No Power4 for Apple [Archive]

neilt

Sep 6, 2002, 10:17 AM

Just saw a link on MacNN that had the following:

""I attended a briefing today on IBM's high performance computing technology, which is hinged on their Power4 CPU (this CPU has awesome performance in the various real-world benchmarks I have seen). After the briefing, I asked the presenter (a chief engineering manager from IBM) about the Power4 derivative for desktops and low end servers to be announced in October. You may recall that there has been speculation that this CPU would find its way into PowerMacs in the future. Well, it sounds like this CPU is not in Apple's future -- the "over 160" vector instructions are not AltiVec (even though AltiVec has 162 instructions), and there are technical issues that would prevent AltiVec from ever marrying with Power4 or its successors. Furthermore, the guy came right out and said that they have pitched the desktop Power4 to Apple, but Apple was not interested. So, although Power4-based PowerMacs seemed like a promising (and likely) possibility, it looks like it won't happen. I guess we will have to wait and see what Apple has in store for the future...."
"

MacBandit

Sep 6, 2002, 10:20 AM

I have been pessimistic about the IBM Power4 chip from the very start. This is very much what I have been thinking. I think however that Apple has something big up there sleeve and no one should be disappointed by Apple not using this chip.

Chaszmyr

Sep 6, 2002, 11:26 AM

IBM or not, we all know Apple ALWAYS has something big up their sleeve

Cappy

Sep 6, 2002, 12:42 PM

This reminds me of the rumor of the IBM rep a few years ago that stated at some meeting that Moto was using legal methods to keep IBM from developing or manufacturing a faster/better G4.

First of all anyone can post these stories on the internet and numerous people post them as fact.

Second of all I have a hard time believing that this rep would know much of anything about whether Apple was interested or not.

Third, who cares if altivec is not a part of it. Anyone who thought it would be is an overly optimistic blind Mac fanatic. :) IBM said long ago that they were working on their own unit rather than using altivec. If the cpu is fast enough, not having altivec is not a big issue. Sure some areas might take a hit but for many areas there would be a boost. Trade-offs for more sales. Also how much time do you think Apple put into altivec on their side? I'll bet they can incorporate IBM's version in less time than it took for altivec.

Now who wants to post my points to the internet so others will blindly believe them? ;)

barkmonster

Sep 6, 2002, 12:48 PM

Apple are going to be so far behind if they stick with motorola for much longer and don't get a chip like the IBM one soon.

The G4 is an ageing design, still doesn't have a DDR FSB, still can't get the Mhz up to complete with the Athlon (Pentium 4 doesn't count) and unless some miracle happens and motorola bring out an 8 way superscaler G5 with a DDR fsb, altivec and 64bit architecture. Apple are going to be a total laughing stock.

With the AMD hammer coming out in a matter of months, the pentium 4 pushing 3Ghz with a 533Mhz FSB, apple have got to pull something out of the hat next year or none of their Power (and it use the term loosely) Macs will be worth the cost of the components their made out of.

They're already on a "clutching at straws" lineup by going all dual, Do you think that dual 1.25Ghz model can compete with a 2Ghz Athlon ? I don't, not for a minute and that's just now, what about in 6 months time.

I think apple HAVE to have some new cpu from motorola under wraps, that new motherboard is practically wasted on a G4 and we need at least a 1.6 Ghz chip with twice the IPC of the current G4 design just for the next range to compete with PC cpus and be significantly faster than the current range of powermacs.

I'm sticking with apple whatever happens CPU wise but it would be nice if I could one day buy a £1,349 powermac that competes with a £1,000 PC.

ericb88

Sep 6, 2002, 03:33 PM

it would be nice to in 4 years say to my pc junkie friedn wow my 1 year old G5+ really smokes that new titanium of yours, and wait untill we get G6's next year...

ericb88

Sep 6, 2002, 03:35 PM

itanium, not titanium.

