Boycott on Fried Chicken

[h0e0h]

My 6 o'clock local news just told me that PETA was boycotting Kentucky Fried Chicken and Rev. Al Sharpton has called on African Americans from all over the US to join him in boycotting KFC. Now someone please tell me what is wrong with the world when people have to friggin boycott fried chicken. I mean, come one, you've got to ultimately kill it to eat it... so what does it matter how it's killed and fried? Someone please back me up here with your opinions...

[mactastic]

My 6 o'clock local news just told me that PETA was boycotting Kentucky Fried Chicken and Rev. Al Sharpton has called on African Americans from all over the US to join him in boycotting KFC. Now someone please tell me what is wrong with the world when people have to friggin boycott fried chicken. I mean, come one, you've got to ultimately kill it to eat it... so what does it matter how it's killed and fried? Someone please back me up here with your opinions...
Personally I avoid KFC like the plague anyway... but there was a VERY disturbing video that surfaced from KFCs processing facility that (I believe) is the basis for this boycott.

There's humane killing of animals for food, and there is brutal torture of animals for food. I prefer to patronize places that care about the quality of life (and death) of the animals they feed you.

And none of that means I have anything against a good pile of fried chicken with potatoes and biscuits.

[Peterkro]

As someone who has had the misfortune to do maintainence work in battery farms in the (distant) past there is NO way I'd eat chicken of any sort. :eek:

[Sun Baked]

Personally I avoid KFC like the plague anyway... but there was a VERY disturbing video that surfaced from KFCs processing facility that (I believe) is the basis for this boycott.

There's humane killing of animals for food, and there is brutal torture of animals for food. I prefer to patronize places that care about the quality of life of the animals they feed you.Yes, an old video that forced KFC to take immediate action against one of their suppliers (over 6 months ago.)

Plus it was at a Pilgrim's Pride chicken farm, not KFC.

Of course they'll probably boycott KFC and then buy Pilgrim's Pride products at the grocery store and think nothing of it. :rolleyes:

[mactastic]

Yes, an old video that forced KFC to take immediate action against one of their suppliers.
I don't think it was all that old...

Plus it was a Pilgrim's Pride chicken house, not KFC.
Which happens to be the second largest poulty producer and a top KFC supplier...
Of course they'll probably boycott KFC and then buy Pilgrim's Pride products at the grocery store and think nothing of it. :rolleyes:
ad hominem... :rolleyes:

Edit: So 6 month old video is too old to do anything about?

[Sun Baked]

I don't think it was all that old...Posted 7/20/2004 8:29 AM Updated 7/20/2004 3:18 PM

PETA video shows chicken abuse at KFC supplier

NEW YORK (AP) — An investigator for an animal rights group captured video showing chickens being kicked, stomped and thrown against a wall by workers at a supplier for KFC, which has been under pressure since last year over the treatment of animals.

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Which came from a PETA worker who was there from October 2003 - May 2004

Edit: And KFC took immediate action, but they didn't stop buying from Pilgrim's Pride -- just products from the plant PETA had a problem with. I'm sure if PETA got more info on Pilgrim's Pride, KFC might shift to another supplier.

[mactastic]

So?
If I showed you a video of an employee of yours stealing moeny from the till, but it was 2-3 years old, would you assume the behavior had changed, or would you want to take some action?

[Sun Baked]

So?It's old news, PETA's pissed that nobody went to jail -- they probably got fired and the plant put under new management.

[CorvusCamenarum]

PETA boycotting anything is about like the Southern Baptists when they tried to boycott Disney. I'm all for it because it means less people in line in front of me.

[mactastic]

Is PETA not free to boycott whoever they want, for however asinine a reason?

[clayj]

While I basically consider PETA to be just a hair shy of being a terrorist organization, their point about humane slaughter of livestock does deserve some consideration. Al Sharpton, on the other hand, is just plain loco.

Personally, I don't go to KFC because here in North Carolina, we have a much better alternative... Bojangles. :)

[h0e0h]

the point i was trying to instill is not that they can't boycott... it was that it seems that PETA is ALWAYS boycotting for stupid crap... I mean, they boycotted PETCO for some unknown reason, now KFC... come on people, if you don't like the fact that they're killing chickens so we can consume them... then go to some burger joint... but im sure you'll see PETA after them next, cause they mistreated a cow or something...

[Peterkro]

the point i was trying to instill is not that they can't boycott... it was that it seems that PETA is ALWAYS boycotting for stupid crap... I mean, they boycotted PETCO for some unknown reason, now KFC... come on people, if you don't like the fact that they're killing chickens so we can consume them... then go to some burger joint... but im sure you'll see PETA after them next, cause they mistreated a cow or something...
Just in,cannibalism no longer thought to normal behaviour by lots of people(circa 13th century).

[mactastic]

come on people, if you don't like the fact that they're killing chickens so we can consume them...
That's not the issue. The issue is humane slaughter.

[PlaceofDis]

meh, i dont like KFC all that much anyways, i tend to stay away from fast food, but i am addicted to TacoBell, darn them

[clayj]

the point i was trying to instill is not that they can't boycott... it was that it seems that PETA is ALWAYS boycotting for stupid crap... I mean, they boycotted PETCO for some unknown reason, now KFC... come on people, if you don't like the fact that they're killing chickens so we can consume them... then go to some burger joint... but im sure you'll see PETA after them next, cause they mistreated a cow or something...Well, the main problem with PETA (and it's a biggie) is that they insist on conferring the same rights to ANIMALS that are normally reserved for HUMANS. Their organization's name, "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals", is inaccurate right out of the gate; they really should call it "People for the EQUAL Treatment of Animals".

