Miss Family Values Strikes Again!

[IJ Reilly]

Right-wing pundit Ann Coulter referred to the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show performance featuring singers Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake as "simulated interracial sex," claimed that college professors make controversial statements to get "laid by coeds with hairy armpits who probably don't like men," and called the presence of "girls" in the military "appalling" -- all in one night of cable news appearances.

On the February 7 edition of FOX News' Hannity & Colmes, Coulter criticized ads that aired during the 2005 Super Bowl, saying, "this is juvenile, 4-year-old humor," and added: "And last year's Super Bowl show, ooh, simulated interracial sex." During the 2004 performance, Timberlake ripped a piece of Jackson's clothing, briefly exposing one of her breasts in what Timberlake later called a "wardrobe malfunction."

On the February 7 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country, appearing alongside host and former Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL) and Republican strategist Karen Hanretty to discuss University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill's comparison of some victims of the World Trade Center terrorist attacks to Nazis, Coulter commented: "These guys [college professors] want to go around acting like big radicals, getting laid by coeds with hairy armpits who probably don't like men, by going to conferences and saying, 'Oh, yes, I'm the one who said that.'"

Later in the same segment, Coulter responded to a question from Scarborough about the military's recent demotion of a female U.S. soldier in Iraq for indecent exposure during a mud wrestling party: "I would like a United States military capable of winning wars, which will not involve sending girls to do fighting." Coulter concluded: "And, yes, I think it's appalling that these women are mud wrestling, but I think it's appalling that they are in the military."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200502080002

[takao]

brawhahaha .... i wonder why she still gets airtime...

[Dont Hurt Me]

Who cares about that snob, it was a Great SuperBowl and i won $25.00 :D

[Blue Velvet]

"interracial sex"

hints at a darker aspect to Ms. Coulter's views...

You know, I'd never heard of this woman until I joined MR. She has zero recognition in European media except on name terms alone...

Where has she come from? The Fifties?

[mactastic]

"interracial sex"

hints at a darker aspect to Ms. Coulter's views...

You know, I'd never heard of this woman until I joined MR. She has zero recognition in European media except on name terms alone...

Where has she come from? The Fifties?
If you mean the 1650's then yes.

[Peterkro]

Still don't know who she is(aside from a nutter obv.).What is the thing about women not shaving = lesbian.Surely to Christ we've come far enough out of the ooze not to need those kind of prejudices. :confused:

[Blue Velvet]

What is the thing about women not shaving = lesbian.

She obviously hasn't been to Greece or the South of Italy...

*Blue Velvet re-examines her own armpits & sexuality*

[mactastic]

She obviously hasn't been to Greece or the South of Italy...

*Blue Velvet re-examines her own armpits & sexuality*
I'd guess she's probably not terrible welcome outside the US. She has a long history of these kinds of comments.

Edit: Vintage Coulter, and my favorite of her many witty observations...
We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

[Thanatoast]

brawhahaha .... i wonder why she still gets airtime...
Are you kidding? She's like the Howard Stern of the pundit world. Shock value, totally.

I'm not surprised she's nearly unheard of outside of the US. I can't believe (actually, I *can* believe) that people take her seriously over here. She's just a vicarious way for the clueless to vent their frustration.

[takao]

"interracial sex"

hints at a darker aspect to Ms. Coulter's views...

You know, I'd never heard of this woman until I joined MR. She has zero recognition in European media except on name terms alone...

Where has she come from? The Fifties?

me neither ... (that and a few few other things like that CNN is considered 'liberal' and not conservative like i thought)

seriously she would have a hard time in the media/press over here with such comments... it would be worth a watch...

[mactastic]

seriously she would have a hard time in the media/press over here with such comments... it would be worth a watch...

I'd pay to see that!

[pdham]

Sometimes it is amusingly disheartening or just amusing or just disheartening.... anyway, what some people will say...

But Xtremehkr is dead on. Not even the shows that put her on think she is sane, but ridiculous comments get viewers and viewers beget money. Ahh capatilism

[pseudobrit]

Not even the shows that put her on think she is sane, but ridiculous comments get viewers and viewers beget money.