JamesDP

Sep 6, 2002, 04:07 PM

The fact that evidence we already have is being clouded by an anonymous post on a public mailing list is pretty sad. I think someone's having a little fun at Mac fanatics' expense.

jefhatfield

Sep 6, 2002, 05:36 PM

when apple almost went out of business, they had a bigger percentage of the market than they do now

when steve jobs brought apple back and things were going good, ten percent of certain types of machines were apple machines bringing our total market share to five percent

dot.com bombed and apple fell behind and now the market share is somewhere around 3.5 percent

...will it get any lower or are the 3.5 percent apple's core constituency that will be a given from year to year?

there are so many users in northern california, apple territory, that will never break from apple and if apple goes down, they would rather run linux than windows

some have suggested that apple can stagnate and just fulfill its fans and never grow but just improve its line from time to time to keep it's core users happy...but isn't that what apple has been doing for umpteen years anyway when bill g took the market into his own hands and laid the groundwork for IT/IS domination?

i just don't want to see motorola get stuck at any speed again for many months on end like it did at 500 mhz...but then again....after 2 ghz or so, who will care about cpu clock speed when other issues like price, video card, ram, bus, cache, and software selection will be the more important "selling points"?

jefhatfield

Sep 6, 2002, 05:41 PM

after many gigs or ram, nobody willl care about that item either

and who mentions hard drives anymore since even the cheapest machines have more space than most will use from day to day

and after lcds completely take over, why brag about anything bigger than a 19" lcd when that should suit the need of most average consumers

one day, price will be the most important issue for macs...some may argue that it is already the chief factor in why a person buys a pc

MacBandit

Sep 6, 2002, 09:36 PM

I'm kind of sick of everyone saying how far Apple will be behind if we stick to Motorola. How do you know this. A rumor. Or are you making conjecture based on recent history. What if the reason we've creeping along so slow with the G4 is because Motorola has been secretly been diverting resources to the development of a new chip. Apple can keep complete secrets why can't Motorola. The only time we catch wind of new products from Apple are soon before they are released. Apple doesn't just make these things in a few months that the rumors are around. Computers like the new dual/ddr have been in development for at least a year or more.

So everyone keep your chins up and trust in Apple to lead us into the future. Meanwhile I'm not waiting for the next thing because your just can't or you will be waiting forever. Meanwhile I'm enjoying my new Dual Ghz/DDR.

jefhatfield

Sep 6, 2002, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
I'm kind of sick of everyone saying how far Apple will be behind if we stick to Motorola. How do you know this. A rumor. Or are you making conjecture based on recent history. What if the reason we've creeping along so slow with the G4 is because Motorola has been secretly been diverting resources to the development of a new chip. Apple can keep complete secrets why can't Motorola. The only time we catch wind of new products from Apple are soon before they are released. Apple doesn't just make these things in a few months that the rumors are around. Computers like the new dual/ddr have been in development for at least a year or more.

So everyone keep your chins up and trust in Apple to lead us into the future. Meanwhile I'm not waiting for the next thing because your just can't or you will be waiting forever. Meanwhile I'm enjoying my new Dual Ghz/DDR.

that would be great if motorola came out with something far beyond most of our expectations

dual ghz/ddr sounds very cool:D certainly, it beats my ibm g3 chip in my ibook

MisterMe

Sep 6, 2002, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield
when apple almost went out of business, they had a bigger percentage of the market than they do now

when steve jobs brought apple back and things were going good, ten percent of certain types of machines were apple machines bringing our total market share to five percent

dot.com bombed and apple fell behind and now the market share is somewhere around 3.5 percent

...will it get any lower or are the 3.5 percent apple's core constituency that will be a given from year to year?

....

You confuse sales which determine market share with users who determine the size of the core constituency.

Interestingly, I notice lately that the more successful Apple becomes, the more I see articles from this firm or that spokesman relating Apple's decline in education, overall market share, stock price, or some such. Yet, I also notice that software vendors who had abandoned the Mac are rejoining the fold. Others who had never supported the Mac are porting their apps to MacOS X. Mac-only vendors seem to be doing better than ever.

If you saw the USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2002-09-05-cheap-pcs_x.htm) today (6 September 2002), then you may have read an article about HP, Gateway, and even Dell all resorting to incentives to move their inventory. Yet, Apple can't move its new machines fast enough.

Get a grip!

MacBandit

Sep 6, 2002, 11:12 PM

Cappy

Sep 7, 2002, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by MisterMe

You confuse sales which determine market share with users who determine the size of the core constituency.

