment. :rolleyes:

EVERYONE deserves GOOD in they life, its up to the person to decide if they want it and if its time for them to do so.

You are misguided indeed. :rolleyes:

[edesignuk]

I'm genuinely puzzled by your attitude... :confused:
Add me to that list :confused:

[virividox]

ummmm noooooo, whats not cool is ur attitude

[5300cs]

I did to my old boss. He is a complete jack*** and has a very abrasive personality. He talked about Macs and asked me suddenly "SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SELL ME ONE OF YOURS?" I thought no way in HELL am I going to sell him one of my machines. He used to call me whenever he wanted to and asked me completely random questions about the iPod until he finally bought one, then showed it off in front of me because it was better.

I didn't turn him off of Macs per se, I just told him to go down to one of the Mac shops and play with one. To which he said "Yeah but they're expensive. I want you to sell me one." Would YOU like to support this guy when he does something stupid? Please post your phone number or email address and I'll tell him to contact you.

If not helping a stupid person like that is being snobbish then so be it.

[maya]

I did to my old boss. He is a complete jack*** and has a very abrasive personality. He talked about Macs and asked me suddenly "SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SELL ME ONE OF YOURS?" I thought no way in HELL am I going to sell him one of my machines. He used to call me whenever he wanted to and asked me completely random questions about the iPod until he finally bought one, then showed it off in front of me because it was better.

I didn't turn him off of Macs per se, I just told him to go down to one of the Mac shops and play with one. To which he said "Yeah but they're expensive. I want you to sell me one." Would YOU like to support this guy when he does something stupid? Please post your phone number or email address and I'll tell him to contact you.

If not helping a stupid person like that is being snobbish then so be it.


Point the bugger to eBay, or buy it off eBay and sell it to him for a profit for all your work. ;) :)

[jemeinc]

C'mon people , it was just a harmless little thread- cut the person some slack... He was just joking about how some people deserve to be stuck with Windows... Lighten up...I just took it as a little play on how sometimes when we try to explain the benefits of switching to people we get all those silly reasons from people that we have to fight through to make a point.. I admit I have less patience breaking down the wall of inaccuracies with some people and more with others...

[Applespider]

If anyone shows an interest in a Mac, I'd be happy to let them join our merry band.

But I have some friends who when they're planning on buying a new computer, I don't even suggest that they get a Mac. That's not because they're not 'cool' :confused: but rather because they're happier sticking to what they know and our friendship is more important than arguing over computers.

[rhix]

No one deserves a bad computing experience, and I've never discouraged anyone from getting a mac, but I'll admit to being sad/mad when I found out that certain people (very few!) got one. I talk up Apple to anyone that's willing to listen, but come on... admit it... I'm sure all of you have heard of someone you really disliked getting something cool (maybe not a mac) and being a little mad. I feel bad for it, like if I _should_ be happy for them, but don't. And when I say "very few" I mean... like... one so far.

[Lacero]

Ya, people who diss Macs without ever using one. Those ignorant PC idiots can keep running their BSOD spyware-riddled PCs forever for all I care.

[5300cs]

Point the bugger to eBay, or buy it off eBay and sell it to him for a profit for all your work. ;) :)

I DID, and he just kept bugging me to sell him one of mine. Grrrrr :mad:

It's funny, him arguing about price. He's into photography and he went out and bought a D2h - it's like $5,000 for the body only- no lens!! :eek: Even with this camera, he has no idea what he's doing :rolleyes:

[tech4all]

i do/have
some people i feel just dont deserve an apple, i know theyll just give it a bad name
and especially if its someone you know and they just want one cause u have one and they think its cool - then you have the hassel of constantly asnwering idiodic questions for the next 2 years
so yeah when an aquantance i dont admire tells me "hey im gettin a powerbook like you!" ill try to tell em how you cant get any games for it or it costs to much....*sigh*
anyone else had similar experiences? ..i could vent foreva...


but yes i do look on the oposite scale, where i have gotten many other good (cool) friends to switch, and am more than happy to help them carry on the apple torch hand in hand....


but soooome people just deserve the tortures of windows....

