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Feb 24, 2011, 07:35 AM
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While not all the rumors leading up to the launch were true, many of the last minute leaks were accurate, and Apple still managed to sneak in a few surprises.

Apple launched (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-Updates-MacBook-Pro-bw-1998290062.html?x=0&.v=1) the new MacBook Pros this morning after much anticipation. For the first time ever, Apple has included Quad Core CPUs into their notebooks. The 15" and 17" models offer Quad Core CPUs using the Intel 2.2GHz Quad Core 2720QM (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=50067) and 2.0GHz Quad Core 2630QM (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52219). While many applications may not take advantage of all 4 cores, these new Sandy Bridge processors include Intel's Turbo Boost 2.0 (http://www.intel.com/technology/turboboost/), which should increase the speed of the remaining cores when the others are underutilized. Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 2.0 automatically allows processor cores to run faster than the base operating frequency if it's operating below power, current, and temperature specification limits.The maximum Turbo clock speeds for the 2720QM and 2630QM are 3.2GHz and 2.9GHz respectively.

Apple has also introduced a hybrid Thunderbolt/mini Display port on the new MacBook Pros. This represents Intel's Light Peak technology which is said to offer high speed connections and is expected to replace the need for USB 3.0. We expect to hear more about it this afternoon at Intel's press conference. From Apple's PR:“Thunderbolt is a revolutionary new I/O technology that delivers an amazing 10 gigabits per second and can support every important I/O standard which is ideal for the new MacBook Pro.”
The new models are at the Apple Store (http://store.apple.com):

(Still filling in specs, as we get them)

Article Link: Apple Launches MacBook Pros with Thunderbolt, Quad Core CPUs, AMD GPUs (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/24/apple-launches-macbook-pros-with-thunderbolt-quad-core-cpus-amd-gpus/)



dault2
Feb 24, 2011, 07:38 AM
was really hoping for the 16 gig sdd :/ oh well

macswitcha2
Feb 24, 2011, 07:38 AM
Third!! Great update! Not a great time for me though.

joskewarez
Feb 24, 2011, 07:38 AM
2,3GHZ core i3 thats nothing faster than the previous C2D 2,4Ghz.
It's just a new name for almost the same processor

moredrunkmale
Feb 24, 2011, 07:39 AM
15" prices look WRONG

crobbins
Feb 24, 2011, 07:39 AM
I'm still waiting for the Apple Store website to come back up!

DipDog3
Feb 24, 2011, 07:39 AM
Not at all what I was expecting.

I might have considered $999 for the low end 13".

opeter
Feb 24, 2011, 07:39 AM
Prices are ... thank you for the fish ...

Bye, Apple.

dault2
Feb 24, 2011, 07:39 AM
2,3GHZ core i3 thats nothing faster than the previous C2D 2,4Ghz.
It's just a new name for almost the same processor

it is an i5

dime21
Feb 24, 2011, 07:40 AM
Quad core i7's and AMD GPU's? This is exactly the update I was hoping for!!! My 2006 MBP is officially being retired and I'm buying a top-spec new one. With Quad i7 and AMD Graphics!!! Thank you Apple!!! :D :D :D

NightFox
Feb 24, 2011, 07:40 AM
Shhhh... can you hear that? That's the sound of all the people who screamed 'fake' yesterday with absolute certainty. Quiet isn't it?

siurpeeman
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
is it me, or has the quoted battery life gone down from ten hours to seven?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#battery

MH01
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
Second! Great update!

priceless when that happens ;)

Saturn1217
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
Apparently there is still only a glossy 13inch MBP...

I hate to be a complainer (the rest of the specs on all the models look pretty nice) but I can't believe they still won't give the 13inch MBP this option. So far Apple still hasn't put out a computer that makes me want to upgrade:(

Maybe there will be a BTO option later - I can dream:o

Hayabusi
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
So no BTO Display for the 13"?
Thanks...
So my friend has to wait and i will not sell my 2010 13" to him!

Keziski
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

Haha everyone was like pssh quad core is NOT happening...now the 15" aaaaand the 17" have them!

Shivetya
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
$1800 for the quad 15 with THAT video card?

BJB Productions
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
Alright. Well I'm not going through the hassle to sell my late 2008 Macbook Pro for just minor updates... I'll wait another year.

Salacion
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
Hey guys, it's also worth noting that they updated the Mac OS Lion section with new info and listed features. Check it out.

GekkePrutser
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
The store is still down though :( But I see the new models are up on the regular website.

Yin
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
wtf??? what is this crap??? 7 hours battery time on the 13"

Littleodie914
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
is it me, or has the quoted battery life gone down from ten hours to seven?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#batteryNoticed that too. Hoping either:

1) It was 7 hours before, and I'm misremembering.

2) It's a typo.

If the battery life for the 13-inch laptops has indeed *dropped* 3 hours, I'm totally skipping these.

adamberti
Feb 24, 2011, 07:41 AM
it is an i5


Optional i7 in the 13"... wow

Wiggum
Feb 24, 2011, 07:42 AM
No Quad core 13" ...meh...

atari1356
Feb 24, 2011, 07:42 AM
Nice... but my previous generation 2.66GHz MacBook Pro will last me a few years still I think. :)

Still curious as to why lightpeak is integrated into the display port rather than the USB ports.

henryharker
Feb 24, 2011, 07:42 AM
1680x1050 high-resolution antiglare display an option!

diamond.g
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
The camera update isn't fair :(

Schizoid
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
the thunderbolt insignia is a FAKE! FAKE I TELL YOU!

...oh wait...

dault2
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
wow only 7 hour battery life that sucks

joskewarez
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
it is an i5

still the same ;)
that's called marketing, to make people like you coming wild

Fiko
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
is it me, or has the quoted battery life gone down from ten hours to seven?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#battery

Really 'GREAT' move... I am keeping my Mid 2009 MBP 13.

kgeier82
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
notice the battery times. I bet its the more accurate test. Expect to see 7-8 hrs on the 13".

Im almost tempted to buy a 13", but I wanted the increase in resolution, wtf.

MattMJB0188
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
Third!! Great update! Not a great time for me though.

2,3GHZ core i3 thats nothing faster than the previous C2D 2,4Ghz.
It's just a new name for almost the same processor

Not at all what I was expecting.

I might have considered $999 for the low end 13".

Prices are ... thank you for the fish ...

Bye, Apple.

Can you whiners please S T F U??? Seriously!!! You got your update. It's actually a very good update. SO STOP THE BITCHING and ENJOY it!!!!! :)

-=XX=-Nephilim
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
This is all too awesome!

15" + 6750 = here I come baby!!!

:)

Sl33pyD
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
wow I was really hoping to see some better gpu and some bigger screen resolution on the 13.3" model. Also a SSD would have been great as well :/ Really disappointed in these models, gonna keep my mid 2010 model!

Wiggum
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
Optional i7 in the 13"... wow

Not quad.

TheNakedMan
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
You can get an i7 dual core in the 13 inch.

Nice.

Might go with the 15inch.

Maury053
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
I wonder how much that previous models are going to go for, new and refurbished.

davie18
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
Up t 7 hours battery life? Wtf? So it's worse?

alent1234
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
2,3GHZ core i3 thats nothing faster than the previous C2D 2,4Ghz.
It's just a new name for almost the same processor

stop using drugs, the core i CPU's will smoke anything before them

Mr Maui
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
1440 x 900? Not gonna even bother upgrading my 2005 PowerBook G4. LOL. Here come all of the complainers again.

CompilerGuy
Feb 24, 2011, 07:43 AM
The screen resolution is definitely a bummer. I thought for sure that they would start bumping resolution on all new machines to match the MacBook Airs. Maybe there will be a custom upgrade option?

atomic50
Feb 24, 2011, 07:44 AM
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs-compare.html

richard.mac
Feb 24, 2011, 07:44 AM
nice! love the specs. but 5400rpm stock drive (should be 7200) and no higher res screen options is giving me the poops though. US store still down for me

jeff33702
Feb 24, 2011, 07:44 AM
LOL at prices. This crap can only continue for so long. Hackintosh, here I come!

adamberti
Feb 24, 2011, 07:45 AM
Hey guys, it's also worth noting that they updated the Mac OS Lion section with new info and listed features. Check it out.

It's official... Mac OS X Server is gone....???

"Lion Server is now part of Mac OS X Lion"

http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/

Samuriajackon
Feb 24, 2011, 07:45 AM
No Quad core 13" ...meh...

cost is too much for a 13.3in with intergrated Graphics...

AcesHigh87
Feb 24, 2011, 07:45 AM
I was hoping for more out of this, especially if those prices are right. I was willing to get another 13", I don't really mind the screen size, but all I'd be getting out of it is a slightly better processor and 2 more gigs of RAM. While the extra RAM would be nice it's not worth the price. To get anything decent out of this update I'd need to get the 15" and $1800 is a little pricey for that.

JSpence
Feb 24, 2011, 07:45 AM
Optional i7 in the 13"!!!! Whoooo, should update that front spec

zin
Feb 24, 2011, 07:46 AM
New Lion preview page also up.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/

Sukia
Feb 24, 2011, 07:46 AM
Huge prices!!!!

RugbyBerry
Feb 24, 2011, 07:46 AM
And there also new iMacs

LaDirection
Feb 24, 2011, 07:47 AM
nice! love the specs. but 5400rpm stock drive (should be 7200) and no higher res screen options is giving me the poops though. US store still down for me

No. 7200 rpm drives adversely affect the battery life. Most people don't need it and wouldn't understand why their battery doesn't last as long as advertised.

Pablo90
Feb 24, 2011, 07:47 AM
I don't know if it's the same in the US, but in Switzerland the price for the 13" (I can't remember other prices) actually dropped from 1499 CHF to 1399 CHF, that's pretty much 100$.
Not bad.

As for the battery life, I think it didn't get worst, I just think that before it was 10h of I don't know what, now it's 7 of wifi web browsing (what people do the most),

atherrien
Feb 24, 2011, 07:48 AM
wtf??? what is this crap??? 7 hours battery time on the 13"

If I read correctly, the reason that the battery life is lower is because they test them differently and more rigorously now.

icecone
Feb 24, 2011, 07:48 AM
the 15" model with anti-glare screen now do not have the black frame around the screen
is this a new change or has it always been that

sksmith78
Feb 24, 2011, 07:48 AM
their is an anti-glare option for the 15" mbp

Danekero
Feb 24, 2011, 07:49 AM
Loving the updates. Thunderbolt is already starting to ring, (lol) and the processor upgrades are top notch.

