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BigDukeSix
Jan 24, 2011, 10:26 AM
I am trying to figure out the easiest way to get rid of my cable, and have been doing plenty of research, but have not come up with the concise answers I am looking for. Yes, I have googled, and mroogled to see whats out there....

Okay here goes.

I am going to setup an antenna so I can get OTA local channels. My TV can handle that.

I am not going the ATV2 route, mainly due to some issues y'all have talked about, and not being able to get Hulu through it, as well as accessing shows directly from network websites. I figure I need to have a Mac Mini setup with my TV to do that and from what I have read, that is a good little computer for that use.

I have experiemented with using my MacBook hooked up to my TV so I can directly access Hulu, and network websites. However, it is hard to read and I hate to keep going back and forth with screen resolutions to see my browser vs watching a show. Is there a software interface that is easier to look at and that will work for accessing all my media without having to constantly switch back and forth between Firefox browser and having to type in the URL for the various sites I want to get content from, and also interface with ITunes? If so, please advise and let me know how you like it.

I am just running the audio out of my flatscreen tv speakers, and I do understand that the latest Mini with HDMI output has the audio also running through there, no need for a 2nd cable as with my Macbook.

What is available for recording OTA broadcasts for later watching (ala Tivo)?

I know I will need a keyboard/mouse to use with my Mini to navigate. Any ideas/experience with ones that work the best?

There is a ton of fragmented info out there, but it is always good to find out from folks who have already set theirs up to see what works, it saves time and money.

Thanks for the help.



Hellhammer
Jan 24, 2011, 10:29 AM
Use the zoom feature found in all browsers. That makes the browser's content bigger without changing the actual screen resolution.

j3yq
Jan 24, 2011, 10:33 AM
Im curious to see the answers turn out, Ive been begging the boss to do this for years. she cant get over not having live TV.

davids8477
Jan 24, 2011, 11:37 AM
I am trying to figure out the easiest way to get rid of my cable, and have been doing plenty of research, but have not come up with the concise answers I am looking for. Yes, I have googled, and mroogled to see whats out there....

Okay here goes.

I am going to setup an antenna so I can get OTA local channels. My TV can handle that.

I am not going the ATV2 route, mainly due to some issues y'all have talked about, and not being able to get Hulu through it, as well as accessing shows directly from network websites. I figure I need to have a Mac Mini setup with my TV to do that and from what I have read, that is a good little computer for that use.

I have experiemented with using my MacBook hooked up to my TV so I can directly access Hulu, and network websites. However, it is hard to read and I hate to keep going back and forth with screen resolutions to see my browser vs watching a show. Is there a software interface that is easier to look at and that will work for accessing all my media without having to constantly switch back and forth between Firefox browser and having to type in the URL for the various sites I want to get content from, and also interface with ITunes? If so, please advise and let me know how you like it.

I am just running the audio out of my flatscreen tv speakers, and I do understand that the latest Mini with HDMI output has the audio also running through there, no need for a 2nd cable as with my Macbook.

What is available for recording OTA broadcasts for later watching (ala Tivo)?

I know I will need a keyboard/mouse to use with my Mini to navigate. Any ideas/experience with ones that work the best?

There is a ton of fragmented info out there, but it is always good to find out from folks who have already set theirs up to see what works, it saves time and money.

Thanks for the help.

I cut the cable a year ago - no regrets.

Here's my system.

Main viewing area:

LCD TV with surround system.

Mac MINI (the DVI version) so have DVI to HMDI to TV and Optical to receiver. EYETV to record - can only watch/record one channel unless you add another EYETV.
Stream music, photos and movies from a Mac Mini connected to 6TB Raid 5 system - using Ethernet not WIFI due to bandwidth issues with Hi-def movies. PLEX for streamed movies.
use Iphone Plex App to control movies and Iphone Remote App to control Mac Mini - no keyboard or mouse needed.

For completeness I also have a TIVO HD with lifetime service.

So I can record 2 different channels and watch a 3rd if needed.

With the EYETV recording I can convert to play on Iphone etc as needed.

The Mac MINI server also sends media to an ATV2 on the patio and a 3rd (!) Mini/TV in the bedroom.

Works great - the only monthly bill is for the Internet Service (Uverse) and the electricity to run it all - not much as the Mini's are very frugal.

Works great!

sigamy
Jan 24, 2011, 11:47 AM
I just created another thread on this...you say you have an eyetv to record--record what? What are you feeding into the eyetv? OTA HD? Or are you getting content online somehow?