C'est la journalisme

[IJ Reilly]

As I so tediously observe, over and over and over and... <ahem>

We may all think she's an evil circus clown, but I've yet to hear her xenophobic ranting disowned by Republicans. The sad fact is, she's very much an owned pit bull, and hardly anybody thinks their vicious doggie ought to be put down because it's just too mean to live.

Noting also, that a part of the motivation for her latest spew was the college professor in Colorado who wrote some stupid stuff about 9-11. Now that guy's been all over the media, being generally ripped to shreds, even though nobody had ever heard of him before outside of his cloistered halls. And yet, and yet, Coulter the Caustic gets hours every week on FOX and other places where good sense is just two words in the dictionary to say perfectly lovely things like Muslims who won't covert to Christianity deserve to die (oh, yes she has). And hardly anyone peeps.

Every time I think of it, it's well, just to frigging amazing to think about.

[Xtremehkr]

http://www.joycekaufman.com/anntrash.jpg

Hey little Ann has come a long way from her beginnings in wherever it is you shoot your gun off your front porch.

It's gonna take some time to get those manners down though.

Has she passed the bar or what? cause she is always hyped as a lawyer, but I can't imagine her being a practising one.

[pseudobrit]

http://www.joycekaufman.com/anntrash.jpg Holy crap! She's left handed!

[Thomas Veil]

Coulter just gets worse and worse. Like Blue Velvet, I'm intrigued by the fact that she specifically mentioned "interracial sex", as if that was something unsavory and perverse. It's also interesting that this chickenhawk doesn't want "girls" in the army....

The fact that Coulter is still on TV reminds me a little bit of Howard Beale, in that you have a venal TV network putting (as they termed it in "Network") a "manifestly insane" person on the air purely for the ratings that such a freak show will draw. That's the network (Fox). Coulter herself is, of course, very unlike Howard Beale in that, insane or not, Beale spoke the utter truth, whereas Coulter has probably never had an honest thought in her entire life.

[IJ Reilly]

And the other, even more important difference is, I don't think any of Coulter's fans regard her as a mental train wreck. The Beale character in Network was clearly off his rocker, but in an interesting way that people just couldn't avoid watching. Everything sells on TV was the message, I believe. Ann Coulter is more of a garden-variety demagogue, in the tradition of Father Caughlin. And where is the outrage?

BTW, according to my morning paper, the professor in Colorado now feels the need to have bodyguards.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Ann needs help, maybe she will find Jesus one day. :D

[Taft]

Holy crap! She's left handed!

I've acutally seen a version of that picture (on Coulter's website, I believe) that was flipped horizontally. So, I'm not sure she is a lefty.

Which is probably good for her sanity, actually. Given her hysterical attitude towards the left, she would probably take being lefty-handed pretty hard.

Crazy woman.

Taft

[ColoJohnBoy]

I swear to God... If I come out on the power side when Bush makes the US a fascist state, this woman's books are the first in the bonfire.

[mactastic]

Nice to see you back Colo... where you been?

[latergator116]

I've acutally seen a version of that picture (on Coulter's website, I believe) that was flipped horizontally. So, I'm not sure she is a lefty.

Which is probably good for her sanity, actually. Given her hysterical attitude towards the left, she would probably take being lefty-handed pretty hard.

Crazy woman.

Taft

Thanks for comforting me. Being a lefty, I tend to take pride in my hand. I sure as heck don't want to associate my pride with that hag.

[Xtremehkr]

McKeown/Coulter Exchange. (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/sticksandstones.html)

The expression on her face is classic.

The entire documentary is well worth watching.

[wwworry]

New York's Upper East side is filled with these pampered blonds whose only job is to shop all day long, bitching and moaning about the help. It's the only place where you'll see a line outside of a movie theater at 2:30 in the afternoon and the store that sells fancy paper is completely packed. This is where Ann Coulter comes from.

[OutThere]

McKeown/Coulter Exchange. (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/sticksandstones.html)

The expression on her face is classic.

The entire documentary is well worth watching.

Haha! Dumb ****! Insults Canada and then gets pwned trying to show what she knows about Canada. (Nothing)

:D

[chanoc]

The Russian Mafia needs to abduct her, and then sell her into sex slavery porno whipping videos. :D

[absolut_mac]

Where has she come from? The Fifties?

