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nozzleman
Jan 21, 2011, 12:00 PM
IF APPLE WANTS TO RULE MY DIGITAL WORLD


If Apple wants to rule my digital world they have to rule the largest screen in my world, my TV. Apples latest version of the Apple TV is a step in the right direction but if I was designing the Apple TV this is what I would do.

Where Apple is failing with the ATV at this point is that it is not an " always on " device, meaning if my wife takes a picture on her iPhone or sees a funny video on YouTube and wants to share that with me either I have to look at the screen of the phone or the iPad, if we want to see it on the big screen I first have to change the input of my TV then turn on the ATV and then use Airplay to stream it over not convenient.

First the design of the ATV, I think anyone who has ever owned an ATV has always wished for a TV tuner in it. Well my design would have a TV tuner and DVR functionality it would come in either 64 or 128 gig flash memory versions.

Now imagine this I am watching TV on my ATV and my wife has just taken a picture or video with her iPhone or has found the best video ever on YouTube and she has got to show it to me right this very second but I am in the dying minutes of the game but I don't want to be in the doghouse. As she walks into the room she turns on AirPlay on whatever iOS device she has and my game disappears from the screen and a picture or video replaces it in seconds, am I loosing my mind because I am missing the game? No because as soon as AirPlay was turned on my good old ATV started recording whatever I was watching to it's flash memory so I don't miss the game and I am not in the doghouse for being insensitive and not wanting to see what she had to show me. Apple could be saving marriages and relationships all over.

With that DVR functionality I can record TV shows and either transfer them to my iPhone or iPad to take along with me or I can access the ATV remotely and watch live TV or watch something that has been recorded or even schedule a TV recording, an " always on " device.

My redesigned ATV would have the ability to run apps. Again imagine I am watching TV and in the background I have Facebook running and one of my buddies posts a new status and guess what, right there in my top right hand corner of my screen his status shows up for a few seconds then fades away. Let's say that same buddy posts a YouTube video, well because my ATV has Safari onboard I am able to navigate to the video and watch it and oh yeah I am not missing a minute of my show because the DVR has kicked in and is recording the last thing I was watching. There are all kinds of apps that could run in the background weather, Twitter, game stats you are only limited by your imagination.

What is another part of my digital world that Apple has been trying to rule? Gaming. Just think about it I have a great new game but I want to play it on the big screen, Airplay and you are playing on the big screen. What you don't want to use up space on your ATV for games or the game is too large or needs more computing power not a problem use your Mac as the game console and the ATV as just the display device and your iPhone as the controller. Even with my Mac being the game console the ATV is ruling my digital world because it gives me the ability to use my TV as my screen for gaming.

I do not pretend to know all the legal stuff when it comes to TV recording and if there is a fee a DVR manufacturer has to pay to cable companies but I bet cable companies would waive that fee if they could have real time data on what is being watched, by who and where. If you feel this is an invasion of your privacy well cable companies do it now without your knowledge at least this way it would with your consent. In the past it has not been in real time that these stats would be available they would conduct a phone survey to find this out and crunch a few numbers to come up with a pretty good guess. This data could be a way for Apple to either get around fees for the DVR if there are fees or if there are not fees whats to say Apple makes money by placing it's own ads in the commercial spots. All of this would work and create another revenue stream.

In my latest readings it sounds like Microsoft is moving away from it's Media Center functionality in the next version of Windows. I hear many complains about HTPC's saying they are complicated. I believe Media Center was before it's time and form factor is it's downfall. Microsoft wanted you to put a computer tower in your living room or entertainment stand, if you were not some kind of computer geek this was a little intimidating . Apple has that done already, they have found the form factor that has been accepted, computing power and OS have caught up to the form factor needed for the living room all that needs to be done now is to put the pieces together.

In closing I hope someone from Apple reads this because this is what us the consumers want hell maybe Apple should just get into the HDTV manufacturing business with all these functions built right in they build a beautiful 27" iMac not much of a stretch to go to 50". In my world I could have been writing this on my TV while my ATV is recording the show I missed while writing this. Please weigh in on this, the more of a response this gets maybe just maybe we'll start to see this become reality. Again I do not pretend to know all on how this works but I am a buying consumer looking for that next device to bring it all together and I believe Apple is right there they just need a little push by the buying public. Thanks for taking the time to read this.