The problem is, animals are not our equal. Sure, we should treat them with a certain amount of respect, but a lot of them are our food. Others are pests to be controlled or eliminated, and others just live wild. PETA would have everyone be vegans (not that there's anything wrong with being vegan, but it should be a CHOICE), and would have the animals running amok with no controls imposed on them by humans.

They do have the right to boycott anyone they want... but in my opinion, they are a bunch of hypocrites and crazies who should be watched closely.

[Peterkro]

That's not the issue. The issue is humane slaughter. You don't think that humane slaughter is a oxymoron like military intelligence. :confused:

[h0e0h]

meh, i dont like KFC all that much anyways, i tend to stay away from fast food, but i am addicted to TacoBell, darn them

This is kinda off topic, but maybe you should file suit... it works for everyone else... hey, maybe that's what should happen, someone should file suit against KFC on behalf of PETA... maybe then we'll close down every fast food chain unless they serve tofu... then someone can file suit against them because they are entirely too friendly to animals...

[aloofman]

The silly part is that KFC gets its chickens from the same sources that every other restaurant chain does: industrial chicken farms. KFC chickens are no worse off (or better) than anyone else's. Unless you have some reasonable assurance that the chicken you're eating was free range or you raised and killed it yourself, you can assume that the chicken led a pretty miserable life. So PETA/Sharpton coalition should be boycotting chicken from ALL restaurants, not just KFC. Can't have it both ways.

[mactastic]

You don't think that humane slaughter is a oxymoron like military intelligence. :confused:

No I do not. I am a meat eater, and have no moral problems with it when it's done right. I do object to inflicting needless suffering though.

When people post stories here about someone abusing a dog everyone responds with 'lock that guy up' all the way to 'death penalty' comments. Yet when it's a chicken suddenly no one cares about the suffering. And yes, I realize chickens are stupid animals with little personality or redeeming qualities such as a dog has, but I still feel that needless suffering is uncalled for.

[PlaceofDis]

No I do not. I am a meat eater, and have no moral problems with it when it's done right. I do object to inflicting needless suffering though.

When people post stories here about someone abusing a dog everyone responds with 'lock that guy up' all the way to 'death penalty' comments. Yet when it's a chicken suddenly no one cares about the suffering. And yes, I realize chickens are stupid animals with little personality or redeeming qualities such as a dog has, but I still feel that needless suffering is uncalled for.

i totally agree, but i think you can find redeeming qualities in just about anything, the good thing about chicken is what we use it for, but there is no reason at all to cause pain and suffering to the animal when it is not needed

[joepunk]

Even though KFC is just a buyer of the meats from the slaughterhouse, why would PETA choose to stage a boycott of KFC? A higher degree of visibility IMO.

But, here is where I stand. KFC is just a buyer, if there was a connection and if some KFC person knew about the treatment, then yes, there is a definite logical reason for the boycott and I would support them (though not on the picket line mind you). No connection, no real reason to boycott a fast food chain, just the supplier (but you won't get on the 6 o'clock news).

[musicpyrite]

First of all, I'm not a big fan of fried chicken but this is rediculous. It's a freakin chicken. Children all over the world are being raped, abused and murdered for things like their religion or race.

And all some people can think about is chicken. :confused:

I'm not saying that a chicken is more important than a human being, rather, I'm saying that there are more pressing matters at hand.... oh what's that you say? the war? wtf? I think people would care more that, or the civil war in Somalia or some other genocide.

And all chicken is basically the same. How can you single out KFC?

I don't see people boycotting bacon or Lucky Charms, why chicken?

Al Sharpton has called on African Americans from all over the US to join him in boycotting KFC.
wtf again? First of all, why is Mr Sharpton calling African Americans? He should be calling on *all* people. no offense to African Americans but I can't stop thinking of all the jokes Dave Chappelle has made about blacks loving chicken. :D

[Sun Baked]

wtf again? First of all, why is Mr Sharpton calling African Americans? He should be calling on *all* people. no offense to African Americans but I can't stop thinking of all the jokes Dave Chappelle has made about blacks loving chicken. :DAre you sure KFC is the most popular fried chicken amongst this population?

Sort of like telling rednecks not to drink beer, it's not going to happen.

But if you tell rednecks not to drink Zima or Guinness, it's sort of pointless -- but sure makes you feel better.

Anything that keeps PETA entertained so I can eat fried chicken in peace. ;)

[pseudobrit]

the point i was trying to instill is not that they can't boycott... it was that it seems that PETA is ALWAYS boycotting for stupid crap... I mean, they boycotted PETCO for some unknown reason, now KFC... come on people, if you don't like the fact that they're killing chickens so we can consume them... then go to some burger joint... but im sure you'll see PETA after them next, cause they mistreated a cow or something...

So just eat KFC and don't bother starting a stupid thread telling us why PETA's stupid boycott is stupid.

Then I won't have to be stupid by yelling at you for starting stupid threads.

Of course, the real question should be: who among us who values our health eats fast food regularly anyway?

