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mrochester
Feb 9, 2011, 01:52 AM
This was a non-story on AT&T, and it's still a non-story on Verizon.

I wonder why this received so much attention. I can diminish the signal on my iPhone 3G and my wife's Droid Eris by holding both of them the same way. I wonder what prompted the widespread coverage of the iPhone 4 doing the same?

Is there a single spot on the 3G or Droid Eris that when touched with a single fingertip can lose as much signal as you can do on the iPhone 4? If not, that's why you don't hear about theses problems with the 3G or Droid Eris, because they don't exhibit the problem in hand.



inkswamp
Feb 9, 2011, 01:58 AM
Is there a single spot on the 3G or Droid Eris that when touched with a single fingertip can lose as much signal as you can do on the iPhone 4? If not, that's why you don't hear about theses problems with the 3G or Droid Eris, because they don't exhibit the problem in hand.

I don't know but what does it matter? The point is that all phones lose some signal strength to one degree or another.

And this so-called problem didn't affect all iPhone 4 owners the same and appears to be worse in areas with weaker signal coverage (something AT&T is known for to begin with.) I know people who own iPhone 4s who have never noticed the problem, and I work with someone who cannot reproduce the problem on his.

I'd say the issue comes from a combination of things and the efforts to push it as a problem unique to the iPhone was misguided at best.

mrochester
Feb 9, 2011, 02:04 AM
I don't know but what does it matter? The point is that all phones lose some signal strength to one degree or another.

And this so-called problem didn't affect all iPhone 4 owners the same and appears to be worse in areas with weaker signal coverage (something AT&T is known for to begin with.) I know people who own iPhone 4s who have never noticed the problem, and I work with someone who cannot reproduce the problem on his.

I'd say the issue comes from a combination of things and the efforts to push it as a problem unique to the iPhone was misguided at best.

Well it does matter because the whole point of this discussion is to demonstrate that the iPhone 4 has a single major point of weakness that no other phone has. If the 3G or Droid Eris don't have a single spot like that then they don't have the same problem.

Unless you can name any other phone that can lose so much signal from a single spot, then the problem is most definitely not misguided; it still lands squarely on the iPhone 4.

viewfly
Feb 9, 2011, 02:06 AM
The difference you haven't mentioned it that by touching the areas mentioned in these manuals you simply degrade the signal. With the iPhone 4, you can lose the signal completely by touching the spot on the left hand side. There's a very big difference between simply losing some bars and loosing all bars and having no connectivity at all. This is how it's a flaw in the iPhone 4 design as no one spot on a phone should be able to make you lose all connectivity completely. It should require a complete covering of an antenna to be able to get anywhere near to loosing all signal, yet the iPhone 4 will lose all single with just a fingertip on that spot. That's a major design and functionality failing.


Maybe you should watch this YouTube to understand why some see AntennaGate and others do not. Single finger on gap. dB loss or data stoppage does not happen in all cases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf5-sMP2ed0

This video Shows lack of antena-gate, when iPhone 4 has good 5 bars or -54dBm and -68 dBm ( 2 examples). No loss in signal (dB) or data speed stoppage. Also shows result with Bumper on. 5 bars begins around -78dBm and goes up to -40dBm (approximately). I found that weaker signals than -72dBm ( i.e. 4 bars) will show antenna-gate in loss of dB ( 22dB) and stoppage of data speeds.

This explains why some see antennagate and others do not.

mrochester
Feb 9, 2011, 02:10 AM
Maybe you should watch this YouTube to understand why some see AntennaGate and others do not. Single finger on gap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf5-sMP2ed0

This video Shows lack of antena-gate, when iPhone 4 has good 5 bars or -54dBm and -68 dBm ( 2 examples). No loss in signal (dB) or data speed stoppage. Also shows result with Bumper on. 5 bars begins around -78dBm and goes up to -40dBm (approximately). I found that weaker signals than -72dBm ( i.e. 4 bars) will show antenna-gate in loss of dB ( 22dB) and stoppage of data speeds.

This explains why some see antennagate and others do not.