Hey guys, it's also worth noting that they updated the Mac OS Lion section with new info and listed features. Check it out.

Now THIS is newsworthy. So far I'm really liking autosave/versions and resumé. Mail 5's cool, and AirDrop may or may not be useful. XD And Lion Server? meeeeeehhhhhhhh...

dball4
Feb 24, 2011, 07:49 AM
And there also new iMacs

I don't see any new iMac's, are you sure?

sunny1985
Feb 24, 2011, 07:49 AM
My Dell XPS WIPS the MPB!!!!! and its almost two years old LOL

N11X6501 1 £1,086.76
Studio XPS 16 : Intel Core i7 Processor 720QM(1.60GHz,6MB cache) 1
Display : 16in RGBLED Black Leather Edge to Edge Full HD1080p with TrueLife 1
Camera : Integrated Camera with Facial Recognition Software 1
Resource DVD : Studio XPS 1645 Diagnostics and Drivers 1
Ship Accessory : English Docs 1
Memory : 4096MB (2x2048) 1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel 1
Hard Drive : 500GB Free Fall Sensor (7200RPM) 1
Optical Drive : Blu-Ray ROM (Blu-Ray,DVD and CD read & write) Slot Load Combo Drive 1
Power Supply : XPS 90W AC Adapter 1
Power Cord : UK 1M 1
Battery : Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION 1
Not Included Carry Case 1
Graphics : 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4670 graphics card 1
TV tuner : No Integrated TV tuner 1
Wireless : Europe Dell Bluetooth 370 Card 1
Wireless : Dell Wireless 1397 (802.11 b/g) Mini Card European 1
Keyboard : Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Keyboard 1
Operating System : English Genuine Windows 7 Professional (64 BIT) 1
English Microsoft Works 9.0 (Word Processor, Database) with Recovery CD 1
Software : Datasafe Local 2.0 Basic 1
Software : Napster for Win 7 (60 Free Songs and 1 year Free Music Streaming) 1
Dell Dock 1.0 1
English McAfee Security Centre 10.0 - 15 Month Subscription 1
Advanced Service - 2 year Collect & Return Service within 6 days + 2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
Standard Service - 1 year of coverage included with your PC 1
2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
DataSafe Online Backup 2GB 1
DataSafe Online size - 2GB Trial 1
I have already selected the Services promotion. 1
Studio XPS 1645 Order - UK 1
Studio NB - System Only 1
Subtotal: £1,086.76
Freight: £0.00

Total Net: £1,086.76
VAT( 15%): £153.69
Total: £1,240.45

Reverendrun
Feb 24, 2011, 07:49 AM
They couldn't have offered 512MB of GDDR5 on the entry level 15"?

We go from 256MB to 1GB?

apolloa
Feb 24, 2011, 07:49 AM
Don't know if this has been posted but it's CONFIRMED:

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

It's the only page that's up at the mo but quad core i7's, ATI graphics etc etc. Pricing from $1199 13" $1799 15" $2499 17"

MacMan67
Feb 24, 2011, 07:50 AM
was looking at the specs, and now I'm getting the we'll be back soon page... maybe more changes?

DrDanchaz
Feb 24, 2011, 07:50 AM
13-inch. Starts at $1199. 15-inch. Starts at $1799. 17-inch. Starts at $2499.

13-inch. Starts from € 1.149. 15-inch. Starts from € 1.749. 17-inch. Starts from € 2.499.

Who else thinks this is just wrong? 1 U.S. dollar = 0.72 Euros

Thunderhawks
Feb 24, 2011, 07:50 AM
Can you whiners please S T F U??? Seriously!!! You got your update. It's actually a very good update. SO STOP THE BITCHING and ENJOY it!!!!! :)

Finally a voice of reason.

This is very simple:

Apple puts out a product..

you like....you buy
you don't like, you don't buy

The end:-)

GadgetAddict
Feb 24, 2011, 07:51 AM
the 15" model with anti-glare screen now do not have the black frame around the screen
is this a new change or has it always been that

Anti-glare never had a black bezel.

DLovett
Feb 24, 2011, 07:51 AM
Noticed that too. Hoping either:

1) It was 7 hours before, and I'm misremembering.

2) It's a typo.

If the battery life for the 13-inch laptops has indeed *dropped* 3 hours, I'm totally skipping these.

Used to be 10 hours for the 13-inch and 8-hours for the 15-inch.

Unless the 6490M turns out to benchmark much higher than the 330M GT I'm keeping my 15" for now...

vincenz
Feb 24, 2011, 07:52 AM
Noticed that too. Hoping either:

1) It was 7 hours before, and I'm misremembering.

2) It's a typo.

If the battery life for the 13-inch laptops has indeed *dropped* 3 hours, I'm totally skipping these.

They have dropped 3 hours. It was 10 before.

Phil A.
Feb 24, 2011, 07:52 AM
My Dell XPS WIPS the MPB!!!!! and its almost two years old LOL
--snip pointless specs--

Enjoy your Dell then - I'll continue to enjoy my Macs

saxamoophone
Feb 24, 2011, 07:52 AM
Ew.

WAY.

WAYYYYYYY too expensive.

$1799 for the 15"?

I would have been tempted for the 13" but the fact it's lacking
- At least the same screen resolution as the Air doesn't even make sense
- What happened to the "Instant On" 16GB SSD rumors?
- No graphics card? Even the MAC BOOK has a graphics card.

Try again please apple =).

Why can't Dell or HP make decent laptops to compete?

spazzcat
Feb 24, 2011, 07:52 AM
Your point? It's still a dell....



My Dell XPS WIPS the MPB!!!!! and its almost two years old LOL

N11X6501 1 £1,086.76
Studio XPS 16 : Intel Core i7 Processor 720QM(1.60GHz,6MB cache) 1
Display : 16in RGBLED Black Leather Edge to Edge Full HD1080p with TrueLife 1
Camera : Integrated Camera with Facial Recognition Software 1
Resource DVD : Studio XPS 1645 Diagnostics and Drivers 1
Ship Accessory : English Docs 1
Memory : 4096MB (2x2048) 1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel 1
Hard Drive : 500GB Free Fall Sensor (7200RPM) 1
Optical Drive : Blu-Ray ROM (Blu-Ray,DVD and CD read & write) Slot Load Combo Drive 1
Power Supply : XPS 90W AC Adapter 1
Power Cord : UK 1M 1
Battery : Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION 1
Not Included Carry Case 1
Graphics : 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4670 graphics card 1
TV tuner : No Integrated TV tuner 1
Wireless : Europe Dell Bluetooth 370 Card 1
Wireless : Dell Wireless 1397 (802.11 b/g) Mini Card European 1
Keyboard : Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Keyboard 1
Operating System : English Genuine Windows 7 Professional (64 BIT) 1
English Microsoft Works 9.0 (Word Processor, Database) with Recovery CD 1
Software : Datasafe Local 2.0 Basic 1
Software : Napster for Win 7 (60 Free Songs and 1 year Free Music Streaming) 1
Dell Dock 1.0 1
English McAfee Security Centre 10.0 - 15 Month Subscription 1
Advanced Service - 2 year Collect & Return Service within 6 days + 2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
Standard Service - 1 year of coverage included with your PC 1
2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
DataSafe Online Backup 2GB 1
DataSafe Online size - 2GB Trial 1
I have already selected the Services promotion. 1
Studio XPS 1645 Order - UK 1
Studio NB - System Only 1
Subtotal: £1,086.76
Freight: £0.00

Total Net: £1,086.76
VAT( 15%): £153.69
Total: £1,240.45

MH01
Feb 24, 2011, 07:52 AM
Can you whiners please S T F U??? Seriously!!! You got your update. It's actually a very good update. SO STOP THE BITCHING and ENJOY it!!!!! :)

And as a macrumors regular... your actually suprised that people whine after ANY update?????

Put away the Apple pom poms... and just get real, this is macrumors, no matter what apple releases there will be disapointment.

As annoying as the whinning is, so are reponces like yours... So feel free to tell everyon why the update is so awesome.....start with the battery, seems to be the current theme...

Davieis
Feb 24, 2011, 07:52 AM
No resolution bump on the 13'? What an absolute joke!

Looks like i'll just be getting the 13" Air. Why on earth would Apple not even give us the option to BTO the 1440x900 panel?

I assume it has something to do with the Intel graphics not being able to drive the resolution but still...most customer's surely would take a better res over i5 and downgraded graphics. Major dissapointment.

On the up side...Lion looks awesome.

blizaine
Feb 24, 2011, 07:53 AM
Facetime HD seems cool. It would be nice if there was a way to utilize one of the several USB 720p webcams that are currently on the market for existing Macs.

Pablo90
Feb 24, 2011, 07:53 AM
13-inch. Starts at $1199. 15-inch. Starts at $1799. 17-inch. Starts at $2499.

13-inch. Starts from € 1.149. 15-inch. Starts from € 1.749. 17-inch. Starts from € 2.499.

Who else thinks this is just wrong? 1 U.S. dollar = 0.72 Euros

It's not uncommon for Apple products... Look at the AppStore, the iTunes store, etc.. The price around the world are always higher than in the US.

Look at the iPhone...

Cabbit
Feb 24, 2011, 07:53 AM
13 inch only has the GMA so its a 13 inch air or 15 pro for gamers.

rmwebs
Feb 24, 2011, 07:53 AM
What absolute *******s.

They really screwed the UK over with this.

USD Price for the LOWEST spec one: $1199

This converts to GBP at £740 (todays rate)

Apple are selling it for £999! :eek:

You'd have to be a complete moron to be willing to pay that for such a poor spec 13" model!

They really are taking the piss big time with those prices. For another £300 you can buy a Mac Pro for goodness sake!

RugbyBerry
Feb 24, 2011, 07:53 AM
I don't see any new iMac's, are you sure?

Apple already had The i7 out in computers? I thought that was new to this launch, that and the ATI Radeon. I've really not looked at iMacs.

dscuber9000
Feb 24, 2011, 07:53 AM
Very cool update. I'm a bit jealous. :D

KPOM
Feb 24, 2011, 07:54 AM
I'm a bit surprised there is no 1440x900 CTO option in the 13". I guess they want to keep something unique about the 13" MacBook Air.

