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Mike84
Feb 20, 2011, 08:42 AM
I am a happy MBA customer, for the most part. MBA froze recently, which was a cause for alarm, but it hasn't happened since (crossing fingers). One thing I have noticed, and others have mentioned it, is this instant on ordeal. Yeah, the MBA has a stand by time of 30 days. However, when I flip open my screen it takes close to 6 seconds for the computer to wake up. This is no different from the MBP or any other computer for that matter. So, what is this "instant on" that Apple was advertising?



petvas
Feb 20, 2011, 08:47 AM
Normally it should take about a second. It is still not as fast as the iPad, but compared to other laptops I had, this is almost instant. Having said that, sometimes the MBA does need more time to really become usable after waking up from standby. Connecting to a WiFi network can cause delays.
The flash storage helps very much to increase waking up times.

KPOM
Feb 20, 2011, 09:13 AM
It takes a second or two if it is plugged in, or if it's be on battery for less than an hour. After that time, the MacBook Air goes into a "deep sleep" mode similar to Windows hibernation. That's what takes a little longer to start up. The upside is that it uses almost no battery.

fishcove
Feb 20, 2011, 09:43 AM
... One thing I have noticed, and others have mentioned it, is this instant on ordeal. Yeah, the MBA has a stand by time of 30 days. However, when I flip open my screen it takes close to 6 seconds for the computer to wake up. ...

"Ordeal: A painful or horrific experience, esp. a protracted one"

6 seconds?

Mike84
Feb 20, 2011, 09:46 AM
"Ordeal: A painful or horrific experience, esp. a protracted one"

6 seconds?

Read again what I wrote. I am talking about 6 seconds compared to instant on. I don't care much that it takes that long, but I care about is whether this is considered "instant on" by Apple.

petvas
Feb 20, 2011, 10:27 AM
Read again what I wrote. I am talking about 6 seconds compared to instant on. I don't care much that it takes that long, but I care about is whether this is considered "instant on" by Apple.

6 seconds cannot be considered instant. Is it always 6 seconds for you, or only when waking up from deep sleep? Do you have WiFi on? Other USB devices?

fishcove
Feb 20, 2011, 11:21 AM
Read again what I wrote. I am talking about 6 seconds compared to instant on. I don't care much that it takes that long, but I care about is whether this is considered "instant on" by Apple.

I don't need to read it again.

I just thought it was funny to refer to a six second wait as an ordeal.

topmounter
Feb 20, 2011, 11:30 AM
Mine is up and ready to go by the time I get the screen open.

impulse462
Feb 20, 2011, 11:38 AM
Mine takes 1-2 seconds. If i plug in my USB ethernet adapter before, and then open the screen, it takes around 6-7 seconds.

Psilocybin
Feb 20, 2011, 12:18 PM
I don't need to read it again.

I just thought it was funny to refer to a six second wait as an ordeal.

It's an ordeal because 6 seconds is not and shouldn't be considered instant.

Education lesson
6 seconds = 6 seconds
Instant = Immediately

JimKirk
Feb 20, 2011, 12:46 PM
Ever since I got mine installed, Deep Sleep does not work as advertised.

Mike84
Feb 20, 2011, 01:19 PM
6 seconds cannot be considered instant. Is it always 6 seconds for you, or only when waking up from deep sleep? Do you have WiFi on? Other USB devices?

Yes, I am referring to when it wakes up from deep sleep.

It's an ordeal because 6 seconds is not and shouldn't be considered instant.

Education lesson
6 seconds = 6 seconds
Instant = Immediately

Thank you. I'd ignore the other two who seem to take issue with someone inquiring as to what Apple means by "instant on" when the product is not instantly on.

Bakari45
Feb 20, 2011, 02:53 PM
Mine wakes up in about 2 seconds; however, my apps donít seem to open as fast what I seen on other MBAs, on YouTube. My apps seem to take about 5-10 seconds to launch.

MacRumorUser
Feb 20, 2011, 02:59 PM
Mine is up and ready to go by the time I get the screen open.

Yeah me too... At the very most I've had to wait a second for the cursor to move.

Mike84
Feb 20, 2011, 03:22 PM
Yeah me too... At the very most I've had to wait a second for the cursor to move.

Is this after both deep sleep and just regular intermittent sleep?

TheRealDamager
Feb 20, 2011, 03:24 PM
Yes, I am referring to when it wakes up from deep sleep.