Phil



MacDawg
Jan 21, 2011, 12:04 PM
In closing I hope someone from Apple reads this

They would be more likely to read it if you submitted it to them on their feedback form

Welcome to the Forums
Interesting first post

nozzleman
Jan 21, 2011, 12:15 PM
I did as you suggested, this time they accepted my feedback. The first time I posted it to them they wrote me to tell me they removed it. I just hope to generate some ideas/disscussion. Thanks

rayward
Jan 21, 2011, 12:27 PM
TL/DR
- Steve Jobs


Just kidding. I like the ideas, especially the ATV/DVR/TV Tuner concept.

rdowns
Jan 21, 2011, 12:51 PM
Let's get those Apple should buy Tivo posts going.

chrono1081
Jan 21, 2011, 01:16 PM
I did as you suggested, this time they accepted my feedback. The first time I posted it to them they wrote me to tell me they removed it. I just hope to generate some ideas/disscussion. Thanks

Were you posting it on the forum? Or the feedback form.

http://www.apple.com/feedback is the correct place to submit suggestions.

s15119
Jan 21, 2011, 01:34 PM
"First the design of the ATV, I think anyone who has ever owned an ATV has always wished for a TV tuner in it."


Why. I own and ATV - I have no wish for a TV Tuner in it. Why would I? It's hooked up to my TV which has a very nice tuner, thank you very much :-)

nozzleman
Jan 21, 2011, 01:39 PM
I actually posted to both and both were removed. After another post on here suggest I try it. I tried it again in the just the feedback form this time and it was accepted. Thanks for the feedback. I have thought about this subject for a long time and decided today I was going to sit down a right a kind of mission statement to Apple.

I hope Apple realizes they are just right there on the edge with this, they may be seeing how Google fairs out with it's version but Google is like a bull in a china shop they throw things out there and then try to sort out the fallout.

In regards to the Tivo deal this puts Apple in a spot, they then would become direct competition to the cable companies that Apple gets it's TV programming for itunes. Apple doesn't like to be in direct competition unless it can win. At this point and time people are looking for ways to cut the cable but still haven't not completely. So in the short term this is a situation when it is best to work with them and save the big battle for another day.

Thanks again everyone for the replies I love reading them.

Phil

KeithJenner
Jan 21, 2011, 02:12 PM
A while ago I would have agreed with most of your suggestion, but now I'm not so sure.

I previously used Windows Media Center, which I believe is one of the best things that Microsoft have produced. However, it never really took off as well as I had expected it to.

We used it for everything. We listened to music, watched and recorded TV and also watched our ripped DVD's on it. One of my great fears when moving over to the Apple TV was that the lack of a TV tuner would be a problem.

However, now we have the Apple TV, I'm really glad it doesn't have one. It makes us use the Apple TV for what we bought it for (to view our DVD rips and to listen to music) and, rather that being stuck within that one package, it has really opened up our TV. We use our Sky box for every day viewing and recording, and are now more likely to turn on the PS3. Previously, changing the channel on the TV was something we just very rarely did.

The killer problem though was that people didn't like using Media Center. If the in-laws came over to babysit there was no way we could leave the TV on Media Center. They were terrified of it. I knew quite a few people who were interested in it, but a quick demo quickly put them off. It was just too overwhelming for a lot of people. They just didn't want to have to deal with a computer to watch the TV.

That's the great thing about the Apple TV. It is simple to use. There are a lot of things in your post that sound good, but I seriously doubt whether it will sell anything like as well as you think.

PurdueGuy
Jan 21, 2011, 03:41 PM
One box to rule them all is going to leave someone unhappy. And companies making DVRs don't have to pay cable companies a thing. They pay Tribune for guide data (as does the cable company) and the customer pays the cable company for a CableCARD or STB (if needed).

If I'm watching TV, I want to be in control of what pauses it.