The battery life is a bit disappointing, too. Given that the dimensions are the same, I'd have preferred longer life (unless they are attributing this to the new rating system). Anyway, skipping the Core i3 and offering the quad-core processors are pluses, as is the Thunderbolt port (no more complaints about lack of USB 3.0 since they have something faster to promote). Plus, the 17" kept the ExpressCard slot.

Overall, it's a very solid spec bump, but not the complete redesign some were hoping for. It should sell well.

CompilerGuy
Feb 24, 2011, 07:54 AM
Finally a voice of reason.

This is very simple:

Apple puts out a product..

you like....you buy
you don't like, you don't buy

The end:-)

+1

It is a good update -- we all got the thing we've really been waiting for, which is a upgrade from the old Core 2 Duos.

Of course, we all want more, but Apple has very savvy marketing and product management. They know they need to meter-out the goodies to keep people buying.

oström
Feb 24, 2011, 07:55 AM
"With the new Thunderbolt port, you can daisy-chain as many as six devices"
Does this mean that I can connect up to six displays through the thunderbolt port?

Danekero
Feb 24, 2011, 07:55 AM
My Dell XPS WIPS the MPB!!!!! and its almost two years old LOL

N11X6501 1 £1,086.76
Studio XPS 16 : Intel Core i7 Processor 720QM(1.60GHz,6MB cache) 1
Display : 16in RGBLED Black Leather Edge to Edge Full HD1080p with TrueLife 1
Camera : Integrated Camera with Facial Recognition Software 1
Resource DVD : Studio XPS 1645 Diagnostics and Drivers 1
Ship Accessory : English Docs 1
Memory : 4096MB (2x2048) 1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel 1
Hard Drive : 500GB Free Fall Sensor (7200RPM) 1
Optical Drive : Blu-Ray ROM (Blu-Ray,DVD and CD read & write) Slot Load Combo Drive 1
Power Supply : XPS 90W AC Adapter 1
Power Cord : UK 1M 1
Battery : Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION 1
Not Included Carry Case 1
Graphics : 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4670 graphics card 1
TV tuner : No Integrated TV tuner 1
Wireless : Europe Dell Bluetooth 370 Card 1
Wireless : Dell Wireless 1397 (802.11 b/g) Mini Card European 1
Keyboard : Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Keyboard 1
Operating System : English Genuine Windows 7 Professional (64 BIT) 1
English Microsoft Works 9.0 (Word Processor, Database) with Recovery CD 1
Software : Datasafe Local 2.0 Basic 1
Software : Napster for Win 7 (60 Free Songs and 1 year Free Music Streaming) 1
Dell Dock 1.0 1
English McAfee Security Centre 10.0 - 15 Month Subscription 1
Advanced Service - 2 year Collect & Return Service within 6 days + 2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
Standard Service - 1 year of coverage included with your PC 1
2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
DataSafe Online Backup 2GB 1
DataSafe Online size - 2GB Trial 1
I have already selected the Services promotion. 1
Studio XPS 1645 Order - UK 1
Studio NB - System Only 1
Subtotal: £1,086.76
Freight: £0.00

Total Net: £1,086.76
VAT( 15%): £153.69
Total: £1,240.45

Sorry, I fail to see it. :\

Gen
Feb 24, 2011, 07:55 AM
Good update, love everything - except that optical drive. I really want to sell my late 2008 MBP to get a new one ... but with a redesign next year, hopefully they'll throw out that optical drive by then.

vincenz
Feb 24, 2011, 07:56 AM
New Lion preview page also up.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/

I'm liking the new mail app very much. It's one of my most used Apps so it's good to see the facelift that was needed.

syan48306
Feb 24, 2011, 07:56 AM
This is all too awesome!

15" + 6750 = here I come baby!!!

:)

Bro, I hear ya. I'm all over that one.

Oh and all you Quad Core non believers. lol @ you guys.

sportsfan
Feb 24, 2011, 07:56 AM
Nice... but my previous generation 2.66GHz MacBook Pro will last me a few years still I think. :)

Still curious as to why lightpeak is integrated into the display port rather than the USB ports.

Because now when apple refreshes their monitors they can use the port to power and send video to the display.

pittisit
Feb 24, 2011, 07:56 AM
How do the weight specs compared with the previous gen? Same?

drew0020
Feb 24, 2011, 07:56 AM
I love the update, but the 13" resolution is terrible. I dont understand why Apple didnt upgrade this to match the Air?!? At least give us the option. Ugh!

ghsNick
Feb 24, 2011, 07:56 AM
WTF with that battery.
No thanks.

J400uk
Feb 24, 2011, 07:56 AM
I'm disappointed that the 13" is still using the 1280 x 800 display as before and no SSD fitted standard. What is this, 2006? Battery down to 7hrs too, but I guess this is just because they are measuring it a different way as per the 2010 MBAs. CPUs look good, but Thunderbolt does nothing for me. Not sure about the Intel graphics, be interesting to see how that compares to the old GeForce 320m.

Hope the iPad announcement is a bit more exciting!

Danekero
Feb 24, 2011, 07:57 AM
"With the new Thunderbolt port, you can daisy-chain as many as six devices"
Does this mean that I can connect up to six displays through the thunderbolt port?

If the GPU could support that, maybe. But no, because the GPU can't support that. XP

Shivetya
Feb 24, 2011, 07:57 AM
This is all too awesome!

15" + 6750 = here I come baby!!!

:)

At $2199 is better damn well be awesome.


Prices are actually worse than before

Andronicus
Feb 24, 2011, 07:57 AM
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17" here I come!

Jphillippe
Feb 24, 2011, 07:57 AM
Unfortunately it's the end of the road for me...7 hour battery is a dealbreaker...So sad! (said like Gretchen wieners in mean girls)

Purduecoz
Feb 24, 2011, 07:57 AM
No resolution bump on the 13'? What an absolute joke!

Looks like i'll just be getting the 13" Air. Why on earth would Apple not even give us the option to BTO the 1440x900 panel?


+1. I'm doing the same thing today. Disappointed in the base 13" specs. I like the dual core i7 upgrade, but not at the cost of screen resolution, graphics chip, and SSD.

MacKami
Feb 24, 2011, 07:57 AM
Again, this is a "revolution", that kind :
:apple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKpKahJbn-8
:D

spiritshao
Feb 24, 2011, 07:57 AM
A little disappointed.No 16GB SSD,No upgrade in graphics in 13 inch model.But the sandy bridge is ok .I will get one after all.

yegon
Feb 24, 2011, 07:57 AM
If gpu isn't important a maxed 13" would be pretty sweet, but utterly crippled by that resolution.....Apple, really, sheesh.

azentropy
Feb 24, 2011, 07:58 AM
Apparently there is still only a glossy 13inch MBP...

I hate to be a complainer (the rest of the specs on all the models look pretty nice) but I can't believe they still won't give the 13inch MBP this option. So far Apple still hasn't put out a computer that makes me want to upgrade:(

Maybe there will be a BTO option later - I can dream:o

+1

I won't purchase a glass covered laptop or desktop again. It is ridiculous that they won't offer an BTO option.

Eidorian
Feb 24, 2011, 07:58 AM
Ouch, the 6490M might as well be Intel's own IGP. GDDR5 is nice but it is still 5450 level GPU power.

wippler
Feb 24, 2011, 07:58 AM
13'' incher was a major bummer.. i'm getting the 15'' with hi res display and better gpu, i wonder if its going to run hot

puma1552
Feb 24, 2011, 07:58 AM
So it looks so far like there is basically NOTHING for BTO options?

An extra processor on the 17", screen res bumps on the 15s, and that's it?

gigi11192
Feb 24, 2011, 07:58 AM
oh no...

no the expected instant-on feature??
battery down 3 hrs?
still 2.04 kg??
still optical drive??

what the *, apple?!!!

sunny1985
Feb 24, 2011, 07:59 AM
Your point? It's still a dell....

MUGS! thats the point MUGS!

ok got an iphone only because i actually worked for apple and could get my discount!

Thunderbird
Feb 24, 2011, 07:59 AM
Someone stole my 'Thunder' :)

alphaod
Feb 24, 2011, 07:59 AM
Looks like there is a still a high resolution upgrade for the 15"; looks like I'm still picking one of these puppies up.

NightFox
Feb 24, 2011, 07:59 AM
13-inch. Starts at $1199. 15-inch. Starts at $1799. 17-inch. Starts at $2499.

13-inch. Starts from € 1.149. 15-inch. Starts from € 1.749. 17-inch. Starts from € 2.499.

Who else thinks this is just wrong? 1 U.S. dollar = 0.72 Euros

What absolute *******s.

They really screwed the UK over with this.

USD Price for the LOWEST spec one: $1199

This converts to GBP at £740 (todays rate)

Apple are selling it for £999! :eek:

You'd have to be a complete moron to be willing to pay that for such a poor spec 13" model!

They really are taking the piss big time with those prices. For another £300 you can buy a Mac Pro for goodness sake!

This gets brought up every time.

IIRC US prices don't include taxes, EU prices do. And Apple has to build in a margin for currency fluctuations or it'd be changing its prices every few days.

Yankee617
Feb 24, 2011, 08:00 AM
If I read correctly, the reason that the battery life is lower is because they test them differently and more rigorously now.

The battery capacity on the 13" model is unchanged at 63.5 watt-hours.
Both the 2.3 GHz i5 version and the 2.7 GHz i7 version are listed as
offering 7 hours.

I hope this is no more than a change in the test/measurement process.
I'll be eagerly awaiting 3rd party analyses of this issue.

Too bad there is no matte display option on the 13". :(

I'll probably still buy the low-end 13" model. :o

...and the weight is unchanged at 4.5 pounds. :(

Weight and battery life are two of my primary criteria. I'm currently using
a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo and that's just fine; a speed bump is always welcome
but its not what I was hoping for.

mattcube64
Feb 24, 2011, 08:00 AM
At $2199 is better damn well be awesome.


