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Funkymonk
Jan 17, 2011, 02:29 PM
engadget just did a review for it: Got an 8/10. (know it doesn't mean anything but the air 11" got a 7/10)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/hp-pavilion-dm1z-with-amd-fusion-review/

main selling point for me is that it's $450. I'm okay with both windows 7 and osx.

you guys think it's a good buy?

I plan on getting the mbp 13" when it gets updated but I also wanted a 11" machine to use at home for browsing and watching videos. Gonna give it to my sister when I get the mbp. I was planning on getting the air 11" because it's a sexy little machine but now I'm thinking it's a stupid buy because I'm gonna get the mbp 13" too.



Hands Sandon
Jan 17, 2011, 03:11 PM
Is it from the 90's?

aberrero
Jan 17, 2011, 03:15 PM
The MBA is better in just about every way, but if this is also very very good, and it costs less than half as much.

If you are buying the MBP13 later on, then just settle with the HP.

Funkymonk
Jan 17, 2011, 06:10 PM
Is it from the 90's?
it's .8"-1.2" thick. I wish it was thinner :p
The MBA is better in just about every way, but if this is also very very good, and it costs less than half as much.

If you are buying the MBP13 later on, then just settle with the HP.

yeah that's what I was thinking. I heard asus is releasing something from their eee pc line in a few weeks so maybe I'll wait and see what else low priced goodies I can get.

aberrero
Jan 17, 2011, 08:35 PM
There will also be a thinkpad with a Fusion APU. That's probably what I would get.

2IS
Jan 17, 2011, 08:48 PM
There's little doubt the MBA is a better machine, but the cheapest MBA comes it at twice the cost so that's not exactly surprising.

Funkymonk
Jan 18, 2011, 02:15 AM
There will also be a thinkpad with a Fusion APU. That's probably what I would get.

Nice.

You guys know anything else releasing soon that might be thinner?

KPOM
Jan 18, 2011, 07:52 AM
Slightly OT, but these Fusion chips do look pretty impressive. Given Apple's past decisions to emphasize graphics performance over CPU performance (namely, their decision to stick with the Core 2 Duo rather than use the Arrandale integrated graphics), might the idea of an AMD-equipped MacBook Air not be so far -fetched?

racer1441
Jan 18, 2011, 08:18 AM
Why would you want to suffer with a HP machine?

If you are looking for something to pass the time before the new 13" machines, why not just shoot your self in the foot.


It wouldn't be as painful as working with a HP.

Cerano
Jan 18, 2011, 08:40 AM
powerful as the fusion is, its only slightly above netbook standard... i saw in 3Dmark the APU got 1.8k and in this review its said that it can only play 720p.. hmmmm compared to 4.8k for MBA

KPOM
Jan 18, 2011, 09:40 AM
powerful as the fusion is, its only slightly above netbook standard... i saw in 3Dmark the APU got 1.8k and in this review its said that it can only play 720p.. hmmmm compared to 4.8k for MBA

The Engadget review gave the HP a score of 2213 on the 3DMark and supposedly it is capable of 1080p (though the screen is 720p, like the 11" MacBook Airs). It's still well shy of a current MacBook Air, but might other AMD chips be capable of putting out similar numbers?

bloodycape
Jan 18, 2011, 08:04 PM
In synthetic bench marks the HP DM1z did just as good as the 11.6in Air in many tests. It most likely would have done better those synthetic benchmarks if the HP had an SSD or if the Air came with a HDD. Really doesn't mean that much these tests, but it does give a little idea of how much better it could be vs your average netbook.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/notebook-news-reviews/547661-hp-pavilion-dm1z-review-discussion.html

thejadedmonkey
Jan 18, 2011, 08:12 PM
That's something you need to consider, while Apple's MBA is nice, you can get a slightly uglier machine for 1/2 the price.

bowlerman625
Jan 18, 2011, 09:06 PM
There is one main problem with it.

Windows!

Funkymonk
Jan 18, 2011, 09:15 PM
In synthetic bench marks the HP DM1z did just as good as the 11.6in Air in many tests. It most likely would have done better those synthetic benchmarks if the HP had an SSD or if the Air came with a HDD. Really doesn't mean that much these tests, but it does give a little idea of how much better it could be vs your average netbook.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/notebook-news-reviews/547661-hp-pavilion-dm1z-review-discussion.html
nice to hear. I think I'll go with the dm1z than.
That's something you need to consider, while Apple's MBA is nice, you can get a slightly uglier machine for 1/2 the price.
it's not slightly uglier, it's a lot lol.

mba is beautiful, dm1z is just nice...
There is one main problem with it.

Windows!

I like Windows!

2IS
Jan 18, 2011, 09:15 PM
I run both systems, there's nothing wrong with Windows, at least nothing wrong with Windows 7. Vista was/is trash. As long as you're savvy enough to keep from getting infected with spyware/viruses and trojens, Win7 is just as fast and stable as OSX.

baller1308
Jan 18, 2011, 09:23 PM
That's something you need to consider, while Apple's MBA is nice, you can get a slightly uglier machine for 1/2 the price.
and poorer resell value.