BigDukeSix
Jan 24, 2011, 11:51 AM
So, an older Mini seems to be adquate to run home theatre? If I could pick up an Intel based pre-2010 models used, that would be sweet.

And, does PLEX provide an all in one interface for Hulu, Netflix, ITunes, and other website video content?

Phillie14586
Jan 24, 2011, 12:07 PM
I'll bite but it would be helpful if you gave some indication of what you have researched.

Tuners: Look at Elgato and Siliconedust. there are others but they seem to be the most prevalent on the Mac side.

DVR software: Elgato seems to have the commercial Mac market. there is also SageTV and MythTV. Sage seems to be stopping Mac support and the UI leaves alot to be desired. Myth-if you are a programmer/tinkerer.

HTPC software: Plex, XBMC, Boxee, MythTV. Boxee does not have Hulu support. Plex supports Hulu if you use the previous version of Flash but Hulu is able to detect Plex now so that even gets sketchy. The best I have found lately is Hulu Desktop to stream to the TV.

You can decide how automated you want things to be. The only thing that puts DVR and HTPC under one roof is Myth but you better know more than how to just click on the install icon, Myth doesn't have one. With some applescripts you can take files from EyeTV an make them Plex compliant or just watch them in EyeTV. So there is nothing out of the box to do all you want it just depends on what all you want to do. Some look for the alphabet soup of file format compatibility others don't need it.

If you are looking for a specific suggestion I am using a duel tuner HDHomerun with EyeTV , Plex and hulu desktop. This is a new setup so things may change in th future but seems to work OK.

Panch0
Jan 24, 2011, 12:12 PM
So, an older Mini seems to be adquate to run home theatre? If I could pick up an Intel based pre-2010 models used, that would be sweet.

And, does PLEX provide an all in one interface for Hulu, Netflix, ITunes, and other website video content?

For HTPC use, I think the HDMI out on the newer Mac Mini is worth the extra cost vs the previous gen.

I turned off Cable about 2 weeks ago after watching almost nothing but NetFlix via ATV2 for a month or so.

I'm considering adding a Roku XDS ($99) for HuluPlus, but I just connected an over the air antenna over the weekend. I'm going to get an EyeTV and connect it to my iMac for DVR function and convert those recordings to iTunes for access through the ATV. If I can figure out how to strip the commercials out of the EyeTV recordings, I don't think I'll need Hulu.

BigDukeSix
Jan 24, 2011, 12:19 PM
For HTPC use, I think the HDMI out on the newer Mac Mini is worth the extra cost vs the previous gen.

I turned off Cable about 2 weeks ago after watching almost nothing but NetFlix via ATV2 for a month or so.

I'm considering adding a Roku XDS ($99) for HuluPlus, but I just connected an over the air antenna over the weekend. I'm going to get an EyeTV and connect it to my iMac for DVR function and convert those recordings to iTunes for access through the ATV. If I can figure out how to strip the commercials out of the EyeTV recordings, I don't think I'll need Hulu.

I have been looking at the Elgato EyeTV Hybrid and if it works as people say, that would be a good setup. I would only need to record some OTA shows, as the rest I could watch on demand via Hulu or the network websites as needed. I will be anxious to hear how you like it when you get it hooked up.
Also, how hard was it to find the proper antenna and set it up? Is it inside or outside? I have checked out this website for antenna info: http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx and it indicates a small or medium multidirectional antenna would be adequate.

davids8477
Jan 24, 2011, 12:24 PM
i just created another thread on this...you say you have an eyetv to record--record what? What are you feeding into the eyetv? Ota hd? Or are you getting content online somehow?


ota hd

davids8477
Jan 24, 2011, 12:29 PM
So, an older Mini seems to be adquate to run home theatre? If I could pick up an Intel based pre-2010 models used, that would be sweet.

And, does PLEX provide an all in one interface for Hulu, Netflix, ITunes, and other website video content?


yes the MINI works great - its a 2.26 with 2 gig Ram.

Plex does provide an all in one interface.

Its free too!