Thank you. I'd ignore the other two who seem to take issue with someone inquiring as to what Apple means by "instant on" when the product is not instantly on.

We don't take issue with the question, just the poor choice of words.

MacRumorUser
Feb 20, 2011, 03:52 PM
Is this after both deep sleep and just regular intermittent sleep?

Both...

The only issue I had with deep sleep once so far is that it required me to press the power button for it to come on as it did not come on when I opened the laptop. But once pressed it came on straight away.

FilipH
Feb 20, 2011, 03:58 PM
Even after a whole night, when i open the lid, it takes about 1 second to on. It most definitly is an improvement with my old MBA and Imac's... If it takes you 6 seconds, somethings wrong with your MBA or settings ...

Mike84
Feb 20, 2011, 03:58 PM
Both...

The only issue I had with deep sleep once so far is that it required me to press the power button for it to come on as it did not come on when I opened the laptop. But once pressed it came on straight away.

That happened to me once and it didn't turn on for a while (while, in this instance, is defined as longer than 2 minutes for those of you who like to keep track).

Even after a whole night, when i open the lid, it takes about 1 second to on. It most definitly is an improvement with my old MBA and Imac's... If it takes you 6 seconds, somethings wrong with your MBA or settings ...

Do you have a screen saver or a screen saver with a password by any chance? I do, and I wonder if that is the reason behind it taking a while, though I do remember it doing it too when I did not have either.

SidBala
Feb 20, 2011, 04:36 PM
This is no different from the MBP or any other computer for that matter.

So, what is this "instant on" that Apple was advertising?

Nothing.

1rottenapple
Feb 20, 2011, 07:44 PM
Mine is instant when I close it and open it again within the hour to a few hours if memory serves me. If it's more than a few hours and it's gone to deeper sleep, then it'll take about 4 seconds vs the instant on (like within a second of opening it's ready to use).

Not really an issue to me :)

gimmi80
Feb 20, 2011, 07:45 PM
Nothing.

Never read better definition.

Among all the marketing characteristics oversold by Apple for its products the "instant on" for MBA is definitely the most dishonest.

I love my MBA but it's everything beside instant on. It takes the same, if not longer than my MBP (standard HDD).

Mike84
Feb 20, 2011, 07:46 PM
Well the reason why I started the thread was not to say that the computer is defective but more out of curiosity as to what is instant on as described by Apple. If, how I mentioned earlier, the computer takes 4-6 seconds to be operational after I open it up from deep sleep it may not be considered instant on or would it?

Psilocybin
Feb 20, 2011, 07:47 PM
Never read better definition.

Among all the marketing characteristics oversold by Apple for its products the "instant on" for MBA is definitely the most dishonest.

I love my MBA but it's everything beside instant on. It takes the same, if not longer than my MBP (standard HDD).

uhm mine comes on within a second at the most...

you stating your macbook pro is faster is a crock of sh** or theres something seriously wrong with your air

Mike84
Feb 20, 2011, 07:52 PM
uhm mine comes on within a second at the most...

you stating your macbook pro is faster is a crock of sh** or theres something seriously wrong with your air

Does yours come on within a second after deep sleep? In other words, after a whole night of not using it? Mine does not. It takes about 6 seconds to be fully operational. However, as I noted before, it may be due to the fact that I have a screen saver and a password with that screen saver, which I have to enter every time I close the lid. Nevertheless, if I had to guess, I don't remember the computer being any faster when it didn't have that enabled.

gimmi80
Feb 20, 2011, 07:57 PM
uhm mine comes on within a second at the most...

you stating your macbook pro is faster is a crock of sh** or theres something seriously wrong with your air

maybe it takes you 3 seconds to open the lid.

fishcove
Feb 20, 2011, 08:34 PM
Yes, I am referring to when it wakes up from deep sleep.



Thank you. I'd ignore the other two who seem to take issue with someone inquiring as to what Apple means by "instant on" when the product is not instantly on.

Read again what I wrote.

At no time did I take issue with your questioning Apple's definition of "Instant on". Six seconds is not even close to instant on.

I simply questioned your definition of ordeal. And I thought I did it in a light-hearted way.

