PDA

View Full Version : Mouse vs trackpad




Bakari45
Jan 14, 2011, 08:33 PM
I have to say, I really like the using the trackpad on the Air, especially the hand gestures for navigating web pages and such. However, I will be going out of town for two weeks and it will be first time that I‘ll to do all my typing on the Air instead of my desktop computer. On my desktop, I primarily use the mouse. I‘m not much into keyboard shortcuts. QuicKeys 4.0 enables me to activate menus and keyboard shortcuts, so I don't have to remember all the shortcuts. (In fact, I have two QuicKeys shortcuts that enable me to quickly select the last letter or word I typed without using the Delete key. It’s not perfect, but it beats having to raise my fingers to reach the Delete key every time I make typing error.)

So I‘m wondering if I should splurge for a wireless mouse of the Air? Something tells I might need one in order to get writing and other things done quicker. Or should I just learn to use the trackpad because it’s better than the mouse?

How many of you use a mouse with your Air? Or do you mainly stay with the trackpad?

BTW, my use of the mouse on my desktop is not limited to just typing. I use it a lot to navigate applications, make selective screen shots, and drag stuff from app or Finder to another.



2IS
Jan 14, 2011, 08:54 PM
I purchased the magic mouse when I got my mba and I can't stand it. Not only does it not glide as smoothly as my Microsoft or Logitech mice but the mouse acceleration (which I believe is a function of the OS) I find horrendous. I'm thinking about getting a logitech mouse and hopefully the setpoint drivers allow me to adjust the acceleration (turn it off).

While I'm not saying not to get a mouse, I am suggesting not to get the Magic Mouse.

Laes
Jan 14, 2011, 09:07 PM
I purchased the magic mouse when I got my mba and I can't stand it. Not only does it not glide as smoothly as my Microsoft or Logitech mice but the mouse acceleration (which I believe is a function of the OS) I find horrendous. I'm thinking about getting a logitech mouse and hopefully the setpoint drivers allow me to adjust the acceleration (turn it off).

While I'm not saying not to get a mouse, I am suggesting not to get the Magic Mouse.

I'd recommend downloading SteerMouse for turning off mouse acceleration, I use it and it's great.

Other than that I just use a Logitech MX518 I use on my desktop, it works fine and feels like it does on Windows when using SteerMouse

Bakari45
Jan 14, 2011, 09:11 PM
I'd recommend downloading SteerMouse for turning off mouse acceleration, I use it and it's great.

Other than that I just use a Logitech MX518 I use on my desktop, it works fine and feels like it does on Windows when using SteerMouse

Oh most definitely. I make heavy use of SteerMouse on my desktop. So yeah, Iím thinking I might need to do the same thing for the MBA, especially for when it comes to navigating apps and such. Iíll check out the Logitech mouse. Thanx.

hfg
Jan 14, 2011, 09:14 PM
Not to be contrary ... but I actually like the Magic Mouse with the MacBook Air. I tend to have the computer elevated on a laptop "stand" or a pillow to bring the display closer for easier reading while sitting in a recliner watching TV. For simple net-surfing, having the Magic Mouse on my leg, or the arm of the chair is more comfortable than reaching up to the trackpad. With the gesture features of the Magic Mouse, I can control almost all of the navigation needs without touching the keyboard.

I also like using the bluetooth external TrackPad for the same reasons.

BTW - I also like the Logitech mice and can do almost the same thing by programming the additional buttons with SteerMouse for advanced navigation functions. Too bad it isn't bluetooth so I wouldn't need the USB antenna sticking out of the computer.

-howard

Bakari45
Jan 14, 2011, 09:15 PM
While I'm not saying not to get a mouse, I am suggesting not to get the Magic Mouse.

Yeah, I bought the Magic Mouse for the desktop, but I rarely use it. Itís just not fast and functional. I probably need to sell it. I even tried using it along side my regular mouse and I still ended up not liking it. For some reason itís just not as fast as a regular mouse, especially in using it with the Steer Mouse plug-in.

entatlrg
Jan 14, 2011, 09:37 PM
Hey guys ... trackpad is great, but sometimes it's more convenient to use a mouse, nice for a change too.

If you're going to buy a mouse I suggest the "Anywhere mouse" by Logitech. It's usb with a tiny dongle, not blue tooth but it works perfect on any surface ... you can use it on your jeans, glass table etc.

iRun26.2
Jan 14, 2011, 09:45 PM
It amazes me how many people talk about using an external mouse (or trackpad of any kind) with their MBA. One of the things I like most about my 11.6" MBA is its portability. It is light and I can take it and use it anywhere. I can't imagine the hinderance of having to drag something else along with it.