Interestingly, I notice lately that the more successful Apple becomes, the more I see articles from this firm or that spokesman relating Apple's decline in education, overall market share, stock price, or some such. Yet, I also notice that software vendors who had abandoned the Mac are rejoining the fold. Others who had never supported the Mac are porting their apps to MacOS X. Mac-only vendors seem to be doing better than ever.

If you saw the USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2002-09-05-cheap-pcs_x.htm) today (6 September 2002), then you may have read an article about HP, Gateway, and even Dell all resorting to incentives to move their inventory. Yet, Apple can't move its new machines fast enough.

Get a grip!

Two things to point out here.

1. It's all relative. The whole marketshare thing is not much more than bragging rights now that the market has grown as far as it has and there are only three real competitors. Windows, Mac, and Linux. As long as there are enough sales of Macs out there to keep the developers happy that they can sell products, who really cares what the marketshare really is. Those are things that the media and Joe Shmoe Rumor Monger cares about. Apple only talks about it because it's paying lip service to the crowd. Apple cares about increased sales...marketshare is just a byproduct of it.

2. Apple is using rebates constantly as of late to try moving product. What Mac fanatic site have you been reading? Apple is in the same boat as far as incentives are concerned. And Dell is absolutely killing everyone else in the PC market which is one of the reasons why Gateway is trying to compete against Apple in their ads. They're trying to tackle the Mac market where Dell really isn't making much of an attempt to.

3. Lastly the whole statement about not selling systems fast enough is all relative as well. If Apple only makes 1000 systems a week but has demand for 1500 systems, this would match that statement. If Dell makes 4000 systems a week but has demand for 3500, this would match that statement. Sorry but you've got to be careful about what you read. Dell is in "real" good shape right now and HP isn't too bad either.

Apple has their work cut out for them. Frankly though I do have to say that it's flat out amazing how Apple has weathered the storm with them against the world. That just helps back things up even more that marketshare doesn't mean a whole lot any longer like it used to.

MisterMe

Sep 7, 2002, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Cappy

....

What Mac fanatic site have you been reading?
USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2002-09-05-cheap-pcs_x.htm)

....

Frankly though I do have to say that it's flat out amazing how Apple has weathered the storm with them against the world....
I guess you would.

Cappy

Sep 7, 2002, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by MisterMe

USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2002-09-05-cheap-pcs_x.htm)

Thanks for the link. Nothing but another doom and gloom article though on the PC market. At least the end puts things in perspective in what is stated by Dell. The market has stopped growing for the most part. No big secret there but Dell has the best handle on how to deal with it.

I still don't see where you get Apple can't make enough of their newer systems. The writer is merely stating that the iMac is the more popular of the systems from Apple and that the rest are languishing. It's all a play on words to get people hyped up to state that they can't make enough. My past reference earlier in this thread to this still holds true.

BongHits

Sep 7, 2002, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
IBM or not, we all know Apple ALWAYS has something big up their sleeve
ya like the big dual 1.25 with 167 fsb and pc2700 ddr :eek:
maybe this time next year we'll be close to dual 1.5 or maybe even a dual 1.75!! my point is at this rate my 933 will be adequate until 2006.

MacBandit

Sep 7, 2002, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by BongHits

ya like the big dual 1.25 with 167 fsb and pc2700 ddr :eek:
maybe this time next year we'll be close to dual 1.5 or maybe even a dual 1.75!! my point is at this rate my 933 will be adequate until 2006.

You think Apple has always gone along at this rate? All computer companies have hit stumbling blocks at some point. A large group of computer manufacturors are about to do just that if Intel's Itanium doesn't show progress. All I ask is that everyone enjoy what we have. The current batch of computers in my oppinion are not slow by any standard. All you have to do is use one for a few hours and you will understand what I mean.

snoopy

Sep 7, 2002, 11:58 PM

Most people seem to accept the report as fact. Yet it makes little sense. IBM pitched the chip to Apple and they said no because the SIMD is not Altivec? (I may have that a little off.) I doubt that IBM works in a vacuum like this. Develop a chip and then see who buys it? IBM would work with all large potential customers. They would want to sell it, so they make what customers want to buy. This processor would certainly have Altivec. That is what Apple needs. Others that have not developed code for any SIMD yet can use Altivec as well as any other. Also saying Altivec instructions cannot be implemented on a Power4 based chip does not make sense, on the surface. Having said that, it is still possible that the report is true. Just because it does not make sense, and seems strange does not stop it from being true.

