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newagemac
Jan 12, 2011, 04:31 PM
This is Huge!!!



mrfrosty
Jan 12, 2011, 04:54 PM
Thats what she said.

stickyd8
Jan 12, 2011, 06:00 PM
Who has the steps to walk me through this?

This is Huge!!!

mulo
Jan 12, 2011, 06:11 PM
This is Huge!!!

where did you get 4.3 beta?

newagemac
Jan 12, 2011, 08:55 PM
First of all, you have to be in the developer program to get the 4.3 beta. And I don't have it yet but this is being discussed all over the web including the MacRumors home page right now. Not only 3rd party apps but web videos can also be Airplayed as well as videos in the camera roll. It's off by default and the developer just has to enable it with one line of code.

newagemac
Jan 12, 2011, 08:56 PM
Thats what she said.

Haha! You got me there! :D

FortWorthMac
Jan 12, 2011, 10:20 PM
This is Huge!!!

Should this now allow apps like AirVideo and ZumoCast to stream video to ATV in addition to the audio? If so, that will be awesome!

Thanks

smiddlehurst
Jan 13, 2011, 05:02 AM
This is something that will instantly move the :apple:TV up to the top spot on my 'to be purchased' list. Just having it available in web video would be enough but if third party apps have full access to it... well, suddenly things get VERY interesting. AirVideo in particular would be on app I'd love to see get this.

Looking to the future, lot of work to do still but if you can throw any app to an :apple:TV then what's to stop someone making an office suite that lets you chuck the document on to a screen and use the iPad as a keyboard / touchpad (or do something clever like pop a 'trail' on the display screen showing where your finger(s) are on the iPad). Remember the Motorola Atrix at CES, a phone with a docking cradle that let you connect up keyboard, mouse and monitor basically making it a phone-sized laptop complete with a more desktop-style OS? In theory at least, and there are some issues to overcome with lag and the like) Apple could provide this functionality with an :apple:TV and bluetooth peripherals.

EvilC5
Jan 13, 2011, 06:31 AM
wow this is awesome!

if it can airplay to my ATV2 from my iphone the eyetv stream, I will not need a few more cable boxes....more $$$ in my pocket and less in Verizons... :) maybe with the extra, I can buy a verizon iphone... :)

pruppert
Jan 13, 2011, 07:00 AM
Also looking forward to watching Conan, Colbert, and Stewart on the Apple TV via Sktfire with airplay.

newagemac
Jan 13, 2011, 07:57 AM
EyeTV with video Airplay enabled is a cable killer. Air Video and Plex with video Airplay enabled are media streamer killers. Just got the new PBS app with full shows streaming and would love to throw them up on the TV. Loving my Apple TV more and more every day.

zed
Jan 13, 2011, 07:58 AM
Does this work with the Photos app as well? I want to be able to beam video that I just shot on my iPhone 4 to the :apple:tv.

JonHimself
Jan 13, 2011, 08:03 AM
Does this work with the Photos app as well? I want to be able to beam video that I just shot on my iPhone 4 to the :apple:tv.

I don't know this first-hand, but read elsewhere that those videos work with 4.3

newagemac
Jan 13, 2011, 08:03 AM
Does this work with the Photos app as well? I want to be able to beam video that I just shot on my iPhone 4 to the :apple:tv.

Yep, it was confirmed that videos in the Camera Roll and Photos app can now be streamed directly from the iPhone 4 with Airplay to your HDTV in full 720p/30 quality. Wish they had this out by Christmas when it would have really come in handy but better late than never!

pirateRACE
Jan 13, 2011, 08:47 AM
VERY cool! So what's easier... Jailbreaking to use Cydia apps to AirPlay video or getting the beta. :D

I hope this isn't a pulled feature of 4.3. I'd hate to have it pushed into iOS 5 or later.

EDIT: Does the AppleTV need to be on 4.3 as well or just the source device?

JonHimself
Jan 13, 2011, 09:15 AM
VERY cool! So what's easier... Jailbreaking to use Cydia apps to AirPlay video or getting the beta. :D

I hope this isn't a pulled feature of 4.3. I'd hate to have it pushed into iOS 5 or later.