Oh I know why it happens to some people and not others. The issue is the people who repeatedly state that it doesn't exist and that it's no worse than any other phone, which we know to not be true. Just testing it myself at home I can see that 'antennagate' is very much a reality! If it wasn't, why can I see it? Hopefully Apple will have bothered themselves to have fixed this come the iPhone 5.

viewfly
Feb 9, 2011, 02:24 AM
Oh I know why it happens to some people and not others. The issue is the people who repeatedly state that it doesn't exist and that it's no worse than any other phone, which we know to not be true. Just testing it myself at home I can see that 'antennagate' is very much a reality! If it wasn't, why can I see it? Hopefully Apple will have bothered themselves to have fixed this come the iPhone 5.

I'm reading your post to say it happens in all cases...which is does not...a single fiber on the gap will NOT reduce the data speeds or dB at all...if you are in a good signal area.

you need to realize that the 'bar' scales represents the very bottom end of the reception scale. All these videos showing loss of signal have 4 bars or less...which is a very poor signal. The problem is that above the 5th bar there should be another 10 bars or so to show the full range of typical reception.

I'm not saying there is no sweet spot flaw...just explaining why for some people, they can hold the phone any which way they wish...and not a problem. All the silly videos with death grip are really just touching the one little 1 mm wide spot.

inkswamp
Feb 9, 2011, 02:25 AM
Well it does matter because the whole point of this discussion is to demonstrate that the iPhone 4 has a single major point of weakness that no other phone has. If the 3G or Droid Eris don't have a single spot like that then they don't have the same problem.

Unless you can name any other phone that can lose so much signal from a single spot, then the problem is most definitely not misguided; it still lands squarely on the iPhone 4.

It is the same problem. There has never been a single smart phone on the market as popular and fast-selling as the iPhone 4 however so its particular manifestation of this signal phenomenon gets put under the microscope in a way that isn't done to any other phone. That's the real difference.

And no, I can't name another phone that has a single spot that, by touching, reduces signal but I do know that during the hysteria over this last summer, there were plenty of videos and websites out there showing other phones with lowered signal strength due to "death grips." And I do recall that a couple phones did have single locations that would yield similar results. I can't tell you what those were now because I was convinced it was a non-story and didn't much care about it at the time and therefore didn't take notes.

mKTank
Feb 9, 2011, 02:30 AM
It is the same problem. There has never been a single smart phone on the market as popular and fast-selling as the iPhone 4 however so its particular manifestation of this signal phenomenon gets put under the microscope in a way that isn't done to any other phone. That's the real difference.

And no, I can't name another phone that has a single spot that, by touching, reduces signal but I do know that during the hysteria over this last summer, there were plenty of videos and websites out there showing other phones with lowered signal strength due to "death grips." And I do recall that a couple phones did have single locations that would yield similar results. I can't tell you what those were now because I was convinced it was a non-story and didn't much care about it at the time and therefore didn't take notes.
Death grip isn't the same as the touch of a finger, bub.

SeaFox
Feb 9, 2011, 02:32 AM
Really?
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7290/screenshot20110208at652.jpg

This is such a non-issue; no one holds their phone like this...

...except people trying to watch streaming internet porn on the bus.

viewfly
Feb 9, 2011, 02:34 AM
It is

And no, I can't name another phone that has a single spot that, by touching, reduces signal but I do know that during the hysteria over this last summer, there were plenty of videos and websites out there showing other phones with lowered signal strength due to "death grips." And I do recall that a couple phones did have single locations that would yield similar results. I can't tell you what those were now because I was convinced it was a non-story and didn't much care about it at the time and therefore didn't take notes.

Probably those phones of yesteryear that had stubby antennas and if you rested your finger on the stub, the signal would go down quite a bit. Or the retractable antenna types, when left retracted...and once again you placed your finger on the antenna it would cause the same problem.

I also don't place my hand on top of the stove burners.

inkswamp
Feb 9, 2011, 02:35 AM
Death grip isn't the same as the touch of a finger, bub.

There were other phones demonstrated to have "weak spots" as well back when this was getting so much attention last summer.

It's a NON-STORY.

inkswamp
Feb 9, 2011, 02:40 AM
Probably those phones of yesteryear that had stubby antennas and if you rested your finger on the stub, the signal would go down quite a bit. Or the retractable antenna types, when left retracted...and once again you placed your finger on the antenna it would cause the same problem.