Take a look at www.plexapp.com

BigDukeSix
Jan 24, 2011, 12:33 PM
For those that have added an outdoor OTA antenna, did you just connect the coax cable from that into your junction box where your external cable/satellite input was hooked up to the cable wiring for the house?

aristobrat
Jan 24, 2011, 12:39 PM
I have been looking at the Elgato EyeTV Hybrid and if it works as people say, that would be a good setup. I would only need to record some OTA shows, as the rest I could watch on demand via Hulu or the network websites as needed. I will be anxious to hear how you like it when you get it hooked up.
Also, how hard was it to find the proper antenna and set it up? Is it inside or outside? I have checked out this website for antenna info: http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx and it indicates a small or medium multidirectional antenna would be adequate.
I started w/ the EyeTV Hybrid and ended up getting the SiliconDust HDHomeRun product.

The reason I went with the HDHomeRun is that (a) it has two tuners and (b) it connects to your network, so you don't have to physically have the OTA antenna plugged into a USB dongle hanging out of the back of your Mac. I use the EyeTV software -- it knows how to communicate with the HDHomeRun over the network. If you're only looking to occasionally record stuff (i.e. one tuner is enough), and running the antenna directly to your Mac isn't a big deal, it may be overkill price-wise though.

Antennaweb indicated that an indoor antenna would do well where I live, but that wasn't my experience. I ended up putting a small one on the roof and get perfect OTA reception on all of my local channels.

All in all, I liked the solution, but it turned out to be too geeky for my housemates. So I use it for myself, but in the living room, we have a TiVo w/ lifetime service. Records OTA HD with the same quality as the EyeTV, it's just that the remote and UI are easier for them to use.

Panch0
Jan 24, 2011, 01:22 PM
Also, how hard was it to find the proper antenna and set it up? Is it inside or outside? I have checked out this website for antenna info: http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx and it indicates a small or medium multidirectional antenna would be adequate.

I checked the same site, but it turns out that when my townhouse was built, they installed an antenna in the attic (this was in the early 70s). It's a fairly small antenna of the type that I used to see on rooftops. probably considered small or medium. I just ran a coax cable directly from the antenna to the TV and got all of the local channels. After running a more permanent (and longer) cable through the walls, I lost the local NBC channel and maybe lost a little signal on the other channels. I have a Distribution Amplifier (ChannelMaster CM-3414) on order, and am hoping that this restores NBC for me.

For the EyeTV, I went with the EyeTv One. This seemed to be the one to get for Over the Air - I think the Hybrid is for use with a cable box.

I might consider the HD HomeRun in the future, as I might like to do multiple recordings, but for now, I'm in proof of concept mode.

belvdr
Jan 24, 2011, 01:29 PM
After running a more permanent (and longer) cable through the walls, I lost the local NBC channel and maybe lost a little signal on the other channels. I have a Distribution Amplifier (ChannelMaster CM-3414) on order, and am hoping that this restores NBC for me.

Did you use RG-6?

Airforcekid
Jan 24, 2011, 02:15 PM
I cut mine with the Boxee box you can test out the software first on your mac similar to plex and xbmc.

Panch0
Jan 24, 2011, 02:58 PM
Did you use RG-6?

My first run was part existing RG-59 and part new RG-6. With that, I lost all but Fox. Then I replaced it with a single run of RG-6 and got most of the channels back. My first test connection direct from the antenna to the TV was 50'; my through the walls run is at least 100'.

Tilpots
Jan 24, 2011, 03:59 PM
For the EyeTV, I went with the EyeTv One. This seemed to be the one to get for Over the Air - I think the Hybrid is for use with a cable box.


The EyeTV One is ONLY for ATSC. The Hybrid is for ATSC, NTSC ( not that it matters anymore) and QAM. The EyeTV HD is for cable/sat boxes.

BigDukeSix
Jan 24, 2011, 10:46 PM
So, I downloaded PLEX so I could try it on my MacBook to get familiar with it. Seems like a fairly good program, however there are two glitches that are quite annoying. First is that PLEX apps for various sites like network tv sites (NBC,USA, etc)are not compatible with Flash 10.1, so you get audio with no video. And, if your movies are stored in ITunes, there is not a very easy way to get PLEX to see them. Anyone else having similar issues?

davids8477
Jan 25, 2011, 06:19 AM
So, I downloaded PLEX so I could try it on my MacBook to get familiar with it. Seems like a fairly good program, however there are two glitches that are quite annoying. First is that PLEX apps for various sites like network tv sites (NBC,USA, etc)are not compatible with Flash 10.1, so you get audio with no video. And, if your movies are stored in ITunes, there is not a very easy way to get PLEX to see them. Anyone else having similar issues?

I do not copy my movies into Itunes - i manage them from there for Airplay and syncing to my Iphone etc. - so I point PLEX to the folders where they are stored.