Prices are actually worse than before

Agreed. Glad they gave the option, as they now finally have a decent GPU in a laptop. But wish the 6750 was in the base 15", or offered as a $100 upgrade. At $2200 + tax; I've unfortunately got to pass.

andy845
Feb 24, 2011, 08:00 AM
My Dell XPS WIPS the MPB!!!!! and its almost two years old LOL

N11X6501 1 £1,086.76
Studio XPS 16 : Intel Core i7 Processor 720QM(1.60GHz,6MB cache) 1
Display : 16in RGBLED Black Leather Edge to Edge Full HD1080p with TrueLife 1
Camera : Integrated Camera with Facial Recognition Software 1
Resource DVD : Studio XPS 1645 Diagnostics and Drivers 1
Ship Accessory : English Docs 1
Memory : 4096MB (2x2048) 1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel 1
Hard Drive : 500GB Free Fall Sensor (7200RPM) 1
Optical Drive : Blu-Ray ROM (Blu-Ray,DVD and CD read & write) Slot Load Combo Drive 1
Power Supply : XPS 90W AC Adapter 1
Power Cord : UK 1M 1
Battery : Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION 1
Not Included Carry Case 1
Graphics : 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4670 graphics card 1
TV tuner : No Integrated TV tuner 1
Wireless : Europe Dell Bluetooth 370 Card 1
Wireless : Dell Wireless 1397 (802.11 b/g) Mini Card European 1
Keyboard : Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Keyboard 1
Operating System : English Genuine Windows 7 Professional (64 BIT) 1
English Microsoft Works 9.0 (Word Processor, Database) with Recovery CD 1
Software : Datasafe Local 2.0 Basic 1
Software : Napster for Win 7 (60 Free Songs and 1 year Free Music Streaming) 1
Dell Dock 1.0 1
English McAfee Security Centre 10.0 - 15 Month Subscription 1
Advanced Service - 2 year Collect & Return Service within 6 days + 2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
Standard Service - 1 year of coverage included with your PC 1
2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
DataSafe Online Backup 2GB 1
DataSafe Online size - 2GB Trial 1
I have already selected the Services promotion. 1
Studio XPS 1645 Order - UK 1
Studio NB - System Only 1
Subtotal: £1,086.76
Freight: £0.00

Total Net: £1,086.76
VAT( 15%): £153.69
Total: £1,240.45

It really isn't better! You do know that just because it's i7 processor, its totally different to the new ones just announced? You have blu-ray, everything else is worse or equal.

orfeas0
Feb 24, 2011, 08:00 AM
2,3GHZ core i3 thats nothing faster than the previous C2D 2,4Ghz.
It's just a new name for almost the same processor

it's 2,3ghz core i5 which means it has turbo boost up to (i think) around 2,8ghz.
Not bad, but we still get the same laptop with a little better processor and comparable (maybe better maybe worse) gpu.
Sucky upgrade IMO, unless light peak starts getting used by the industry.

drboy005
Feb 24, 2011, 08:01 AM
Do I need a better GPU for running lightroom and CS5? Or those applications need a better CPU than GPU.
In other words, if I am choosing 15" should I upgrade to AMD6750 (and not 6490) to use the above applications more effectively?
Also can some one enlighten me if resolution upgrade on 15" is better for photo editing.

Thank you.

sunny1985
Feb 24, 2011, 08:01 AM
What absolute *******s.

They really screwed the UK over with this.

USD Price for the LOWEST spec one: $1199

This converts to GBP at £740 (todays rate)

Apple are selling it for £999! :eek:

You'd have to be a complete moron to be willing to pay that for such a poor spec 13" model!

They really are taking the piss big time with those prices. For another £300 you can buy a Mac Pro for goodness sake!



mate i worked for apple and trust me they aint stupied. the so called 'hike' is due in shipping and storage cost LOL. believe it if you want! BUY a dell mate! XPS all day long!

Danekero
Feb 24, 2011, 08:01 AM
IIRC US prices don't include taxes, EU prices do.

$700 in taxes? :rolleyes:

jmpnop
Feb 24, 2011, 08:02 AM
I was looking at 13" inch, but no high-res screen and graphic card is dealbreaker. I still can't believe it doesn't have dedicated graphics card! And they call it 'Pro' computer lol

I'll go with the expensive 15" inch this time..

realitymonkey
Feb 24, 2011, 08:02 AM
What absolute *******s.

They really screwed the UK over with this.

USD Price for the LOWEST spec one: $1199

This converts to GBP at £740 (todays rate)

Apple are selling it for £999! :eek:

You'd have to be a complete moron to be willing to pay that for such a poor spec 13" model!

They really are taking the piss big time with those prices. For another £300 you can buy a Mac Pro for goodness sake!


You are not comparing apples with apples. The US price does not include sales tax were as the UK one includes 20% VAT so it comes down to £832.50 still a load more but not as bad as it looks.

Ryz0n
Feb 24, 2011, 08:03 AM
I'm happy with the update but the graphics card is a major let down. Still 256?! I agree, the base 15 should at least have 512 by now. I'm planning on switching back to Mac from my Asus G53jw (only had for 4 months) for other reasons besides gaming, but I'm sure going to miss the 1.5gb Nvidia card in this bad boy. Will 256 even be able to play Battlefield 3 when it comes out? Well, let me rephrase that, can it play it and not look like absolute crap?!

I'm still an Apple fan and respect them, but their website with all the descriptions of the new stuff makes me nauseous. It's so pretentious. They're good updates, but they're nothing new in the general laptop market. I'm sick of them milking every single thing as long as they can.

yetanotherdave
Feb 24, 2011, 08:03 AM
What absolute *******s.

They really screwed the UK over with this.

USD Price for the LOWEST spec one: $1199

This converts to GBP at £740 (todays rate)

Apple are selling it for £999! :eek:

You'd have to be a complete moron to be willing to pay that for such a poor spec 13" model!

They really are taking the piss big time with those prices. For another £300 you can buy a Mac Pro for goodness sake!

You forgot to add VAT @20%, which takes it up to £886. We're still getting ripped to the tune of £113, but not as bad as the £260 you thought...

Padraig
Feb 24, 2011, 08:03 AM
The prices are horrible for the spec of these machines. Don't think I could even justify them with an employee discount.

sunny1985
Feb 24, 2011, 08:04 AM
It really isn't better! You do know that just because it's i7 processor, its totally different to the new ones just announced? You have blu-ray, everything else is worse or equal. As the stores not up yet we don't know what the bto for graphics cards will be.

agreed on the difference on 'specs' of the processor, but for the cost between the two mechines and still no blue-ray in sight nor 1080p, its a massive SAVE! no?

iZac
Feb 24, 2011, 08:04 AM
If I read correctly, the reason that the battery life is lower is because they test them differently and more rigorously now.

You're perfectly right, Apple just chose to re-list / re-test the batteries for the MBPs at an update rather than change the stated results for the old models. Would have stopped a load of moaning from people at the update, but in any case, 7 hours is a pretty respectable battery life, in my opinion.

I guess the polycarb macbook still is using the old testing method, so if it doesn’t vanish into the night, you can expect that to 'drop' at its next update too.

GodWhomIsMike
Feb 24, 2011, 08:05 AM
Crazy pricing on them... :(

I like what I see, but this is the wrong time for me.

Torrijos
Feb 24, 2011, 08:05 AM
Nice machines, way nicer when some external RAID using Thunderbolt is available.

sunny1985
Feb 24, 2011, 08:05 AM
You forgot to add VAT @20%, which takes it up to £886. We're still getting ripped to the tune of £113, but not as bad as the £260 you thought...

your also forgetting the TAX's (11%) that get added in the states so the £260 is about right if not just abit less!

spiritshao
Feb 24, 2011, 08:06 AM
Wait!
the 13 gets 2.7G i7 on apple's website.This news has some mistakes??

smallnshort247
Feb 24, 2011, 08:06 AM
Well I'm glad the physical look hasn't changed much. My 2010MBP will feel less out of date :rolleyes:

saxamoophone
Feb 24, 2011, 08:07 AM
I was looking at 13" inch, but no high-res screen and graphic card is dealbreaker. I still can't believe it doesn't have dedicated graphics card! And they call it 'Pro' computer lol

I'll go with the expensive 15" inch this time..

If it wasn't $600 more expensive I'd do the same. ew.

way too expensive.

amt2002
Feb 24, 2011, 08:07 AM
What a massive disappointment! Sure, those new CPU's may be fast but what the point when you've got a traditional HDD in there?

I'm sorry, I'm really disappointed with this upgrade. :(

unchecked
Feb 24, 2011, 08:07 AM
Battery life "up to 7 hrs wireless web"

wha?

oTaRu
Feb 24, 2011, 08:07 AM
disappointed with the 13" models... shrink 10hrs battery life to 7hrs... :(

fahadqureshi
Feb 24, 2011, 08:07 AM
Your point? It's still a dell....

what difference does that make. the cpu is still made by intel, the graphics are still made by ati. just because its in a dell casing its considered bad?

toondw
Feb 24, 2011, 08:07 AM
I'm happy with the update but the graphics card is a major let down. Still 256?! I agree, the base 15 should at least have 512 by now. I'm planning on switching back to Mac from my Asus G53jw (only had for 4 months) for other reasons besides gaming, but I'm sure going to miss the 1.5gb Nvidia card in this bad boy. Will 256 even be able to play Battlefield 3 when it comes out? Well, let me rephrase that, can it play it and not look like absolute crap?!

I'm still an Apple fan and respect them, but their website with all the descriptions of the new stuff makes me nauseous. It's so pretentious. They're good updates, but they're nothing new in the general laptop market. I'm sick of them milking every single thing as long as they can.

How strange! Just waiting for my asus G53jw to arrive today! Was going to send it back if the macbook pro update was worth it but to be honest i think i'll stick to the asus. Love apple, i have a iphone 4, ipad and did have a imac but the macbook pro is just not worh the premium.

Hyldig
Feb 24, 2011, 08:08 AM
-13" 1280x800 Display. 2.7GHz Dual i5. 4GB RAM. 500GB HD. Intel HD Graphics. $1499
-13" 1280x800 Display. 2.3GHz Dual i5. 4GB RAM. 320GB HD. Intel HD Graphics. $1199

The specs at http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs-compare.html says 2.3GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor & 2.7GHz dual-core Intel Core i7 processor

applefan289
Feb 24, 2011, 08:08 AM
Was hoping for a redesign, but the way Apple website presents it, it all looks great! The thunderbolt idea in my mind is brilliant, could you imagine if it was the standard a few years from now? Anything from TVs to arcade system boards would use it to connect to monitors, devices, etc.