I'm perfectly happy changing inputs. I don't want one box that is:
- DVR
- BluRay/DVD
- Netflix
- Hulu
- YouTube
- Amazon
- Blah blah blah

I have redundancy now, and if I need to use my HTPC for something, or TiVo is recording 2 shows already, I can use something else for Netflix. If my one and only one device breaks, I'm out of EVERYTHING.

kiranmk2
Jan 21, 2011, 03:57 PM
Don't forget that Apple doesn't want you to watch TV. It wants you to subscribe to a season pass so you watch your programs on your schedule rather than relying on live TV.

iPhoneCollector
Jan 21, 2011, 04:03 PM
That would be really expensive. But overall not a bad idea

GFLPraxis
Jan 21, 2011, 04:21 PM
I just want an Apple TV with a composite input :(

I have multiple TVs in the house, and besides the 50" 3DTV, one of them is an older 54" projection SDTV that works much better for gaming. Would love to be able to stream video to it, because 480i/p content and DVD-rips actually look lot better on it than on the newer TV (on which it looks pixellated), and the TV can't be used for anything other than gaming in its current state (I cancelled cable and stream everything).

A PS3 would work to stream to it, but that's $299 to stream to an older TV...

emptyCup
Jan 21, 2011, 05:02 PM
I hope someone from Apple reads this because this is what us the consumers want

You haven't said anything that Apple doesn't know. Jobs himself said that nobody can fix TV because nobody can get the content providers together or produce a box that enough people will buy vs. the ones that cable companies give away.

The mistake you make is assuming that everyone wants the same thing you do. I have a tuner in my TV and I find there is rarely anything worth tuning in to. I don't need additional tuners. Plus many countries tax tuners. I assume people in those countries don't want to pay twice.

Same problem with DVRs. Too little content worth recording. We pay $10 / month for basic channels. I know that if I paid $80 or $120 a month there would be more. If I were paying $120 a month my cable company would give me a box with a DVR.

What I want, and what I think many people want, is ala carte TV. I want to pay for only the shows I want. I don't want to own them and I don't really want a monthly bill. Netflix is okay because it is relatively cheap. But you can't get everything and Netflix does not own their content. When Netflix starts hurting the networks there will be no more Netflix.

I think ala carte TV is coming but the networks and cable companies will fight it the same way the record companies bemoaned the death of the album. iTunes returned $12 billion to the record companies and they still think they were robbed.

I believe that right now Apple wants to demonstrate to the networks that millions will buy the appleTV just to rent programs. Soon you will be able to do more with it. Games, home movies, family pictures, stuff from you iPhone or iPad. When it becomes clear that people are using their TVs to do things other than watch commercial content then maybe the networks will budge. But they will not change until they feel their survival is at stake.

Probably you are smart enough to bit torrent your television. Most people don't know how. I don't feel it is right. But piracy did an excellent job of breaking the record companies. It would probably be more effective then writing Apple.

Much has changed since I was a kid and there were only 3 networks and no VCRs. More will change but you overestimate what Apple can do and what "us the consumers" want. Best wishes.

From A Buick 8
Jan 21, 2011, 06:24 PM
"First the design of the ATV, I think anyone who has ever owned an ATV has always wished for a TV tuner in it."


Why. I own and ATV - I have no wish for a TV Tuner in it. Why would I? It's hooked up to my TV which has a very nice tuner, thank you very much :-)

+1 no need for a tuner, already paid for one in my TV.

nsayer
Jan 21, 2011, 10:03 PM
An Apple TV app store would fix this.

There's lots of USB ATSC tuners out there, and even a couple networked ones (the HDHomeRun comes to mind).

Another good one would be an iTiVo equivalent app - something that would stream recorded shows from a TiVo.