Part of the reason I like the new MBA 11.6" is because its battery last so much longer that I don't even need to take the adapter either...

bowlerman625
Jan 14, 2011, 09:56 PM
I purchased the magic mouse and only used it a short time. I really like the trackpad especially on the new MBA.

2IS
Jan 14, 2011, 10:19 PM
It amazes me how many people talk about using an external mouse (or trackpad of any kind) with their MBA. One of the things I like most about my 11.6" MBA is its portability. It is light and I can take it and use it anywhere. I can't imagine the hinderance of having to drag something else along with it.

Part of the reason I like the new MBA 11.6" is because its battery last so much longer that I don't even need to take the adapter either...

I guess the fact that people can also use their MBA on a desk and NOT take their mouse with them when they port it around slipped past you? I have the convenience of a mouse when I want it, while still keeping all the portability you've got.

iRun26.2
Jan 14, 2011, 10:22 PM
I guess the fact that people can also use their MBA on a desk and NOT take their mouse with them when they port it around slipped past you? I have the convenience of a mouse when I want it, while still keeping all the portability you've got.

That is a good point. But, for me personally, I think I would prefer to not ever use a mouse so I continue to get more efficient at using the trackpad.

TheRealDamager
Jan 14, 2011, 10:25 PM
I also hated the magic mouse at first, but have really gotten used to it and really like it. However, I only use it with the imac - I prefer the trackpad when using the laptop.

major7
Jan 14, 2011, 10:42 PM
I always hated trackpads until i got the air. I now only use the mouse to play games...i have a razer orochi (bluetooth) and it works flawless.... so much talk abou mouse acceleration....never noticed anything out of the ordinary.

Ah...i dont understand one thing...if you're typing with both hands what's the difference on clicking on the mouse or the Delete key? u have to move your hand for both actions. it's just a matter of habit.

2IS
Jan 14, 2011, 10:43 PM
That is a good point. But, for me personally, I think I would prefer to not ever use a mouse so I continue to get more efficient at using the trackpad.

To each their own. I've been using track pads and mice for years, my efficiency has peaked on either device. Sometimes a mouse is just easier to use, depending on what you're doing.

Bakari45
Jan 15, 2011, 12:47 AM
Ah...i dont understand one thing...if you're typing with both hands what's the difference on clicking on the mouse or the Delete key? u have to move your hand for both actions. it's just a matter of habit.

Major, the Delete key seems further away up on the MBA keyboard than on my regular Apple desktop keyboard. So it feels like a little strain to keep pressing it. Iím a poor typist.

So with QuicKeys, I created a shortcut that when I type ďjjĒ it selects the last word I typed. When I type ďhhĒ it selects the last letter. When I use these triggers it keeps me from having to hit the Delete key. I just have to remember to use them. I also use Spell Catcher which quickly correctly misspellings and typos.

I think I just need to get used to typing on the MBA keyboard, because it definitely has a different feel to it. I typically type resting my palms on the area in front of the keyboard. Iím not sure if thatís the correct way to do it. But for some reason I seem to be not typing as efficiently as I do on the desktop keyboard.

gloryunited
Jan 15, 2011, 02:18 AM
I always hated trackpads until i got the air. I now only use the mouse to play games.

Exact same case here!

I relied so much on mice before my MBA (my first mac) and now I only use a mouse for games.

As for the OP's concern, it's always nice to have a mouse with you just in case. But IMHO, you should really learn to use the trackpad AND some keyboard shortcuts mainly because you are using an MBA. :D

With that said, if you are going out of town very soon, you should of course bring a mouse with you. In the long run, it's better to master the trackpad!

Bakari45
Jan 15, 2011, 02:26 AM
Exact same case here!

With that said, if you are going out of town very soon, you should of course bring a mouse with you. In the long run, it's better to master the trackpad!

Yeah, I think IĎm going to because something tells me that without the mouse Iím not going to be as productive. I feel kinda lame getting a mouse for the MBA, but thatís the reality of it.

gb1631
Jan 15, 2011, 04:48 PM
I decided to get the Apple magic mouse after a few weeks using the pad. I guess I'm just use to using a mouse and missed it. I'll most likely only use it when I'm not traveling and have the MBA set-up as a desktop on vacations at our time share, etc. :D

jace88
Jan 15, 2011, 10:27 PM
I found the MBA trackpad to be great but because it's so large and close to the bottom of the laptop, I also find my hand/palm resting on the edge of the laptop (or on the table edge which it's resting on) as I use it and this isnt that comfortable hence why a mouse is sometimes better.

mrsir2009
Jan 15, 2011, 11:00 PM
People think I'm crazy for preferring trackpad over mouse. But not all trackpads, just the MacBook Pro ones. See, most of the people that say I'm crazy for using the trackpad are used to crappy Windows netbook trackpads *shudder*

patrixl
Jan 15, 2011, 11:06 PM
People think I'm crazy for preferring trackpad over mouse. But not all trackpads, just the MacBook Pro ones. See, most of the people that say I'm crazy for using the trackpad are used to crappy Windows netbook trackpads *shudder*

My situation is the same... I even bought a Magic Trackpad and a lot were wondering why I wanted that instead of a mouse!!!