I also don't place my hand on top of the stove burners.

No, they were mostly of the more up-to-date variety sporting similar form factors to the iPhone. I know what I'm talking about. I've heard this argument before that it's different because the iPhone has a weak spot, but there are other phones out there with the same. It's not unique to the iPhone.

Good thinking with the stove burner, btw. Just wish you could apply that kind of common sense and logic to this whole non-story because then you'd see that it was mostly driven by a tech press eager to prove Apple isn't infallible.

viewfly
Feb 9, 2011, 02:49 AM
No, they were mostly of the more up-to-date variety sporting similar form factors to the iPhone. I know what I'm talking about. I've heard this argument before that it's different because the iPhone has a weak spot, but there are other phones out there with the same. It's not unique to the iPhone.

Good thinking with the stove burner, btw. Just wish you could apply that kind of common sense and logic to this whole non-story because then you'd see that it was mostly driven by a tech press eager to prove Apple isn't infallible.

I'm not really sure if you are agreeing with me or not?

Stubby antennas were around for decades...and they had similar issues.

Stove top. I go bare with my iPhone 4 and I know not to touch that 1 mm black band, if I'm at 4 bars or a signal worse than -78 dBm or so. It is not hard to remember.

On the Verizon iphone, the iLounge tests are lame. Clearly the 'hot spot' has been moved to a less likely to be touched area. And also some other improvments too, internally. But iLounge makes a point of touching it with their new death grip, without really talking about it.

FAil.

inkswamp
Feb 9, 2011, 03:06 AM
I'm not really sure if you are agreeing with me or not?

Stubby antennas were around for decades...and they had similar issues.

Fair enough. I don't really feel like I'm trying to argue with you so much as point out a nuance about how I see this compared to how you (presumably) see this. My point is that all phones experience signal degradation based on how they're held--whether it's due to touching the antenna in a certain way or place or whatever. The point is that it happens to all phones.

It seems pointless to me to split hairs over it. So let's say for the sake of argument (and because I'm too lazy to Google it) that there really were no other phones with the "death spot". My reaction is big deal. Focusing on that one difference, that you have to touch one spot versus gripping the antenna a certain way is meaningless, misses the forest for the trees. The big picture view of the problem, regardless of how it manifests itself in any given phone, is all the same: physical contact reduces signal.

So like I said, it's a non-story. It's meaningless to point out that one phone does it with a particular spot and another does it with a grip. Same difference, same result.

manyax111
Feb 9, 2011, 03:46 AM
If the case solves the problem then why can't apple just make sone kind of build-in case or cover the metal antenna parts with plastic..

Hope they will on next iphone.

SAD*FACED*CLOWN
Feb 9, 2011, 03:50 AM
So I suppose this takes the death star off the hook?

viewfly
Feb 9, 2011, 04:07 AM
Fair enough. I don't really feel like I'm trying to argue with you so much as point out a nuance about how I see this compared to how you (presumably) see this. My point is that all phones experience signal degradation based on how they're held--whether it's due to touching the antenna in a certain way or place or whatever. The point is that it happens to all phones.

It seems pointless to me to split hairs over it. So let's say for the sake of argument (and because I'm too lazy to Google it) that there really were no other phones with the "death spot". My reaction is big deal. Focusing on that one difference, that you have to touch one spot versus gripping the antenna a certain way is meaningless, misses the forest for the trees. The big picture view of the problem, regardless of how it manifests itself in any given phone, is all the same: physical contact reduces signal.

So like I said, it's a non-story. It's meaningless to point out that one phone does it with a particular spot and another does it with a grip. Same difference, same result.

Yeah, I guess you are misreading my post, or it is too early in the morning and I'm not composing it well.

I was agreeing with everything you said and have always pointed out the same arguments as you have. Re my youtube posting above, and one on Macrumors from last summer on holding my 6230 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_RP7Fn1w8Q)

so we are on the same page.

robert05au
Feb 9, 2011, 04:15 AM
Come on! Who holds their phone like that in the first place? Sure if you let your hand have sex with your phone by totally molesting it, you will have signal issues. I have been using an iPhone 4 since the day it came out, and I have never encountered anttenaegate...

Exactly putting that much pressure on any phone could not be good for it in any way shape or form.