Nope, never even crossed my mind. I don't want to sound like I'm putting you down or anything but, IMO, I don't think it's appropiate for Mac users to define "cool" and to think that if you're not "cool" you can't own a Mac. Sounds kinda childish to me; sorta like in elementry school or even high school where you can't hang out with "in crowd" just becuase someone is not "cool" enough. I think everyone deserves to use whatever they want, Mac or PC. If someone asked me a question about Macs because they are thinking of switching, I wouldn't ask myself "Hmmm are they 'cool' enough", I would be more than happy to answer any questions they had the best I could (which I actually did once at Fry's, and I think I sold someone an iBook :)).

Oh yeah almost forgot, this is why many PC users consider Mac users snobs or arrogant. They think, we think we are better than them. Like as people, not the computer. Well I guess the computer to. I guess you can say they think we have too much pride just because we own a Mac.

[Benj]

Nope, never even crossed my mind. I don't want to sound like I'm putting you down or anything but, IMO, I don't think it's appropiate for Mac users to define "cool" and to think that if you're not "cool" you can't own a Mac. Sounds kinda childish to me; sorta like in elementry school or even high school where you can't hang out with "in crowd" just becuase someone is not "cool" enough. I think everyone deserves to use whatever they want, Mac or PC. If someone asked me a question about Macs because they are thinking of switching, I wouldn't ask myself "Hmmm are they 'cool' enough", I would be more than happy to answer any questions they had the best I could (which I actually did once at Fry's, and I think I sold someone an iBook :)).

Oh yeah almost forgot, this is why many PC users consider Mac users snobs or arrogant. They think, we think we are better than them. Like as people, not the computer. Well I guess the computer to. I guess you can say they think we have too much pride just because we own a Mac.

Ditto.

In fact the first post almost makes me want to go back to a PC.

[thevessels]

haha this totally isnt the responce i was expecting !
which is fine ! haha
but cammon - mac ARE like toys . my favorite toy to be exact - and it is UBER cool . haha and i make it even cooler ... ( here come more flames haha ) but cammon guys - subconciously i know you wouldnt want some goof who still has all default settings and doesnt know how to ctrl click giving apple a bad rap . haha cammon there has to be more people out there who can agree with me ! ( btw i am only 18 ( 2 year user ) and in college - so a powerbook gets alot of attention .. just venting on how i deal with it ........ anyone? :(

[thevessels]

and to clarify - by 'not cool enough' i more mean undeserving/unworthy of the power and sex appeal of an apple.... :cool:

[fistful]

you made me wonder if I'm good/cool enough for my Mac, thanks jackass! :(

[sjpetry]

you made me wonder if I'm good/cool enough for my Mac, thanks jackass! :(

You can't be too unkool for a Mac, beacuse where you buy one you become kool. :) In some cases anyways. ;)

[fistful]

You can't be too unkool for a Mac, beacuse where you buy one you become kool. :) In some cases anyways. ;)

I lied, I AM cool, I'm jive, yah dig. :cool:

I just wanted to make thevessels feel bad.

[Deefuzz]

Nope, never even crossed my mind. I don't want to sound like I'm putting you down or anything but, IMO, I don't think it's appropiate for Mac users to define "cool" and to think that if you're not "cool" you can't own a Mac. Sounds kinda childish to me; sorta like in elementry school or even high school where you can't hang out with "in crowd" just becuase someone is not "cool" enough. I think everyone deserves to use whatever they want, Mac or PC. If someone asked me a question about Macs because they are thinking of switching, I wouldn't ask myself "Hmmm are they 'cool' enough", I would be more than happy to answer any questions they had the best I could (which I actually did once at Fry's, and I think I sold someone an iBook :)).

Oh yeah almost forgot, this is why many PC users consider Mac users snobs or arrogant. They think, we think we are better than them. Like as people, not the computer. Well I guess the computer to. I guess you can say they think we have too much pride just because we own a Mac.

Agreed!

But I guess I would say that I am happier to own a Mac, but I wouldn't say that makes me better or cooler than anyone else...maybe a little happier :D

[zwida]

but soooome people just deserve the tortures of windows....

Surely even the least deserving (in our meager estimation) should have the CHANCE to be happy... :)

[snkTab]

how about, persuade someone to not get an apple because they WERE COOL ENOUGH.

[AmigoMac]

but soooome people just deserve the tortures of windows....