EDIT: Does the AppleTV need to be on 4.3 as well or just the source device?

My understanding is that for the beta you need to have your UDID registered with Apple as a developer (I believe developers can register other devices, so if you know one they might be able to add you).
I also believe 4.3 needs to put on the AppleTV as well, though I'm not sure why that would be needed (just repeating what I've read).
The problem is that for 3rd party apps, they have to enable Airplay, so just putting 4.3 on your phone and appletv won't be enough. I think there's an app in Cydia that adds the functionality and that, at least right now, might be the easiest way.

davidwarren
Jan 13, 2011, 03:09 PM
any videos of this up yet?

powerman
Jan 14, 2011, 02:38 PM
are we going to be able to use face time on our iphones and have the video on our tv,s or do you think skype will do this?

Dreamup
Jan 14, 2011, 05:58 PM
IOS 4.3b1

http://iphonejailbreaks.org/direct-download-links-for-ios-4-3-beta-1-for-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch-and-apple-tv/

eXistance360
Jan 14, 2011, 11:34 PM
EyeTV with video Airplay enabled is a cable killer. Air Video and Plex with video Airplay enabled are media streamer killers. Just got the new PBS app with full shows streaming and would love to throw them up on the TV. Loving my Apple TV more and more every day.

eyetv uses a cable/satellite box does it not?

newagemac
Jan 15, 2011, 10:36 AM
eyetv uses a cable/satellite box does it not?

It depends on what hardware you're talking about. The EyeTV Hybrid device uses the digital and/or analog cable coming from the wall or an antenna so you don't need a cable box. In the case of using an antenna you don't need cable service at all. And if you get internet service from cable you probably have access to the local channels in HD free that way by just connecting to the cable instead of using an antenna.

But yes you can also get hardware that uses component from things like a cable or satellite box. The EyeTV software works all kinds of hardware.

jaw04005
Jan 15, 2011, 10:46 PM
My understanding is that for the beta you need to have your UDID registered with Apple as a developer (I believe developers can register other devices, so if you know one they might be able to add you).
I also believe 4.3 needs to put on the AppleTV as well, though I'm not sure why that would be needed (just repeating what I've read).
The problem is that for 3rd party apps, they have to enable Airplay, so just putting 4.3 on your phone and appletv won't be enough. I think there's an app in Cydia that adds the functionality and that, at least right now, might be the easiest way.

The Apple TV beta doesn't require a registered device. However, it's not worth installing now as there's no third-party video support yet (and no first-party support from applications like Safari either).

In fact, the only difference I've noticed between Apple TV 4.2 and 4.3 beta is a new connection screen layout for typing in your wireless network and home sharing password.

Hopefully, more fixes are to come.

dgalvan123
Jan 16, 2011, 12:27 AM
Does this work with the Photos app as well? I want to be able to beam video that I just shot on my iPhone 4 to the :apple:tv.

I guess we'll see soon enough if 4.3 enables this.

In the mean time, the free app "Quickplay" on the app store enables this as a workaround. What it does is allow you to choose one of your camera roll videos, then the app compresses the video and streams it to your Apple TV via Airplay. The compression takes anywhere from tens of seconds to a few minutes, depending on the length of the video. Not as ideal as instantly beaming the camera roll videos without compressing them first, but at least it enables you to airplay a video you just took without synching to a computer first.

jaw04005
Jan 16, 2011, 11:35 AM
I guess we'll see soon enough if 4.3 enables this.

It's a little buggy, but yes 4.3 does enable AirPlay for iPhone 4 captured video through the Photos.app. The only way I could get it to work is if you show a picture using AirPlay first, then your saved video.

grantrobarts
Jan 16, 2011, 03:26 PM
It's a little buggy, but yes 4.3 does enable AirPlay for iPhone 4 captured video through the Photos.app. The only way I could get it to work is if you show a picture using AirPlay first, then your saved video.