Wonders what would happen if the glass panels where to suddenly break in the hand of the person holding it.

SockRolid
Feb 9, 2011, 04:17 AM
There's a bumper for that.

inkswamp
Feb 9, 2011, 04:31 AM
Yeah, I guess you are misreading my post, or it is too early in the morning and I'm not composing it well.

I was agreeing with everything you said and have always pointed out the same arguments as you have. Re my youtube posting above, and one on Macrumors from last summer on holding my 6230 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_RP7Fn1w8Q)

so we are on the same page.

Ah, scrolling up, it looks like I was conflating your posts with those of mrochester. Most of what I've posted was meant for that person. That's what I get for peeking in intermittently on MR while trying to work on something else... and being up too late. Sorry for any confusion I caused. :o

atheistpally
Feb 9, 2011, 04:31 AM
so the verizon iphone has the same signal issues, yet THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2H-3Gf_fL8) is the commercial they put out.

are people just simply not allowed to hear the truth anymore?

womble2k2
Feb 9, 2011, 04:58 AM
Lets just go back to phones with 6 inch extendable aerials!

Seriously, although I did get one of the free bumbers, I actually don't use it and don't suffer from any problems because I hold the phone like I would any other handset, i.e. I don't bridge any gaps or surround the phone with my signal absorbing hands.

Common sense required here. Why would you need to hold the phone with the 'death hug'?

From the iLounge website;
The problem with Wi-Fi reception appears when the device is held snugly in landscape orientation with two hands, a position common when playing games or using the widescreen keyboard.
Um, I play a lot of landscape games that require Wi-Fi or 3G connectivity and I never hold it like that. And how do you type if all of your hands are surrounding the phone? I hold the phone with my left hand and type with my right.

Oh dear. Anything to boast readership I think.

aldo82
Feb 9, 2011, 05:13 AM
If the case solves the problem then why can't apple just make sone kind of build-in case or cover the metal antenna parts with plastic..

Hope they will on next iphone.
Because it would be total fail if they did. I can't imagine anything worse than if apple started wrapping it in cheapo plastic. I don't use a case, I have made the choice to not touch the tiny little black bar on the phone when I am using it and I find reception is better than the 3g and 3gs. I am often in a low signal area and can replicate the antenna problem, I just choose not to

iPhoneCollector
Feb 9, 2011, 06:42 AM
Only a monkey would hold their phone like that

Hawkeye411
Feb 9, 2011, 06:47 AM
Why wouldn't they fix the problem? What is wrong with Apple? The quality is going downhill!!

spazzcat
Feb 9, 2011, 06:55 AM
Well it does matter because the whole point of this discussion is to demonstrate that the iPhone 4 has a single major point of weakness that no other phone has. If the 3G or Droid Eris don't have a single spot like that then they don't have the same problem.

Unless you can name any other phone that can lose so much signal from a single spot, then the problem is most definitely not misguided; it still lands squarely on the iPhone 4.

On the VZW iPhone 4 he is not touching a spot on the phone, he is squeezing it as hard as he can and every cell phone will lose signal if you do this...

gctwnl
Feb 9, 2011, 07:01 AM
I recall having read that the iPhone is set up according to official standards with respect to average tower distances (which are supposed to be larger in the US than is in the official world standard for GSM). It is supposed to put out a weaker GSM signal than it should for US circumstances (and this obviously saves battery life but would imply worse performance for connections). Can anybody confirm/deny this?

0815
Feb 9, 2011, 07:16 AM
I hear when you hold the iPhone in your hand it significantly degrades your ability to see the screen...no mention of this affecting other phones.


(of course I'm kidding...can't see screen because your hand is in the way)

That calls for a class action suit ... If they can't even make a phone where my hand becomes transparent when I cover parts of the screen - just a lame design. Don't care if that happens on other phones or not - Apple should have thought of this before making this stupid design :rolleyes:

seisend
Feb 9, 2011, 07:24 AM
Who the **** holds the iPhone like that? PLEASE.

GET A LIFE

ten-oak-druid
Feb 9, 2011, 07:28 AM
Well it does matter because the whole point of this discussion is to demonstrate that the iPhone 4 has a single major point of weakness that no other phone has. If the 3G or Droid Eris don't have a single spot like that then they don't have the same problem.