I'd for sure buy THAT AppleTV!

ftaok
Jan 22, 2011, 09:32 AM
Where Apple is failing with the ATV at this point is that it is not an " always on " device, meaning if my wife takes a picture on her iPhone or sees a funny video on YouTube and wants to share that with me either I have to look at the screen of the phone or the iPad, if we want to see it on the big screen I first have to change the input of my TV then turn on the ATV and then use Airplay to stream it over not convenient.This is an interesting thought. Personally, I have no issues with changing inputs, but I can see where you're coming from. What you're describing is sort of like how GoogleTV does it. Someone once described GoogleTV as a replacement for Input1 and AppleTV as a replacement of Input2. Google wants to replace the built-in tuner or the CableSTB. Apple wants to replace the DVD/Blu-Ray player.

First the design of the ATV, I think anyone who has ever owned an ATV has always wished for a TV tuner in it. Well my design would have a TV tuner and DVR functionality it would come in either 64 or 128 gig flash memory versions. At one point, I've wished for DVR capabilities in a small box ... or at least a networked DVR that the aTV could easily tap into for recordings and live tv (via an available tuner). In the USA, most folks get their TV via cable or satellite. With satellite completely closed and cable stuck with CableCard, I think it'll be a long time before you see DVR capabilities for aTV. The small percentage of people on OTA is not worth it for Apple to target.

The only thing that I can think of is that if Apple opens up the aTV for apps, someone (probably Silicon Dust) could write an app that connects to the HDHomeRun tuners over the network. With the CableCard version of the HDHR close to being ready, perhaps the aTV could "record" or watch premium cable channels. I could see that iOS would be more acceptable to CableLabs vs. OS X.

Now imagine this I am watching TV on my ATV and my wife has just taken a picture or video with her iPhone or has found the best video ever on YouTube and she has got to show it to me right this very second but I am in the dying minutes of the game but I don't want to be in the doghouse. As she walks into the room she turns on AirPlay on whatever iOS device she has and my game disappears from the screen and a picture or video replaces it in seconds, am I loosing my mind because I am missing the game? No because as soon as AirPlay was turned on my good old ATV started recording whatever I was watching to it's flash memory so I don't miss the game and I am not in the doghouse for being insensitive and not wanting to see what she had to show me. Apple could be saving marriages and relationships all over.I think the aTV will ask the user if they want to switch to Airplay. EDIT - I just checked. Airplay interrupted the video that my kids were watching.

My redesigned ATV would have the ability to run apps. Again imagine I am watching TV and in the background I have Facebook running and one of my buddies posts a new status and ...agreed

What is another part of my digital world that Apple has been trying to rule? Gaming. Just think about it I have a great new game but I want to play it on the big screen, Airplay and you are playing on the big screen. What you don't want to use up space on your ATV for games or the game is too large or needs more computing power not a problem use your Mac as the game console and the ATV as just the display device and your iPhone as the controller. Even with my Mac being the game console the ATV is ruling my digital world because it gives me the ability to use my TV as my screen for gaming.One way around the limited onboard flash storage of the aTV for gaming would be to store games on an iTunes connected computer and use Home Share. Games would load over the network on-demand

In my latest readings it sounds like Microsoft is moving away from it's Media Center functionality in the next version of Windows. I hear many complains about HTPC's saying they are complicated. I believe Media Center was before it's time and form factor is it's downfall. Microsoft wanted you to put a computer tower in your living room or entertainment stand, if you were not some kind of computer geek this was a little intimidating . Apple has that done already, they have found the form factor that has been accepted, computing power and OS have caught up to the form factor needed for the living room all that needs to be done now is to put the pieces together.I've always thought that WMC was great, but most folks don't want that much power. It's too complicated for regular folks. Apple could take the basics of WMC and distill it down to the 3 or 4 features that most people really want, but the problem is that Apple seems to be at odds with the cable company's current model.

In closing I hope someone from Apple reads this because this is what us the consumers want hell maybe Apple should just get into the HDTV manufacturing business with all these functions built right in they build a beautiful 27" iMac not much of a stretch to go to 50". In my world I could have been writing this on my TV while my ATV is recording the show I missed while writing this. Please weigh in on this, the more of a response this gets maybe just maybe we'll start to see this become reality. Again I do not pretend to know all on how this works but I am a buying consumer looking for that next device to bring it all together and I believe Apple is right there they just need a little push by the buying public. Thanks for taking the time to read this.I don't think this will ever happen. There's too many players in the TV set market. The OEMs are desperately trying to prevent HDTVs from becoming a commodity market, and they're not doing that great a job at it. In my opinion, Apple should have no interest in getting into the TV set market. Too many sizes, price points, and transmission standards to worry about. The last thing that Apple wants is 3000 SKU numbers just for TVs.