:D that's the only point that I agree, I let a *friend* to use my mac at home :eek: , made his own account, because I wanted him to use a mac, he used it 3 weeks, at the same time with his PC, after that he said

- both do the same
- win media player is pretty handy and iTunes was too much for his needs
- iPhoto? he's ok looking the pics in win-explorer
- iPod? that's for bragging reasons, he got a flash player before MWSF 05, I told him to wait but he didn't pay attention, he has to buy batteries for a 75 EUR piece of ... only 128 MB, no idea where he got it but he has called me twice to complain about it.

The list is even longer, I have refused to help him with his PC, because he said he doesn't see a problem using Norton AV and other security software while surfing... I used to talk a lot to him, I'm sorry for that but the last bad thing he did was to laugh at me in a meeting saying how people can spend a lot of money in a computer when you can buy anything on ebay and some discounters ... :mad: (it's not the first one I see in that attitude)

[encro]

This thread and thinking disturbs me so it would be hypocrytical for me to say that what your doing is the wrong thing, most likely due to the fact I had a pretty similar attitude to thevessel when I was about 17-18 years old. Constantly always fighting with the PC owners in my robotics class; while only 3 of had Amiga's and obviously we being the cooler of the 2 groups over who had the better machine;)

When I look back it makes me quite sad to see how much time I wasted trying to convert anybody to a certain type of computer so now that I have PC's and Mac's (and yes still the Amiga's in the cupboards) I don't pursue trying to tell anyone what kind of computer to use. Besides, there is no such thing as cool, it's all in your head. If anyone asks me about a computer then I'll tell them what is great about it and what is in need of improvement.

Whew, I went off on a tangent :) I guess what I'm trying to say is help people make the best choice and don't put them through suffering if your reasons are petty. Heck, even if you don't like them at all show kindness and make the world a better place.

[Nickygoat]

People who don't have/ don't like Macs deserve sympathy, not scorn. I don't think I'd ever try and dissuade someone from buying a Mac. What would be the point?

[dejo]

People who don't have/ don't like Macs deserve sympathy, not scorn. I don't think I'd ever try and dissuade someone from buying a Mac. What would be the point?

What if you know, almost as fact, that even if they buy the Mac, they are already too prejudiced to even give it a chance and will end up thanking you, in no uncertain terms, for wasting their time and money? How do we handle these people?

[Nickygoat]

What if you know, almost as fact, that even if they buy the Mac, they are already too prejudiced to even give it a chance and will end up thanking you, in no uncertain terms, for wasting their time and money? How do we handle these people?
An interesting question. If somebody was that prejudiced why would they be looking to buy one in the first place? I would lend them one of my machines to try it out. I know that's not an option for many though.There are certain groups of people for whom Macs aren't suitable for anyway, hard core gamers for example, and I wouldn't try to convert them because I would get that response. That's a different point however to thevessels original post of dissuading someone because they're not cool enough.

[Diatribe]

you made me wonder if I'm good/cool enough for my Mac, thanks jackass! :(

I lied, I AM cool, I'm jive, yah dig. :cool:

I just wanted to make thevessels feel bad.

You just lowered yourself below the level you seem to despise... good job.
If that is supposed to be cool then I guess I am not.

[Diatribe]

As to the original question... I usually do not know people that I wouldn't recommend a mac and help getting one but I do understand what you mean although you worded it kinda poorly.
There are people I wouldn't help getting one, I wouldn't necessarily discourage them but yes, I wouldn't help them.
And this is not because I do not think they're not cool, some people are just not worth the effort but that's not restricted to Macs only.

[Applespider]

haha this totally isnt the responce i was expecting !
which is fine ! haha
but cammon - mac ARE like toys . my favorite toy to be exact - and it is UBER cool . haha and i make it even cooler ... ( here come more flames haha ) but cammon guys - subconciously i know you wouldnt want some goof who still has all default settings and doesnt know how to ctrl click giving apple a bad rap . haha cammon there has to be more people out there who can agree with me ! ( btw i am only 18 ( 2 year user ) and in college - so a powerbook gets alot of attention .. just venting on how i deal with it ........ anyone? :(

Uncool default users who haven't figured out how to turn spell checking on in Safari? ;)

Seriously, it's exactly those who don't understand there are options in settings who also don't understand basic computer security and need Macs

[Benj]

haha this totally isnt the responce i was expecting !
which is fine ! haha
but cammon - mac ARE like toys . my favorite toy to be exact - and it is UBER cool . haha and i make it even cooler ... ( here come more flames haha ) but cammon guys - subconciously i know you wouldnt want some goof who still has all default settings and doesnt know how to ctrl click giving apple a bad rap . haha cammon there has to be more people out there who can agree with me ! ( btw i am only 18 ( 2 year user ) and in college - so a powerbook gets alot of attention .. just venting on how i deal with it ........ anyone? :(

18? You seem more like 12. Computers aren't cool. Every one of us on this site (especially you it seems) is a geek. The cool people aren't frequenting computer forums at all!