Unless you can name any other phone that can lose so much signal from a single spot, then the problem is most definitely not misguided; it still lands squarely on the iPhone 4.

Get over it. It was a software issue with bars dropping. If you own a particular phone that loses calls when you hold it then bring it back and get it replaced. If you don't own one of these phones and you are complaining then you just like like to moan and complain about it.

aliensporebomb
Feb 9, 2011, 07:41 AM
Video reminds me of the kid who used big words in the Trekkies documentary.

Death hug. Give me a freakin' break.

MacontheBeach
Feb 9, 2011, 07:56 AM
Are people really this ****** stupid? It's such a non-issue that even a complete deet de deee can work it out. All phones have attenuation!! Simple. Hold your phone like a normal person and there is no problem. iLounge must be desperate for hits or something. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

mrochester
Feb 9, 2011, 07:56 AM
Get over it. It was a software issue with bars dropping. If you own a particular phone that loses calls when you hold it then bring it back and get it replaced. If you don't own one of these phones and you are complaining then you just like like to moan and complain about it.

I'm complaining because I want Apple to do better and to fix the problems/faults. If we just sit back and except it, we won't affect change!

aldo82
Feb 9, 2011, 08:28 AM
I just watched the video. The 'death hug' is hilarious! He's clutching the phone so tightly he can hardly press the screen!!

dernhelm
Feb 9, 2011, 08:30 AM
The video makes no effort to see if this antenna bridging remains a factor on the Verizon iPhone 4.


There you can be sure there isn't a problem. There's no way they would have missed the opportunity to report on something so easy to test.

kayno
Feb 9, 2011, 08:41 AM
Why wouldn't they fix the problem? What is wrong with Apple? The quality is going downhill!!

You're kidding right? EVERY PHONE Suffers antena attenuation if the antenas are covered.. I believed they rellocated the antennas so they are not covered during your normal holding style.. but that moron in the video had to grip the entire phone to cover the antennas.. even in his death grip he had a finger over the top part of the phone which is where i think apple most have relocated the radio and 3g antennas.. So apple technically "fixed" the issue.. however its not moron proof..

linsam
Feb 9, 2011, 08:50 AM
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Enough already. If you are having problems, just get a case. Problem solved. Move on.

Dented
Feb 9, 2011, 08:51 AM
I know I'm just repeating what a hundred other sensible people have pointed out, but this is just pathetic - iLounge must be desperate.

The original "death grip" was supposed to be an issue because just by holding one corner of the phone, you could attenuate the signal. In this video, the guy is practically sitting on top of it. He couldn't be trying harder to tightly cover every possible surface in both the "grip" and even more ridiculous "hug" positions, and even then he doesn't actually succeed in stopping the phone from loading, despite what he claims in the voiceover. No phone is going to be unaffected by that kind of handling, and more crucially, no phone is going to be held like that in real life anyway.

Utter, utter non-issue and I'm embarrassed for everyone involved.

darthraige
Feb 9, 2011, 08:56 AM
Unless you hold the phone like a moron, you'll have this problem. I was on a 45 minute phone call yesterday on my Verizon iPhone and had no issue.

Who the heck holds a phone like that? You serious?

morespce54
Feb 9, 2011, 09:02 AM
Does that mean a new "You hugging it wrong" moto? ;)

sk58781111
Feb 9, 2011, 09:15 AM
who the heck squeezes their phone or gives it a "death hug"??.....gimme a break. any cellular device will react that way.

milo
Feb 9, 2011, 09:15 AM
Lame report. The real test is antenna bridging, and they didn't test that - other reports have said that antenna bridging doesn't kill the signal and if that's true than this version IS a notable improvement.

CQd44
Feb 9, 2011, 09:26 AM
Next they'll put it in a farraday cage and complain.
The whole deal about the first iphone was the one spot you couldn't touch and the fact that this spot coincided with how a lot of people hold their phones.

glemmestad
Feb 9, 2011, 09:28 AM
Anyone else noticed he started out with 3 out of 4 bar coverage, before even starting to molest the phone? Ie. he's already in a bad coverage area...

davidsol
Feb 9, 2011, 09:29 AM
Just. Don't. Hold. It. That. Way.