In regards to the Tivo deal this puts Apple in a spot, they then would become direct competition to the cable companies that Apple gets it's TV programming for itunes. Apple doesn't like to be in direct competition unless it can win. At this point and time people are looking for ways to cut the cable but still haven't not completely. So in the short term this is a situation when it is best to work with them and save the big battle for another day.Actually, Tivo doesn't compete with cable companies. Tivo needs cable TV to prosper in order to make money. I don't think Apple would have any interest in buying Tivo for their business. They may want them for the name and their intellectual property, but I don't think that Tivo's business model makes sense for Apple. Besides, Apple is an international company and Tivo is limited to the US.

ft

spice weasel
Jan 22, 2011, 11:15 AM
There are some good ideas in the OP's post. Not that I think there is a chance of most of them being implemented, for various reasons.

I'd be thrilled if Apple would just finally implement podcast syncing across computers/devices. I can't see any reason why this can't or shouldn't be done.

fkntotalkaos
Jan 22, 2011, 11:18 AM
IF APPLE WANTS TO RULE MY DIGITAL WORLD


If Apple wants to rule my digital world they have to rule the largest screen in my world, my TV. Apples latest version of the Apple TV is a step in the right direction but if I was designing the Apple TV this is what I would do.

Where Apple is failing with the ATV at this point is that it is not an " always on " device, meaning if my wife takes a picture on her iPhone or sees a funny video on YouTube and wants to share that with me either I have to look at the screen of the phone or the iPad, if we want to see it on the big screen I first have to change the input of my TV then turn on the ATV and then use Airplay to stream it over not convenient.

First the design of the ATV, I think anyone who has ever owned an ATV has always wished for a TV tuner in it. Well my design would have a TV tuner and DVR functionality it would come in either 64 or 128 gig flash memory versions.

Now imagine this I am watching TV on my ATV and my wife has just taken a picture or video with her iPhone or has found the best video ever on YouTube and she has got to show it to me right this very second but I am in the dying minutes of the game but I don't want to be in the doghouse. As she walks into the room she turns on AirPlay on whatever iOS device she has and my game disappears from the screen and a picture or video replaces it in seconds, am I loosing my mind because I am missing the game? No because as soon as AirPlay was turned on my good old ATV started recording whatever I was watching to it's flash memory so I don't miss the game and I am not in the doghouse for being insensitive and not wanting to see what she had to show me. Apple could be saving marriages and relationships all over.

With that DVR functionality I can record TV shows and either transfer them to my iPhone or iPad to take along with me or I can access the ATV remotely and watch live TV or watch something that has been recorded or even schedule a TV recording, an " always on " device.

My redesigned ATV would have the ability to run apps. Again imagine I am watching TV and in the background I have Facebook running and one of my buddies posts a new status and guess what, right there in my top right hand corner of my screen his status shows up for a few seconds then fades away. Let's say that same buddy posts a YouTube video, well because my ATV has Safari onboard I am able to navigate to the video and watch it and oh yeah I am not missing a minute of my show because the DVR has kicked in and is recording the last thing I was watching. There are all kinds of apps that could run in the background weather, Twitter, game stats you are only limited by your imagination.

What is another part of my digital world that Apple has been trying to rule? Gaming. Just think about it I have a great new game but I want to play it on the big screen, Airplay and you are playing on the big screen. What you don't want to use up space on your ATV for games or the game is too large or needs more computing power not a problem use your Mac as the game console and the ATV as just the display device and your iPhone as the controller. Even with my Mac being the game console the ATV is ruling my digital world because it gives me the ability to use my TV as my screen for gaming.