I love the Apple trackpads.

mrsir2009
Jan 15, 2011, 11:23 PM
My situation is the same... I even bought a Magic Trackpad and a lot were wondering why I wanted that instead of a mouse!!!

I love the Apple trackpads.

If I ever moved off my MBP to a Mac desktop I'd have to get one of those! :D

size100
Jan 16, 2011, 01:15 AM
OSX has annoying mouse problems(acc along with a few other problems). Its completely unacceptable.

Any mouse made by apple is terrible in my opinion. To put it kindly, their implementation of a mouse is not aimed at users like me. They need to buy a company to design and implement a mouse to OSX. I hope they don't have the guys at apple who designed the hockey puck mouse still working at apple. But, im sure they do.


I use trackpad most of the time. When I go into bootcamp I use a razer deathadder mouse.

mrsir2009
Jan 16, 2011, 01:48 AM
OSX has annoying mouse problems(acc along with a few other problems). Its completely unacceptable.

Any mouse made by apple is terrible in my opinion. To put it kindly, their implementation of a mouse is not aimed at users like me. They need to buy a company to design and implement a mouse to OSX. I hope they don't have the guys at apple who designed the hockey puck mouse still working at apple. But, im sure they do.


I use trackpad most of the time. When I go into bootcamp I use a razer deathadder mouse.

I don't care much for their mice either - The mighty mouse was an epic fail, and I haven't used the magic mouse yet. I love Apple's trackpads though, and I'd prefer to use the magic trackpad with a desktop mac as opposed to a magic mouse...

BENJMNS
Jan 16, 2011, 11:45 AM
I purchased the magic mouse when I got my mba and I can't stand it. Not only does it not glide as smoothly as my Microsoft or Logitech mice but the mouse acceleration (which I believe is a function of the OS) I find horrendous. I'm thinking about getting a logitech mouse and hopefully the setpoint drivers allow me to adjust the acceleration (turn it off).

While I'm not saying not to get a mouse, I am suggesting not to get the Magic Mouse.

i concur.

i have the magic mouse. it's a pos. it tracks too slow even in the fastest setting. the dragging sucks. good thing is, the air is the first laptop where i don't bring along a mouse. ultimately, the mouse has better control especially when you're dragging files, but the trackpad is good enough where i'm not compelled to carry around yet another accessory for a complete mobile experience.

kappax12
Jan 16, 2011, 12:08 PM
Hey guys ... trackpad is great, but sometimes it's more convenient to use a mouse, nice for a change too.

If you're going to buy a mouse I suggest the "Anywhere mouse" by Logitech. It's usb with a tiny dongle, not blue tooth but it works perfect on any surface ... you can use it on your jeans, glass table etc.

I agree with the Anywhere MX mouse, its great and theres a driver for mac on there site.

Bakari45
Jan 16, 2011, 01:48 PM
I agree with the Anywhere MX mouse, its great and theres a driver for mac on there site.

This mouse looks interesting. The description on the Amazon site says you can use the mouse on any surface. Is that true? That would be ideal for the Air because you don't have to carry a trackpad around.

size100
Jan 16, 2011, 02:20 PM
Any free programs out there to fix the mouse problems in OSX?

kappax12
Jan 16, 2011, 03:53 PM
This mouse looks interesting. The description on the Amazon site says you can use the mouse on any surface. Is that true? That would be ideal for the Air because you don't have to carry a trackpad around.

yep it true, i tested on ever surface i can think of: glass, wood, cloth, window. its really good, i like it.

gwsat
Jan 16, 2011, 04:32 PM
I have used Mac laptops for eight years and until less than two years ago always used a mouse. I used a variety of mice, the last being a Magic Mouse. All of them were satisfactory but I got tired of them and resolved to learn how to use a trackpad comfortably. That was remarkably easy to accomplish and I have never looked back. I quickly came to prefer the trackpad to a mouse, not by a little but by a lot. My grandson has my Magic Mouse and I don't even know where the others are. There is a lot to be said for having one's navigational tools built in to one's laptop. My advice would be to ditch the mouse and use the trackpad exclusively. You will be surprised to see how little time it will take you to prefer it to a mouse.