2IS
Jan 18, 2011, 09:53 PM
People actually buy computers based on resale value???

tanbo
Jan 19, 2011, 04:47 PM
engadget just did a review for it: Got an 8/10. (know it doesn't mean anything but the air 11" got a 7/10)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/hp-pavilion-dm1z-with-amd-fusion-review/

main selling point for me is that it's $450. I'm okay with both windows 7 and osx.

you guys think it's a good buy?

I plan on getting the mbp 13" when it gets updated but I also wanted a 11" machine to use at home for browsing and watching videos. Gonna give it to my sister when I get the mbp. I was planning on getting the air 11" because it's a sexy little machine but now I'm thinking it's a stupid buy because I'm gonna get the mbp 13" too.

I'm in the same situation - I was seriously considering the MBA 11" but then this little thing came along and now I am reconsidering. Sure the MBA is lighter and thinner, but not really by that much to make a significant difference in day to day use.
I already have a mac mini as my desktop which I enjoy using, I use my laptop for work and unfortunately some of the sites I have to use (like Hospital based EMR systems) are entirely Explorer dependent.

Otherwise, I am really OS agnostic when it comes to desktops and laptops. Once you open the browser, or are using Word, it doesn't make a difference what the OS is (whereas with mobile devices such as phones and tablets - it's iOS for me all the way).

For the price, it's hard to beat the DM1Z, and I'd go so far as to say that it could be a MBA 11" killer (not sure why the Samsung 9 is referred to as one - how do you "kill" something when you are priced exactly the same as it?). Remember you are also getting a starter (not trial) version of Word and Excel which is probably sufficient for most people - for the MBA you'd have to spend another $119 and purchase Office. And that battery life appears to actually be slightly BETTER than the MBA.

So if you are going to get a MBP later on anyhow and you want something lighter and portable to carry around, I think the new DM1Z is a good choice.

carreragt7
Jan 19, 2011, 10:01 PM
People actually buy computers based on resale value???

Yup. I never own a computer longer than a year, sometimes even just a couple months. Resale on Apple products is ridiculously good, their PC equivalents not so much. Resale is a big deal to me.

wisty
Jan 19, 2011, 11:33 PM
AMD Fusion is better than an Atom, for most things. There's a couple of benchmarks where the Atom can win, but very few. But the Atom is a lot less powerful than the MBA's C2D.

It also has a nice on chip GPU that's not as good the MBA's.

The screen won't be as good (I haven't checked, but I'm willing to bet) and the HDD isn't SSD.

Half the price, for half the computer. Not bad, if it had SSD I'd be interested if I was feeling stingy.

When Llano (Fusion's big brother) comes out, then I'll be more interested. I really don't care about Atom killers, and that's what the Fusion is.

Mind you, it's great that netbooks will finally be usable.

Funkymonk
Jan 20, 2011, 02:49 AM
AMD Fusion is better than an Atom, for most things. There's a couple of benchmarks where the Atom can win, but very few. But the Atom is a lot less powerful than the MBA's C2D.

It also has a nice on chip GPU that's not as good the MBA's.

The screen won't be as good (I haven't checked, but I'm willing to bet) and the HDD isn't SSD.

Half the price, for half the computer. Not bad, if it had SSD I'd be interested if I was feeling stingy.

When Llano (Fusion's big brother) comes out, then I'll be more interested. I really don't care about Atom killers, and that's what the Fusion is.

Mind you, it's great that netbooks will finally be usable.

the air murders the dm1z in looks but I don't think it's half the machine in performance. the air is superior but the hp isn't far behind. I only wish the damn thing was thinner :p

wisty
Jan 20, 2011, 03:16 AM
the air murders the dm1z in looks but I don't think it's half the machine in performance. the air is superior but the hp isn't far behind. I only wish the damn thing was thinner :p
Yeah, it's slow, but not half as slow as a C2D. The Atom would be half the machine, or 1/20th if you look at graphics.

I'd say at worst, 1/2 the machine, but possibly 2/3 the machine. But it's really hard to compare.

I'm going off a review here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked/3
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked/5

Basically, Zacate is a bit better than Atom, which is a lot worse than a C2D. Though the 1.4Ghz is a pretty bad C2D.

Also, the GPU on Zacate is fantastic for on-chip (better than Intel's new high-end HD I think), but not nearly as good as an nVidia 320M.

The clincher is the SSD. Chips, even low end chips like Atom, Zacate, and slow C2Ds are almost fast enough. But hard drives are painfully slow. SSD is a no-brainer on any system. If you want to look at a non-MBA laptop, factor in the cost of upgrading the HDD.

Given the low costs of the systems, a hundred dollars or so for an SSD upgrade is a big factor.

tom vilsack
Jan 20, 2011, 05:11 AM
are savings worth?

-extra weight
-warm lap,and noise
-crapware crapware crapware
-virus/spyware/keyloggers
-slow hdd

id pass

Boston007
Jan 20, 2011, 07:40 AM
Ugly!

2IS
Jan 20, 2011, 10:15 AM
are savings worth?

-extra weight
-warm lap,and noise
-crapware crapware crapware
-virus/spyware/keyloggers
-slow hdd

id pass

- it weighs a little more, not a lot.
-How did you determine this? the review states that the machine never felt like it was overheating and that it remained at room temperature most of the time
-You're right about that
-That's an end users personal problem. I've never had a virus on my PC's. If you're going to surf porn you need to learn not to hit "yes" for every dialog box that pops up if you're on a PC. Sad but true.
-Yep, it is a slower HDD, but that's par for the course in this price range.