I do not pretend to know all the legal stuff when it comes to TV recording and if there is a fee a DVR manufacturer has to pay to cable companies but I bet cable companies would waive that fee if they could have real time data on what is being watched, by who and where. If you feel this is an invasion of your privacy well cable companies do it now without your knowledge at least this way it would with your consent. In the past it has not been in real time that these stats would be available they would conduct a phone survey to find this out and crunch a few numbers to come up with a pretty good guess. This data could be a way for Apple to either get around fees for the DVR if there are fees or if there are not fees whats to say Apple makes money by placing it's own ads in the commercial spots. All of this would work and create another revenue stream.

In my latest readings it sounds like Microsoft is moving away from it's Media Center functionality in the next version of Windows. I hear many complains about HTPC's saying they are complicated. I believe Media Center was before it's time and form factor is it's downfall. Microsoft wanted you to put a computer tower in your living room or entertainment stand, if you were not some kind of computer geek this was a little intimidating . Apple has that done already, they have found the form factor that has been accepted, computing power and OS have caught up to the form factor needed for the living room all that needs to be done now is to put the pieces together.

In closing I hope someone from Apple reads this because this is what us the consumers want hell maybe Apple should just get into the HDTV manufacturing business with all these functions built right in they build a beautiful 27" iMac not much of a stretch to go to 50". In my world I could have been writing this on my TV while my ATV is recording the show I missed while writing this. Please weigh in on this, the more of a response this gets maybe just maybe we'll start to see this become reality. Again I do not pretend to know all on how this works but I am a buying consumer looking for that next device to bring it all together and I believe Apple is right there they just need a little push by the buying public. Thanks for taking the time to read this.


Phil
great post, make a petition with online signatures and submit it

OllyW
Jan 22, 2011, 11:19 AM
Besides, Apple is an international company and Tivo is limited to the US.

Not for much longer. :)

http://tivo.virginmedia.com/

alFR
Jan 22, 2011, 02:32 PM
Many interesting points, good post. One thing I would take issue with though:

if we want to see it on the big screen I first have to change the input of my TV then turn on the ATV and then use Airplay to stream it over not convenient.

I don't know about you but that's only a total of 4 button presses for me, so unless I badly sprain both thumbs I don't see that as a big issue. ;)

xraydoc
Jan 23, 2011, 02:44 PM
A tuner in the Apple TV, for me, would be useless since my cable company, Comcast, uses a digital system that requires an external box or a Multistream CableCard to receive anything. And unless Apple built an Apple TV with a CableCard slot, the tuner would remain unused.

thetruth1985
Jan 23, 2011, 03:01 PM
You do bring up some good points but at the same time, you seem like the type that will never be happy with current tech. You are complaining that airplay interrupts what you are watching but prior to airplay, your wife would have to either show you the video on your phone, or worse, change the game to boot up your htpc to show you the video on there. I'm sure airplay will evolve in the future but most of the problem lies with the content providers. There are still a bunch of shows not available on the apple tv because they don't like the .99 cent price point. Also, look what happened to google tv. They gave consumers what they wanted and one by one, most of the major content providers started to block their content one by one.

Uofmtiger
Jan 23, 2011, 03:27 PM
I would like to see it run apps..Pandora, Rhapsody, Slingbox, etc... I would like it to work with Plex, Tversity, etc..(without a jailbreak) These seem like something that would be easy to implement. Airplay will be better when it works with all apps, but I would also like to see a solution that does not need an iOS portable device to run apps.

I had WMC with OTA tuners (HDTV and standard) and never used them like I thought I would. I have Directv, so the Cablecard is not something I want. I would rather see it do something like EyeTV HD, which records in HD via component input (or better yet, HDMI) but that would drive up the cost.

I would also recommend that the OP invest in a universal remote that can run macros. I hit one button and it turns on my receiver and switches inputs.

The main reason I have an ATV2 is because it was less than $100, it sends a simultaneus audio output via HDMI and optical, it works with iTunes, airplay, and the future potential for apps. I also like the streaming from the web features, but with the price, I would have bought it anyway. If it added cost for cable card, tuners, and other features I would never use, I would have lived without it... Although they could have different versions at different prices, but the $100 price tag would be hard to compete with.

stuartmeyers
Jan 23, 2011, 04:23 PM
Personally, I want voice recognition on my TV because wherever I am my controller is not.