OK?

davidsol
Feb 9, 2011, 09:31 AM
Just. Don't. Hold. It. That. Way.

OK?

I should also point out-- try the "death choke". That's when you swallow your iphone. Once it's in your stomach, you'll notice severe antenna issues due to the mass of tissue between the device and the cellular network. However, your own cellular network, lining your stomach, will act as a faraday cage, so perhaps it's an unfair test.

So, what Steve said. OK?

leroypants
Feb 9, 2011, 09:38 AM
Apple engineer: Steve I noticed a design flaw in the antenna

Steve: It's not a flaw, you are just stupid and holding it wrong

Apple engineer: Should we fix this?

Steve: No

Apple engineer: Why not?

Steve: Because i will sell millions of iphones to the suckers who not only put up with a defective device but will defend it just because it's an apple product.
Then next i'll sell millions of phones to those sucker fanboys again.

Apple engineer: Really?

Steve: Yeah just look.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1093267

iPhoneCollector
Feb 9, 2011, 09:44 AM
...except people trying to watch streaming internet porn on the bus.

Which is like 99% of iphone users. The 1% is gay.

Pink∆Floyd
Feb 9, 2011, 09:54 AM
I think we can all agree that the moral of this thread is that ilounge was desperate for hits and that if you make a painfully stupid video about holding iPhone like a moron to try and "prove" some issue with the phone people will react.

They got their reaction now let's close this thread

michaelsviews
Feb 9, 2011, 10:02 AM
iLounge must need some hits. Hasn't it been proven that all phones do this to some extent? Or are we ignoring signal degradation when it happens to other phones?

iPhone = High Profile, Apple big money, so some people have to bash what they can where they can.

In the video , I'd say its the cheap wedding band the guy had on that made the signal degrade.

Who cares there still going to sell millions of them and people are going to bitch about what ever they can , human nature.

peterdevries
Feb 9, 2011, 10:18 AM
Which is like 99% of iphone users. The 1% is gay.

It's 100%. Gay people also watch porn. Also, the average amount of gay people in the general population is more around 8-10%.

Chris Blount
Feb 9, 2011, 10:27 AM
I just did the "Death Hug" around my neck to attenuated the blood and air and guess what?....I dropped 3 bars.

Pink∆Floyd
Feb 9, 2011, 10:34 AM
I just did the "Death Hug" around my neck to attenuated the blood and air and guess what?....I dropped 3 bars.

How did you do only drop 3 bars when I only dropped 2?

MUST. ATTENUATE. HARDER!

Castiel
Feb 9, 2011, 12:09 PM
Is there a single spot on the 3G or Droid Eris that when touched with a single fingertip can lose as much signal as you can do on the iPhone 4? If not, that's why you don't hear about theses problems with the 3G or Droid Eris, because they don't exhibit the problem in hand.
Where in this video does he even come close to using a single fingertip?
He's manhandling that phone like it owes him money.

martygras9
Feb 9, 2011, 12:34 PM
I've tried this on my own Verizon iPhone. Can't replicate it at all.

Who the heck holds their phone like this anyway? This is like saying, "Did you know that when you cover your eyes, you can't see? That's a major defect."

Tsunami911
Feb 9, 2011, 01:02 PM
Who holds their phone like that? When he was showing the 3G "problem" his palm and fingers were covering a 1/3 of the screen. Please...

Biggest non-issue I have seen to date with the iPhone and there have been a lot of them.

Swift
Feb 9, 2011, 02:28 PM
Done for the page hit. "New media" can be just as tiresome as dead tree journalism. Here's a hint: use some respect for your audience when you're thinking of a story.

You know, I've also discovered if I hold the bottom vents on the iPhone 4, I block the speakers, and the sound is attenuated! Yes, it is, Christopher Robin. Solution: don't hold it that way.

Everybody is raving about the reception they're getting on Verizon, and the lack of dropped calls. Same basic phone. Different result. Difference: a network that has a huge debt from ambitious expansion in the early 2000's, still has a rat's nest of incompatible billing systems to work out -- try to get a regular landline, UVerse and cellphone working on AT&T -- and as a result spends 90% of its capital on Billing and Debt Service! They haven't spent enough on towers and engineering!