If you take the MBA and the HP and ask people which they want if the cost the same, most would probably go with the MBA based on looks alone. You ask those same people which they want when you give them the actual prices, most will probably opt to go with the HP. For most people a computer is merely a tool to access information. Not a fashion statement or status symbol.

Boston007
Jan 20, 2011, 10:33 AM
If you take the MBA and the HP and ask people which they want if the cost the same, most would probably go with the MBA based on looks alone. You ask those same people which they want when you give them the actual prices, most will probably opt to go with the HP. For most people a computer is merely a tool to access information. Not a fashion statement or status symbol.

Oh and Apple computers are not tools, only fashion statements?

These argument has gone on a long time and I'm sick of it.

Look, when people ask me what computer they should buy I almost always say Apple. WHY?

Because I know from past history, they get a Windows type machine and 6 months later are calling ME to friggin clean it out. I then have to go and remove all the JUNK on their systems.

Unless people are very computer savvy, like myself and can understand the process of removing spyware and keeping their computer clean, I almost always tell them to get a MAC. The extra price you pay is there for a reason.
You can't just compare specs, there's more to it.

I always end the conversation with, if you go with a windows based computer, do not ever call me to fix any spyware/virus issues.

2IS
Jan 20, 2011, 10:48 AM
Oh and Apple computers are not tools, only fashion statements?

These argument has gone on a long time and I'm sick of it.


I never said they are NOT tools, I merely said that they ARE fashion statements. That may or may not apply to you specifically but it does apply to a lot of people and that's why the argument has gone on. You being sick of it won't make it go away especially since it's true.

You can't always force a square peg in a round hole. Inexpensive PC's have their place just as their more expensive Mac counterparts do.

Boston007
Jan 20, 2011, 10:58 AM
I never said they are NOT tools, I merely said that they ARE fashion statements. That may or may not apply to you specifically but it does apply to a lot of people and that's why the argument has gone on. You being sick of it won't make it go away especially since it's true.

You can't always force a square peg in a round hole. Inexpensive PC's have their place just as their more expensive Mac counterparts do.

LOL I agree with your statement

tanbo
Jan 20, 2011, 11:38 AM
Oh and Apple computers are not tools, only fashion statements?

These argument has gone on a long time and I'm sick of it.

Look, when people ask me what computer they should buy I almost always say Apple. WHY?

Because I know from past history, they get a Windows type machine and 6 months later are calling ME to friggin clean it out. I then have to go and remove all the JUNK on their systems.

Unless people are very computer savvy, like myself and can understand the process of removing spyware and keeping their computer clean, I almost always tell them to get a MAC. The extra price you pay is there for a reason.
You can't just compare specs, there's more to it.

I always end the conversation with, if you go with a windows based computer, do not ever call me to fix any spyware/virus issues.

Actually that's not the case with Windows 7. I was always fixing my parents computer when they had XP, but when I upgraded them to a new system with 7, I stopped getting calls. It works very smoothly. We have it in our office as well.

The reason there is excessive spyware and viruses targeted towards Windows is because that is the predominant system out there. If a virus wants to propagate, it will have to do so on Windows, because there aren't enough Mac users out there. If 90% of the population was using Macs, you'd see the same problem there.

If someone doesn't mind spending over 1K for an 11.6" laptop, then go for it. The MBA design is cool. The 2GB RAM setup, however, was slow when I tested it, you need at least 4GB. For me, however, it's not as much a price issue as much as it just doesn't make sense to me, when I'll basically be using the system for Word and to browse the web, maybe listen to a little music and watch a couple of vids. But that's all anyone would do with their Mac anyhow.

In the longer run, desktop and laptop OS's will become irrelevant anyhow.

tanbo
Jan 20, 2011, 11:41 AM
are savings worth?

-extra weight
-warm lap,and noise
-crapware crapware crapware
-virus/spyware/keyloggers
-slow hdd

id pass

It's not a slow HDD, it runs at 7200 rpm, that's a pretty fast HDD. However, there is a SSD option as well, which will obviously make it run even faster and also apparently adds another hour to what is already a MBA-killing battery life.

Xil3
Jan 20, 2011, 02:43 PM
If the touch pad was the same size as the MBA's, I'd definitely go for it.

bloodycape
Jan 20, 2011, 10:56 PM
Personally I prefer the Lenovo X120e(same specs as the HP) over the HP for one key reason alone. It comes with a matte screen which I am told is pretty nice to use. Plus, you can get a bigger battery, granted it sticks out, but still an option for when you really need it I guess.

I would like to get the Air, but I need an optical drive, and a matte screen in a 12in or under size, plus other than the gpu the rest of the specs are pretty identical. The Lenovo came close, but cpu is a downgrade from the SU9x000 cpu.

tom vilsack
Jan 21, 2011, 01:33 AM
- it weighs a little more, not a lot.
-How did you determine this? the review states that the machine never felt like it was overheating and that it remained at room temperature most of the time
-You're right about that
-That's an end users personal problem. I've never had a virus on my PC's. If you're going to surf porn you need to learn not to hit "yes" for every dialog box that pops up if you're on a PC. Sad but true.
-Yep, it is a slower HDD, but that's par for the course in this price range.