MacsRgr8

Sep 8, 2002, 01:23 PM

Apple not interested in the Power4 ????
Do they have anything better up their sleeves?:confused:

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit

You think Apple has always gone along at this rate? All computer companies have hit stumbling blocks at some point. A large group of computer manufacturors are about to do just that if Intel's Itanium doesn't show progress. All I ask is that everyone enjoy what we have. The current batch of computers in my oppinion are not slow by any standard. All you have to do is use one for a few hours and you will understand what I mean.

when the pc industry went to 32 bit with the 386, there was a bit of a transition time, and when
itanium 2 takes hold with 64 bit, if it does, there will be a trasition time...but AMD is going with 64 bit which can work both the 64 and 32 bit side, too, and that may be the better way to go

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield

when the pc industry went to 32 bit with the 386, there was a bit of a transition time, and when
itanium 2 takes hold with 64 bit, if it does, there will be a trasition time...but AMD is going with 64 bit which can work both the 64 and 32 bit side, too, and that may be the better way to go

I gotta go with you, jef on this one. If Intel doesn't have something up its sleeve, the Clawhammer is going to, well, hammer the Itanuim into the ground. Compatibility is more important than speed in this case. :)

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

I gotta go with you, jef on this one. If Intel doesn't have something up its sleeve, the Clawhammer is going to, well, hammer the Itanuim into the ground. Compatibility is more important than speed in this case. :)

what is that link at the bottom of your signature...i didn't hear it, it sounds from the title it is not meant for my ears...yikes

i could very well be a 13 year old instead of the middle aged engineer everyone thinks i am, or i could be the washed out rocker who almost made it but didn't, or i could be spikey

but i suspect from some of the comments i have seen here in the last two years, there are some really young ones on these forums under age 13 judging from what my young nephews brag about concerning the internet

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield

what is that link at the bottom of your signature...i didn't hear it, it sounds from the title it is not meant for my ears...yikes

Just a bunch of Monty Python sounds that I thought spoke to me. :)

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

Just a bunch of Monty Python sounds that I thought spoke to me. :)

i sometimes find it funny, but so many of my friends are huge fans of monty python

i love british humor and british movies in general...i was lucky enough to be a university student in london during my undergrad days way, way back when maggie was PM

after, that i started understanding british humor a lot more...still, some of the newer stuff loses me since there are a lot of new slang terms out there

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield

i sometimes find it funny, but so many of my friends are huge fans of monty python

i love british humor and british movies in general...i was lucky enough to be a university student in london during my undergrad days way, way back when maggie was PM

after, that i started understanding british humor a lot more...still, some of the newer stuff loses me since there are a lot of new slang terms out there

I first got into it while playing a Monty Python PC game a few years back. It was the funniest, most bizarre and twisted thing I'd ever seen, (keep in mind that I was about 12, I've seen much more twisted things now and can think them at will!:D) I tried to find it again, but I never could.:( I talked my mom into buying a couple of the movies and a 12-tape collection and then I really got into it. I watch BBC from time to time, but usually only if that's on. That Ghram Norton guy's pretty funny though. :)

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

I first got into it while playing a Monty Python PC game a few years back. It was the funniest, most bizarre and twisted thing I'd ever seen, (keep in mind that I was about 12, I've seen much more twisted things now and can think them at will!:D) I tried to find it again, but I never could.:( I talked my mom into buying a couple of the movies and a 12-tape collection and then I really got into it. I watch BBC from time to time, but usually only if that's on. That Ghram Norton guy's pretty funny though. :)

youre kidding me...right?

monty python had a pc game?

i wonder what the system requirements were:D :p :)

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield

youre kidding me...right?

monty python had a pc game?

i wonder what the system requirements were:D :p :)

No joke here. I bought it as a birthday present for a friend of mine and liked it so much that I tried to find one for myself, but they were gone by then. There were at least two, if I'm not mistaken.

I think the system requirements were a naked fat lady (so you could bounce off her stomach) a set of lumberjack flannel, an exploding penguin and a dead parrot. :D

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

No joke here. I bought it as a birthday present for a friend of mine and liked it so much that I tried to find one for myself, but they were gone by then. There were at least two, if I'm not mistaken.