There would be none of these filthy, diseased, cruel factory farms if the population weren't teeming with disgusting, foolish gluttons who line up daily to stuff their fat faces full of pure fried crap and then complain how fat they are.

[Dutch13]

What I think is the most interesting post is the one from the person who used to work at a battery farm (where the chickens are raised). His short post said volumes. You should think about what he knows that keeps him from eating chicken.
If you don't care about the humane treatment of animals perhaps you would care about what you are putting in your mouth everytime you wrap your lips around a piece of factory farm raised chicken. I just learned about that recently, and I will never again step foot in a KFC or any other chicken joint for that matter (at least not for the food). What you are eating is raised in the dark, living in feces, crammed into wire cages so that they have about as much room to move around in as if they were in a shoe box. Only they are not alone, they are crammed in there with several other chickens. These conditions cause them to peck at each other. Sometimes their feet are so injured that they grow around the wire mesh in the bottom of their cages. They are fed food that is partially made from refined feces. They get sick a lot under these conditions so they are given antibiotics. All of this makes it's way into what you eat. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. If you saw your chicken before it is "processed", you would realize what you are eating is really more of a frankenchicken that doesn't resemble what you probably imagine a chicken to be.

[musicpyrite]

Are you sure KFC is the most popular fried chicken amongst this population?

I don't know if it's KFC or fried chicken in particular... but Mr Chappelle was just referring to chicken in general.... I love some of his jokes, great way to relax.... :D

[h0e0h]

wtf again? First of all, why is Mr Sharpton calling African Americans? He should be calling on *all* people. no offense to African Americans but I can't stop thinking of all the jokes Dave Chappelle has made about blacks loving chicken. :D

let's put it this way... if Al Sharpton told me something, i'd be like... crap... why don't you try and run for public office again... I mean, it could be anyone calling on people who are naturally going to listen to them more, like Mr. Shaprton calling on African Americans. I mean... if David Duke told white people to stop drinkin budwiser because they don't brew them correctly... they'd listen to him...

And this has nothing to do with PETA's actions, its the principle that they do stupid crap... and if this thread was so stupid then why would so many people be commenting on them...

[mpw]

...I am a meat eater [and] object to inflicting needless suffering....
...I realize chickens are stupid animals with little personality or redeeming qualities such as a dog has....

I'm also a meat-eater who would prefer that the animal that becomes my food does so with the least suffering. I often meet vegetarians who try to convert those around them because of the suffering to the animals but when asked many eat fish. Born wild, never know captivity and scooped from the ocean to die slowly on ice!

While I am against making chickens suffer and wouldn't suggest anyone try this at home......I once read that chickens can't digest orange peel and it passes through them really quickly. If you tie catgut to a piece of orange peel and feed it to a chicken, wait for it to pass and then feed it to another and so on and so on you end up with a row of chickens on a string. Now tell me that for entertainment alone that's not a redeeming feature of chickens! :o

[Apple Hobo]

I once read that chickens can't digest orange peel and it passes through them really quickly. If you tie catgut to a piece of orange peel and feed it to a chicken, wait for it to pass and then feed it to another and so on and so on you end up with a row of chickens on a string. Now tell me that for entertainment alone that's not a redeeming feature of chickens! :o

That's one hell of a strange image. http://bellsouthpwp.net/g/s/gserv2/gifs/lol.gif

[Sun Baked]

...There would be none of these filthy, diseased, cruel factory farms if the population weren't teeming with disgusting, foolish gluttons who line up daily to stuff their fat faces full of pure fried crap and then complain how fat they are.I have no problem with PETA talking about chicken farms as cruel and disgusting places, but saying "KFC Tortures Animals"...

KFC addressed the compaints from a year ago for the chicken tossing and stomping, but PETA needs to lobby to get the standards for their suppliers raised -- which is the problem.

Of course if that happened, KFC would just import chicken.

[pseudobrit]

let's put it this way... if Al Sharpton told me something, i'd be like... crap... why don't you try and run for public office again... I mean, it could be anyone calling on people who are naturally going to listen to them more, like Mr. Shaprton calling on African Americans. I mean... if David Duke told white people to stop drinkin budwiser because they don't brew them correctly... they'd listen to him...

And this has nothing to do with PETA's actions, its the principle that they do stupid crap... and if this thread was so stupid then why would so many people be commenting on them...

I dunno. Maybe the same reason so many people tune into pro wrestling.

I'm gonna go try and recover from the ellipse overdose now...

[Dutch13]

what the hell's with all the kfc and chicken ads by google on the bottom of this thread. now that is just queer!

[Littleodie914]

meh, i dont like KFC all that much anyways, i tend to stay away from fast food, but i am addicted to TacoBell, darn themHaha no kidding... We don't have a KFC close enough to drive to every time I want some chicken, so when we drive to school in the afternoon, we almost always stop at Taco Bell... It's insane how addicting the food there is... Does anyone know how healthy/unhealthy it is? And not talking about like... The gondoza-sized double decker mexican pizzas or anything, but like a taco or enchilada. I know it isn't as bad as say... McDonalds or anything, but it's just a taco shell, lettuce, cheese and meat.

[Peterkro]

what the hell's with all the kfc and chicken ads by google on the bottom of this thread. now that is just queer!
You gotta love Google ads,talk about freedom and they'll come up with Smith&Wesson. :)

[Cybernanga]

LOL, I got 2 ads for poultry suppliers, 1 for breast enlargement, and 1 for push-up bra's.