For example, if I am at the computer and the controller is on the lounge, I want to say "TV: Change Input HDMI3" so it switches the TV to ATV2 and I can play video or music from iTunes to the TV.

Or, since I have an Airport Express as well so that I can watch the cricket and the wife listens to music instead of the commentary, to turn it back to TV sound on my HIFI when something exciting happens and I want to hear, I want to say "HIFI: Change Input Digital In" and after that "HIFI: Change Input Auxiliary" to return to the AE.

Voice recognition for common basic commands would be useful on all the devices. eg Volume Up, Volume Down, Channel Up, Channel 10, Menu, TV Guide, Fast Forward, Pause, TV Off, Mute, etc.

Maybe Logitech can add voice recognition to their Harmony range.

From A Buick 8
Jan 23, 2011, 05:49 PM
A tuner in the Apple TV, for me, would be useless since my cable company, Comcast, uses a digital system that requires an external box or a Multistream CableCard to receive anything. And unless Apple built an Apple TV with a CableCard slot, the tuner would remain unused.

Good post, I cut cable back in October ( and I will never go back), one of the big reasons is they are forcing us to use one of their box's.

hitekalex
Jan 23, 2011, 08:55 PM
First the design of the ATV, I think anyone who has ever owned an ATV has always wished for a TV tuner in it. Well my design would have a TV tuner and DVR functionality it would come in either 64 or 128 gig flash memory versions.

Tuner support will eventually come to ATV, but not in the way you think. It will be via an app from from a third-party (most likely Elgato) giving ATV access to networked tuners, like HD HomeRun.

"EyeTV for Apple TV" will offer full support for usual DVR functions - watch/pause/rewind live TV, and possibly support recordings to separate computers. But there will never be a built-in tuner inside of ATV, or large amount of local storage.. And frankly, there is no need for it, as software/networked tuner approach is a lot more flexibe, can work with a variety of tuners in different regions, and doesn't require changes to ATV hardware.

Of course, in order for this to happen - Apple needs to open up ATV to third party apps.. But it will happen, check back in about 12 months.

neko girl
Jan 23, 2011, 09:03 PM
Having seen my dad go through this, I think I'd change a couple things:
-Make it easier for him to put in his Netflix password
-Add closed captioning on Netflix movies and TV shows (at least closed captioning that's available on Netflix streaming/DVDs)

Apart from that I think I'd get an Apple TV if it had support for Hulu.

Being able to add XBMC to it seems like a good thing, at least as long as Apple allows it.

powerman
Jan 23, 2011, 09:03 PM
My biggest problem with your idea is that there is not much on tv to watch. Many channels but not much I watch. Mostly reruns. Why would i want to pay more for capability that i will never use. I do not have cable and have watched one tv series on my atv, and it cost about one month of cable, and I have been watching it for 2 months with about the same amount to go. I would use it for some gaming, and internet video. Live sports would be great.
I like to see my photos and would like an easy way to watch home videos. I think combining the apple tv and airport extreme/time machine would be a better idea than adding a tv tuner.

mstrze
Jan 23, 2011, 09:23 PM
Personally, I want voice recognition on my TV because wherever I am my controller is not.

For example, if I am at the computer and the controller is on the lounge, I want to say "TV: Change Input HDMI3" so it switches the TV to ATV2 and I can play video or music from iTunes to the TV.

Or, since I have an Airport Express as well so that I can watch the cricket and the wife listens to music instead of the commentary, to turn it back to TV sound on my HIFI when something exciting happens and I want to hear, I want to say "HIFI: Change Input Digital In" and after that "HIFI: Change Input Auxiliary" to return to the AE.

Voice recognition for common basic commands would be useful on all the devices. eg Volume Up, Volume Down, Channel Up, Channel 10, Menu, TV Guide, Fast Forward, Pause, TV Off, Mute, etc.

Maybe Logitech can add voice recognition to their Harmony range.

You are probably one of the few who actually want voice response over pushing buttons.