[Blue Velvet]

The cool people aren't frequenting computer forums at all!

Oh yes they are... :cool:

[James L]

haha this totally isnt the responce i was expecting !
which is fine ! haha
but cammon - mac ARE like toys . my favorite toy to be exact - and it is UBER cool . haha and i make it even cooler ... ( here come more flames haha ) but cammon guys - subconciously i know you wouldnt want some goof who still has all default settings and doesnt know how to ctrl click giving apple a bad rap . haha cammon there has to be more people out there who can agree with me ! ( btw i am only 18 ( 2 year user ) and in college - so a powerbook gets alot of attention .. just venting on how i deal with it ........ anyone? :(

Wow, I hope that college has English classes at it!

[johnnowak]

i do/have
some people i feel just dont deserve an apple, i know theyll just give it a bad name

You're not even 15 yet, are you? :rolleyes:

[johnnowak]

18? You seem more like 12. Computers aren't cool. Every one of us on this site (especially you it seems) is a geek. The cool people aren't frequenting computer forums at all!

Ah, you beat me to it.

If anyone doesn't "deserve" a Mac, it is this barely literate example of condescension.

[johnnowak]

People who don't have/ don't like Macs deserve sympathy, not scorn. I don't think I'd ever try and dissuade someone from buying a Mac. What would be the point?

To satisfy an inferiority complex.

[themadchemist]

whaaa? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Diatribe]

You know what's more embarrassing than what you all think? You all on his back. Get off it people, for all you know he may not even be a native speaker and even if... was that the topic?
You're trying to inferiorate him in order to justify your little world? Good god you're all truly pathetic.

[johnnowak]

So what are you trying to do then?

[Diatribe]

So what are you trying to do then?

I am not trying to do anything. What's your point?

[themadchemist]

I am not trying to do anything. What's your point?

You are scorning everyone for scorning him for scorning others. It seems like he's the only person who isn't a hypocrite, although I maintain that his idea is vapid and pointless.

[7on]

I don't like trying to switch people or whatnot. If they ask, sure I'll tell them. Trying to switch people seems to me too much like trying to switch someone from wearing Abercrombie jeans to jeans from JCPenny.

[Diatribe]

You are scorning everyone for scorning him for scorning others. It seems like he's the only person who isn't a hypocrite, although I maintain that his idea is vapid and pointless.

So many posts on here could be considered vapid and pointless but regardless of what we think about his post or how he worded it I think flaming him like it has been done here is not the response of intelligent adults. It only shows that a lot of people are band wagon jumping here, which is as cultist and arrogant as some called him.
If you are calling me a hypocrite for telling people to be mature in their posts and actually think before typing then I guess I am although I still have a hard time to see that correlation. I just think that some people here went way lower than the original poster ever did.
And besides, even if the original post would have been offending people, which it sure hasn't, there is neither a justification nor a point in flaming him. Where has all the conscious discussion gone?
This is almost like MacTeens... :rolleyes:

[CanadaRAM]

Have you ever chosen not to reply to a forum question because it wasn't sensible enough?

[fistful]

You just lowered yourself below the level you seem to despise... good job.
If that is supposed to be cool then I guess I am not.

Lighten up, I was kidding. :rolleyes:

[themadchemist]

So many posts on here could be considered vapid and pointless but regardless of what we think about his post or how he worded it I think flaming him like it has been done here is not the response of intelligent adults.


I totally agree with you that we have a significant volume of pointless posts. I do think that people are perfectly justified in debating a point--It would be a pretty boring forum if we all just agreed and made light banter. I agree that attacking his grammar was unnecessary because he was able to communicate his point intelligibly. I try to avoid commenting on language unless 1) someone is particularly obnoxious or 2) someone's language is clearly incomprehensible. Therefore, the comments on his grammar were probably a little unfair, but those about the content of his post seemed to be, for the most part, in line. I think that comments about his maturity bordered on excessive, but then again, his post suggested a certain childishness.