Macmadant
Feb 24, 2011, 08:08 AM
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2.3GHz dual-core Intel Core*i5 processor with 3MB shared L3 cache or 2.7GHz dual-core Intel Core*i7 processor with 4MB shared L3 cache.
Says the high end 13" has an i7 on the website.

scottsjack
Feb 24, 2011, 08:09 AM
your also forgetting the TAX's (11%) that get added in the states so the £260 is about right if not just abit less!

What tax? I can order one from B&H and pay no tax (and probably no shipping) to Arizona.

paulro
Feb 24, 2011, 08:09 AM
What absolute *******s.

They really screwed the UK over with this.

USD Price for the LOWEST spec one: $1199

This converts to GBP at £740 (todays rate)

Apple are selling it for £999! :eek:

You'd have to be a complete moron to be willing to pay that for such a poor spec 13" model!

They really are taking the piss big time with those prices. For another £300 you can buy a Mac Pro for goodness sake!

That's always been the case with uk v us Apple prices.

The entry level ipad was $499 in the US, but £429 in the UK. We always get shafted in the UK. On the plus side, the new entry level 13" Macbook pro is £20 less than the previous entry one.

Personally, I'll just stick with my 2008 aluminium Macbook. The specification difference and price just doesn't justify a change for me.

GodWhomIsMike
Feb 24, 2011, 08:09 AM
Great specs EXCEPT for the 5400rpm hard drives. Are they serious? Really? 5400rpm? These are $2000+ laptops, NOT some cheap $399 Walmart door special.

Gixxerguyk6
Feb 24, 2011, 08:09 AM
Do you think there are going to be expresscard's to bring lightpeak (Thunderbolt) to older macs?

DrJohnnyN
Feb 24, 2011, 08:10 AM
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2.3GHz dual-core Intel Core*i5 processor with 3MB shared L3 cache or 2.7GHz dual-core Intel Core*i7 processor with 4MB shared L3 cache.
Says the high end 13" has an i7 on the website.

Yep.

Vantage Point
Feb 24, 2011, 08:10 AM
I don't see a mini-display port for external monitors in the picture on the Apple site http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html

NebulaClash
Feb 24, 2011, 08:10 AM
My Dell XPS WIPS the MPB!!!!! and its almost two years old LOL



LOL, you're stuck with a Dell.

sunny1985
Feb 24, 2011, 08:10 AM
what difference does that make. the cpu is still made by intel, the graphics are still made by ati. just because its in a dell casing its considered bad?


+1. seems like Brand is everything to people.

Davichi
Feb 24, 2011, 08:10 AM
What a massive disappointment! Sure, those new CPU's may be fast but what the point when you've got a traditional HDD in there?

I'm sorry, I'm really disappointed with this upgrade. :(

I am sorry to hear that, but what did you expect?

MBP 13 starts off with 320 GB HDD. Apple cannot afford to put in 320GB SSD with price tag of 1199 dollars.

MBP go as high as 750GB. Again, that's too much for apple to put in as SSD.

They had to make a choice.

IF you want more performance, you have to give up storage. If you want to have a storage, then performance goes away.

Apple cannot get away with what they did with MBA on MBP. 64GB, 128, or even 256 GB SSD is not enough for pro users.

jessea
Feb 24, 2011, 08:10 AM
I can't understand why they didn't upgrade the 13" screens to match the res on the 13" MacBook Air. Doesn't make any sense to me. Guess I won't be buying after all.

merkinmuffley
Feb 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
Nothing there that will get me to spend money.

titans1127
Feb 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
Im currently debating between both 13in models and the low end 15in model. It will only cost me between $108 to $160 per month so its hard to decide on which to get. I don't want to spend more than for what I need.

orfeas0
Feb 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
My Dell XPS WIPS the MPB!!!!! and its almost two years old LOL

N11X6501 1 £1,086.76
Studio XPS 16 : Intel Core i7 Processor 720QM(1.60GHz,6MB cache) 1
Display : 16in RGBLED Black Leather Edge to Edge Full HD1080p with TrueLife 1
Camera : Integrated Camera with Facial Recognition Software 1
Resource DVD : Studio XPS 1645 Diagnostics and Drivers 1
Ship Accessory : English Docs 1
Memory : 4096MB (2x2048) 1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel 1
Hard Drive : 500GB Free Fall Sensor (7200RPM) 1
Optical Drive : Blu-Ray ROM (Blu-Ray,DVD and CD read & write) Slot Load Combo Drive 1
Power Supply : XPS 90W AC Adapter 1
Power Cord : UK 1M 1
Battery : Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION 1
Not Included Carry Case 1
Graphics : 1GB ATI Radeon HD 4670 graphics card 1
TV tuner : No Integrated TV tuner 1
Wireless : Europe Dell Bluetooth 370 Card 1
Wireless : Dell Wireless 1397 (802.11 b/g) Mini Card European 1
Keyboard : Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Keyboard 1
Operating System : English Genuine Windows 7 Professional (64 BIT) 1
English Microsoft Works 9.0 (Word Processor, Database) with Recovery CD 1
Software : Datasafe Local 2.0 Basic 1
Software : Napster for Win 7 (60 Free Songs and 1 year Free Music Streaming) 1
Dell Dock 1.0 1
English McAfee Security Centre 10.0 - 15 Month Subscription 1
Advanced Service - 2 year Collect & Return Service within 6 days + 2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
Standard Service - 1 year of coverage included with your PC 1
2 years Accidental Damage Support 1
DataSafe Online Backup 2GB 1
DataSafe Online size - 2GB Trial 1
I have already selected the Services promotion. 1
Studio XPS 1645 Order - UK 1
Studio NB - System Only 1
Subtotal: £1,086.76
Freight: £0.00

Total Net: £1,086.76
VAT( 15%): £153.69
Total: £1,240.45

Toshiba qosmio f60-10k here, 1 year old.
Price = same as the macbook pro 13" low-end.
Screen =15"
CPU= 2,4ghz core i5 (arrandale ofc, not SB.), which I think has a better performance than the 2,3ghz i5.
GPU = nvidia 330m 1gb.
Ram = 6gb ddr3.
Hard drive = 500gb 5400rpm.
Windows 7 (basic or? i have the ultimate now anyway...)
ports = 4 usbs, vga , hdmi.
Oh and forgot bluray player and dvd rw :)

Compare??
Cmon this upgrade is *****... just a little bit better processor than before, people say the gpu is worse than 320m too. so what the frack?
I still wanna buy a macbook 13" though, maybe the new white, or a refurbished mbp last gen. I mean its cheaper than the current and the same performance.

Cabbit
Feb 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
Do you think there are going to be expresscard's to bring lightpeak (Thunderbolt) to older macs?

No expresscard is too slow to support lightpeak.

dscuber9000
Feb 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
Great specs EXCEPT for the 5400rpm hard drives. Are they serious? Really? 5400rpm? These are $2000+ laptops, NOT some cheap $399 Walmart door special.

The battery life was already cut 3 hours. I don't know if people would rather have a faster HDD or longer battery life.

NightFox
Feb 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
$700 in taxes? :rolleyes:

OK, $1199 = £800 (at a real average buy rate, not some nominal middle rate)

VAT on £800 @20% = £160

£800+£160 = £960

Compared to a retail price of £999

rmwebs
Feb 24, 2011, 08:11 AM
This gets brought up every time.

IIRC US prices don't include taxes, EU prices do. And Apple has to build in a margin for currency fluctuations or it'd be changing its prices every few days.

You dont get it. 6 hours ago you could pick up a 13" laptop from Apple for £700. The 13" model has received a very minimal refresh, yet has gone up in price dramatically. Apple raised it from £600 to £700 about a month ago when UK Tax increased 2.5%.

They are abusing the situation BIG TIME. Even with tax added on, the new 13" model shouldn't have gone above £899.

Mausse
Feb 24, 2011, 08:12 AM
the 15" model with anti-glare screen now do not have the black frame around the screen
is this a new change or has it always been that

always been like that, i have one but i like the look with glass beter...

Eidorian
Feb 24, 2011, 08:12 AM
If it wasn't $600 more expensive I'd do the same. ew.

way too expensive.The $2,199 is a good starting point. This update emphasizes the CPU power. The 6490M is not much better than Intel's own IGP product.

sunny1985
Feb 24, 2011, 08:12 AM
LOL, you're stuck with a Dell.

LOL, money i saved i'll be able to buy a better product then the MBP. PLus your missing the point, other companies OUT their use the same companies, let me break it down for you, intel? amd? hello?

acidfast7
Feb 24, 2011, 08:13 AM
Well I'm glad the physical look hasn't changed much. My 2010MBP will feel less out of date :rolleyes:

I have a 2008 unibody MacBook and it still looks up to date :P

paulro
Feb 24, 2011, 08:13 AM
oh no...

no the expected instant-on feature??
battery down 3 hrs?
still 2.04 kg??
still optical drive??

what the *, apple?!!!

Surely, if those are your main concerns, buy a Macbook Air ?

GodWhomIsMike
Feb 24, 2011, 08:13 AM
I am sorry to hear that, but what did you expect?

MBP 13 starts off with 320 GB HDD. Apple cannot afford to put in 320GB SSD with price tag of 1199 dollars.

MBP go as high as 750GB. Again, that's too much for apple to put in as SSD.

They had to make a choice.

IF you want more performance, you have to give up storage. If you want to have a storage, then performance goes away.

Apple cannot get away with what they did with MBA on MBP. 64GB, 128, or even 256 GB SSD is not enough for pro users.

You know, they could have used 7200 rpm drive, which are almost exactly the same pricing as their 5400 rpm version. Why not just use WD Scorpio Black drives? 5400rpm driving on $1100+ is bad, and when used on $2000+ laptops it is just insulting.

andy845
Feb 24, 2011, 08:13 AM
agreed on the difference on 'specs' of the processor, but for the cost between the two mechines and still no blue-ray in sight nor 1080p, its a massive SAVE! no?

They are expensive, no doubt or argument from me there. But then that's no real surprise is it? You've always been able to buy equivalent parts from other vendors for about 2/3rds the cost. I do think apple have been slightly gready with

a) the default screen res
b) the default graphics cards.
c) the 13" is weak compared to other manufacturers and is overpriced even for apple.

Both these should be higher spec at this price point.

Overall though no real surprise on the prices/spec, typically apple, and some nice improvements all round.