Not sure about the Flash thing - I keep all my software up to date - so I assume i have the latest Flash, so I do not see the problem.

One issue is that there is no EYETV plugin so switching between PLEX and EYETV was a PITA. I am trialing IKEY which allows me to sen commands to the MINI via keystrokes (like hide PLEX/show EYETV and vice versa) this works well so far and I send the command via my Iphone/IPAD using HIPPOREMOTE - a nice app which also has a PLEX and EYETV interface - as well as many others.

David

Tilpots
Jan 25, 2011, 07:47 AM
So, I downloaded PLEX so I could try it on my MacBook to get familiar with it. Seems like a fairly good program, however there are two glitches that are quite annoying. First is that PLEX apps for various sites like network tv sites (NBC,USA, etc)are not compatible with Flash 10.1, so you get audio with no video. And, if your movies are stored in ITunes, there is not a very easy way to get PLEX to see them. Anyone else having similar issues?

Yes, there is an issue with Plex and Flash 10.1 (http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php?/topic/14912-plex-and-flash-101/), but if you downgrade Flash, there will be no problems. Flash will also work just fine when browsing other sites after you downgrade.


One issue is that there is no EYETV plugin so switching between PLEX and EYETV was a PITA. I am trialing IKEY which allows me to sen commands to the MINI via keystrokes (like hide PLEX/show EYETV and vice versa) this works well so far and I send the command via my Iphone/IPAD using HIPPOREMOTE - a nice app which also has a PLEX and EYETV interface - as well as many others.


I use Hipporemote, too. It's great and I highly reccomend it, but even if you only have the Apple Remote, you can use Plex to launch any application and Plex will auto-close. Then when you quit that application, Plex will auto-relaunch. It's extremely handy and really, you won't be using Plex and EyeTV at the same time anyway, so this option takes all of about 10-20 seconds.

davids8477
Jan 25, 2011, 10:24 AM
Yes, there is an issue with Plex and Flash 10.1 (http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php?/topic/14912-plex-and-flash-101/), but if you downgrade Flash, there will be no problems. Flash will also work just fine when browsing other sites after you downgrade.



I use Hipporemote, too. It's great and I highly reccomend it, but even if you only have the Apple Remote, you can use Plex to launch any application and Plex will auto-close. Then when you quit that application, Plex will auto-relaunch. It's extremely handy and really, you won't be using Plex and EyeTV at the same time anyway, so this option takes all of about 10-20 seconds.

The only problem with using the PLEX application route - that I have found - is that you have to close EYETV in order to switch back. I want to leave EYETV open, but the viewing window closed so that scheduled recording still take place.

Unless I've missed something I don't know another way to achieve that.

David

Tilpots
Jan 25, 2011, 10:31 AM
The only problem with using the PLEX application route - that I have found - is that you have to close EYETV in order to switch back. I want to leave EYETV open, but the viewing window closed so that scheduled recording still take place.

Unless I've missed something I don't know another way to achieve that.

David

If you're just trying to record something on EyeTV while watching something on Plex, just close the EyeTV Player window. That will knock out your video and audio while still allowing you to record a show. Yeah, you might have to manually relaunch Plex, but it's not difficult or time consuming. You'll already have the mouse handy when you close the Player window.

walterwhite
Jan 25, 2011, 10:38 AM
On Keyboard ideas.... I have tried three... one is a wireless bluetooth keyboard and mouse (although a mac trackpad works better for leaving it on the couch) Jaadu iTeleport ($9.99) for my iPhone or iPAd to run it all, and you can use it on all your computers... like remote desktop for your iOS device. Also you can use a free App called remote mouse... works well also.

Jaadu for the iPad is about the best... the keyboard and trackpad combo is nice because you just leave it there and it works... no apps to search thru.

davids8477
Jan 25, 2011, 10:49 AM
If you're just trying to record something on EyeTV while watching something on Plex, just close the EyeTV Player window. That will knock out your video and audio while still allowing you to record a show. Yeah, you might have to manually relaunch Plex, but it's not difficult or time consuming. You'll already have the mouse handy when you close the Player window.
Thanks.

I find what I do now very easy. Here's the command sent to IKEY and the result.

When I am in PLEX - watching a movie, listening to music etc.

SEND from Ipad
cmd E

This pauses the movie etc in PLEX and opens EYETV view window at full screen.