Bakari45
Jan 16, 2011, 05:17 PM
You will be surprised to see how little time it will take you to prefer it to a mouse.

I just went out purchased today a Logitech Wireless Mouse M305 from Office Max (on sale for like $15). Though I think it’s better to use the trackpad on the Air, the mouse is going to be more useful when I‘m doing extended work on the Air, especially when I‘m working between two or more applications. I seem to grab and move stuff faster with a mouse than I do with the trackpad. But again, like I said, the trackpad works great for the hand gestures—e.g. enlarging web pages and pulling up the the context menu on selected items.

Lol, damn, I just realized that this M305 Mouse doesn’t come with a 4th and 5th buttons. I was so taken with the price that I completely overlooked that. That means this mouse won’t be as useful with SteerMouse as my desktop 8-button Logitech mouse. Dang, I might have to take this one back.

size100
Jan 16, 2011, 11:57 PM
Using a mouse is amazing. You can't beat the speed an accuracy. Especially when you have used a mouse for years and years. But, its crippled in osx. Lots of OSX users haven't had the experience of using a real mouse, with proper operating system support.

poobear
Jan 17, 2011, 07:14 AM
Using a mouse is amazing. You can't beat the speed an accuracy. Especially when you have used a mouse for years and years.
This has nothing to do with mouse being superior, you're just saying that what you have used for years and years is superior for you.

I myself have used a trackpad (Mac trackpad, not these supertiny PC trackpads) for years and years and they are not superior for me. The speed and accuracy is really lower when I use a mouse (even with USB Overdrive to remove the mouse acceleration). Also, it's really annoying to constantly move your hand between the keyboard and mouse, compared to when you use the trackpad and you don't have to move your hand at all.

Xil3
Jan 17, 2011, 07:59 AM
Also, it's really annoying to constantly move your hand between the keyboard and mouse, compared to when you use the trackpad and you don't have to move your hand at all.

Wow... just wow...

If you think that's annoying... well, not sure what to tell you, but I'm shocked.

farmermac
Jan 17, 2011, 09:19 AM
i concur.

i have the magic mouse. it's a pos. it tracks too slow even in the fastest setting. the dragging sucks. good thing is, the air is the first laptop where i don't bring along a mouse. ultimately, the mouse has better control especially when you're dragging files, but the trackpad is good enough where i'm not compelled to carry around yet another accessory for a complete mobile experience.



The drag lock makes dragging files with trackpad better imo

Bakari45
Jan 17, 2011, 03:22 PM
Also, it's really annoying to constantly move your hand between the keyboard and mouse, compared to when you use the trackpad and you don't have to move your hand at all.

I think it depends on what youíre doing on the computer. When Iím working with photo processing and iMovie productions, itís easy to just click around and get things done with the mouse.

Whereas when Iím writing and surfing the web, the trackpad seems better. As for writing, though, I wish Apple would bring in more of the features used for typing in iOS. For instance, I would love to hit the space bar twice on the MBA and have a period come at the end of the sentence as it does in iOS devices. Same thing for auto or suggested spelling completion. Why hasnít that been included in OS X system. These type of features would reduce how much we use the trackpad or mouse.

poobear
Jan 18, 2011, 01:14 PM
Wow... just wow...

If you think that's annoying... well, not sure what to tell you, but I'm shocked.
Your post does not make any sense. Of course less movements is preferred, escpecially when you do the movements several hours each day.

DarwinOSX
Jan 26, 2011, 05:29 PM
I use the MBA trackpad or a bluetooth Apple trackpad when plugged into an external monitor. Much prefer the trackpad over any mouse.

iRun26.2
Jan 26, 2011, 06:31 PM
I have used Mac laptops for eight years and until less than two years ago always used a mouse. I used a variety of mice, the last being a Magic Mouse. All of them were satisfactory but I got tired of them and resolved to learn how to use a trackpad comfortably. That was remarkably easy to accomplish and I have never looked back. I quickly came to prefer the trackpad to a mouse, not by a little but by a lot. My grandson has my Magic Mouse and I don't even know where the others are. There is a lot to be said for having one's navigational tools built in to one's laptop. My advice would be to ditch the mouse and use the trackpad exclusively. You will be surprised to see how little time it will take you to prefer it to a mouse.

I could not agree with you more! I think that the trackpad is a very good interface to use. Since most people presumably buy their MBA for the portability, I just can't see reason to carry along any additional component unless it is substantially better (and I don't think there is anything that is substantially better - of course that is an opinion).

I say, get used to the trackpad since you will always have that with you, (even if you carry only the MBA with you). If you ever use a different input device you move backwards, becoming less proficient with what is ideal to use when you are on the go with minimal accessories.