I didn't quite make the connection at first, but now I get it :p

[stubeeef]

My 6 o'clock local news just told me that PETA was boycotting Kentucky Fried Chicken and Rev. Al Sharpton has called on African Americans from all over the US to join him in boycotting KFC. Now someone please tell me what is wrong with the world when people have to friggin boycott fried chicken. I mean, come one, you've got to ultimately kill it to eat it... so what does it matter how it's killed and fried? Someone please back me up here with your opinions...

Yes it is nutz. But of course the finer points of lunacy must be debated by some so as to lend it credability.

PETA has gone of the edge so many times they are a joke.

Don't worry too much, some people yell stupidly, thanks for the thread.

[h0e0h]

yeh, some people are really friggin dumb... like PETA and that other guy... oh well, i still thought it was funny that Al Sharpton was asking people to boycott chicken... especially african american people... i mean, i really hate to make race an issue, but that's kinda anti-stereotypical isn't it... well at least for me, being from the south and all...

[stubeeef]

yeh, some people are really friggin dumb... like PETA and that other guy... oh well, i still thought it was funny that Al Sharpton was asking people to boycott chicken... especially african american people... i mean, i really hate to make race an issue, but that's kinda anti-stereotypical isn't it... well at least for me, being from the south and all...

The Al Sharpton thing is the biggest part of the story. PeTA is so nutz, that something that made sense coming from them would be a big story.

Al on the other hand has basically said "do as I say, not as I do" to about every racial argument he can ever make. (don't throw stones at me - I know there are a lot of valid racial problems in search of answers, but when one of the leaders of the African-American community comes up and out with this sort of statement, you just have to say he's crazy)

[chanoc]

You don't think that humane slaughter is a oxymoron like military intelligence. :confused:

And some more:

link (http://www.oxymoronlist.com/)

I do not go to KFC, so I have no subjective opinion of this operation. So what happens when they propose a ban on fruits and vegetables because forests are clear-cut to provide farming land for crops? :eek:

[Xtremehkr]

I've been boycotting them for years, nothing compares to El Pollo Loco! Even Charo Chicken is better than KFC.

It's too bad the Taco Bell fans don't have access to Del Taco. Yum.

P.S.

So what happens when they propose a ban on fruits and vegetables because forests are clear-cut to provide farming land for crops?

You cannot be serious.

[Chappers]

And yes, I realize chickens are stupid animals with little personality or redeeming qualities such as a dog has, but I still feel that needless suffering is uncalled for.

Don't underestimate the chicken - I met this man who had a chicken as a pet. Now this chicken was friends with a dog and they would go and visit each other, sometimes they would even go out for the day. Now I was sceptical until one day the dog turned up and the chicken went off with him. The man didn't know where they went except sometimes they visited the dogs owner, who was equally confused by their relationship. Usually they would just spend the long hot days watching the world go by.

[Dutch13]

Haha no kidding... We don't have a KFC close enough to drive to every time I want some chicken, so when we drive to school in the afternoon, we almost always stop at Taco Bell... It's insane how addicting the food there is... Does anyone know how healthy/unhealthy it is?

A good part of ground fast food meat comes from spent dairy cows, who have been bred and raised with antibiotics and possibly hormones to produce milk--after five or so years of producing unnaturally large amounts of milk, their flesh is too tough and old for whole cuts, so it's ground up. Also don't be surprised if sick or injured cattle that are barely alive end up in that mix. I don't know about you, but the idea of eating sick or old stringy grandma cows just makes that taco or burger seem unappealing to me. Maybe that's why fast food hamburgers always taste different from hamburgers made at home.

[indifference]

hey, I believe we should avoid all fast food in general.

[pseudobrit]

True story (and pertinent!):

A friend and I were checking out a soon-to-be finished ice hockey complex outside the city one day. We hear a noise and turn aroudn to see a little black kid chasing a chicken down the street.

The chicken then took flight and got enough altitude to land on the roof of said ice rink. I looked at my friend and said,

"I didn't think chickens could fly."

"Me neither," he replied.

It then struck me that I had just witnessed a genuine punchline-less racist joke come to life.

[apple2991]

For those of us who read, this really isn't too hard to understand.

Article, with link to the abuse video. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2004-07-20-chickens_x.htm)

As far as why Al Sharpton is involved, PETA has been waging a campaign against KFC for two years. The organization was eager to enlist Mr. Sharpton because KFC has many stores in largely black neighborhoods and in late 2003 KFC executives told investors they were making an increased effort to market to blacks. That is, according to this New York Times article. (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/health/article-page.html?res=9906EFD7123BF931A35751C0A9639C8B63)

Anyone who claims that PETA's protesting and boycotting of the fast food company variety is due to insanity is not only weak for not looking into an argument fully and dismissing that which they do not understand as insane. It is easier to name-call than to form a well-founded argument, for one side or the other. PETA certainly has done some things I disagree with over the years, but their history of action against fast-food chains has been mostly justified. For example, anyone remember PETA's "Unhappy Meal" campaign a few years back? The end result they wanted from that campaign, and the result they received, was only for McDonald's (who buys about 1 out of every 20 eggs in the United States) to buy eggs from farms with decent water amounts, some fresh air, and more room in the cages for wings allotted for chickens.