Change back to PLEX

cmd P

Switches active window to EyeTV (in case it wasn't the top screen)
Closed EyeTV viewing window
Switches to PLEX
Un-pauses the movie etc.

The whole process takes about 1 second and even my girl friend can do it - and thats a BIG plus :)

slipper
Jan 25, 2011, 03:42 PM
I don't know too much of the technical stuff but this is what i know from my experience and i hope it helps.

Any Mac Mini 1.86ghz CoreDuo and better will be able to stream 720p video. Theres really no advantages to having the 2010 HDMI model compared to the others. I personally had a 2.26ghz Core2Duo and am currently using a 2010 HDMI 2.4ghz Core2Duo.

I prefer XBMC over Plex. I didnt like the fact i needed to run an older version of Flash with Plex. And i prefer the interface of XBMC over Plex. With Plex you need to go to the Media Manager (not the actual Plex program) to edit any titles or file information. On XBMC you can simply click "C" to get the contextual menu and do any editing that way.

XBMC by default uses thetvdb.com and themoviedb.com to scrap for TV and movie information. Plex by default uses imdb.com for both TV and movies if i remember correctly. I prefer imdb.com over the other two websites. At first i considered this a downside to XBMC and i didn't know i can download scrapper plug-ins for other websites. But now that everything is synced with thetvdb and themoviedb i'll be leaving it that way.

I currently have a LG LE5400 LED/LCD TV rated at 1080p. However i set the Mac Mini to 720p for larger text. I found this to be the easiest way and it really doesnt bother me. At first i tried 1080p, made all the desktop icons large, but i was still having a difficult time seeing text. I also tried Kylo since it has its "10ft interface" but i can stand that browser. Also tried enlarging text on Firefox but it distorts websites which i didn't like. Fed up i set it to 720p which has worked perfectly for me.

BigDukeSix
Jan 25, 2011, 03:53 PM
I don't know too much of the technical stuff but this is what i know from my experience and i hope it helps.

Any Mac Mini 1.86ghz CoreDuo and better will be able to stream 720p video. Theres really no advantages to having the 2010 HDMI model compared to the others. I personally had a 2.26ghz Core2Duo and am currently using a 2010 HDMI 2.4ghz Core2Duo.

I prefer XBMC over Plex. I didnt like the fact i needed to run an older version of Flash with Plex. And i prefer the interface of XBMC over Plex. With Plex you need to go to the Media Manager (not the actual Plex program) to edit any titles or file information. On XBMC you can simply click "C" to get the contextual menu and do any editing that way.

XBMC by default uses thetvdb.com and themoviedb.com to scrap for TV and movie information. Plex by default uses imdb.com for both TV and movies if i remember correctly. I prefer imdb.com over the other two websites. At first i considered this a downside to XBMC and i didn't know i can download scrapper plug-ins for other websites. But now that everything is synced with thetvdb and themoviedb i'll be leaving it that way.

I currently have a LG LE5400 LED/LCD TV rated at 1080p. However i set the Mac Mini to 720p for larger text. I found this to be the easiest way and it really doesnt bother me. At first i tried 1080p, made all the desktop icons large, but i was still having a difficult time seeing text. I also tried Kylo since it has its "10ft interface" but i can stand that browser. Also tried enlarging text on Firefox but it distorts websites which i didn't like. Fed up i set it to 720p which has worked perfectly for me.

I'll take actual experience over tech knowledge most anytime. Cool info. so, with XBMC, can you also access online televison content, say NCIS off of the cbs.com website in a streamlined manner? And, I would assume XBMC handles Netflix, Hulu and such? Also, will it automatically find your movies and music if it is in ITunes?

Good to know an older Mini, as long as it is an Intel processor, will work just fine. Also, what do you use for an input device?

I intend to download XBMC tonight and try it on my MacBook, so I have it figured out before I get my Mini.
Thanks!!

BigDukeSix
Jan 26, 2011, 07:12 AM
I did download XBMC. I like it, but I cannot figure out how to add some add-ons that I want but are not listed, such as HULU, CNN, CBS, etc. And, I have looked hard for the answer but cannot find a clear and concise help guide for doing it. Any help would be much appreciated.

Panch0
Feb 2, 2011, 06:47 AM
For HTPC use, I think the HDMI out on the newer Mac Mini is worth the extra cost vs the previous gen.

I turned off Cable about 2 weeks ago after watching almost nothing but NetFlix via ATV2 for a month or so.