I've both seen her interviewed on TV and heard the occasional interview with her on radio talk shows. She is quite an attractive woman, and seems to be very intelligent too - which seems to me to be the main reason (the attractive part) she's seen on TV so often.

During debates she usually makes her opponents look like idiots, mainly because she comes to the table with all the facts, while they only bring their opinions.

But, having said that, her views are so right of center that they're off the page. IMHO it seems to me that even most conservatives don't take her too seriously, but just use her as a foil to play mind games with their opponents and rile them up.

As for her quote "interracial sex", it just seems like such an anachronistic remark. I guess she's still living in the unreality of "Leave it to Beaver", or the "Brady Bunch".

[Thomas Veil]

During debates she usually makes her opponents look like idiots, mainly because she comes to the table with all the facts, while they only bring their opinions.Actually, no, though I can understand why you'd say that. She is an expert at distracting, dissembling and distorting to give the impression that she's talking about facts. But if you go back and look at her "facts", they don't hold up.

Al Franken managed to dismantle her pretty thoroughly in his book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. Just one example:

In Slander, Coulter wrote: "After Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas wrote an opinion contrary to the clearly expressed position of The New York Times editorial page, the Times responded with an editorial on Thomas titled, 'The Youngest, Cruelest Justice.' That was actually the heading on the lead editorial in the Newspaper of Record. Thomas is not engaged on the substance of his judicial philosophy. He is called a 'colored lawn jockey for conservative white interests,' 'race traitor,' 'black snake,' 'chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom,' 'house Negro' and 'handkerchief head,' 'Benedict Arnold' and 'Judas Iscariot.' All this from the tireless opponents of intolerance."

Now. Reading that, wouldn't you assume it was terrible that the NYT called him that, even in an editorial? Almost certainly.

Except that from the words "Thomas is not engaged..." on, Coulter is quoting a Playboy interview with former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders and a black leader at a meeting of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference that was quoted The New Yorker.

Franken's comment: "The key here, of course, is the slight of hand -- 'editorial in the Newspaper of Record. Thomas is not engaged...' -- that deliberately leads gullible readers to the conclusion that the Times called Clarence Thomas 'a colored lawn jockey.'"

Such juxtaposition is just one of several ways Coulter manufactures her "facts". But even clever liars manage to screw themselves from time to time, as she did in that CBC interview. The really galling part is that, even when directly confronted with her error, she refused to back down. After all, she knows more about Canadian history than Canadians do. :rolleyes:

[Thomas Veil]

Oh hell, after clicking on Xtremehkr's link -- which contains a link to Coulter's own web site -- I won't even concede you that she's attractive:

http://www.anncoulter.com/photos/silver-dress.jpg

Do you suppose there's some correlation between insanity and anorexia?

[Peterkro]

Oh hell, after clicking on Xtremehkr's link -- which contains a link to Coulter's own web site -- I won't even concede you that she's attractive:

http://www.anncoulter.com/photos/silver-dress.jpg

Do you suppose there's some correlation between insanity and anorexia?
No but the two are obviously not mutally exclusive.

[absolut_mac]

Oh hell, after clicking on Xtremehkr's link -- which contains a link to Coulter's own web site -- I won't even concede you that she's attractive:

Actually, even in that pic I still think that she is an attractive woman. A little too anorexic for me, but attractive nonetheless.

Do you suppose there's some correlation between insanity and anorexia?

Maybe the lack of vitamins or insufficient nutrients ;)

[IJ Reilly]

Nobody's ever been able to explain Coulter's Adam's Apple. The scientist in me demands to know. (The rest of me doesn't give a hoot.)

[pseudobrit]

Nobody's ever been able to explain Coulter's Adam's Apple.

That's a man, baby!
why... won't... this... wig... come... off?!

[IJ Reilly]

The hair is real, but I wouldn't bet more than I could afford to lose on the rest.

[mischief]

That's a man, baby!
why... won't... this... wig... come... off?!

Hmm... She/he does have a pronounced jawline and shows some thickening of the skin in what could have been a beardline... possibly consistent with electrolosys. I can be pretty sure the work wasn't done in California though: we've got a very rigorous process of screening and psych evals before a candidate gets hormones and surgery.

Pronounced Anorexia would also hide the more subtle differences in musculature and skeletal structure that would show through even on a slightly built male-origin frame.