Nothing makes me (and most people I talk to) angrier is getting a voice response system when calling a company. Please, just let me use a keypad...I don't want to have to speak my problem out loud to a computer.

You REALLY would rather speak a command then push a button?

stuartmeyers
Jan 23, 2011, 10:14 PM
You REALLY would rather speak a command then push a button?
Yes, absolutely. It is inevitable? With a limited number of commands and improving technology it will happen. I agree that some voice systems are rubbish but like the tablet, sooner or later someone will get it right.

In regards to ATV having a TV tuner, for me the ATV2 is a peripheral and I would prefer my Panasonic HDD recorder and Hifi to have Airplay.

newagemac
Jan 23, 2011, 10:20 PM
I just want an Apple TV with a composite input :(

I have multiple TVs in the house, and besides the 50" 3DTV, one of them is an older 54" projection SDTV that works much better for gaming. Would love to be able to stream video to it, because 480i/p content and DVD-rips actually look lot better on it than on the newer TV (on which it looks pixellated), and the TV can't be used for anything other than gaming in its current state (I cancelled cable and stream everything).

A PS3 would work to stream to it, but that's $299 to stream to an older TV...

Hey, I think I found a solution to this problem. I'll post my experiences once I test it out Tuesday or Wednesday.

mstrze
Jan 25, 2011, 11:18 AM
Yes, absolutely. It is inevitable? With a limited number of commands and improving technology it will happen. I agree that some voice systems are rubbish but like the tablet, sooner or later someone will get it right.

I just can't imagine talking myself horse just flipping through the channels to find something to watch. "up channel...up channel...up channel..."...especially in situations where you want to be quiet...like when someone else is sleeping and you have the volume down. Or when there is a lot of ambient noise..like when many people are in the room.

All-encompassing commands like "watch a disc"...perhaps or "switch to HDMI1" might be tolerable and functional, but volume control and channel changing is used far too frequently to make a voice command the ideal method of control.

Sure, some voice recognition will be used someday...and probably body-movement recognition, but I can't imagine you will be able to completely do away with pressing some sort of handheld device to get your entertainment system to perform for you.

Even in your post, you are asking Logitech to build voice recognition into its remotes. You REALLY would rather say "volume up" 3 times into the remote instead of simply holding down the volume button for a few seconds???

rayward
Jan 25, 2011, 02:13 PM
I just can't imagine talking myself horse just flipping through the channels to find something to watch. "up channel...up channel...up channel..."...especially in situations where you want to be quiet...like when someone else is sleeping and you have the volume down. Or when there is a lot of ambient noise..like when many people are in the room.

All-encompassing commands like "watch a disc"...perhaps or "switch to HDMI1" might be tolerable and functional, but volume control and channel changing is used far too frequently to make a voice command the ideal method of control.

Sure, some voice recognition will be used someday...and probably body-movement recognition, but I can't imagine you will be able to completely do away with pressing some sort of handheld device to get your entertainment system to perform for you.

Even in your post, you are asking Logitech to build voice recognition into its remotes. You REALLY would rather say "volume up" 3 times into the remote instead of simply holding down the volume button for a few seconds???


My BMW has both voice and manual controls for the entertainment, navigation and climate control systems. The infamous iDrive control is pretty clunky, but the physical controls for the climate control and entertainment system are fantastic. The voice command system does a great job of recognising commands and, more impressively, proper nouns taken from the nav system or my phone directory - no pre-recording required.

My annoyance with the voice command system is that it will cancel out the moment you touch a physical control. I'd like it to stay active, so that I can use the knobs or my voice as best suits the job in hand. For example, I can speak a street name and, if there are multiple options, a list will pop up on the screen. If I scroll to the street I want with the iDrive wheel, it cancels voice command and forces me to complete the entry by hand. I'd much prefer it to stay active for subsequent entries so that I can speak the street number, instead of having to scroll back and forth with the iDrive wheel to select the digits.

In summary, a system that combines voice and physical controls for a home theatre would be great. You would use the buttons for things like surfing, changing the volume, fast forward and rewind, but might choose to use voice commands to turn it on/off or switch inputs. Flexibility is the key.