PETA or not, anyone who defends or denies fast-food companies (mis)treatment of animals has some serious learning to do.

[LimitedEdition]

I have nothing against killing animals for food, but it should always be done as humanely as possible. Also, I'm sure fried chicken is not bad for you in moderation.

[indifference]

yea but you will always like it, you will eat and eat it once you start you can't stop

[Peterkro]

I do not go to KFC, so I have no subjective opinion of this operation. So what happens when they propose a ban on fruits and vegetables because forests are clear-cut to provide farming land for crops? :eek:

Vegetable and grain crops generally are 5 times more efficent at land use than meat production,so more grain and less meat equals more land.

[MongoTheGeek]

When I heard of the PeTA (Why they lower case the e for ethical, I'll never understand) boycott of KFC. I did the only rational thing. I went out and got me some fried chicken. I love it. Not quite the way mom used to make but close.

As for KFC targeting blacks... probably because they are facing stiff competition from Popeye's. You can't really expect black people to flock to the image of a white plantation owner. :) Never mind the Harlan Sanders probably got the worst commercial screwing in history.

All life depends on destroying other life. Some day I want to get together a bunch of friends and stage a protest at a vegan restaurant shouting "Soy is murder" and throwing green paint on people.

[iGav]

Children all over the world are being raped, abused and murdered for things like their religion or race.

Reminds me of that DR/Amnesty ad/poster from a few years ago..

"There are believed to be tens of thousands of people in up to 120 countries, detained or imprisoned simply because of their personal beliefs, ethnic origin, sex, colour or language.

People just like you infact.

While you are reading this, someone, another human being, somewhere, is being tortured, perhaps even killed by order of their own government or with it's complicity.

But please remember, a puppy is not just for christmas."

[relimw]

That's not the issue. The issue is humane slaughter.

Ok, now isn't that an oxymoron? :eek:

Once the chicken is dead, who cares? I really don't think the chicken is going to sue you...

And for you veggie people, how can you possibly murder a poor defenseless plant, that doesn't even have the remotest possibility of running away?!?
:rolleyes:

[relimw]

If you tie catgut to a piece of orange peel and feed it to a chicken, wait for it to pass and then feed it to another and so on and so on you end up with a row of chickens on a string. Now tell me that for entertainment alone that's not a redeeming feature of chickens! :o

LOL, that's funny, and quite demented....

[apple2991]

Ok, now isn't that an oxymoron?

No, it isn't. Would you rather have you, your parents, your dog, cat, horse, or whatever other kind of animal be killed by being beaten, stabbed by needles, and attacked with screwdrivers, or would you rather have them receive quick and painless head trauma or some other painless--or LESS painful--form of death?

Once the chicken is dead, who cares? I really don't think the chicken is going to sue you...

You think animals suing people is what this is about? This is about common decency and not abusing or allowing others to needlessly abuse things around us. Eating a chicken is fine, why senselessly agonize it's life for that purpose? If we CAN treat them better (which, if you watch the video I posted earlier, you know is easy to do), why not?

It's not about the fact that chickens have to get murdered. Watch that video. The whole thing. Because that is what this thread is about.


And for you veggie people, how can you possibly murder a poor defenseless plant, that doesn't even have the remotest possibility of running away?!?
:rolleyes:

See: Brain. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=brain)
See also: Sentience. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sentience)

[clayj]

Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but the Beastie Boys have joined Al Sharpton's call for a boycott of KFC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6908972/).

Ohhhhhh-kay.

[relimw]

No, it isn't. Would you rather have you, your parents, your dog, cat, horse, or whatever other kind of animal be killed by being beaten, stabbed by needles, and attacked with screwdrivers, or would you rather have them receive quick and painless head trauma or some other painless--or LESS painful--form of death?

Last I checked we were talking about animals that were enslaved before birth to become food, not about your momma.


This is about common decency and not abusing or allowing others to needlessly abuse things around us. Eating a chicken is fine, why senselessly agonize it's life for that purpose? If we CAN treat them better (which, if you watch the video I posted earlier, you know is easy to do), why not?

I'm sorry, but the chicken's sole purpose is to be fattened and then killed. Which all occurs in a whopping 49 days after they hatch. Look, if you want a chicken to live out to be a ripe old age of seven, feel free to go buy your own chicken, boycott KFC, and eat all the veggies you want.


See: Brain. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=brain)
See also: Sentience. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sentience)


I think I'd best leave this part alone, before I say something not to pleasant...

[mactastic]

Ok, now isn't that an oxymoron? :eek:

Once the chicken is dead, who cares? I really don't think the chicken is going to sue you...

Good lord... you missed the point entirely. It's not about 'once the chicken is dead'. It's about the time leading up to its death. And believe me, I'm not worried about a chicken suing anyone, alive or dead. :rolleyes:

[Dutch13]

yeh, some people are really friggin dumb... like PETA and that other guy...

Oh the irony... From these posts it's clear that the feeble minded find it far easier to hate and condemn than to educate themselves with facts so that they actually understand the issues they are being so vocal about.