Do we have any good shots of her knees while standing or sitting? Male knees are thicker and knobbier. This is a feature no surgery I can think of can change.

[zimv20]

Do we have any good shots of her knees while standing or sitting?
no, the picture i have of her dick cuts off mid-thigh.

ta-da! that's my first dick joke of 2005.

[mischief]

no, the picture i have of her dick cuts off mid-thigh.

ta-da! that's my first dick joke of 2005.

Dear me that's crass... I researched that pic and apparently our dual-identity neocon-by-day, flaming-internet-porn-mogul-by-night "reporter" claims it's her clitoris. He also claims she's the hottest thing in the Republican party. :eek:

[katchow]

good golly zim. i just about lost a mouthful of coffee with that one :)

[vniow]

She is not or never was a man. No one in that situation would be as hateful as she is, especially over queer issues.

[zimv20]

good golly zim. i just about lost a mouthful of coffee with that one :)
my goal is to make skunk have to wipe coffee off his screen. additional coffee accidents are icing :-)

[mactastic]

She is not or never was a man. No one in that situation would be as hateful as she is, especially over queer issues.

You'd think that, but then along comes someone like JimJeff (http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/02/man-called-jeff.html) to reaffirm how much some people must hate themselves, or be so divorced from reality that they don't mind helping those who would despise them...

[IJ Reilly]

Interesting theory. I'm finding self-loathing is a more common phenomena than I'd realized. I don't pretend to know what's up with Miss Coulter, but she certainly seems to be dealing with some issues.

[IJ Reilly]

Now, Ann's good buddy Sean says there's no evidence that John Kerry ever saw combat in Vietnam.

http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/hannity-200502150010.mp3

[mactastic]

Now, Ann's good buddy Sean says there's no evidence that John Kerry ever saw combat in Vietnam.

http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/hannity-200502150010.mp3

Well shoot, there's no evidence that Bush ever made it to Alabama for his Guard doody. But THAT doesn't bother Coulter or Hannity a bit now, does it?

[IJ Reilly]

Now that he's been called on it, I expect Sean Baby will claim that he misspoke. Which is a resigning offense, isn't it? Or is that just at CNN?

[pseudobrit]

Well shoot, there's no evidence that Bush ever made it to Alabama for his Guard doody. But THAT doesn't bother Coulter or Hannity a bit now, does it?

Better yet, if you dispute Bush's service they'd call you scum and ask where your proof is that he wasn't there.

[IJ Reilly]

Better yet, if you dispute Bush's service they'd call you scum and ask where your proof is that he wasn't there.

This is so sadly on the mark. Looking into the discussion of this item at MMFA, this is essentially the argument Republican posters are making. They've also apparently completely forgotten that Kerry's participation in combat was never an issue raised even by the Swift Boat liars. Now that Hannity's said it though (maybe even in error), they automatically insist on it being gospel truth. I wish somebody would disabuse me of this thinking, but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's become impossible to hold any kind of rational discussion with a Republican.

[mischief]

This is so sadly on the mark. (snip)

I wish somebody would disabuse me of this thinking, but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's become impossible to hold any kind of rational discussion with a Republican.

I came to that conclusion on september twelfth a couple of years back. I came to similar conclusions about Libertarians, Greens, Independants and the "Peace and Love" sector of the Democtatic Party not long after.

It seems that Americans are, en masse, obsessed with externalizing responsibility for their own role in their culture. It's my hypothesis that given the choice between any sensible datum and a conveniently outsourced piece of propoganda most Americans would choose the propoganda no matter how obvious a lie it is simply because it does not require change or acceptance.

Americans are, in short intellectual and moral cowards who hide behind self-inflicted walls of false-ignorance built on foundations of selective attention, greed and xenophobia.

[absolut_mac]

I wish somebody would disabuse me of this thinking, but I'm beginning to wonder whether it's become impossible to hold any kind of rational discussion with a Republican.

If you think that type of thinking is resticted to Republicans only, then you are out of touch with reality.

As mischief said, I find it impossible to hold a rational discussion with anyone of any party who is close minded or fanatical about their point of view.

In reality, I find Ted Kennedy - Mr. Chappaquidick - a far more deceitful and detestable creature than Ms. Coulter. At least she didn't kill anyone. IMHO it's sad to say that both of them live in their own fantasy world.