If you take the MBA and the HP and ask people which they want if the cost the same, most would probably go with the MBA based on looks alone. You ask those same people which they want when you give them the actual prices, most will probably opt to go with the HP. For most people a computer is merely a tool to access information. Not a fashion statement or status symbol.

-extra pound is extra pound (carry around all day and you notice weight)
-im assuming from past hp laptop (damn thing cooked lap and sounded like a jet plane when fans kicked up
-glad we agree about crapware
-dont ask me how (and no i don't watch porn) but got some spyware program once that required reinstall of os...was pain
-air's ssd makes all the difference (way more then cpu or ram)


-with apple earnings from a couple days back...they said one of reasons for blowout earnings was due to air...thus i think most people would pay up for it....in fact they are!

2IS
Jan 21, 2011, 02:05 AM
-with apple earnings from a couple days back...they said one of reasons for blowout earnings was due to air...thus i think most people would pay up for it....in fact they are!

Really? You think most people are willing to pay twice as much because of an SSD and <1lb. Perhaps I should have clarified my position. When I say "most people" i'm talking about the rest of the world, not forum members. The Air selling well does not mean most people are buying it over less expensive products. I'm not sure how you're coming to that conclusion. Sure, maybe if you look at specific model sales, the Air may sell more than a single particular competing model, but that's not exactly an accurate comparison since there are tons of PC products that compete against one another.

I deal with people on a regular basis, and while MOST are impressed with the Air when I show them mine, MOST of them give me a funny look, promptly shut the lid and hand it back to me after I tell them how much I paid. You just need remove your white tinted glasses to know that most people are in fact, quite cheap.

cooljoe349
Jan 21, 2011, 07:58 AM
I love my Macbook Air!

Cerano
Jan 21, 2011, 09:15 AM
The Engadget review gave the HP a score of 2213 on the 3DMark and supposedly it is capable of 1080p (though the screen is 720p, like the 11" MacBook Airs). It's still well shy of a current MacBook Air, but might other AMD chips be capable of putting out similar numbers?

im not sure how they arrived at that value

take a look at this

http://lgponthemove.blogspot.com/2010/09/first-impressions-hp-dm1z-notebook.html

On the GPU side, AMD is offering the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4225 graphics. Pulling in a 3DMark06 score of 1444, this solution is better than the anemic 3150 found in the N550 by around a factor of 10.

Compared to

an overclocked 320m 3dmark 06 score of 5340

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=904300

stockwise its around mid to high 4k+

Drezin
Jan 21, 2011, 09:37 AM
-
-That's an end users personal problem. I've never had a virus on my PC's. If you're going to surf porn you need to learn not to hit "yes" for every dialog box that pops up if you're on a PC. Sad but true.


-
-dont ask me how (and no i don't watch porn) but got some spyware program once that required reinstall of os...was pain

in my experience, people who claim not to have ever had a virus on Windows are those who have their computers completely infected and donīt realize it.

"no need to scan my thumb drive, no viruses... my pc is clean"
few minutes later... "57 threats detected"

Boston007
Jan 21, 2011, 10:20 AM
in my experience, people who claim not to have ever had a virus on Windows are those who have their computers completely infected and donīt realize it.

"no need to scan my thumb drive, no viruses... my pc is clean"
few minutes later... "57 threats detected"

These people are idiots. They think spyware is only gotten through porn sites.
How stupid and naive they are. Spyware is hidden in many different sites.

Type in a wrong url and you'll go to a nice spam site.

While Win7 is much more secure than the previous versions of Windows you STILL need to install some form of malware program.

BTW, to those with PCs MalwareBytes and Microsoft Security Essentials are all you will ever need. They are the best and that is a fact.

2IS
Jan 21, 2011, 01:17 PM
in my experience, people who claim not to have ever had a virus on Windows are those who have their computers completely infected and donīt realize it.

"no need to scan my thumb drive, no viruses... my pc is clean"
few minutes later... "57 threats detected"

I run scans routinely bud. Other than tracking cookies, which isn't a virus, trojen, keylogger or anything of the sort, it's clean. I'm not doubting your experience, but there are people out there that actually do know what they're doing and I happen to be savvy enough to avoid infection. If I'm going to open anything that I even think may contain any malicious code, I run it in Virtual PC.

robeddie
Jan 21, 2011, 02:00 PM
Ugly!

Here's what I don't get - why include that fat, ugly VGA port on such a thin machine. You can always buy a digital to analog cable for 19 bucks, in the event your video gear is from the 1990's.

trip1ex
Jan 21, 2011, 02:14 PM
MBA has better resale value.

Sturdier chassis. Feels better. Will wear better.

Less weight. Major difference. I think it's nearly a 1 1/2 lbs difference. The MBA weighs around 40% less.

Looks better. Aluminum vs creaky plastic.

Much faster cpu. Core2Duo vs a faster atom-class cpu

faster gpu? Haven't confirmed or denied this yet. But I do know most $600 pc laptops do not have faster gpus than the 320M.

Better screen. Often overlooked. But most cheap pcs have cheap screens with poorer color/contrast and viewing angles. MBA screen gets big win.

Better trackpad. Don't overlook this. Noticed in quite a few cheaper pc laptops that the trackpads are a bit flakey and annoying. And smaller. And no multi-gestures or flakier multi-gestures.