AppleGoddess
Feb 24, 2011, 08:13 AM
Can't wait for iPad2

Fraaaa
Feb 24, 2011, 08:14 AM
wow only 7 hour battery life that sucks

wtf??? what is this crap??? 7 hours battery time on the 13"

is it me, or has the quoted battery life gone down from ten hours to seven?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#battery

They changed their test since the new MBA to be more realistic, at least this is my explanation.

Apple is using a new, more rigorous battery test that measures the results you can expect in the real world — like surfing your favourite sites in a coffee shop or catching up on the latest web videos. Even using this new test, MacBook Pro delivers amazing battery life. For your real life.

Wireless web testing conducted by Apple in February 2011 using pre-production 2.2GHz quad-core Intel Core i7–based 15-inch MacBook Pro units. The wireless web test measures battery life by wirelessly browsing 25 popular websites with display brightness set to 50%. Battery life varies by use and configuration. See www.apple.com/uk/batteries for more information.

surma884
Feb 24, 2011, 08:14 AM
I am loving the new specs. It would have been perfect if the resolution was 1650 by default, but sadly it is not. :( I like that they went with AMD for the graphics and bumped up the CPU to quad core on the 15" and 17". I will be putting my order in April for this.

manu chao
Feb 24, 2011, 08:15 AM
wow only 7 hour battery life that sucks
Possibly because the 13" now has a discrete graphic card.

FuFuFu
Feb 24, 2011, 08:15 AM
where is my ****ing instant on feature ??? ...

GodWhomIsMike
Feb 24, 2011, 08:15 AM
The battery life was already cut 3 hours. I don't know if people would rather have a faster HDD or longer battery life.

What's the point of these fast processors, if you are always going to be bottlenecked at the hard drive? Quad-core with a 5400rpm hard drive is such a useless combo. You have all this processing power, but the machine can't pull the data off the hard drive at anything but a snail's pace.

Black.Infinity
Feb 24, 2011, 08:15 AM
never thought apple would put quad core in their notebooks woowww apple thanks :)

happy birth day stevee :apple::apple::apple::)



amazing they put i5 and i7 in 13


do you guys remember those days we were mad at apple why there is no usb3

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

they just had a better surprise for us;)


:D:D:D:D

KPOM
Feb 24, 2011, 08:15 AM
No Quad core 13" ...meh...

No, but the 2.7GHz is the core i7. That's a great leap from the Core 2 Duo in the outgoing 13" MacBook Pro. While the graphics are a step backward, overall the new 13" Pro is a more compelling purchase than the previous model. The processor is significantly faster and the Thunderbolt port is a nice addition. It's too bad they couldn't get the weight down. Perhaps that's for the "total redesign" in 2012.

KumaYama
Feb 24, 2011, 08:16 AM
You dont get it. 6 hours ago you could pick up a 13" laptop from Apple for £700. The 13" model has received a very minimal refresh, yet has gone up in price dramatically. Apple raised it from £600 to £700 about a month ago when UK Tax increased 2.5%.

They are abusing the situation BIG TIME. Even with tax added on, the new 13" model shouldn't have gone above £899.

Where are the UK prices listed? The online store is still down...

Itching to find out cos I was able to afford a 15" with high specs before, not sure if I'll be able to stretch to that now.

Cheers.

peacefulfire
Feb 24, 2011, 08:16 AM
Between 15" and 17" one of the difference is SDXC and ExpressCard/34.

Any pointers to SDXC v/s ExpressCard/34 comparison?

slicecom
Feb 24, 2011, 08:16 AM
Still no hi-res display in the 13"!? Looks like I'm waiting until the next version...

tdream
Feb 24, 2011, 08:16 AM
LoL @ the people moving from a 13 inch to the 15 just to get better specs. :apple:'s incremental ploy works again. Welcome to the rape. The 15 inch prices are stratospherically high in comparison to everything else on the market. No I'll get one of those G3 Intel SSDs which will make everything feel faster that this lame update.

AppleChap
Feb 24, 2011, 08:16 AM
It's been quite some time since I bought a new computer. Currently have a RevA (or as I prefer to call it, Revolutionar-A) MacBook Air and C2D Alu iMac. Both generally fine though it's time to update, was planning to around May. However, I have an insurance claim finishing up and thought I may as well use that. Such a shame the "good" stuff is BTO - the hi-res screen on the 15" particularly. If that was standard... hubba hubba. Obviously, an insurance claim store credit will be for a normal store, not Apple, so not BTO options. Damn it!

13" was my most likely choice anyway. Is the screen in the MacBook Air 13" of the same quality as the 13" Pro? Or is it a higher res, but inferior display?

mdriftmeyer
Feb 24, 2011, 08:17 AM
Wow! This will be my first new Mac in several years. Having AMD is a sweet touch. Glad I bought stock about two months prior into AMD.

troller
Feb 24, 2011, 08:17 AM
It's not uncommon for Apple products... Look at the AppStore, the iTunes store, etc.. The price around the world are always higher than in the US.

Look at the iPhone...

Most of this crap is produced for less than half of the price in asian countries and shipped to the US....so this makes no sense, sorry! They are overpriced like ****!

danyadd
Feb 24, 2011, 08:18 AM
No!!!
The Blu-Ray drive is still missing !!!

kingh
Feb 24, 2011, 08:18 AM
Do you think the difference between the lower end and the upper end 13 inch models is worth the price?

I really like the extra hard drive space, but how big is the difference between an i5 and i7? Is it worth it?

sunny1985
Feb 24, 2011, 08:18 AM
They are expensive, no doubt or argument from me there. But then that's no real surprise is it? You've always been able to buy equivalent parts from other vendors for about 2/3rds the cost. I do think apple have been slightly gready with

a) the default screen res
b) the default graphics cards.
c) the 13" is weak compared to other manufacturers and is overpriced even for apple.

Both these should be higher spec at this price point.

Overall though no real surprise on the prices/spec, typically apple, and some nice improvements all round.

personally, i HATE greedy people with a passion! people out there dont have jobs, money etc.

Apple is the new BP! all take no give! Perfect example now, they are charging to use Facetime on the MPB, charging LOL. ok the cost is only .59p but comon thats really PATHETIC!

gooner44
Feb 24, 2011, 08:18 AM
Gonna jump on the 15" high spec, but question is, do I get the Cinema Display now, or wait to see if they update it, with 'thunderbolt' - (so classy that name! :p)

genosseinski
Feb 24, 2011, 08:18 AM
I am waiting for the new MacBook Air 13" (probably October '11). It will include the same nice resolution (unless Apple downgrades like they did with the battery now :o ), Thunderbolt port with devices available, SSD and no space-wasting optical drive, Lion etc.

The more I think of it, the MBA becomes more and more attractive. I don't really see any advantages of the MBP over MBA, except CPU speed and an IO port which still lacks devices...

guzhogi
Feb 24, 2011, 08:18 AM
Nice update, but I think I'll wait. My current MBP (2.5 GHz Penryn I think) is working fine for me at the moment.

Wonder if Apple will update its external displays to use the new Thunderbolt. Instead of having to plug in DisplayPort AND USB, just plug in Thunderbolt. That way, you get both the video & USB over the same cable. I hope thunderbolt catches on.

manu chao
Feb 24, 2011, 08:19 AM
Used to be 10 hours for the 13-inch and 8-hours for the 15-inch.

Unless the 6490M turns out to benchmark much higher than the 330M GT I'm keeping my 15" for now...
Is there a trick to force the new MBP to only use the integrated graphics in order to get back to the battery times of the models which only had integrated graphics (ie, the 2009/2010 13" and low-end 15")?

BiTE
Feb 24, 2011, 08:19 AM
I'm new to MacBooks but getting one soon. Is it possible to replace the HDD in a MBP if you know what your doing?

I've taken apart and repaired numerous of PC laptops as part of my job but never touched a MBP.

zigzagable
Feb 24, 2011, 08:19 AM
is it me, or has the quoted battery life gone down from ten hours to seven?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#battery

yeah i noticed that too. im pissed. not to mention the update in general pisses me off.

tdream
Feb 24, 2011, 08:19 AM
Possibly because the 13" now has a discrete graphic card.

No it doesn't only the 15 inch and up has discrete graphcis.

atherrien
Feb 24, 2011, 08:19 AM
wtf??? what is this crap??? 7 hours battery time on the 13"

Sorry if this is a double-post, my computer has been acting up lately.


anyway, i believe it says 7 hours now because they use more rigorous testing.

ghostlyorb
Feb 24, 2011, 08:19 AM
I'm speechless. I've been waiting for Quad-core forever. NOW it's here! Thank you that I start college this fall.. so new computer time!

NightFox
Feb 24, 2011, 08:20 AM
You dont get it. 6 hours ago you could pick up a 13" laptop from Apple for £700. The 13" model has received a very minimal refresh, yet has gone up in price dramatically. Apple raised it from £600 to £700 about a month ago when UK Tax increased 2.5%.

They are abusing the situation BIG TIME. Even with tax added on, the new 13" model shouldn't have gone above £899.

Yes I do. People always moan that we get shafted in the UK because they compare Apple's pre-tax US prices with taxed UK prices, and they make comparisons using middle exchange rates of the day that are simply a mid-point between buy and sell rates and also don't reflect currency volatility.

APMacLover
Feb 24, 2011, 08:20 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

I noticed that the battery life went down to 7 hours in all models. For those of you who have the 2010 13" model, did it really get up to 10 hours of battery?

JuiceyJuice
Feb 24, 2011, 08:21 AM
Can you use the SDXC card drive on the 13" and 15" as an SSD Boot Drive???

duelingdragons
Feb 24, 2011, 08:21 AM
This is a joke. How can you release an update for a computer and at the same time, not increase screen resolution, and decrease battery life?

How on God's Earth is the 13" MBP still shipping with a 1280 x 800 screen.
Obviously 1440 x 900 is possible (see MBA).

I sold my 2010 13" MBP in anticipation of a 1440 x 900 one today. Looks like I'm just going to go get a Macbook Air now. This is ridiculous.

Sudaddy
Feb 24, 2011, 08:21 AM
Apple Store is down at the moment.

For those who want to take a peak at the new MacBook Pro, go here - http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

gigi11192
Feb 24, 2011, 08:21 AM
Surely, if those are your main concerns, buy a Macbook Air ?

the next AIR would be nice,

this update is surely worth it but why the battery goes worse than before>>>???