[blackfox]

In reality, I find Ted Kennedy - Mr. Chappaquidick - a far more deceitful and detestable creature than Ms. Coulter. At least she didn't kill anyone. IMHO it's sad to say that both of them live in their own fantasy world.
come on now,

It would be one thing if you said I happen to think Ted Kennedy is more detestable/deceitful creature than Ms Coulter because of x and y etc., but the way you phrased your comment with reference to Chappaquidick, but without reference to anything else just makes me want to dismiss your comment out of hand.

In any case, it is pretty hard to beat a pundit in the deceit and detestable depts., even compared to a Senator.

Despite what you might think of Sen. Kennedy the man, he has had a long and distinguished career in Congress and has contributed much to his country. I don't always agree with him, and find his personal life at times to be less-than-stellar, but he is a better man than any pundit, as at least he has contributed something meaningful to society.

[Thomas Veil]

Hear, hear.

I can only add that I don't understand, mischief, why you place Greens and progressive Democrats in the category of people you can't have a rational discussion with.

[absolut_mac]

It would be one thing if you said I happen to think Ted Kennedy is more detestable/deceitful creature than Ms Coulter because of x and y etc., but the way you phrased your comment with reference to Chappaquidick, but without reference to anything else just makes me want to dismiss your comment out of hand.

You mean that Chappaquiddick and the fact that some young girl lost her life at his hands and the fact that he lied about it etc etc, isn't enough???

I don't know about you, but causing the death of another human being is a pretty serious offense in my book. There really aren't too many things much worse than that, except child abuse.

[mactastic]

You mean that Chappaquiddick and the fact that some young girl lost her life at his hands and the fact that he lied about it etc etc, isn't enough???

I don't know about you, but causing the death of another human being is a pretty serious offense in my book. There really aren't too many things much worse than that, except child abuse.

So how do you feel about the murdering thug (http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html) Joe Scarborough? Tat for your tit if that's how you want it.

[IJ Reilly]

Well personally I find Adolph Hitler and Joe Stalin to be far more detestable characters than Ann Coulter. After all, she never sent anyone to a gas chamber or a gulag.

So, am I a Republican yet?

[Xtremehkr]

Laura Bush killed her boyfiend with her car. Surprisingly, no BAC tests were taken. The circumstances are at least as murky as Ted Kennedy's. But the liberal media is not constanly pounding away at the fact that Laura Bush killed her boyfriend at the time. But that would make her absolutely detestable by your standards.

Or, you could say that it is apples and oranges. The whole Chappaquidick thing is constantly reinforced by the like of Limabugh and Hannity. So how reliable are the 'facts'? Bet you haven't investigated the incident yourself have you? When you state that he "killed" someone, are you willing to back that up?

The fact that Coulter lies and slanders the left constantly does not matter because Ted Kennedy had an accident decades ago.

You can't even admit that she is a hired mouthpiece who will use any underhanded tactics she can to try and win popularity for the party of values?

You can see why hypocrisy is becoming such a popular word.

[absolut_mac]

Well personally I find Adolph Hitler and Joe Stalin to be far more detestable characters than Ann Coulter. After all, she never sent anyone to a gas chamber or a gulag.

So, am I a Republican yet?

Quite a ridiculous analogy don't you think?

First off neither Coulter or Kennedy are dictators.

Secondly, according to your logic, one can't be a Republican unless one is a dictator. Or the corollary, one is a dictator if one votes Republican.

Your argument has progressed from the ridiculous to the pathetic, so I'll bow out now, and remember to play nicely with those who choose to stick around.

[mactastic]

Considering your argument was 'well at least my X isn't as bad as your Y' I wouldn't go around calling IJ's arguments pathetic....

[IJ Reilly]

It was a deliberately ludicrous analogy, but I don't suppose there's any point in explaining, since your post was advertised as a hit-and-run.

[Desertrat]

I don't pay much attention to time, or to when minor stuff happens. So I don't really remember when the Fox News Channel started, nor when Ms Coulter began spouting.

I probably have a grand total of maybe a couple of hours, for all the non-straight-news on FNC.

I gather that Ms Coulter is a sort of right-wing Maureen Dowd?