I think the system requirements were a naked fat lady (so you could bounce off her stomach) a set of lumberjack flannel, an exploding penguin and a dead parrot. :D

LOL

do you need a panasonic toughbook with waterproof keyboard in case you projectile vomit on it?

...and stay away from sharp objects like medieval long swords lest they cut off your limbs?

i wonder where dukestreet, krossfyter, and rower_cpu are?

i know at least two of them are big MP fans...they took over...i mean hijacked, a few threads in the past with monty python talk

get me on british movies, and i will go on forever

did you see "secrets and lies"? great movie

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield

i wonder where dukestreet, krossfyter, and rower_cpu are?

i know at least two of them are big MP fans...they took over...i mean hijacked, a few threads in the past with monty python talk

get me on british movies, and i will go on forever

did you see "secrets and lies"? great movie

I think duke and krossfyter logged off for the night. I just saw Rower a little while ago.
Haven't seen Secrets and Lies yet. The last great movie I saw was Y Tu Mama Tambien. I saw Road to Perdition and Minority report too, but Y Mama was raunchy, and I like raunchy.:D I'll look for it next time I go out though. :)

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

I think duke and krossfyter logged off for the night. I just saw Rower a little while ago.
Haven't seen Secrets and Lies yet. The last great movie I saw was Y Tu Mama Tambien. I saw Road to Perdition and Minority report too, but Y Mama was raunchy, and I like raunchy.:D I'll look for it next time I go out though. :)

i just told rower about this "hijacked" thread

anyway, i am near the silicon valley and i know people and have known people who work for ibm, and the power 4 thing is not even good enough to be a rumor, really...macworld online canned any talk about it

but back to monty python and brit movies, i guess it's ok that we get all the monty python fans and take over this forum for ten days...as in some sort of a hunger strike:p

Rower_CPU

Sep 8, 2002, 11:15 PM

I'm here...what have you covered so far?:D

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield

i just told rower about this "hijacked" thread

anyway, i am near the silicon valley and i know people and have known people who work for ibm, and the power 4 thing is not even good enough to be a rumor, really...macworld online canned any talk about it

but back to monty python and brit movies, i guess it's ok that we get all the monty python fans and take over this forum for ten days...as in some sort of a hunger strike:p

Hey I live near Silicon Valley, too, my dad works at Cisco.
Speaking of hijacking threads, did you read the Avatar poll? Half of it's in German.:D
Rower's still online, I'm sure he'll be here shortly. I'll see if I can try to find that game on the web. :)

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

[. I saw Road to Perdition

oh, i heard a lot about that one!

is it oscar time for tom hanks again?

that would make three for him...jack n has three oscars

he could have just as easily won it for apollo 13 and cast away as much as for philedelphia...all were great movies

forrest gump was definitely the greatest

but later i saw pulp fiction and i realized that movie was just as deserving of an oscar

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by jefhatfield

oh, i heard a lot about that one!

is it oscar time for tom hanks again?

that would make three for him...jack n has three oscars

he could have just as easily won it for apollo 13 and cast away as much as for philedelphia...all were great movies

forrest gump was definitely the greatest

but later i saw pulp fiction and i realized that movie was just as deserving of an oscar

Yep, looks like Oscar time for Tom I never knew he could be so cold!
Anywayz, found the games. There's three, but they're all for PC. :(

cick for the meaning of life (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=videogames&field-keywords=monty%20python&search-type=ss&bq=1/002-0107134-6530409)

Rower_CPU

Sep 8, 2002, 11:22 PM

Road to Perdition was great!

I heard about that MP game, but never tried it...let us know if you find the link. :)

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by edvniow

Hey I live near Silicon Valley, too, my dad works at Cisco.
Speaking of hijacking threads, did you read the Avatar poll? Half of it's in German.:D
Rower's still online, I'm sure he'll be here shortly. I'll see if I can try to find that game on the web. :)

cisco...yikes...i have to take a couple of more classes there before i get my ccna and hopefully ccnp down the line...later on

and soon, i want to get my master's in cs in networking...but more towards lan security and not so much the wan stuff as cisco specializes in

wan could be huge again if dot.com would only come back...cisco was growing at twelve times the rate as it has been since the crash of dot.com...they were on track to literally be larger than microsoft...imagine that

i think cisco is safe for the future, but i still would not put my money in individual cisco stock

but cisco is almost as solid as...monty python:D :D :D :D :D

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 11:24 PM

Okay, this thread is oficially hacked. :D

jefhatfield

Sep 8, 2002, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Road to Perdition was great!