I guess not.

iRun26.2
Feb 20, 2011, 08:45 PM
Does yours come on within a second after deep sleep? In other words, after a whole night of not using it? Mine does not. It takes about 6 seconds to be fully operational. However, as I noted before, it may be due to the fact that I have a screen saver and a password with that screen saver, which I have to enter every time I close the lid. Nevertheless, if I had to guess, I don't remember the computer being any faster when it didn't have that enabled.

I don't think you get 'instant on' after deep sleep. Mine is only instantaneous if it plugged it or if it was on within the previous hour (and that suits me just fine). I actually wished it moved more quickly to deep sleep.

Mike84
Feb 20, 2011, 08:57 PM
Read again what I wrote.

At no time did I take issue with your questioning Apple's definition of "Instant on". Six seconds is not even close to instant on.

I simply questioned your definition of ordeal. And I thought I did it in a light-hearted way.

I guess not.

I should have used another word. No hard feelings.

I was just wondering, in all honesty, what Apple meant by instant in because in my situation when I open my MBA from a deep sleep, it is not instant. That is all.

MUBiomed
Feb 20, 2011, 09:02 PM
ever since i got mine installed, deep sleep does not work as advertised.

+1

yegon
Feb 20, 2011, 10:28 PM
Within an hour of use, it's about 1 second on mine. Beyond an hour it's 5 seconds or less, a teeny-tiny price to pay for the awesome sleep time which is effectively infinite in real terms, assuming you use the mba practically every day. Much better than every previous laptop I've had/own, my mbp will drop 20% if I leave it unplugged for 24 hours.

GekkePrutser
Feb 21, 2011, 07:38 AM
If you have Parallels or Vmware it will kill your deep sleep. Ever since I got mine installed, Deep Sleep does not work as advertised.

In what way does it do that? Does it not go to Deep Sleep at all after 1 hour? Or does it just take longer to wake from sleep?

I'm a bit worried about this, planning to get the MacBook Air and definitely need VMWare on it. I don't really mind if it takes longer to wake up, even something like 30 seconds. But I would like to be able to put it in Deep Sleep mode for several days, preferably with VM's opened.

JimKirk
Feb 21, 2011, 10:28 PM
no deep sleep after 1 hour. Battery drains in sleep just like regular mbp

KPOM
Feb 21, 2011, 10:31 PM
no deep sleep after 1 hour. Battery drains in sleep just like regular mbp

Something might be causing that. It's supposed to go into deep sleep after 70 minutes. If you are running a virtual machine through Parallels or Fusion that could prevent it from entering deep sleep. If so, try shutting down the VM.

I have quite frequently closed the lid on my Rev D without the battery connected at night. I'll open it a the next morning and the battery will be within a percent of where it started the night. Even after a full day disconnected it will be within 2 percentage point.

KPOM
Feb 21, 2011, 10:33 PM
In what way does it do that? Does it not go to Deep Sleep at all after 1 hour? Or does it just take longer to wake from sleep?

I'm a bit worried about this, planning to get the MacBook Air and definitely need VMWare on it. I don't really mind if it takes longer to wake up, even something like 30 seconds. But I would like to be able to put it in Deep Sleep mode for several days, preferably with VM's opened.


Note that I think Jim Kirk is speaking only about the Air's behavior if the VM is actually running. I fire up Parallels Desktop only if I'm using it. Otherwise, it's off. Parallels leaves some background processes running, but they definitely do not prevent the Mac from entering deep sleep.

uwetodd
Feb 21, 2011, 10:37 PM
this banter is putting me into a deep sleep

JimKirk
Feb 21, 2011, 11:25 PM
I have 2 mb airs and a mbp.

I definitely know the difference between regular sleep and deep.

The 11 deep sleeps the 13 does not. I have tried both parallels and vmware and they both cause the laptop to not deep sleep.

It does not matter if the vm is running or not.

I think it is an issue with kext or driver.

n1tut
Feb 22, 2011, 07:30 AM
There should not be all these variations. I use mine in bed off battery every night, shut the lid when finished, open in the morning and the screen is instant on with battery % just about the same.

Not sure if the cursor is instant, but it is active by the time I click an icon. I use the default settings for everything as were set by Apple except for Coolbook.

tut

11.6" basic with Coolbook

jamone13
Feb 22, 2011, 07:47 AM
Try turning off your screen saver & password. Myne is near your stated 6 seconds, when using a password. Its much faster without. The "instant on" is assuming the stock configuration (no screen saver or password). Having a password has always made waking up take longer for me even on a MBP.