LegendKillerUK
Feb 24, 2011, 08:21 AM
What absolute *******s.

They really screwed the UK over with this.

USD Price for the LOWEST spec one: $1199

This converts to GBP at £740 (todays rate)

Apple are selling it for £999! :eek:

You'd have to be a complete moron to be willing to pay that for such a poor spec 13" model!

They really are taking the piss big time with those prices. For another £300 you can buy a Mac Pro for goodness sake!

Remember the USD prices are without tax as that varies state by state, also remember we now have 20%:rolleyes:

I'm in Canada for another 5 months so may pick one up at 13% tax, but would not pay for that back in Blighty.

skmiller22
Feb 24, 2011, 08:21 AM
Will the onboard Intel HD 3000 in the 13" run 1080p videos with no problem?

Fraaaa
Feb 24, 2011, 08:22 AM
I am waiting for the new MacBook Air 13" (probably October '11). It will include the same nice resolution (unless Apple downgrades like they did with the battery now :o ), Thunderbolt port with devices available, SSD and no space-wasting optical drive, Lion etc.

The more I think of it, the MBA becomes more and more attractive. I don't really see any advantages of the MBP over MBA, except CPU speed and an IO port which still lacks devices...

I'm good with my C2D MBA 13", great machine. However, I'm waiting for MBA+Lion+LP+Ivy Bridge combo: it's going to be amazing.

orfeas0
Feb 24, 2011, 08:22 AM
Surely, if those are your main concerns, buy a Macbook Air ?

MBA: The future of macbooks.
What's that about? Where's our future? I see nothing new on the mbp that was taken from the air. To be honest i see nothing new on the mbp exept light peak, but still... big whoop...

rmwebs
Feb 24, 2011, 08:22 AM
Where are the UK prices listed? The online store is still down...

Itching to find out cos I was able to afford a 15" with high specs before, not sure if I'll be able to stretch to that now.

Cheers.

http://www.apple.com/uk/

Should be on the homepage or the MacBook page ;)

pruhawk
Feb 24, 2011, 08:22 AM
Order your 13" MBA soon before they sell out!

puma1552
Feb 24, 2011, 08:23 AM
--No 8 GB RAM BTO option?
--No 7200 RPM HDD BTO option?
--No SSD BTO option?

And for the 13" people,

--No 1440x900 res BTO option?


The lack of RAM/HDD/SSD options has got to be a typo...?

tomesi
Feb 24, 2011, 08:23 AM
WTF!?

Am i right that there are no more backlit-keyboards in the Macbooks !?!?

QTime
Feb 24, 2011, 08:24 AM
WTF!?

Am i right that there are no more backlit-keyboards in the Macbooks !?!?

nop, your not right. all books have backlit.

andy845
Feb 24, 2011, 08:24 AM
personally, i HATE greedy people with a passion! people out there dont have jobs, money etc.

Apple is the new BP! all take no give! Perfect example now, they are charging to use Facetime on the MPB, charging LOL. ok the cost is only .59p but comon thats really PATHETIC!

It's a premium product, there will always be cheaper alternatives. What they must be careful of is that it remains premium and doesn't start to be seen as overpriced for what your getting. People are happy to pay a little extra for what is seen as the premium brand, but people will not stand to be blatantly ripped off. Apple are at the outer limit of their pricing in my opinion, and some (esp external to U.S) will feel they are asking too much here.

bboylayz
Feb 24, 2011, 08:25 AM
In theory with Thunderbolt's 10gb/s bandwidth, how many 2560x1600 displays can you daisy chain? My dream is to have 2 maybe 3 of those. I have 3 1920x1200 monitors hooked up to my early 2008 MBP, (one DVI, and the other two using one of those USB to DVI devices - terrible refresh rate but great for static content).

Won't a single 2560x1600 display effectively eat up the majority of that 10gb/s? When I heard about lightpeak, I was excited cause I thought they'd be running a bunch of ports, not just one.

gox81
Feb 24, 2011, 08:25 AM
13-inch. Starts at $1199. 15-inch. Starts at $1799. 17-inch. Starts at $2499.

13-inch. Starts from € 1.149. 15-inch. Starts from € 1.749. 17-inch. Starts from € 2.499.

Who else thinks this is just wrong? 1 U.S. dollar = 0.72 Euros

yeah seriously, converted to €, the high end 15" would cost a little more than the high end 13" in europe.. :p

314631
Feb 24, 2011, 08:26 AM
This is a joke. How can you release an update for a computer and at the same time, not increase screen resolution, and decrease battery life?

How on God's Earth is the 13" MBP still shipping with a 1280 x 800 screen.
Obviously 1440 x 900 is possible (see MBA).

I sold my 2010 13" MBP in anticipation of a 1440 x 900 one today. Looks like I'm just going to go get a Macbook Air now. This is ridiculous.

I think Apple has done you a favor to be honest. :) The MacBook Air is a great machine. I thought the slow CPU would be a real problem for me. It's not. I can do all my creative suite stuff on there quite comfortably, and I love the 1440x900 display. And the machine is ridiculously light.

rkw0211
Feb 24, 2011, 08:26 AM
2,3GHZ core i3 thats nothing faster than the previous C2D 2,4Ghz.
It's just a new name for almost the same processor

Are you serious? Sandy Bridge will absolutely annihilate any Core 2 processor, regardless of clock speed or number of cores. And on top of that, they have Hyperthreading.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/49?vs=287

Here's a comparison of a desktop Core 2 Quad to a Sandy Bridge i7. Not even close.

aristokrat
Feb 24, 2011, 08:26 AM
What absolute *******s.

They really screwed the UK over with this.

USD Price for the LOWEST spec one: $1199

This converts to GBP at £740 (todays rate)

Apple are selling it for £999! :eek:

You'd have to be a complete moron to be willing to pay that for such a poor spec 13" model!

They really are taking the piss big time with those prices. For another £300 you can buy a Mac Pro for goodness sake!

I'm pretty sure your prices include your ridiculously high VAT, ours do not include any tax (which will be added to the final price). Also, if you want to get mad at someone, I'd bet your protectionary import tariffs probably have something to do with higher costs to Apple as well.

Someone has to pay for the NHS, why not you!

Eorlas
Feb 24, 2011, 08:27 AM
I'm so glad that I bought my 13" for the 2010 refresh when it had a GOOD graphics card in it.

The new 15/17 's look nice though, albeit expensive. Never heard of those nvidia cards before.

GodWhomIsMike
Feb 24, 2011, 08:27 AM
Well, with specs like those, I am happy with the white Macbook work gave me in December. They bought me the Macbook, plus 8GB DDR3 ram and a 500GB 7200rpm WD Scorpio Black drive for it. Yes, it is only a C2D running at 2.4 GHz, but I wouldn't have noticed much of a speed difference because the Core i5 and Core i7 processors in the new MBP computers are going to be bottleneck by being mated to a much slower 5400 rpm hard drive.

Mine is more than powerful enough for now. Yes, that 15" MBP is drool worthy (as I can alway upgrade the HD and RAM myself), but with a new house, paying for grad school at night, car payments, and other expenses - there is no 15" MBP in my future.

My 13" 2.4 GHz MB with 8GB DDR3 ram and 500GB 7200rpm hard drive is more than powerful enough to display to its own 13" LCD and also output to an external 22" monitor, while running several apps, and Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine with Visual Studio 2008 running.

duelingdragons
Feb 24, 2011, 08:27 AM
The 13" update is literally a joke. It's really like Apple hates the 13" size. They didn't give the 13" new processors last year, and this year, they **** on it again by not bumping the resolution.

I guess they're going to push towards the 13" MBA as the 13" of the future.

mdriftmeyer
Feb 24, 2011, 08:28 AM
LoL @ the people moving from a 13 inch to the 15 just to get better specs. :apple:'s incremental ploy works again. Welcome to the rape. The 15 inch prices are stratospherically high in comparison to everything else on the market. No I'll get one of those G3 Intel SSDs which will make everything feel faster that this lame update.

The AMD Radeon HD 6750M graphics processor with 1GB of GDDR5 memory on 2.2GHz configuration is a big deal to anyone working with OpenCL. That one is of interest to my needs.

orfeas0
Feb 24, 2011, 08:28 AM
Did anyone else notice that the macbook's breathing light is gone? Or is the infrared port gone?

mowry
Feb 24, 2011, 08:28 AM
It looks like Intel will also call the new interface Thunderbolt.

http://mlowry.blogspot.com/2011/02/apple-and-intel-announce-thunderbolt.html

genosseinski
Feb 24, 2011, 08:28 AM
I'm good with my C2D MBA 13", great machine. However, I'm waiting for MBA+Lion+LP+Ivy Bridge combo: it's going to be amazing.

+1

same here. Apple will def. have to include LP+Lion, I wonder how they're going to milk the cow after the next MBA update :rolleyes:
So I'll wait and get a MBA. Today's 13" update is not good enough, although it's not as horrendous as some people claim (come on they have i5s ;) ), but it's just not much better than the last one. They had a years time to improve, and they did little.

zorinlynx
Feb 24, 2011, 08:28 AM
I should have you note that Apple notebooks have been cheaper lately than they've been in YEARS.

Back in 2003, to pick up a 15" Powerbook G4 you had to START at $2500 for a decent system!

Now you can get a 15" Macbook Pro for $1700 and on top of that, the dollar isn't worth as much as it used to be so it's even less.

Stop bitching about pricing, people. And you can't compare Macbooks to cheap flimsy plasticy Dell/HP stuff. I'm sorry, but no.

Edit for those who don't believe me: http://web.archive.org/web/20030402060702/www.apple.com/powerbook/index15.html

tomesi
Feb 24, 2011, 08:28 AM
nop, your not right. all books have backlit.

Oh, i see. But in the german tech-specs of the new MBP they forgot to write that. Nothing there about "Hintergrundbeleuchtung" (<-backlit).
But, luckily in the english specs they wrote "backlit keyboard".

Damn, that was a shock for me :-)

acedickson
Feb 24, 2011, 08:29 AM
--No 8 GB RAM BTO option?
--No 7200 RPM HDD BTO option?
--No SSD BTO option?

And for the 13" people,

--No 1440x900 res BTO option?


The lack of RAM/HDD/SSD options has got to be a typo...?