I'm just glad to hear that they are allowing this soon. I just about threw my iphone out the window when I first tried to do that on my ATV.

kas23
Jan 16, 2011, 07:10 PM
I don't know if this is the killer feature we think it is. Like it or not, over 90% of video on web is Flash-based and this can't be streamed from my iPhone. I dunno, whenever I want to watch decent videos (not YouTube), I usually have to grab my Mac. And streaming Flash from my Mac to an ATV wouldn't work either since it basically has a cellphone processor.

Mac.World
Jan 16, 2011, 07:28 PM
If you install Click2Flash on your Mac, you'll find that most Flash on the web is actually adverts. A lot of vids are already encoded to H.264, so if Flash is disabled, the vid will auto-load to this format (including Youtube).

Granted there are still some sites that are still strictly Flash based and this is an issue for some people, but I personally avoid Flash as much as possible.

What I want more than anything is for ATV and iTunes to recognize .avi and .mkv files!

bpaluzzi
Jan 16, 2011, 08:15 PM
Like it or not, over 90% of video on web is Flash-based

Ludicrously false

posnera
Jan 16, 2011, 08:50 PM
Does anyone have Slingplayer to test this out on?

powerman
Jan 16, 2011, 09:13 PM
I would like to be able to airplay from Imovie.

Aries326
Jan 16, 2011, 09:37 PM
Does this mean we can now get Plex on ATV2 and on the fly conversion of 1080p files to 720p for viewing?

newagemac
Jan 16, 2011, 10:43 PM
Does this mean we can now get Plex on ATV2 and on the fly conversion of 1080p files to 720p for viewing?

Most likely yes although currently the transcoder Plex uses (ffmpeg) converts with a max bitrate of 2.5mbps. There is a 5mbps option but it isn't stable yet.

It's worth noting that people are already doing this by installing a Plex client on jailbroken Apple TVs and for instance streaming 1080p mkvs to the Apple TV that are transcoded on the fly. With Airplay enabling this natively means that will probably no longer be necessary.

kas23
Jan 17, 2011, 03:08 PM
Ludicrously false

Thanks Steve, but I thought you were on medical leave?

Truth is, regardless of numbers, most stuff even worth watching is Flash-based. Can I watch Hulu? No. Can I watch Dog Wisperer or Dogtown on www.nationalgeographic.com? No. Can I watch clips on www.cnn.com? No. abc.com, nbc.com, fox.com, cbs.com? Nope, all Flash. So, you tell me. What exactly are these non-flash content containing websites I can watch? And don't tell me YouTube - I'm not really into watching funny cat videos.

monaarts
Jan 17, 2011, 03:19 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

Ludicrously false

Thanks Steve, but I thought you were on medical leave?

Truth is, regardless of numbers, most stuff even worth watching is Flash-based. Can I watch Hulu? No. Can I watch Dog Wisperer or Dogtown on www.nationalgeographic.com? No. Can I watch clips on www.cnn.com? No. abc.com, nbc.com, fox.com, cbs.com? Nope, all Flash. So, you tell me. What exactly are these non-flash content containing websites I can watch? And don't tell me YouTube - I'm not really into watching funny cat videos.

I can watch hulu on my iPhone and iPad. I have only run into problems a very small number of times. Why dont you email nationalgeographic.com and bitch at them for using flash to build their site...?

bpaluzzi
Jan 17, 2011, 03:48 PM
Thanks Steve, but I thought you were on medical leave?

Truth is, regardless of numbers, most stuff even worth watching is Flash-based. Can I watch Hulu? No. Can I watch Dog Wisperer or Dogtown on www.nationalgeographic.com? No. Can I watch clips on www.cnn.com? No. abc.com, nbc.com, fox.com, cbs.com? Nope, all Flash. So, you tell me. What exactly are these non-flash content containing websites I can watch? And don't tell me YouTube - I'm not really into watching funny cat videos.

Right, because only steve jobs is able to comment on you pulling figures out of thin air. :rolleyes:

And the fact remains, regardless of your opinion on content, that the statement that "90% of the video on the web is flash" is still straight-up wrong. And give those sites a year. I'll bet money that on their next site redesign, the majority of those sites will offer html5 versions alongside the flash (or drop the flash altogether).

newagemac
Jan 17, 2011, 04:00 PM
I'm not going to get into the whole debate about flash but you seem to be missing the whole point about Airplay and the new APIs. Sure it opens up the web to your Apple TV but more importantly it's all about the apps. You seem to be forgetting that regardless of whether or not their regular websites are in flash, content providers are creating apps for iOS devices to make their content available making that irrelevant.