FAster storage because of SSD. This is a $150 difference right there.

30 day sleep with instant-on. Great feature of new MBA.

iPhoto/iMovie/Time Machine vs pc software/bloatware. I don't think you're getting this type of quality software on most cheap pcs.

lack of spyware/viruses and need for extra resource eating programs running in the background. Yes you can get free programs which will save some money. All will eat computer resources though. And can interfere with other programs.



$500 more for that.

HP gets you some more standard ports without use of adapters.

Age old story of Macs vs pcs.

bloodycape
Jan 21, 2011, 07:20 PM
No, way the weight difference is a 1lbs and half. The air weights like what 2.7lbs while this weights in at about 3.5lbs.

Creaky plastic? My iBook, which I am pretty sure was made out of plastic and never creaked nor does the Macbooks of friends and family that have one(around 5). My mothers Vaio F(made out of plastic) she uses for work never creaks, nor does my carbon fiber plastic Vaio TT(only valid replacement I could find for the iBook).

As for the SSD both HP and the similar spec'ed Lenovo come with an SSD option. Plus, instant on isn't just a feature of the MBA, pretty much any laptop with a proper SSD will have that feature. I know I have seen MBP, Sony Vaio, and Lenovo X201 tablets with an intel SSD installed have start ups just as fast as the Air, and wake times from sleep that also the same.

Just saying. I wish Apple could bring back the something like the old 12in Powerbook. A compact 12in(or the now popular 11.6in or new popular Lenovo 12.5in) machine with an optical drive firewire, sd card slot and a couple of usb ports.

TSE
Jan 21, 2011, 07:51 PM
My god, the fanboyism in here astonishes me.

Look, one laptop is $450, the other is $1000. There is more than a 100% price difference. The DM1 is awesome for what it is, the Air is awesome for what it is. Let's leave it at that. While the same form factor, they are two totally different beasts.

Cerano
Jan 21, 2011, 08:52 PM
MBA has better resale value.

Sturdier chassis. Feels better. Will wear better.

Less weight. Major difference. I think it's nearly a 1 1/2 lbs difference. The MBA weighs around 40% less.

Looks better. Aluminum vs creaky plastic.

Much faster cpu. Core2Duo vs a faster atom-class cpu

faster gpu? Haven't confirmed or denied this yet. But I do know most $600 pc laptops do not have faster gpus than the 320M.

Better screen. Often overlooked. But most cheap pcs have cheap screens with poorer color/contrast and viewing angles. MBA screen gets big win.

Better trackpad. Don't overlook this. Noticed in quite a few cheaper pc laptops that the trackpads are a bit flakey and annoying. And smaller. And no multi-gestures or flakier multi-gestures.

FAster storage because of SSD. This is a $150 difference right there.

30 day sleep with instant-on. Great feature of new MBA.

iPhoto/iMovie/Time Machine vs pc software/bloatware. I don't think you're getting this type of quality software on most cheap pcs.

lack of spyware/viruses and need for extra resource eating programs running in the background. Yes you can get free programs which will save some money. All will eat computer resources though. And can interfere with other programs.



$500 more for that.

HP gets you some more standard ports without use of adapters.

Age old story of Macs vs pcs.

Apparently their CPU is quite fast. way faster than an Atom.
GPU however is 1/3 to 1/4 as slow

TSE
Jan 21, 2011, 08:57 PM
The GPU isn't THAT much slower. I guarantee it. The ATI Radeon 6310 is slightly faster than the graphics in nVidia ION 2.

Cerano
Jan 21, 2011, 09:21 PM
The GPU isn't THAT much slower. I guarantee it. The ATI Radeon 6310 is slightly faster than the graphics in nVidia ION 2.

mate, the benchmarks say for themselves what they do

TSE
Jan 21, 2011, 09:23 PM
http://forum.notebookreview.com/notebook-news-reviews/547661-hp-pavilion-dm1z-review-discussion.html

Read that thread. It says otherwise. Benchmarks are a ballpark estimate.

Cerano
Jan 21, 2011, 09:34 PM
http://forum.notebookreview.com/notebook-news-reviews/547661-hp-pavilion-dm1z-review-discussion.html

Read that thread. It says otherwise. Benchmarks are a ballpark estimate.

i think 3dmark 06 is as good as any gauge we have for obtaining real life figures

the graph on the thread shows CPU power not GPU power

and WPRIME is a very "benchmark"

if you're familiar with 3Dmark you will know its one of the most real life benchmarks around

TSE
Jan 21, 2011, 09:38 PM
i think 3dmark 06 is as good as any gauge we have for obtaining real life figures

the graph on the thread shows CPU power not GPU power

and WPRIME is a very "benchmark"

if you're familiar with 3Dmark you will know its one of the most real life benchmarks around

No, it isn't. While 3dmark 06 is more accurate than other benchmarks, it is still a benchmark. There are ways to artificially increase benchmark scores - something Intel and nVidia have been known to do. Look it up.

2IS
Jan 21, 2011, 09:56 PM
i think 3dmark 06 is as good as any gauge we have for obtaining real life figures

the graph on the thread shows CPU power not GPU power

and WPRIME is a very "benchmark"

if you're familiar with 3Dmark you will know its one of the most real life benchmarks around

Seriously, go join some hardware forums and you'll learn how much of a joke 3DMark has become. 3d mark doesn't mean crap. It's good for testing the performance gain from an overclock. It is in no way an accurate measurement of how two DIFFERENT cards perform. I replaced an 8800GT in my desktop with a HD 4850 a couple years ago. The 4850 actually scored a little lower than the 8800GT but performed better in literally every single game I played. nVidia chipsets have for the most part performed a bit better in 3DMark, that performance gap rarely gets maintained when going to in-Game performance, which is what matters. If you think 3D Mark is accurate, you REALLY don't know what you're talking about.

Cerano
Jan 21, 2011, 10:05 PM
Seriously, go join some hardware forums and you'll learn how much of a joke 3DMark has become. 3d mark doesn't mean crap. It's good for testing the performance gain from an overclock. It is in no way an accurate measurement of how two DIFFERENT cards perform. I replaced an 8800GT in my desktop with a HD 4850 a couple years ago. The 4850 actually scored a little lower than the 8800GT but performed better in literally every single game I played. nVidia chipsets have for the most part performed a bit better in 3DMark, that performance gap rarely gets maintained when going to in-Game performance, which is what matters. If you think 3D Mark is accurate, you REALLY don't know what you're talking about.

im in HWZ and Anandtech and NBR. Honestly 3Dmark is as accurate as any benchmark goes out there right now

its still a synthetic benchmark I agree and does not represent some real life situations however I think its pretty good mate :)

With that said I agree we need to go look at real life FPS.
However, given the CPU, it may in fact be a bottleneck for the Dm1's GPU performance on certain games

2IS
Jan 21, 2011, 10:45 PM
Like I said, it's good for certain things, like testing the same card at different clock speeds. It'll give you a good indication of how much performance is lost/gained. It's a decent stability test if you're looking for artifacts, particularly if you loop the tests and allow the heat to build up. When you start using to compare the performance of GPU's with different architectures however, it becomes grossly inadequate. And that's before we facter into account driver cheats or as nVIdia likes to call them, "optimizations" that strictly benefit 3DMark score. Both nVidia and ATI/AMD have been guilty of these optimizations, but the former more so.

Cerano
Jan 21, 2011, 11:42 PM
Like I said, it's good for certain things, like testing the same card at different clock speeds. It'll give you a good indication of how much performance is lost/gained. It's a decent stability test if you're looking for artifacts, particularly if you loop the tests and allow the heat to build up. When you start using to compare the performance of GPU's with different architectures however, it becomes grossly inadequate. And that's before we facter into account driver cheats or as nVIdia likes to call them, "optimizations" that strictly benefit 3DMark score. Both nVidia and ATI/AMD have been guilty of these optimizations, but the former more so.

correct nvidia does do that :D

DarwinOSX
Jan 22, 2011, 12:10 AM
I wouldn't take Engadget's word for anything for a wide variety of reasons.
HP consumer laptops are poorly made with terrible quality control and support. Their corporate laptops like the W series are much better but cost as much or more than Mac laptops. Plus they run Windows and I've had enough Windows to last me a lifetime. Windows 7 is just Microsoft's latest mediocrity. if your fine with Windows you can do better than this HP. Look at the Toshiba Portege series for example.


engadget just did a review for it: Got an 8/10. (know it doesn't mean anything but the air 11" got a 7/10)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/hp-pavilion-dm1z-with-amd-fusion-review/

main selling point for me is that it's $450. I'm okay with both windows 7 and osx.

you guys think it's a good buy?

I plan on getting the mbp 13" when it gets updated but I also wanted a 11" machine to use at home for browsing and watching videos. Gonna give it to my sister when I get the mbp. I was planning on getting the air 11" because it's a sexy little machine but now I'm thinking it's a stupid buy because I'm gonna get the mbp 13" too.

Funkymonk
Feb 9, 2011, 11:26 PM
update

Got the dm1z.

Build quaility: 8/10 points deducted because some sort of metal would have been nice. Now the reason it got an 8 would be because its very solidly build. I even love the feel of it in my hand.

Touchpad: 8/10 it was very responsive but I wish it was taller. Macs haves me spoiled here

Performance: 10/10 I had 8tabs open one listening too music the others are flash sites. All this while I opened a word document and wrote a thank you letter to my boss for writing me a letter of recommendation. 0 freeze or lag everything went smooth as hell.

Gaming: 9/10 just played mw2 mid to high setting across the board. Played smoothly around 25 to 35 fps.

Battery: 10/10 got 5.5 hours

Scrren: 9/10 with a 1366x768 resolution it was crisp clear and bright. Wish resolution was higher but whateva


Overall: 9




typing from my I touch so sorry for the errors :p

shamash
Feb 10, 2011, 12:47 AM
People actually buy computers based on resale value???

Definitely part of the reason I buy apple products.

My first laptop was a $600 Acer, which I sold for $250 a year after I got it, to buy my first Macbook for about $1000. I sold the Macbook 2.5 years later for $700.

Just a little example on how when you buy Apple, you might spend more, but if you're reselling when you upgrade, you might just be saving more than you think. I may have just spent $1700 on an Ultimate 13 MBA, but I'm thinking my old 15" MBP will go for at least $1000, making it a 700 dollar upgrade.

axu539
Feb 10, 2011, 12:49 AM
update

Got the dm1z.