[Littleodie914]

A good part of ground fast food meat comes from spent dairy cows, who have been bred and raised with antibiotics and possibly hormones to produce milk--after five or so years of producing unnaturally large amounts of milk, their flesh is too tough and old for whole cuts, so it's ground up. Also don't be surprised if sick or injured cattle that are barely alive end up in that mix. I don't know about you, but the idea of eating sick or old stringy grandma cows just makes that taco or burger seem unappealing to me. Maybe that's why fast food hamburgers always taste different from hamburgers made at home.Hmm... That is pretty gross... I'd kinda like to know the real story though. I mean ya know about McDonalds being gross and what-not, but you can tell just by eating the food. You feel greasy, bloated, and disgusting afterwards. I don't get that feeling from taco bell, which is why my friends and I ate there. We felt like we were getting a cheap yet semi-healthy meal. I might have to do some research on that... If it really is as bad as you describe it, we'll be spending an extra dollar or two every day to eat at Subway, period.

[Dutch13]

Hmm... That is pretty gross... I'd kinda like to know the real story though. .

If you want to learn more about that, check out Mad Cowboy by Howard Lyman. It's a pretty good read. He was a cattle farmer, so he knows about those things first hand.
There are also a couple books by Erik Marcus that deal with that.
And if you prefer movies, check out Peaceable Kingdom if you get the chance to. Here's a link to a list of free screenings:
http://www.tribeofheart.com/calendar/calendar.htm

[wdlove]

As someone who has had the misfortune to do maintenance work in battery farms in the (distant) past there is NO way I'd eat chicken of any sort. :eek:

From what I've read and heard, your comment would apply to all types of meat. The process of preparing animals for slaughter isn't appealing to view. It all depends on tolerance level.

[toaster_oven]

the natural history of the chicken:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/chicken.shtml

after watching the factory scenes, i now only buy free-range. great documentary, though.

[apple2991]

Last I checked we were talking about animals that were enslaved before birth to become food, not about your momma.


Last time I checked we were talking about an animal, although not in my nuclear family, still has a somewhat developed brain and pain-receptors.

I'm sorry, but the chicken's sole purpose is to be fattened and then killed. Which all occurs in a whopping 49 days after they hatch. Look, if you want a chicken to live out to be a ripe old age of seven, feel free to go buy your own chicken, boycott KFC, and eat all the veggies you want.

Please try and keep up. We were not talking about whether or not the chicken is going to die--that much is obvious. The only thing in question here are those "49 days" leading up to the death. There is simply no reason not to avoid beating chickens, stomping on them, ripping their beaks off, spitting chewing tobacco in their faces, etc. while they are still alive. This falls into the category we (and by we I mean "the law") calls cruelty. I am not saying don't kill the chicken, I'm saying why needlessly put it through excessive amounts of abuse just because it is to be killed?

And me having my own chicken would do nothing to curb the abuse of other farms.

I am sorry you thought the links to the words "brain" and "sentience" were related to you. It was not meant as an insult, but two words to consider when discussing the issue of animals. That is, just how much of a brain a chicken has, etc.

[relimw]

I am sorry you thought the links to the words "brain" and "sentience" were related to you. It was not meant as an insult, but two words to consider when discussing the issue of animals.

Hmm, I wasn't implying that I thought it was an insult against me...

Maybe I should stick more smiley faces in or something when I'm making fun of you.

(Sits down to a big bucket of KFC and thumbs his nose at you) :p
Gawd, I just love it when people tenderize my chicken for me....

[virividox]

i want my chicken...whatever dead is dead meat is meat

[Greenpants]

An animal that gives it's life so you can eat it deserves a little respect.

I wonder if any of the posters that don't seem to care about proper animal treatment have ever killed one?

[pseudobrit]

I wonder if any of the posters that don't seem to care about proper animal treatment have ever killed one?

I'm somewhat of a Penna. farm kid, and I wonder if they've ever been around animals other than family pets, if that.

I also wonder if they'd object to this cruelty if it were dogs and cats instead of chickens.

[Sun Baked]

If chickens are such problematic food animals to raise, we could always switch to eating at the nearest Kentucky Fried Rabbit outlet.

They're cute, cuddly and tasty. ;)

And thing of the awsome marketing potential for Easter.

[pseudobrit]

If chickens are such problematic food animals to raise, we could always switch to eating at the nearest Kentucky Fried Rabbit outlet.

They're cute, cuddly and tasty. ;)

And thing of the awsome marketing potential for Easter.

Rabbit meat has little nutritional value, and those eggs they lay are pure sugar & fat!

[Black&Tan]

So PETA/Sharpton coalition should be boycotting chicken from ALL restaurants, not just KFC. Can't have it both ways.

So, did PETA and Sharpton attempt to "shake down" KFC? If you don't give us $xxx, then we will bring you a world of hurt?

Then again, what is the good Reverend Al Sharpton a reverend of?

[Black&Tan]

What you are eating is raised in the dark, living in feces, crammed into wire cages so that they have about as much room to move around in as if they were in a shoe box. Only they are not alone, they are crammed in there with several other chickens. These conditions cause them to peck at each other. Sometimes their feet are so injured that they grow around the wire mesh in the bottom of their cages. They are fed food that is partially made from refined feces. They get sick a lot under these conditions so they are given antibiotics.

I went to China a few years back and went to a local open air market. A vendor had brought a few dozen chickens..they were caged in cubes made of wire mesh, about 1 foot square. There were usually 1 or 2 chickens in each. However, the cages were stacked on top of each other, so whatever feces the upper chickens released, fell through the mesh floors onto the chickens below. I would not want to be the one who bought the chickens on the bottom layer.