I'm considering adding a Roku XDS ($99) for HuluPlus, but I just connected an over the air antenna over the weekend. I'm going to get an EyeTV and connect it to my iMac for DVR function and convert those recordings to iTunes for access through the ATV. If I can figure out how to strip the commercials out of the EyeTV recordings, I don't think I'll need Hulu.

As a follow-up...

The EyeTV One that I ordered through Amazon got lost in shipping, so I cancelled the order and picked up an EyeTV Hybrid at the local Apple Store.

I added a "4 port Distribution Amplifier" to the Antenna run, and that was worth the money for me. Again, the one I ordered from Amazon was lost, so I picked up a RocketFish branded amp from BestBuy. Pretty sure it's a re-branded version of the channelMaster that I originally ordered. This let my TV pick up the local NBC stations that were missing before.

On EyeTV...

The Good:
The EyeTV actually picks up MORE channels than my TV can get directly! Not sure if there is a difference in the length of the cable runs, but both are RG-6 all the way.
The EyeTV software includes editing features that allow you to mark and remove commercials. Pretty easy to use, but placing the markers is a bit imprecise. I connected a Magic Trackpad and found the side to side scrolling is much easier to control than using a mouse - go figure...
The Software also includes an Export Feature with a preset for AppleTV! It picks up tagging info from the TVGuide info and adds it to the exported file, so the info available to iTunes is pretty complete.

The Bad:
So far I have only tried 1 OTA HD recording. A 1 hour show came out to 7.4GB. THe EyeTV software reported that the recording was one hour & 3 minutes, but I was only able to view the first minute & a half. Ack! I have a couple more recordings queued up over the next couple of days - hoping for better results...

The Neutral:
I found and installed a script that is supposed to automatically mark commercials in EyeTV Recordings. I think it was called ETVComSkip. For me, the results were a little spotty, but there were a lot of positive comments. It caught all but one commercial break on one recording, but on another it missed them all. I decided to uninstall the add-in thinking that maybe it had inserted an erroneous end tag in the HD show that didn't work.

Tilpots
Feb 2, 2011, 07:57 AM
The EyeTV One that I ordered through Amazon got lost in shipping, so I cancelled the order and picked up an EyeTV Hybrid at the local Apple Store.

I added a "4 port Distribution Amplifier" to the Antenna run, and that was worth the money for me. Again, the one I ordered from Amazon was lost, so I picked up a RocketFish branded amp from BestBuy.

Where do you live that the delivery service is so awful?!?

The Software also includes an Export Feature with a preset for AppleTV!

I don't think it's preset for ATV2 just yet. Can anybody else comment on this?


The Bad:
So far I have only tried 1 OTA HD recording. A 1 hour show came out to 7.4GB. THe EyeTV software reported that the recording was one hour & 3 minutes, but I was only able to view the first minute & a half. Ack! I have a couple more recordings queued up over the next couple of days - hoping for better results...


If EyeTV says the recording is 7.4GB, you have the full show. Not sure why you could only watch a minute and a half. Can you expand on this a bit more? That sounds like a very odd problem.

Panch0
Feb 2, 2011, 08:09 AM
Where do you live that the delivery service is so awful?!?

Virginia. It's just the one shipment that disappeared. I think it's fallen under a shelf somewhere - UPS never even scanned it as picked up.

I don't think it's preset for ATV2 just yet. Can anybody else comment on this?

May not be optimized, but I've watched a recording that I exported this way and it worked fine. Of course that was an SD recording, so the bar's not very high...

If EyeTV says the recording is 7.4GB, you have the full show. Not sure why you could only watch a minute and a half. Can you expand on this a bit more? That sounds like a very odd problem.

I still suspect the ComSkip script did something evil, but no way to prove it. I couldn't find any way to move past the 00:01:32 mark, so I just deleted the file - I'll repost when I have another recording to try out.

ZilogZ80
Feb 2, 2011, 08:28 AM
Any Mac Mini 1.86ghz CoreDuo and better will be able to stream 720p video. Theres really no advantages to having the 2010 HDMI model compared to the others. I personally had a 2.26ghz Core2Duo and am currently using a 2010 HDMI 2.4ghz Core2Duo.

The newer Minis can decode H264 in hardware which makes all the difference for 1080p content.


With Plex you need to go to the Media Manager (not the actual Plex program) to edit any titles or file information. On XBMC you can simply click "C" to get the contextual menu and do any editing that way.
Some people (myself included) think the (new) Plex Media Manager is a huge improvement over the old system (in-app like XBMC). To each his own though. :)

newagemac
Feb 2, 2011, 01:12 PM
The current ATV preset in the EyeTV software is limited to 540p and not optimized to get the better quality you are able to get with the ATV2. You are better off using their iPad preset.