Build quaility: 8/10 points deducted because some sort of metal would have been nice. Now the reason it got an 8 would be because its very solidly build. I even love the feel of it in my hand.

Touchpad: 8/10 it was very responsive but I wish it was taller. Macs haves me spoiled here

Performance: 10/10 I had 8tabs open one listening too music the others are flash sites. All this while I opened a word document and wrote a thank you letter to my boss for writing me a letter of recommendation. 0 freeze or lag everything went smooth as hell.

Gaming: 9/10 just played mw2 mid to high setting across the board. Played smoothly around 25 to 35 fps.

Battery: 10/10 got 5.5 hours

Scrren: 9/10 with a 1366x768 resolution it was crisp clear and bright. Wish resolution was higher but whateva


Overall: 9




typing from my I touch so sorry for the errors :p

How's the weight/size? Have you compared it to the 11" MBA? (just curious!)

Funkymonk
Feb 10, 2011, 12:11 PM
How's the weight/size? Have you compared it to the 11" MBA? (just curious!)

mba 11" is 2.3lbs and the dm1z is 3.5lbs. substantial for some but I don't really feel it. what I do feel is the difference in thinness. mba tapers from .68" to .11", dm1z on the other hand is from 1.2" down to .8" so even at it's thinnest point it's thicker than the mba at it's thickest. doesn't really bother me though although it would've been nice. my friend has a mba 11" and what I like so much on that than the dm1z is it's trackpad where on the dm1z is quite big and responsive, it's not as tall as the one on the mba.

I abuse small things and am very happy that I went with the dm1z over the air. paying $550 more for something thinner with a better touchpad wasn't worth it for me. And honestly I don't feel a difference in performance either because I'm a light user. AMD fusion is incredibly capable. If need to do something heavier like photoshop or something and your a career photographer for example than I completely understand getting the air over this.

Now to wait for the new MBP 13" to release and wait for the student deal where they give a free itouch along with it and I'll be set :cool:

fibrizo
Feb 10, 2011, 12:17 PM
I'll do a comparison when I get mine. I ordered one a few days ago.

I have a mba 11.6 ultimate config 1.6ghz 4gb ram 128gb ssd... It's my favorite machine (ie the one I use all the time) on the minus side, it cost 1399+tax.

I have ordered a dm1z with 3gb ram and 320gb hd for 419$. I will be ordering a sandforce 64gb SSD for about 100$. Total cost will be 520$+tax

I am buying it as a laptop to bring to work on the bad side of town I'm going to be at for 4 months. the MBA says "please mug me!" and dells and HP say "Do you have any spare change?"

I see no reason to crap on something because it's not an air. I expect to get about ~90% of the performance of a stock base air in normal day to day activities and uses for about 50% of the cost. Yes it's heavier, but apparently runs cool and has a better battery life in usage than the MBA.

I plan to go back to the air as my daily carry once I finish, and the DM1z will go to my fiance to replace her netbook she uses as a main comp.

It's the right tool for the right job.

Funkymonk
Feb 10, 2011, 12:30 PM
I'll do a comparison when I get mine. I ordered one a few days ago.

I have a mba 11.6 ultimate config 1.6ghz 4gb ram 128gb ssd... It's my favorite machine (ie the one I use all the time) on the minus side, it cost 1399+tax.

I have ordered a dm1z with 3gb ram and 320gb hd for 419$. I will be ordering a sandforce 64gb SSD for about 100$. Total cost will be 520$+tax

I am buying it as a laptop to bring to work on the bad side of town I'm going to be at for 4 months. the MBA says "please mug me!" and dells and HP say "Do you have any spare change?"

I see no reason to crap on something because it's not an air. I expect to get about ~90% of the performance of a stock base air in normal day to day activities and uses for about 50% of the cost. Yes it's heavier, but apparently runs cool and has a better battery life in usage than the MBA.

I plan to go back to the air as my daily carry once I finish, and the DM1z will go to my fiance to replace her netbook she uses as a main comp.

It's the right tool for the right job.

yes it runs very cool. your fiance would love it! lmao I don't think dell and HP says "do you have any spare change?" :o. I brought it to class with me and this very hot girl with an ipad was just asking me about it. got her number so we can study for our economics midterm. might use this opportunity and am tempted to cheat on the gf :p

kamalds
Feb 10, 2011, 05:49 PM
Slightly OT, but these Fusion chips do look pretty impressive. Given Apple's past decisions to emphasize graphics performance over CPU performance (namely, their decision to stick with the Core 2 Duo rather than use the Arrandale integrated graphics), might the idea of an AMD-equipped MacBook Air not be so far -fetched?

Exactly. Check out Asus 1215B. Same size as DM1 and packs AMD K125, ATi 6250

Liebo11
Feb 12, 2011, 01:13 AM
I'll do a comparison when I get mine. I ordered one a few days ago.

I have a mba 11.6 ultimate config 1.6ghz 4gb ram 128gb ssd... It's my favorite machine (ie the one I use all the time) on the minus side, it cost 1399+tax.