Then again, have you ever seen a freshly laid chicken egg? Covered in crap, not a pleasant sight. Does anyone ever think "where" eggs come from?

Think about your daily milk intake. It comes from cows who are kept pregnant for life, to keep producing milk for you to drink.

Food for thought....

[apple2991]

Hmm, I wasn't implying that I thought it was an insult against me...

Maybe I should stick more smiley faces in or something when I'm making fun of you.

(Sits down to a big bucket of KFC and thumbs his nose at you) :p
Gawd, I just love it when people tenderize my chicken for me....

Way to completely avoid responding to every point I raised. But hey, evasive ignorance is cool, too.

[Dutch13]

Then again, have you ever seen a freshly laid chicken egg? Covered in crap, not a pleasant sight. Does anyone ever think "where" eggs come from?

Think about your daily milk intake. It comes from cows who are kept pregnant for life, to keep producing milk for you to drink.


All true, and worth thinking about. I think we should all at least learn about what goes on behind the scenes with our food and then make a decision that suits us. Maybe it's supporting the boycott of KFC to try to influence the abuses by the poultry suppliers, maybe it's not eating any chicken because you are bothered by battery cages, maybe it's becoming a vegetarian because you also care about other animals , maybe it's becoming a vegan because you think factory farming is wrong. Maybe you care about your health or the environmental impact of meat production. Whatever the motivation, and to whatever the degree we choose to get involved, at least it's something.

To those who think it is inconsistent to only go part way, like the guy who complained about vegetarians who eat fish, or PETA only boycotting KFC and not others--as Emerson said, "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". It's better to do what you can than to be paralyzed into inaction by detractors.

Regarding PETA...from the little I know about them, it was started by a guy who was outraged by the abuses to research monkeys in a lab in Maryland. He exposed this to the media which led to a conviction against the lab. One man following his heart and standing up for what he believed in. How is that "insane"? Even what they do today seems pretty savvy to me. We live in a McLuhanean society where media defines our reality. Media is driven by scandal, violence, sex, and celebrity. Corporations have the deep pockets to influence through lobbys, so PETA is just using what they have access to--the media. What some call insane is what provides them with a platform to deliver thier message, which if you examine carefully, is usually well thought out and reasonable. Pretty clever if you ask me.

[neut]

we are what we eat ... be kind to animals; including yourself.

pet a chicken.

if a chicken had hands would it pet you instead of peck you? :)


peace.

[mpw]

...To those who think it is inconsistent to only go part way, like the guy who complained about vegetarians who eat fish, or PETA only boycotting KFC and not others--as Emerson said, "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". It's better to do what you can than to be paralyzed into inaction by detractors...

I don't know if you're aiming that comment at me...

...I often meet vegetarians who try to convert those around them because of the suffering to the animals but when asked many eat fish. Born wild, never know captivity and scooped from the ocean to die slowly on ice!...

...but if you are you should note that I don't have a problem with people having beliefs or that they 'only' do what they can. I have a problem with someone telling me I should not eat meat because it's wrong and then for them to sit down to a steak. Sure do what you can but unless you're near perfect in that area don't tell me I'm wrong only doing what I can.

[mpw]

...if a chicken had hands would it pet you instead of peck you? :)...

If chickens were 10x bigger and could operate deep fat fryers and humans weren't capable of organised resistance who would boycott KFH?

It's just cruel Mother Nature.

"Bird gotta eat, fish gotta swim." - Nigel from Finding Nemo

[neut]

If chickens were 10x bigger and could operate deep fat fryers and humans weren't capable of organised resistance who would boycott KFH?

It's just cruel Mother Nature.

"Bird gotta eat, fish gotta swim." - Nigel from Finding Nemo

i don't even think chikens would eat us ... ever try modern human meat? they certain wouldn't invent a stupid machine to 'cook' us.

cannibalism had it's time; taking someone's spirit now only means you've adopted their demons.

what are you adopting when you eat?


peace.

[aloofman]

So, did PETA and Sharpton attempt to "shake down" KFC? If you don't give us $xxx, then we will bring you a world of hurt?

Then again, what is the good Reverend Al Sharpton a reverend of?

That's pretty much what Jesse Jackson does to companies he accuses of racial discrimination. He stops harassing them when they agree to funnel business to his friends.

[joetronic]

the point i was trying to instill is not that they can't boycott... it was that it seems that PETA is ALWAYS boycotting for stupid crap... I mean, they boycotted PETCO for some unknown reason, now KFC... come on people, if you don't like the fact that they're killing chickens so we can consume them... then go to some burger joint... but im sure you'll see PETA after them next, cause they mistreated a cow or something...


They boycotted PETCO for a very very good reason, take a look at this (www.petcocruelty.com/)

And yes, I am a member of PETA, but I am not "just shy of being a terrorist" like someone earlier said. Yes we do have some members that are a little extreme, but you can't judge all pots becuase one came out of the box cracked now can you.

okay, thats all the political mumbo-jumbo you'll get out of me, I promise ;)

[Sun Baked]

Yes we do have some members that are a little extreme, but you can't judge all pots becuase one came out of the box cracked now can you.All depends, if the box was in mint condition -- then the cracked pot usually means all the pots are defective, or the organization packing the pots is doing a bad job.

So they are all future cracked pots, or badly package cracked pots.

[joetronic]

All depends, if the box was in mint condition -- then the cracked pot usually means all the pots are defective, or the organization packing the pots is doing a bad job.

So they are all future cracked pots, or badly package cracked pots.


So... your saying that if one person with certain beliefs or values is a certain way, or acts on those beliefs in a certain fashion, that all people with those beliefs or values act in that certain fashion as well. I seem to recall a "certain" group of people that thought that same way back in the late 30's and early 40's.....

[phreakout13]

I'm a vegitarian, so my friend's family got me this as a gift:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/hamhocks/DSCN1359.jpg
I thought it was pretty funny, but in reality, what KFC is supporting by selling this chicken is absoulutely wrong, and must be stopped immediately.

[Sun Baked]

So... your saying that if one person with certain beliefs or values is a certain way, or acts on those beliefs in a certain fashion, that all people with those beliefs or values act in that certain fashion as well. I seem to recall a "certain" group of people that thought that same way back in the late 30's and early 40's.....Who said anything about people, I was talking about pots... if you are comparing pots to people, then it's a bad example.

Pots are something that CAN be judged soley by the condition of one pot, if you get one that absolute crap, it's doubtful your going to go back for a whole set of them.

So using the pot comparison is something that just went up in smoke.

[Rower_CPU]

Play nice, folks. Inflammatory posts have been removed and those who've broken the rules are on a time out.

[latergator116]

Ok, now isn't that an oxymoron? :eek:

Once the chicken is dead, who cares? I really don't think the chicken is going to sue you...

And for you veggie people, how can you possibly murder a poor defenseless plant, that doesn't even have the remotest possibility of running away?!?
:rolleyes:

Your reasoning is a little screwed up here. I don't think PeTA, or anyone else for that matter, cares how the animal is treated AFTER it is dead. PeTA wants to enure the animal dies quickly so it doesn't have to suffer.

As for the the veggie comment, you can't be serious? If you have ever taken a course in simple Biology, you probably would have found out plants don't have a brain, feelings, central nervous system, etc. Of course, you could also use your common sense.

[neut]

As for the the veggie comment, you can't be serious? If you have ever taken a course in simple Biology, you probably would have found out plants don't have a brain, feelings, central nervous system, etc. Of course, you could also use your common sense.

even a scientist will admit that consciousness is not found in any of those parts of the body. no one can say for certain that a plant does not have consciousness. and for that matter any living organism ... perhaps anything?


peace.

[Xtremehkr]

Is it ok to be unecessarily cruel to living things or is it not?

Even if you are just going to eat the creature in the end, does that mean that it should lead a tortured existence?

Whatever the end result, do you or do you not support the mistreatment of a life.

I guess that is what it comes down to. You either respect life as a whole, or you make distinctions between what life ought to be treated with respect and what life is worthy of torture.

And when the mistreatment is such an unecessary part of the process, why do you defend it?

Why is it ok to torture anything? Even if it is going to be eaten anyway. Why defend what is basically uneeded cruelty, what is it in you that sanctions such behaviour.

[latergator116]

even a scientist will admit that consciousness is not found in any of those parts of the body. no one can say for certain that a plant does not have consciousness. and for that matter any living organism ... perhaps anything?


peace.

Well, I guess consciousness can be interpreted in many different ways. You could say that they are conscious since they are able to respond to light and water. But plants are not able to feel pain, have feelings, etc.

[pseudobrit]

Let me just elucidate a bit.

I'm not a PETA person. I'm not a vegetarian and I don't want to be one. I don't think PETA boycotting things does a whole lot of good.

I'm frustrated by PETA bashing because PETA bashing is like making fun of Special Olympians. It's a noble cause with feeble results.

But an ineffective noble cause is a noble cause nonetheless and should be commended for its levels of honesty and principle. The people at PETA really do care about animals and the humane treatment thereof.

They may seem misguided at times, but so is a retard doing the 50m dash. Would we make fun of him for trying?

[Peterkro]

Let me just elucidate a bit.

I'm not a PETA person. I'm not a vegetarian and I don't want to be one. I don't think PETA boycotting things does a whole lot of good.

I'm frustrated by PETA bashing because PETA bashing is like making fun of Special Olympians. It's a noble cause with feeble results.

But an ineffective noble cause is a noble cause nonetheless and should be commended for its levels of honesty and principle. The people at PETA really do care about animals and the humane treatment thereof.

They may seem misguided at times, but so is a retard doing the 50m dash. Would we make fun of him for trying?
I don't want to personal but your use of language is appalling.

[pseudobrit]

I don't want to personal but your use of language is appalling.

Structure, syntax or spelling?

[Peterkro]

Calling someone a retard is every bit as bad as calling a black person a n-word

[pseudobrit]

Calling someone a retard is every bit as bad as calling a black person a n-word

It wasn't directing the word at a particular person or persons; I was using it within a metaphor and didn't want to dilute the potency of the literary device.

I am honestly sorry if I offended you or anyone else.

[Peterkro]

Thats O.K. is just those terms and the rest of the metaphor work to dehumanizing people.

[pseudobrit]

Thats O.K. is just those terms and the rest of the metaphor work to dehumanizing people.

I agree; that was integral to the literary device.