Panch0
Feb 3, 2011, 06:28 AM
The current ATV preset in the EyeTV software is limited to 540p and not optimized to get the better quality you are able to get with the ATV2. You are better off using their iPad preset.

Thanks for the advice on the iPad preset. I did an export using the HD 720P preset last night, but haven't tried watching it yet. If the iPad preset comes in as a faster export and/or a smaller file, that may be better for me.

Panch0
Feb 3, 2011, 06:48 AM
I still suspect the ComSkip script did something evil, but no way to prove it. I couldn't find any way to move past the 00:01:32 mark, so I just deleted the file - I'll repost when I have another recording to try out.

So after removing the ETVComSkip add-in, I had another show set to record. I was able to edit & play this one all the way through. Not conclusive evidence against the Add-in, but that's still my prime suspect.

I'm new at the EyeTV Editing process, but It seemed like manually marking the commercials took me as long as just watching them would have. Hopefully I'll get faster with practice. The process isn't that hard, it's just taking me a while to identify the commercials (I guess the networks are doing their best to disguise them) and position the markers. I'm probably trying to be to precise with the marker positions.

On another note, I jumped ahead a bit and added an HDHomeRun dual tuner device to my network. I'm now able to view or record 3 shows at once ( including my original EyeTV Hybrid).

Seems like some channels skip a little while watching live on the computer. I haven't worked out if that is due to weak signal strength, the tuner in use, buffering (I was running 3 shows concurrently), RAM, HDD ( again with 3 shows running at once, I may have been taxing the disk I/O), or something I haven't even considered yet.

The EyeTV software doesn't have an explicit option that I could find to "Add Tuner", but I re-ran it's set up wizard and selected the HDHomeRun, and afterward the software recognized all 3 tuners (2 in the HDHomeRun and one in the previously configured Hybrid). I haven't checked the results of multiple schedules running at once, but it didn't display any conflict, so I'm taking a leap of faith that EyeTV is just going to allocate tuners on it's own.

I also added a Turbo.264 HD - but I suspect that I didn't really need it for my i7 iMac. I'll do some comparisons of exporting with and without the Turbo.264 over the weekend. Exporting a 1 hour TV Show (~45 minutes with commercials stripped out) using the HD 720P Preset took 35-40 minutes using the Turbo.264. I haven't watched the resulting program yet...

rjderama
Feb 7, 2011, 05:02 AM
Hi all,

I just saw this post and so I hope I'm not too late to the game. I too went with a Mac Mini to build a system around so that I could get rid of my cable service. I went through and experimented with Plex along with EyeTV and the Hulu Desktop App. While Plex did serve some purposes, I have since stopped using it and simply use VLC to play files. It's not a truly integrated solution, but it does work well for me.

Please check out my blog at www.tvonthecheap.com (http://www.tvonthecheap.com)

We started it because we, too, were tired of having to go to multiple places to get the answers we needed :)

Hope your system gets up and running smoothly!

RJ

BigDukeSix
Feb 7, 2011, 07:57 AM
Hi all,

I just saw this post and so I hope I'm not too late to the game. I too went with a Mac Mini to build a system around so that I could get rid of my cable service. I went through and experimented with Plex along with EyeTV and the Hulu Desktop App. While Plex did serve some purposes, I have since stopped using it and simply use VLC to play files. It's not a truly integrated solution, but it does work well for me.

Please check out my blog at www.tvonthecheap.com (http://www.tvonthecheap.com)

We started it because we, too, were tired of having to go to multiple places to get the answers we needed :)

Hope your system gets up and running smoothly!

RJ

Great site you set up. Thanks for sharing. You did what I want to do!!!!! I have it saved as a favorite now.

musique
Feb 7, 2011, 11:35 AM
FWIW, we cut our television cable 4 months ago. There are some things we miss, but the additional $67 per month is not one of them.

Two things that make it palatable are these. (a) We live in an area that gets mostly terrific reception (ABC, CBS, CW, Fox, NBC and a few others) with a $45 simple, powered antenna with a 6-foot-long cable sitting on top of a speaker. This feeds into a TiVo HD box with a lifetime subscription. (b) A refurb mid-2010 Mac Mini Server sits on the shelf above the TiVo. Both devices are connected to a 42" plasma set via HDMI. The Mac Mini is also connected to a 23" LCD via the DisplayPort.