I heard about that MP game, but never tried it...let us know if you find the link. :)

god, it would take me all night since the original topic was something related to something else

i thought you were in on the MP hijack of that thread

only personal insults regarding the beliefs on pot hijack threads more than monty python here

and i think people here, many of them, like radiohead...who i know nothing about

i must really be old or something

i do remember yellow submarine as a child...it was my favorite song and i liked the monkees and i thought the two were the same band

;)

Rower_CPU

Sep 8, 2002, 11:29 PM

Yup, Radiohead fan here, too.

That "are you a stoner" thread turned bad for a while, but I think it's back on track now...that guy was a troll. ;)

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Yup, Radiohead fan here, too.

That "are you a stoner" thread turned bad for a while, but I think it's back on track now...that guy was a troll. ;)

Yeah, I almost contacted a mod before that thread got back on track.
Anywayz, the Meaning of life game was discontinued at Amazon, but I found an eBay link: click me now (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1378281132)

Edit: found the Looney Bin game on eBay too:click again (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1379006501)

Rower_CPU

Sep 8, 2002, 11:37 PM

Holy crap!!!

When did you put that Tenacious D lyric in your sig?!?!?

The D fricken rocks!!!

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Holy crap!!!

When did you put that Tenacious D lyric in your sig?!?!?

The D fricken rocks!!!

Just a couple hours ago; Looks like you've been eating a lot of

Rower_CPU

Sep 8, 2002, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by edvniow
Just a couple hours ago; Looks like you've been eating a lot of

Ha, no, I'm just happy to find another D fan.

Their album kicks major ass, and the HBO show was great!

It's also funny how JB and KG always do movies together...

"This is the greatest and best song in the world............tribute"

vniow

Sep 8, 2002, 11:53 PM

Yeah I'm listening to them right now, I've got their album on my computer plus a bunch of their live stuff (the spiderman song, ******** great) Never saw the HBO show. I think it went off before I got cable. Maybe it'll come out on DVD soon. :p

Rower_CPU

Sep 9, 2002, 12:10 AM

That would be awesome if they released a DVD.

I got hooked on a bunch of bootleg MP3s long before their album came out..."Spiderman", "Sasquatch", "Shells", "Hari Krishna"...ah, so many..."Cabana Bowie" is great, or just the bowie knife song...too funny.

vniow

Sep 9, 2002, 12:16 AM

I've got an MP3 of them doing a song called 'I'm the Only Gay Eskimo', at least I think it's them someone told me that it was somebody else, but I'm not sure, did they do it on the HBO show? It's funnier than ***** whoever does it.

Okay, uh, the next band asked me to read this; stick around if you don't mind some cream in your jeans. here they are, Tenacious D. (Cosmic Shame)

Cappy

Sep 9, 2002, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by edvniow

I gotta go with you, jef on this one. If Intel doesn't have something up its sleeve, the Clawhammer is going to, well, hammer the Itanuim into the ground. Compatibility is more important than speed in this case. :)

It's interesting how everyone has jumped aboard the AMD express and is predicting that the clawhammer will put the hurt'n on Intel if Intel does not provide a similar answer. Odds are MS will force Intel to do just that but the thing people are forgetting is that Intel has tons of mindshare and money that they can use to keep AMD from getting much of anywhere. AMD will not succeed if they don't come up with a few big names...namely Dell and HP. At least one of them has to commit to it for a good length of time.

vniow

Sep 9, 2002, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Cappy

It's interesting how everyone has jumped aboard the AMD express and is predicting that the clawhammer will put the hurt'n on Intel if Intel does not provide a similar answer. Odds are MS will force Intel to do just that but the thing people are forgetting is that Intel has tons of mindshare and money that they can use to keep AMD from getting much of anywhere. AMD will not succeed if they don't come up with a few big names...namely Dell and HP. At least one of them has to commit to it for a good length of time.

Off topic, back to Tenacious D/Monty Python :p