It only shows that a lot of people are band wagon jumping here, which is as cultist and arrogant as some called him.


Interesting point, but I think that the cultist attitude that others were pointing out in his comments was very different from any bandwagon mentality that might have been apparent in this thread. His posts reveal a sense of superiority, whereas others' posts generally represented a confluence of thought on the point that his judgments of "coolness" and worth were improper. I don't think it was lucidly the case that these people were agreeing with each other for the sake of agreeing as much as it appears that they all had similar opinions on the matter. Of course, that makes for a somewhat less interesting discussion, but there were enough dissenters to continue a debate.


If you are calling me a hypocrite for telling people to be mature in their posts and actually think before typing then I guess I am although I still have a hard time to see that correlation. I just think that some people here went way lower than the original poster ever did.


Relax. I was kidding. I was just pointing out that we were all at each others' throats, largely for being at other people's throats. It is an interesting circumstance and it renders all of us somewhat guilty of the acts of which we accuse others. I meant no harm; I simply wanted to point out the irony.


And besides, even if the original post would have been offending people, which it sure hasn't, there is neither a justification nor a point in flaming him. Where has all the conscious discussion gone?
This is almost like MacTeens... :rolleyes:

Conscious discussion? What do you mean? He asked for feedback on his thoughts and people provided it. For the most part, it was civil. I again reiterate that attacks on the individual's maturity bordered on non sequitur. In fact, reconsidering the matter, they were almost certainly non sequitur. However, that did not constitute the majority of the discussion.

That you flamed me for pointing out that we were all attacking each other seems a bit against the current of your own reasoning in this matter. Following your logic, even if my post had offended you (which it shouldn't have since it placed blame (lightly) on all of us and not you in particular), there would have been neither a justification nor a point in flaming me. I, too, could ask where all the conscious discussion has gone, if I knew what "conscious discussion" meant.

[MentalFabric]

problems

are all in your head :p

[themadchemist]

problems

are all in your head :p

I am somewhat confused by your post.

[Diatribe]

I totally agree with you that we have a significant volume of pointless posts. I do think that people are perfectly justified in debating a point--It would be a pretty boring forum if we all just agreed and made light banter. I agree that attacking his grammar was unnecessary because he was able to communicate his point intelligibly. I try to avoid commenting on language unless 1) someone is particularly obnoxious or 2) someone's language is clearly incomprehensible. Therefore, the comments on his grammar were probably a little unfair, but those about the content of his post seemed to be, for the most part, in line. I think that comments about his maturity bordered on excessive, but then again, his post suggested a certain childishness.


I totally agree with you.


Interesting point, but I think that the cultist attitude that others were pointing out in his comments was very different from any bandwagon mentality that might have been apparent in this thread. His posts reveal a sense of superiority, whereas others' posts generally represented a confluence of thought on the point that his judgments of "coolness" and worth were improper. I don't think it was lucidly the case that these people were agreeing with each other for the sake of agreeing as much as it appears that they all had similar opinions on the matter. Of course, that makes for a somewhat less interesting discussion, but there were enough dissenters to continue a debate.


It may have been a bit of both, it just seemed awfully like it in some posts. His judgment or wording of "cool" were off to say the least but I said that before.



Relax. I was kidding. I was just pointing out that we were all at each others' throats, largely for being at other people's throats. It is an interesting circumstance and it renders all of us somewhat guilty of the acts of which we accuse others. I meant no harm; I simply wanted to point out the irony.


I am totally relaxed... ohhmmmmmm :D I didn't take your comment as offensive, don't worry.


Conscious discussion? What do you mean? He asked for feedback on his thoughts and people provided it. For the most part, it was civil. I again reiterate that attacks on the individual's maturity bordered on non sequitur. In fact, reconsidering the matter, they were almost certainly non sequitur. However, that did not constitute the majority of the discussion.


Again I think you're correct on this one, it was civil for the most part. There were too many posts just plain flaming him, not to talk about those that somehow sarcastically just questioned his age without providing further thoughts, for my taste and this was what my initial post was based on.