So, the TiVo has season passes to all the shows we want to watch on network TV as well as Amazon On Demand (and maybe Netflix again) and the Mac Mini is used for Hulu and going to TNT, USA, and a few other web sites for television shows.

To one of the OP's initial questions: We have a couple of bluetooth Apple keyboards as well as an Apple mouse and trackpad, but none of them is the solution to comfortably control the Mac Mini. I've found the best solution is to use Apple Remote Desktop on my MBP

henry2
Feb 7, 2011, 11:57 AM
I use the Hulu and the tv networks sites to watch tv shows i like and because of the hours i work i do not really sit and watch tv intill my days off ..So wait and then when on the days off i get some snacks and pizza and soda and i go and download the shows i want to watch and then sit down and watch the 30 shows i keep track of that i like in my day off ..

Like the one person said here i found that cutting the cable box out of one life is really nice and second i love the fact that i useing the dvd places i like to shop at one line to get the show boxs sets that i would never found if i been watching regular cable tv programing ..

I found a TV show from down under called Sea Partol along with few other oveseas english language tv shows from other countrys that i started to get into and have bought there dvd boxs sets that i found Amazon UK for watching on a region free dvd player i have

BigDukeSix
Feb 7, 2011, 02:07 PM
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Please check out my blog at www.tvonthecheap.com (http://www.tvonthecheap.com)

We started it because we, too, were tired of having to go to multiple places to get the answers we needed :)



I wanted to log onto your site blog and leave a msg, but could not see how. Also, could you provide more details there on how you have everything connected together? Thx!

BigDukeSix
Sep 2, 2011, 10:49 AM
Well, it is now Sept and I still have cable with their company provided DVR.
After a lot of thought (all summer) I think I just want to downgrade to basic cable and get rid of the cable box with DVR.

However, I still would like to be able to record programs so I could watch them later, but I do not want to get Tivo due to the cost of a subscription.

So, what would I need in order to use one of my Mac's to do this? I have seen the Elgato Home Run recorder, but did not know if anyone has used it yet?

Any info for the outstanding collective knowledge base here would be appreciated.

Jefferyd32
Sep 2, 2011, 11:23 AM
I've been thinking of cutting the cord as well. I just picked up a 2010 mini for $350! One thing holds me back: sports. What solutions do people use to get their sports? College Football starts this weekend and I can't go without being able to see the games. I know espn3 shows quite a few and that could work over the mini, but I'd like the ability for record for later playback and that gets tricky. Also there a lot of game son root sports formerly fox sports that I'd like to watch and I don't know that there is any solution. Any thoughts.

mumaluke
Sep 2, 2011, 12:35 PM
I've been thinking of cutting the cord as well. I just picked up a 2010 mini for $350! One thing holds me back: sports. What solutions do people use to get their sports? College Football starts this weekend and I can't go without being able to see the games. I know espn3 shows quite a few and that could work over the mini, but I'd like the ability for record for later playback and that gets tricky. Also there a lot of game son root sports formerly fox sports that I'd like to watch and I don't know that there is any solution. Any thoughts.

ESPM3 has Replay tab, you can watch just about anything that was shown on ESPN3 live at a later time.

mumaluke
Sep 2, 2011, 12:48 PM
Well, it is now Sept and I still have cable with their company provided DVR.
After a lot of thought (all summer) I think I just want to downgrade to basic cable and get rid of the cable box with DVR.

However, I still would like to be able to record programs so I could watch them later, but I do not want to get Tivo due to the cost of a subscription.

So, what would I need in order to use one of my Mac's to do this? I have seen the Elgato Home Run recorder, but did not know if anyone has used it yet?

Any info for the outstanding collective knowledge base here would be appreciated.

What about getting an OTA DVR? Channel Master makes a pretty good one from what I hear. The cost is around $299 http://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-CM-7000PAL-Digital-Recorder/dp/B0033TJPJW but will pay for it self in a few months.

BigDukeSix
Sep 2, 2011, 01:43 PM
What about getting an OTA DVR? Channel Master makes a pretty good one from what I hear. The cost is around $299 http://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-CM-7000PAL-Digital-Recorder/dp/B0033TJPJW but will pay for it self in a few months.

Very interesting. I was not aware that something such as this was available. Thanks for the link.

Does anybody have any experience with this setup?