I'm sure Verizon's records will show the same very low dropout rate as any other phone. This is sheer stupidity, and an obvious example of where Jobs' flip remark was exactly right. Don't squeeze the phone so damn tight and you won't be shocked by losing bars, which has a rough but only approximate relationship with actually getting a bad connection.

Pivot77
Feb 9, 2011, 02:53 PM
Who didn't notice that this is a jailbroken AT&T iphone? you can see the antenna gap at the bottom and on the top you can see the battery percentage. He changed the provider name. For all we know he has an app that slows down the data and uses the volume button to activate it.

munmac
Feb 9, 2011, 02:55 PM
next we'll have the "death walk," where if you stand on top of your iphone, it breaks :eek:

:d

mrochester
Feb 9, 2011, 03:13 PM
Done for the page hit. "New media" can be just as tiresome as dead tree journalism. Here's a hint: use some respect for your audience when you're thinking of a story.

You know, I've also discovered if I hold the bottom vents on the iPhone 4, I block the speakers, and the sound is attenuated! Yes, it is, Christopher Robin. Solution: don't hold it that way.

Everybody is raving about the reception they're getting on Verizon, and the lack of dropped calls. Same basic phone. Different result. Difference: a network that has a huge debt from ambitious expansion in the early 2000's, still has a rat's nest of incompatible billing systems to work out -- try to get a regular landline, UVerse and cellphone working on AT&T -- and as a result spends 90% of its capital on Billing and Debt Service! They haven't spent enough on towers and engineering!

I'm sure Verizon's records will show the same very low dropout rate as any other phone. This is sheer stupidity, and an obvious example of where Jobs' flip remark was exactly right. Don't squeeze the phone so damn tight and you won't be shocked by losing bars, which has a rough but only approximate relationship with actually getting a bad connection.
I don't have to squeeze my iPhone at all to make it drop to 'no service', I just have to touch this one spot, which just so happens to be exactly where my hand rest when I'm holding the phone. Care to explain that issue?

iPhoneCollector
Feb 9, 2011, 03:24 PM
And if you put it into a bag made out of aluminum foil the signal drops instantly please fix this apple its a huge fault

docpsycho
Feb 9, 2011, 03:34 PM
Jeez, just turn up the RF wattage and cook your fingers and boil your blood. Now that would be news!

jmull
Feb 9, 2011, 03:39 PM
How do these goobers think their phone's antenna can work if you cover it up! Why not just run a ground wire to the antenna and call it defective. Technology does require some common sense, unfortunately. :rolleyes: :apple:

AlkFoo
Feb 9, 2011, 03:55 PM
Pivot77... You are all over that one (jailbroke phone).

Things aren't always as they are percieved, or is it things are as they're percieved?

Jailbroke, AT&T iPhone 4 in New York City! No Issue:eek:

AppleFan1998
Feb 9, 2011, 04:40 PM
Come on! Who holds their phone like that in the first place? Sure if you let your hand have sex with your phone by totally molesting it, you will have signal issues. I have been using an iPhone 4 since the day it came out, and I have never encountered anttenaegate...

As jtalbert says, who the **** holds the phone like that anyhow. No one really does a death grip unless they are holding it tight falling from a rock climbing expedition and the death hug is maybe when kids are texting under the dinner table :D

In case anyone is interesting, I hold the phone like a book opened up one handed with the bottom edge of the leaning on my pinky. Just try not to think too much about how to hold the phone just pick it up so that you could see the screen and thats it! No death grips you can't use your thumb to move the icons on the screen and such.

machewcoy
Feb 9, 2011, 06:40 PM
I just did the "Death Hug" around my neck to attenuated the blood and air and guess what?....I dropped 3 bars.

How did you do only drop 3 bars when I only dropped 2?

MUST. ATTENUATE. HARDER!

Oh man, I just tried, I just shut off completely until my brother came in and reset me?? I think human bodies were designed wrong - we should get refunds!!!

moosez3
Feb 9, 2011, 07:57 PM
i am trying very hard to replicate these results with my verizon iphone and all i lose is one bar, if that. when i had an at&t iphone, all i had to do was THINK about holding it wrong and it would drop to one or no bars. dont be too swayed by this anti-verizon propaganda, i think your local coverage might have something to do with it

yeah this guy is just trying to get traffic on his site which is why he said, "we were the first to do it with the att iPhone."