From what I've seen/heard/read of most pundits, they couldn't pour pee out of a boot without a hole in the toe and directions on the heel.

"Americans are, in short intellectual and moral cowards who hide behind self-inflicted walls of false-ignorance built on foundations of selective attention, greed and xenophobia."

Oh, wow! Nothing like a grand, sweeping generalization to provide proof of intellectual competency! I'm impressed! :D:D:D I'll admit to selective attention. See above, "pundits". I pay them somewhere between slim and none. Slim left town.

Oh: What is "false ignorance"?

Greed? Yeah, right. If I'd wanted to be rich, I'd have gotten rich. I just didn't want to do what needs doing, to get rich. Too much time spent hunting and fishing and driving race cars. Getting rich isn't that hard; being free is a lot more difficult--and important.

Xenophobia? Hmmmph. Try being six feet tall and blond, in downtown Manila, Hong Kong, Seoul or Tokyo. That's a pretty good definition of minority. Howsomever, I never felt scared; maybe I'm just too stoopid. Same for the Algerian section of Paris, the waterfront in Marseilles, or along the TexMex border. Aw, well. Smile, sing songs, tell funny stories, people buy beer...

Life is good, pundits or no.

:), 'Rat

[zimv20]

I gather that Ms Coulter is a sort of right-wing Maureen Dowd?

ms dowd is a journalist, ms coulter a pundit. the difference being that ms dowd gets her facts straight.

[Desertrat]

Ah, so. Well, Fred Reed is a journalist; he does pretty well at getting his facts straight. And, like many, he has opinions of other journalists:

http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm

Some snippits:

"It is becoming a constant, like gravity: Maureen Dowd opens her mouth, and I get email from guys saying, “Fred! Geez, man, how much do apartments go for in Guadalajara?”

"Maureen is the resentment columnist for the New York Times. She serves as newsprint megaphone for the angry, selfish, wretchedly unhappy career woman who can’t understand why she is living alone in an apartment with two cats. (I understand the alone part. I question the judgement of the cats.)"

"In a recent column, headed "Men Just Want Mommy," Maureen tells us, “A few years ago at a White House Correspondents' dinner, I met a very beautiful actress. Within moments, she blurted out: ‘I can't believe I'm 46 and not married. Men only want to marry their personal assistants or P.R. women.’""

And, Fred also notes:

"But more of Maureen and the personal assistants. She continues observantly, “I'd been noticing a trend along these lines, as famous and powerful men took up with the young women whose job it was to tend to them and care for them in some way: their secretaries, assistants, nannies, caterers, flight attendants, researchers and fact-checkers.” Men want to marry Mommy, she implies, with forty-weight passive-aggressiveness you could lube a diesel with."

"Actually, what men very much do not want is to marry Mommy. The problem for Maureen is that she is Mommy: censorious, moralizing, self-pitying, endlessly instructive, and so achingly tedious that men find themselves thinking of moldy bath sponges."

One of the things I've always liked about Fred is that he's pretty observant about people, whether left or right. And, about their "messages". Purple prose, of course, but a lot more fun than the maunderings of those with no understanding of people--like Dowd.

:D, 'Rat

[mischief]

"Americans are, in short intellectual and moral cowards who hide behind self-inflicted walls of false-ignorance built on foundations of selective attention, greed and xenophobia."

Oh, wow! Nothing like a grand, sweeping generalization to provide proof of intellectual competency! I'm impressed! :D:D:D :), 'Rat

Nothing quite like broad, sweeping generalizations to bring a swift response from the .01% that's awake, paying attention and appropriately pissed off.

My intellectual competency was not the point. The decay of American culture was the point. You're obviously pissed off by the same phenomenon. Though I note that you're attacking my choice of phrasing rather than doing something about what we both know to be happening. Our friends, Americans, countrimen are consciously blind, deaf and dumb to their own place in how screwed they are. Rather than DO SOMETHING they complain and attack each other over symantics.

How does that make any of us better than Pundits?

[Desertrat]

mischief, modifiers like "some" or "too many" help. With those you'd have had my applause. But I know just way too many folks who don't come anywhere near fitting that description. An overly broad brush on some stuff is aggravating. :)

'Rat

[IJ Reilly]

It most certainly is. :rolleyes: