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nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 12:47 PM
Hey guys,

My MacBook Air takes a total of 4-5 hours to load 3 hours on the white screen, an hour on both the blue screens and when it finally gets the the desktop opening an application takes 10-15 minutes. the whole time it's incredibly slow.

What the heck's wrong with it.



torbjoern
Feb 16, 2011, 12:49 PM
Hey guys,

My MacBook Air takes a total of 4-5 hours to load 3 hours on the white screen, an hour on both the blue screens and when it finally gets the the desktop opening an application takes 10-15 minutes. the whole time it's incredibly slow.

What the heck's wrong with it.

Did this happen suddenly one day, or gradually over time?

jenzjen
Feb 16, 2011, 12:50 PM
Hey guys,

My MacBook Air takes a total of 4-5 hours to load 3 hours on the white screen, an hour on both the blue screens and when it finally gets the the desktop opening an application takes 10-15 minutes. the whole time it's incredibly slow.

What the heck's wrong with it.

Video -> youtube or it isn't happening. Just shoot the 1st 5 minutes after you press power.

GekkePrutser
Feb 16, 2011, 12:50 PM
And what model is it, and does it have an SSD?

hcho3
Feb 16, 2011, 12:51 PM
4 hours? Kind of extreme... dont you think?

I would never stare at a computer for 4 hours to just boot up.

Take it apple store. Your computer is not working.

GGJstudios
Feb 16, 2011, 12:51 PM
You might try repairing permissions.

About Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions feature (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1452)
Troubleshooting permissions issues in Mac OS X (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2963?viewlocale=en_US)

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 12:53 PM
It happened immediately.

MacDawg
Feb 16, 2011, 12:53 PM
You are a better man than I am if you waited 5 hours to see if it would boot

Take it to Apple and have them look at it
Anything else and you are probably wasting even more time ;)

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 12:55 PM
4 hours? Kind of extreme... dont you think?

I would never stare at a computer for 4 hours to just boot up.

Take it apple store. Your computer is not working.

It is along time but I Just leave it on the table while i do other things. regrettably i don't have $84 to spend so i have to figure it out some other way =(

And what model is it, and does it have an SSD?

No ssd. older model.

hcho3
Feb 16, 2011, 12:57 PM
It is along time but I Just leave it on the table while i do other things. regrettably i don't have $84 to spend so i have to figure it out some other way =(

Where is this 84 dollars coming from? Is that what apple quoted you for repairing this machine?

Are you out of warranty?

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 12:58 PM
Did this happen suddenly one day, or gradually over time?
It happened immediately. for no apparent reason.

Where is this 84 dollars coming from? Is that what apple quoted you for repairing this machine?

Are you out of warranty?

I am out of warranty. it's the local apple repair they quoted $84 just to look at it for an hour.

torbjoern
Feb 16, 2011, 01:00 PM
It happened immediately. for no apparent reason.

You might want to try resetting PRAM and NVRAM

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 01:02 PM
You might try repairing permissions.

About Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions feature (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1452)
Troubleshooting permissions issues in Mac OS X (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2963?viewlocale=en_US)
thanks i'll try them out.

You might want to try resetting PRAM and NVRAM

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

Thanks. I do screw around with terminal allot could that be an issue?

gnasher729
Feb 16, 2011, 01:04 PM
Hey guys,

My MacBook Air takes a total of 4-5 hours to load 3 hours on the white screen, an hour on both the blue screens and when it finally gets the the desktop opening an application takes 10-15 minutes. the whole time it's incredibly slow.

What the heck's wrong with it.

If it is one of the new MBAs then it doesn't matter what's wrong - it will be fixed under warranty.

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 01:07 PM
You might want to try resetting PRAM and NVRAM

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

What do they mean by the grey screen? the whitish grayish screen when you first start up or a different one?

If it is one of the new MBAs then it doesn't matter what's wrong - it will be fixed under warranty.
it isnt =(

torbjoern
Feb 16, 2011, 01:11 PM
What do they mean by the grey screen? the whitish grayish screen when you first start up or a different one?
Yes.

Thanks. I do screw around with terminal allot could that be an issue?
I hope you have a backup of your system then.

GGJstudios
Feb 16, 2011, 01:15 PM
Thanks. I do screw around with terminal allot could that be an issue?
If you don't positively know what you're doing, I recommend leaving Terminal alone. It's a good way to screw up your system.

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 01:17 PM
You might want to try resetting PRAM and NVRAM

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

Alright I tried that and it's been about 5min on the greyish whitish screen. Is that normal?

Intell
Feb 16, 2011, 01:17 PM
If you say it happened all of a sudden and your MBA has a HDD in it and is running slowly. I'd say the hard drive is dying.

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 01:19 PM
Yes.


I hope you have a backup of your system then.

Ha, no way I'm a hard core terminal person!!!!

If you say it happened all of a sudden and your MBA has a HDD in it and is running slowly. I'd say the hard drive is dying.

Ahh shoot i hope your wrong how would i fix something like that?




Okay!!!!!!

It's been about 30min after receting the RAM so i don't think it worked. I tried the disk utility and it said it was unable to verify. =(

MacRumorUser
Feb 16, 2011, 01:37 PM
When starting up your mac, hold down option/alt so that it forces the machine to look for a boot-up drive and then shows up the Macintosh HD.

If it's still taking forever then yes, your HDD is probably shot.

If it shows up, and then you can boot - once booted go into system preference, click on startup disk, and select Macintosh HD, and then click the lock.

Then go into utilities / disk utility and repair disk permissions.

Then reboot and see if things have improved.

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 01:42 PM
You might want to try resetting PRAM and NVRAM

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

When starting up your mac, hold down option/alt so that it forces the machine to look for a boot-up drive and then shows up the Macintosh HD.

If it's still taking forever then yes, your HDD is probably shot.

If it shows up, and then you can boot - once booted go into system preference, click on startup disk, and select Macintosh HD, and then click the lock.

Then go into utilities / disk utility and repair disk permissions.

Then reboot and see if things have improved.

Thank you very much. So if the HDD is shot then what do i do? This was a very expensive computer =(

<EDIT>
Well.......... It is still taking along time. Crap.
</EDIT>

MacRumorUser
Feb 16, 2011, 01:54 PM
Thank you very much. So if the HDD is shot then what do i do? This was a very expensive computer =(

<EDIT>
Well.......... It is still taking along time. Crap.
</EDIT>


Do you know what revision of Macbook Air you have ?

Your choices are to take it to an Apple Store and have them repair it / replace the drive.

Or if you're feeling daring you could source a 1.8" PATA drive off ebay for your MacBook Air and attempt to replace the drive yourself.

Either way........ it is going to cost you some $$$ regardless unfortunately, unless it's very new and you are still covered by a warranty of some regard.
:o:o:o

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 01:55 PM
Do you know what revision of Macbook Air you have ?

Your choices are to take it to an Apple Store and have them repair it / replace the drive.

Or if you're feeling daring you could source a 1.8" PATA drive off ebay for your MacBook Air and attempt to replace the drive yourself.

Either way........ it is going to cost you some $$$ regardless unfortunately, unless it's very new and you are still covered by a warranty of some regard.
:o:o:o

I have the older version =( so how much $$$ are we talking? If anything i would do it myself.


I also have the smaller hard drive will the 1.8 still work?

And while i'm at it is it passable to update the memory?

tmoerel
Feb 16, 2011, 01:57 PM
If you don't positively know what you're doing, I recommend leaving Terminal alone. It's a good way to screw up your system.

Terminal is what makes OS X great. It is a full unix system and to get the maximum out of it, terminal is the way to go.
You probably a Unix ignorant with terminal fear... so be it..... but please don't speak about what you do not know nor understand!

MacRumorUser
Feb 16, 2011, 01:59 PM
It really depends on your sourcing of the 1.8" HDD

I can see one on Ebay for $80 for example. You may be able to get cheaper. Best bet = google :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-HS12UHE-120GB-HDD-APPLE-MACBOOK-AIR-Rev-B-C-/260721958040?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb43d5c98#ht_2106wt_1141


Also check out some of the ifixit sites for full instructions

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Air-Models-A1237-and-A1304-Hard-Drive-Replacement/860/1

GGJstudios
Feb 16, 2011, 02:18 PM
Terminal is what makes OS X great. It is a full unix system and to get the maximum out of it, terminal is the way to go.
You probably a Unix ignorant with terminal fear... so be it..... but please don't speak about what you do not know nor understand!
You don't read posts very well, do you? I didn't say I don't understand Terminal. I said "If you (meaning the OP) don't positively know what you're doing, I recommend leaving Terminal alone. It's a good way to screw up your system." Terminal is great in the hands of a knowledgeable user; not so much in the hands of a neophyte.

... please don't speak about posts that you don't understand.

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 02:38 PM
Terminal is what makes OS X great. It is a full unix system and to get the maximum out of it, terminal is the way to go.
You probably a Unix ignorant with terminal fear... so be it..... but please don't speak about what you do not know nor understand!

Haha, I still don't get how to use SSH. Though it looks cool

SidBala
Feb 16, 2011, 02:48 PM
Terminal is what makes OS X great. It is a full unix system and to get the maximum out of it, terminal is the way to go.
You probably a Unix ignorant with terminal fear... so be it..... but please don't speak about what you do not know nor understand!

You should read his post again.

You probably have post reading fear ...so be it... but please don't speak about posts you neither read nor understand.

Seawolf8080
Feb 16, 2011, 03:00 PM
Terminal is what makes OS X great. It is a full unix system and to get the maximum out of it, terminal is the way to go.
You probably a Unix ignorant with terminal fear... so be it..... but please don't speak about what you do not know nor understand!

#fail

nuribruner
Feb 16, 2011, 05:47 PM
You don't read posts very well, do you? I didn't say I don't understand Terminal. I said "If you (meaning the OP) don't positively know what you're doing, I recommend leaving Terminal alone. It's a good way to screw up your system." Terminal is great in the hands of a knowledgeable user; not so much in the hands of a neophyte.

... please don't speak about posts that you don't understand.

You should read his post again.

You probably have post reading fear ...so be it... but please don't speak about posts you neither read nor understand.

#fail

Is this at all getting off subject?

darknite38
Feb 16, 2011, 06:55 PM
Video or it didn't happen.

topmounter
Feb 16, 2011, 08:05 PM
Is this at all getting off subject?

Not until someone has this problem who hasn't been screwing around in the terminal :D

GGJstudios
Feb 16, 2011, 08:05 PM
Is this at all getting off subject?
Yes, it is, caused by someone who would rather attack someone else's offer to help, rather than offer any help, themselves.

Back on topic, if you're unable to boot at all and Disk Utility can't verify or repair the disk, you obviously can't repair permissions, as I had initially suggested. Since you can't afford a backup drive or any repair, I'd just keep trying to boot. Many times, when a drive dies, it does so gradually and will boot up intermittently. I had a Sony VAIO years back that would boot after a dozen or more attempts. If you can get it to boot one time, use an online backup service or your network to backup your files before the drive is completely dead.

Heinekev
Feb 16, 2011, 09:10 PM
Looks like other users have hit the nail on the head already -- failing HDD. I've worked on two Macbook Airs with failing disk, both had similar symptoms (though not nearly as pronounced... 15-20 minute boot times).

If you let it get into OS X, you should check the SMART status of the drive. It'll likely say failing.

Apple Menu -> About this Mac -> More Info...

Look for Serial-ATA in the list.

Sorry :(

nuribruner
Feb 17, 2011, 06:26 PM
Not until someone has this problem who hasn't been screwing around in the terminal :D

Yes, it is, caused by someone who would rather attack someone else's offer to help, rather than offer any help, themselves.

Back on topic, if you're unable to boot at all and Disk Utility can't verify or repair the disk, you obviously can't repair permissions, as I had initially suggested. Since you can't afford a backup drive or any repair, I'd just keep trying to boot. Many times, when a drive dies, it does so gradually and will boot up intermittently. I had a Sony VAIO years back that would boot after a dozen or more attempts. If you can get it to boot one time, use an online backup service or your network to backup your files before the drive is completely dead.

Looks like other users have hit the nail on the head already -- failing HDD. I've worked on two Macbook Airs with failing disk, both had similar symptoms (though not nearly as pronounced... 15-20 minute boot times).

If you let it get into OS X, you should check the SMART status of the drive. It'll likely say failing.

Apple Menu -> About this Mac -> More Info...

Look for Serial-ATA in the list.

Sorry :(

Thanks guys.

So how do I know what version of a MBA I have? A, B or C???

GGJstudios
Feb 17, 2011, 06:30 PM
Thanks guys.

So how do I know what version of a MBA I have? A, B or C???
You can find specs on all Apple products with Mactracker (http://mactracker.dreamhosters.com/).
You can also enter your serial number here, to find specs for your model:
http://support.apple.com/specs/

nuribruner
Feb 17, 2011, 06:43 PM
You can find specs on all Apple products with Mactracker (http://mactracker.dreamhosters.com/).
You can also enter your serial number here, to find specs for\ your model:
http://support.apple.com/specs/

I have successfully removed my hard-drive. It's a 80GB NEON 655-1396A.

Model: HS082HB

Where do you guys think I can find one of these. I found a few for like $499 EEK.....

EDIT
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-80GB-8M-PATA-1-8-Mini-IDE-Hard-Drive-HS082HB-/280627449347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4156b30e03#ht_2442wt_1141

Heres one I found. It's used so I'm sort of leery about that...

Here's a 120GB will this work in my mac?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-HS12UHE-120GB-HDD-APPLE-MACBOOK-AIR-Rev-B-C-/260721958040?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb43d5c98#ht_2106wt_1141
EDIT

MacRumorUser
Feb 18, 2011, 03:02 AM
I have successfully removed my hard-drive. It's a 80GB NEON 655-1396A.

Model: HS082HB

Where do you guys think I can find one of these. I found a few for like $499 EEK.....

EDIT
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-80GB-8M-PATA-1-8-Mini-IDE-Hard-Drive-HS082HB-/280627449347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4156b30e03#ht_2442wt_1141

Heres one I found. It's used so I'm sort of leery about that...

Here's a 120GB will this work in my mac?

http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-HS12UHE-120GB-HDD-APPLE-MACBOOK-AIR-Rev-B-C-/260721958040?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb43d5c98#ht_2106wt_1141
EDIT


Did we find out if your MBA is a REV A or Rev B/C ?

According to the ebay listing

If the model of the HDD in your laptop is HS082HB or MK8025GAL, your MACBOOK is Rev A and this hdd is not compatible with your laptop.
Here is the link for HS082HB, which compatible with MACBOOK AIR Rev.A
http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-HS082HB-1-8-5mm-80GB-ZIF-HDD-/250685756972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
MK2431GAH is also compatible with MACBOOK AIR Rev A. But it is 8mm thick. You need to make enough room for MK2431GAH if you want to upgrade you MACBOOK to 240GB.