Either way im getting the Thunderbolt though, talking and surfing are only important to me when im driving and using maps, so I dont lose my directions...
which is a lot, so verizon talking and surfing here I come, FINALLY! :eek:

moosez3
Feb 9, 2011, 07:59 PM
Oh man, I just tried, I just shut off completely until my brother came in and reset me?? I think human bodies were designed wrong - we should get refunds!!!

I been sasying that for 25 years, and only until someone does it to an iPhone does anyone care!
:p

ThomasJL
Feb 9, 2011, 07:59 PM
Or it's just how you're looking at it. I think it's more people like this like to find such "flaws" in Apple products because it isn't particularly expected.
But come on, a "death hug" is a legitimate complaint? Hardly.

Typical fanboy response.

The "death hug" is quite similar to the normal way to hold a phone. What is abnormal is fanboys and their messiah Steve telling us to hold the phone with our fingertips.

^^BIGMac
Feb 9, 2011, 08:10 PM
Well, this is going to change everything...again. Magical. :D

Michaelgtrusa
Feb 9, 2011, 08:16 PM
Not surprised.

ichliebe
Feb 9, 2011, 08:22 PM
Very surprised

Castiel
Feb 9, 2011, 10:22 PM
Typical fanboy response.

The "death hug" is quite similar to the normal way to hold a phone. What is abnormal is fanboys and their messiah Steve telling us to hold the phone with our fingertips.
Lol, oh please. Shoving "fanboy" into your post over and over just makes you look like you're desperate to make a point. Suddenly everything I say is bias! Gasp!

You can't honestly expect me to believe that's an average way of holding the phone and that this person suddenly realized "Ouup! What's happening to my wifi!?" Please, they purposely groped that phone until they found a drop... hence the "death hug."

And look, I just made another fanboy response. Damn.

aaronhead14
Feb 9, 2011, 11:39 PM
this post is absolutely ridiculous! do you see how he's holding it? who would ever hold it that way? it's like... so inconvenient. he's trying to make the antenna bars go down. you could do that to any phone if you tried. the "issue" with the at&t model is that it happened when people held it regularly. not ridiculously.

Jayomat
Feb 10, 2011, 02:56 AM
this post is absolutely ridiculous! do you see how he's holding it? who would ever hold it that way? [...].

Seriously! Ridiculous post indeed!

G5isAlive
Feb 10, 2011, 07:28 AM
I don't have to squeeze my iPhone at all to make it drop to 'no service', I just have to touch this one spot, which just so happens to be exactly where my hand rest when I'm holding the phone. Care to explain that issue?

1) if you refuse to get a cover and 2) if you insist on holding it your way and 3) if you live in an area where AT&T coverage is that bad to begin with and 4) if you refuse to switch carriers and get the verizon iPhone instead

I dont think explaining anything to you will help at all.

you have choices. exercise them.

have a nice day :)

Mess
Feb 10, 2011, 10:13 AM
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm275/theflatline42/homer-boring-scaled.jpg

Mobster Sauce
Feb 10, 2011, 02:26 PM
this post is absolutely ridiculous! do you see how he's holding it? who would ever hold it that way? it's like... so inconvenient. he's trying to make the antenna bars go down. you could do that to any phone if you tried. the "issue" with the at&t model is that it happened when people held it regularly. not ridiculously.

That was for WIFI testing only. The 3G test was done while just holding the phone normally.

That's why they call it a test. He was trying to see if the wifi could be affected in the same way that the 3G was affected. It takes more work to drop the wifi indeed, but 3G dropped pretty easily.

People need to grow up and realize what this is.

Strongfist36
Feb 11, 2011, 10:05 PM
Listen, this is foolishness. The iPhone 4 does NOT have an antenna issue. The death grip is false as Apple has proved.

Don't believe? There proof is right here: ****************KfKsv

Mobster Sauce
Feb 12, 2011, 08:45 AM
Listen, this is foolishness. The iPhone 4 does NOT have an antenna issue. The death grip is false as Apple has proved.

Don't believe? There proof is right here: ****************KfKsv

The death grip is not false. I have the issue and so do many other people.