For example, you mentioned Hulu and ABC but both of these have apps on the iPad that put their websites to shame in usability and user interface and it's a growing trend. No flash to be found at all just HTML5, H.264 video, and multitouch gesture support. Airplay means that potentially you can use the superior user interface of these apps to shoot video over to your Apple TV2. Browsing around a flash website meant for a mouse and keyboard pales in comparison.

And then there are the apps like Plex, Air Video, Zumocast, etc. that can now convert practically any codec, format, or resolution on the fly for display on the Apple TV with Airplay. Plus you have EyeTV which now means the ATV2 can be used for watching live TV and watching DVRed content without having to export to iTunes. These kinds of things are what make Airplay so interesting. Apple is leveraging the quality of the 3rd party apps available for the iOS platform with the fact that the new Apple TV is based on the same platform.

fpnc
Jan 17, 2011, 05:26 PM
...For example, you mentioned Hulu and ABC but both of these have apps on the iPad that put their websites to shame in usability and user interface and it's a growing trend. No flash to be found at all just HTML5, H.264 video, and multitouch gesture support. Airplay means that potentially you can use the superior user interface of these apps to shoot video over to your Apple TV2. Browsing around a flash website meant for a mouse and keyboard pales in comparison. ...
I agree with most of what you said. However, apps like Hulu and ABC may not enable AirPlay because of licensing restrictions. Right now neither of those apps allow you to view content over the iPad's component video connection and that's most likely happening because the apps do not have a license for viewing their content on the TV (i.e. it's restricted to the iPad's built-in display). In fact, this may be one of the reasons why AirPlay support for 3rd party apps was missing from the previous release of iOS, Apple needed to add a mechanism that would allow content providers and websites to effectively disable AirPlay video.

In any case, it's possible that Hulu Plus might enable AirPlay since they currently run on the PS3 and (I think) some other set top boxes but this is a bit different since you'll be paying a monthly fee to use Hulu Plus. The ABC app could be a different matter (AirPlay will not be enabled, IMO). The same is true for a lot of other content, I suspect that many of the video services (apps) that run on the iPad/iPhone will not enable AirPlay video.

As for Flash, I still find a fair amount of Flash video on the web (unfortunately), but H.264/HTML5 is also getting pretty popular.

kas23
Jan 17, 2011, 07:48 PM
Personally, I'm just sick of the excuses ("it's the website's fault"), endless list of workarounds, and waiting for Apple to decide when I should have a particular feature (or wait for a particular app to enable APIs - if they're even legally allowed to do it or even want to do it).

Seems like it's just easier to buy a Mac Mini n hook it up to my 52 inch (It will "just work"). Besides, all my wife does is watch these Chinese websites that play every Asian movie known to man. And I know "He'll" will freeze over when they turn away from Flash. I'll even be able to put Boxee on it too.

Mac.World
Jan 17, 2011, 08:20 PM
The final nail in the coffin for web-based Flash was when the Porn industry announced, in June last year, that they will drop Flash altogether in favor of HTML5.

Within 2 years, I expect 80-90% of websites to have gone to HTML5.

EvilC5
Jan 18, 2011, 07:23 AM
eyetv uses a cable/satellite box does it not?

I have mine setup on my HD DVR box, and Verizon charges 9.95 per month for each of the HD standard boxes. I have 7 tv's in my house, and 6 apple tv's. it would be awesome to cut back to maybe 1 HD DVR and 1 HD box. I have already dropped back to 1 HD DVR and 2 HD boxes, and 1 standard. before that, I was spending ~80 bucks a month just on cable box rental....and you have to have a box to decode their Fios signal...

I did the math, and buying a mini, and 4 new ATV2's with a netflix account over the course of the next 10-14 months will pay for itself.

so to be able to stream from the EyeTV app on my touch or iphone to my tv's that have ATV2's hooked to them would be a winner for me!