That you flamed me for pointing out that we were all attacking each other seems a bit against the current of your own reasoning in this matter. Following your logic, even if my post had offended you (which it shouldn't have since it placed blame (lightly) on all of us and not you in particular), there would have been neither a justification nor a point in flaming me. I, too, could ask where all the conscious discussion has gone, if I knew what "conscious discussion" meant.

I flamed you? Cool, how did I do that without even trying? :D Jokes aside, I thought my post was clear enough to show that I was neither flaming anyone nor you in particular, at least the last one. If it did not then I apologize, it wasn't my intention to do so because even though I might disagree about the attitude of some people, even the one of the original poster, I am taking that all lightly. It's a message board for god's sake, no point in jumping at anyone's throat. The thing that gets me is when people take all that way to seriously, which it may have seemed my post was guilty of also, but I just intended to point out that the harshness of replies that bordered almost on ostracism, was unnecessary.
I guess this also is a lost cause on a message board but this one here is one of the best I have been on hence the number of my posts having surpassed 50 :D
As to the term conscious discussion, it was just meant to indicate the nonexistence of thought in some people before hitting the submit button.
And no, your post did not offend me, I just couldn't see the contiguity between my posts and being accused of hypocrisy.
The discussion we're just having is why I am on here and why I enjoy this board so much it's just those foul tomatoes once in a while that I fail to just leave aside when I should... :D

[themadchemist]

I flamed you? Cool, how did I do that without even trying? :D Jokes aside, I thought my post was clear enough to show that I was neither flaming anyone nor you in particular, at least the last one.


Eh, I throw around the word flame when it's convenient for the argument--I think the term is often counterproductive because it forces exclusion of good debates like this. I did however think that to the extent that *most* others were "flaming" the OP, you were flaming me. I don't mind, though, because it's really cold where I live.


If it did not then I apologize, it wasn't my intention to do so because even though I might disagree about the attitude of some people, even the one of the original poster, I am taking that all lightly. It's a message board for god's sake, no point in jumping at anyone's throat.


It's not a message board! What are you saying? This is LIIIIIIFE! Isn't it?


The thing that gets me is when people take all that way to seriously, which it may have seemed my post was guilty of also, but I just intended to point out that the harshness of replies that bordered almost on ostracism, was unnecessary.


I think your point was fair and it appears we've reached some happy middle ground in the argument. I like to have the debate, though, whether it's truly serious or not. However, there have been a few times that people have really upset me here and I've made it a high priority to annihilate their arguments--This is usually in a political or social discussion.


I guess this also is a lost cause on a message board but this one here is one of the best I have been on hence the number of my posts having surpassed 50 :D


I'm barely active on one other message board, but pretty much, MacRumors is it for me, too.


As to the term conscious discussion, it was just meant to indicate the nonexistence of thought in some people before hitting the submit button.
And no, your post did not offend me, I just couldn't see the contiguity between my posts and being accused of hypocrisy.


I see now what you mean by conscious discussion...I think that in general, most of the other posts were thoughtful, though occasionally that thought was not directed toward the feelings of the OP, but the harshness of the argument. More than anything else, people were occasionally insensitive. I guess there wouldn't even be a debate if he had 1000 posts--we could call him out and move on. The tougher thing to justify is attacking a relatively new member, because you don't want to discourage people who are legitimately trying to contribute to the community.

He was a good sport about it, though, and I applaud him for that. While a lot of us disagree with him, I hope we can all appreciate his desire to contribute and his good humor about it. We could use more of it around here, particularly among a few of our long-standing-but-nonetheless-morose members.


The discussion we're just having is why I am on here and why I enjoy this board so much it's just those foul tomatoes once in a while that I fail to just leave aside when I should... :D

I couldn't agree with you more.

[Steven1621]

I have switched 5 people, and I must admit that it is nice to be the only one to bring out a PB around a whole bunch of ugly PC's. I love my mac, and everyone deserves that feeling too.

Think of it this way too..the less PC friends you have, the less you'll have to do tech support for (at least in my case).

[Lacero]

Yeah, I was shopping for a laptop case for my Powerbook. Went into my local retail store with my PowerBook, and they happened to have several wintel laptops, no apple laptops. They were so ugly and big and stickers everywhere. I pulled out my thin, sleek laptop and quite a few shoppers turned their heads to look at my PB. They looked like they never seen an Apple laptop before. My PB was so small and thin compared to all the ugly laptops out there.