I have ordered a dm1z with 3gb ram and 320gb hd for 419$. I will be ordering a sandforce 64gb SSD for about 100$. Total cost will be 520$+tax

I am buying it as a laptop to bring to work on the bad side of town I'm going to be at for 4 months. the MBA says "please mug me!" and dells and HP say "Do you have any spare change?"

I see no reason to crap on something because it's not an air. I expect to get about ~90% of the performance of a stock base air in normal day to day activities and uses for about 50% of the cost. Yes it's heavier, but apparently runs cool and has a better battery life in usage than the MBA.

I plan to go back to the air as my daily carry once I finish, and the DM1z will go to my fiance to replace her netbook she uses as a main comp.

It's the right tool for the right job.

may i ask where you got it for $419?

iPadztr
Feb 12, 2011, 10:23 AM
I'm buying this one for my 10yr old son for his projects and homework. Pretty decent laptop for the price and performance. Doesnt really compete w/ the MBA, but it does give the affordability for consumers who can't afford the MBA.

iPadztr
Feb 12, 2011, 10:28 AM
may i ask where you got it for $419?

go to HP website and add the laptop on your cart and use this coupon.

LHD30

it will expire 4/30

http://livehotdeals.com/HP-Pavilion-dm1z-series_47623?utm_source=google_ad

MBA13
Aug 23, 2011, 02:34 PM
engadget just did a review for it: Got an 8/10. (know it doesn't mean anything but the air 11" got a 7/10)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/hp-pavilion-dm1z-with-amd-fusion-review/



Excuse the old thread, but although I appreciate the HP dm1z, its construction is garbage in comparison to a MBA. Price is what drives the dm1z's value, there is no other. After finally getting my hands on one I now know why Sony for exmple has the same for alot more money. Granted I only paid 380 for the dm1z (7200rpm HD), you get what you pay for. But I can not justify paying any more for what is a lower end power.

Paying 500 and up for a nicer build Sony, is just shy of much more powerful systems, even getting a 11Air, even refurb, is a total different experience. Not to mention will look state of the art years after. PC's look like crap after a year.

Note, the HP touch mouse pad is large and responds well to touch, though there is a raised horizontal line which is annoying (WTF). Truth be told a HUGE another reason why I wrote off the Sony was because Sony's mouse pad is itsy bitsy small. I was a big advocate of HP by the specifications, but after seeing the construction in person, even compared to other HP laptops, the dm1z apeal is left wanting... Dam you Apple!!

For the value, the dm1z is a good buy, you just need to remember to format and reinstall Windows without all the software garbage, same for any Windows based computer, otherwise one should buy Apple.

FYI, Staples appears to now have the dm1z on display if anyone is curious.

Fernandez21
Aug 23, 2011, 06:09 PM
I know this is an old thread, but NOTHING hp makes compares to the air or macbook pros. Hp is crap.

DarwinOSX
Aug 23, 2011, 07:32 PM
Believing an Engagdet "review" is your first mistake. That site is a bunch of kids whose main job is to post nonsense to generate page views and ads.

HP consumer laptops are cheap plastic junk with minimal support. Their business laptops are excellent but cost four times more. Plus you would be running Windows.

Besides HP is getting out of consumer laptops. There is no money in making cheap laptops.



engadget just did a review for it: Got an 8/10. (know it doesn't mean anything but the air 11" got a 7/10)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/hp-pavilion-dm1z-with-amd-fusion-review/

main selling point for me is that it's $450. I'm okay with both windows 7 and osx.

you guys think it's a good buy?

I plan on getting the mbp 13" when it gets updated but I also wanted a 11" machine to use at home for browsing and watching videos. Gonna give it to my sister when I get the mbp. I was planning on getting the air 11" because it's a sexy little machine but now I'm thinking it's a stupid buy because I'm gonna get the mbp 13" too.

minnus
Aug 23, 2011, 08:10 PM
I am typing on the Lenovo equivalent, the x120e. It is definitely light at 3lbs, and with installing my own SSD, is snappy as hell. I paid... 340 for it plus the price of the SSD (100 ish) -- half the price of the Macbook Air.

5-6 months ago when this post was made, I'd say that this is fairly competitive with the Air. Now with the new one, I would definitely pay the extra for the i5.

shakenmartini
Aug 24, 2011, 06:31 PM
My wife has a dm1z and I have a MacBook pro 17" 2008 and now a MacBook Air 13".

The dm1z is a total piece of crap. We have had to reinstall the OS on it a few times in less than 2 months because HP has pushed updates that prevent it from booting. After the second time, we turned off the HP's version of autoupdate. The last update problem corrupted the files it updated and I had to rebuild the system from scratch.

The track pad is tiny and the mouse buttons are extremely loud. The build quality of it is overall poor. It feels like cheap plastic.

Because it is Windows 7 home premium, we cannot use the MS backup software to backup to my NAS box. You have to get the business professional to backup over the network. Cobian backup does the job, but what an annoyance not to be able to do this out of the box.

The screen quality of the dm1z is terrible. It is much dimmer than the MBA and MBP screens. It is also much worse than an older Dell latitude that she had prior to the dm1z. Same problem the dm1z screen is very dim. In a darkish room this isn't a problem but anywhere with sunlight makes reading the screen difficult.

After my wife saw/used my new MacBook Air 13", we are ordering her either an 11" or 13" depending on which size she prefers, even though she is a PC girl.