They will all be there, except for 13" display, and overpriced as usual. Apple profits too much from those BTO options.

chrmjenkins
Feb 24, 2011, 08:29 AM
I'm so glad that I bought my 13" for the 2010 refresh when it had a GOOD graphics card in it.

The new 15/17 's look nice though, albeit expensive. Never heard of those nvidia cards before.

The 3000 has comparable performance to the 320M.

That being said, the top quad core can't be the 2720M. That part only has 6 MB of cache. It's a 2820M.

edit: I don't know if I misread or the story was wrong on the above, but I thought the original story had said the 2720M had 8MB of cache, which wasn't true.

evren
Feb 24, 2011, 08:29 AM
Where are the UK prices listed? The online store is still down...

Itching to find out cos I was able to afford a 15" with high specs before, not sure if I'll be able to stretch to that now.

Cheers.

Check here KumaYama:

http://www.apple.com/uk/macbookpro/specs-compare.html

I found this refresh bit disappointing purely because of AMD 6490 with 256 MB - I really doubt this GPU will be significantly faster than Intel's HD 3000 and although shared and slower than GDDR5 memory on AMD, Intel HD 3000 has more memory available. I am not sure whether this will help with the graphics performance at all or not.

:(

ghostlyorb
Feb 24, 2011, 08:30 AM
is it me, or has the quoted battery life gone down from ten hours to seven?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#battery

10 Hours was for the 13". Unless you're talking about the 13", then I'm not sure.

Supernew
Feb 24, 2011, 08:30 AM
are they thinner than the previous ones??

uv23
Feb 24, 2011, 08:30 AM
I'm confounded and supremely irritated that there is no HD option in the 13" MBP, when its so clearly available in the MBA.

zigzagable
Feb 24, 2011, 08:30 AM
the real question now is, whether to get this minor update, or wait 6 months and get a complete update/redesign. this is my first mb and im the type of person who needs to have the latest and greatest. so, should i wait it out till the next complete update (which will probably be in 6 or so months) or jump on it now and probably kick myself 6 months from now when theres a huge update and im stuck with last generation? :confused: :confused: :confused:

MacHiavelli
Feb 24, 2011, 08:31 AM
WTF!?

Am i right that there are no more backlit-keyboards in the Macbooks !?!?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html
Full-size backlit keyboard with 78 (U.S.) or 79 (ISO) keys, including 12 function keys and 4 arrow keys (inverted “T” arrangement)

jdg9999999
Feb 24, 2011, 08:32 AM
Excited to buy my new MBP 17''... but why is the store still down? I dont remember the last time they announced what was coming out (on the website) but still kept the store down. Any chance they could be coming out or updating anything else?????

whyzdom
Feb 24, 2011, 08:32 AM
I'm new to MacBooks but getting one soon. Is it possible to replace the HDD in a MBP if you know what your doing?

I've taken apart and repaired numerous of PC laptops as part of my job but never touched a MBP.

Upgrading Ram and the HDD (SSD) are easy and do NOT void the warranty.

An easy site to go by is http://www.ifixit.com

Mirai 11
Feb 24, 2011, 08:32 AM
All these announcements, i feel like Apple have given me a bottle of JD and i'm imagining seeing things such as 1549!! for the 15 inch pro!
I'm still gonna buy it, regardless now, i've waited a year already!

teasphere
Feb 24, 2011, 08:32 AM
I wanted to buy two MBPs now I am possibly going to buy a single last model C2D and wait for the 2012 refresh. Disappointing.

I was an easy new customer... now I'm pretty much out. Apple would have been better off just working to speed up the redesign and delay this release. I can't see these as anything but super transitional and rev 1 almost "beta."

I still need a Mac though. My plan is to go with the C2D 13" possibly two or one and a mini to get me through. Bummer.

All it would have taken:

13" with decent CPU and solid GPU.
Superdrive inside.
I would have killed to have a black/gunmetal/dark alu chassis.

Price, glossy/matte, SSD, Thundercat, none of that mattered to me.

KPOM
Feb 24, 2011, 08:32 AM
The 13" update is literally a joke. It's really like Apple hates the 13" size. They didn't give the 13" new processors last year, and this year, they **** on it again by not bumping the resolution.

I guess they're going to push towards the 13" MBA as the 13" of the future.

The available Core i7 is a very nice surprise. That said, I agree that they should have offered the 1440x900 screen. With an SSD, the 13" Pro with such a screen and a Core i7 would be very compelling.

ctdonath
Feb 24, 2011, 08:32 AM
personally, i HATE greedy people with a passion! ... they are charging to use Facetime on the MPB, charging LOL. ok the cost is only .59p

Uh-huh.

Stop yelling at the mirror.

kahkityoong
Feb 24, 2011, 08:32 AM
The top 15" MBP comes in AUD $200 cheaper than it's predecessor in Australia.

cmhsam
Feb 24, 2011, 08:33 AM
Any ideas when the Apple Stores will carry these new systems? I just walked into my local apple store and they dont have the systems for purchase.

The Man
Feb 24, 2011, 08:33 AM
Thunderbolt = awesome!

10Gbps, daisy chain, 10 watts power, compatible with every display via adapter! Sweet!

andrewsd
Feb 24, 2011, 08:34 AM
Noticed that too. Hoping either:

1) It was 7 hours before, and I'm misremembering.

2) It's a typo.

If the battery life for the 13-inch laptops has indeed *dropped* 3 hours, I'm totally skipping these.

NONONONO, They "Apple" just miscalculated how to messare the battery life on the previous model and had to adjust to more real world figures....You know sort of how they "miscalculated" attenea/singnal strenth relative to "bars" on aonther one of their products.....:rolleyes:


EDIT: I JUST SEE THAT IT SAYS UP TO 7 HOURS OF "WIRELESS WEB".
So maybe the 10 hours on the previous model was say word processing with wifi turned off....????

Also you are telling me I can get a better display on MBA?!?!?!?!:eek:

jbg232
Feb 24, 2011, 08:34 AM
A few comments on looking at the image below:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/203/compareyy.jpg

In RED - how do they justify charging 1799 for such an inferior chip in comparison?

In YELLOW - 1499 for this chip, really apple?

I still love my unibody macbook.

EDIT: just realized it was quad core... makes much more sense now

drake
Feb 24, 2011, 08:34 AM
For me, Apple never ceases to disappoint. They'll improve one thing, and downgrade another.

Storebrodern
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
Hi all,

I am a bit confused about the new GPU, it doesn't seem like much of an update. For graphic design and a bit of 3D modeling, is the 15" with 6490M 256 MB adequate? Or sould i go for the high-end option? Probably going for the high resolution screen as well btw.

ReadyEddie
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
I see that macbook pro got major hardware update, but is it still considered full update? I don't see any cosmetic update on this MBP version.

djxpress
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
Is there a trick to force the new MBP to only use the integrated graphics in order to get back to the battery times of the models which only had integrated graphics (ie, the 2009/2010 13" and low-end 15")?

Yea use gfxCardStatus

gnasher729
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
Enjoy your Dell then - I'll continue to enjoy my Macs

Did you notice how people in the UK always complain how expensive Macs are, because of 20% VAT, but when he tries to show how good a value this Dell is, he quotes the price without VAT?

£1,240 for 1.6 GHz. I think the £999 MBP 13" eats his Dell for breakfast :D

StealthGhost
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
You'll need to spend $2199 to play anything decent, even World of Warcraft (which they show on the site) at medium settings at the native resolution.

Battery Life has possibly gone down.

LightPeak, cool but it's not going to be used for a while.

No SSD boot drive.

No screen resolution increase.

No physical changes.


You really have to hate Windows something fierce to be ok with this...I honestly thought the $500 computer specs in a $1200 computer would end when the Core2Duo was replaced, but looks like it isn't. I really thought this was going to be my first Mac, looks like it won't be.

Are they putting this crap out as a place holder for a bigger refresh or is Apple just an iOS device maker now?

toddybody
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
Glad they blessed the 15 with great graphics and CPU...only gripes are the ODD, no base SSD, and underwhelming battery life (SB lower TDP should have assisted)...That would have been a knock out of the park:(

titans1127
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
So all the processors in all the models have the sandy bridge chips correct? Just want to make sure if I get a 13in model im not getting last years processor.

quickmac
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
is it me, or has the quoted battery life gone down from ten hours to seven?

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#battery

It says "up to 7 hours wireless web" whereas before it said "up to 10 hours battery life." I think this is likely an improvement, note that most "battery life estimates" are with most features turned off such as wireless. And Apple was guilty of this before. The wireless card can zap battery life, I suppose since more and more people are constantly "online" wirelessly that Apple chose to point out its 7 hours of battery with the WiFi connection on...impressive.


Overall a very nice spec increase, I'm wondering why they went from NVidia to AMD graphics (although they do use AMD in iMacs) on the laptops. Quad core is good to see and Thunderbolt is funny considering Apple continues to buck the USB 3.0 trend.

Would have been nice to get bigger hard drives and more RAM but I see they are trying to keep the price point around the same as before. Makes my mid-2009 Macbook Pro seem ancient but I suppose I'll wait another year or so to get a new one, maybe by then we'll also see a physical redesign of the laptop.

snakelda
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
Nice... but my previous generation 2.66GHz MacBook Pro will last me a few years still I think. :)

Still curious as to why lightpeak is integrated into the display port rather than the USB ports.I have the 2.53GHz Macbook Pro and this one will definitely last me for years to come.

trip1ex
Feb 24, 2011, 08:35 AM
the real question now is, whether to get this minor update, or wait 6 months and get a complete update/redesign. this is my first mb and im the type of person who needs to have the latest and greatest. so, should i wait it out till the next complete update (which will probably be in 6 or so months) or jump on it now and probably kick myself 6 months from now when theres a huge update and im stuck with last generation? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Welcome to the tech world. NO matter what you buy there will be a nicer newer model out with 1 year.

jdg9999999
Feb 24, 2011, 08:36 AM
A few comments on looking at the image below:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/203/compareyy.jpg

In RED - how do they justify charging 1799 for such an inferior chip in comparison?

In YELLOW - 1499 for this chip, really apple?

I still love my unibody macbook.

Dual/Quad qore

bboylayz
Feb 24, 2011, 08:36 AM
A few comments on looking at the image below:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/203/compareyy.jpg

In RED - how do they justify charging 1799 for such an inferior chip in comparison?

In YELLOW - 1499 for this chip, really apple?

I still love my unibody macbook.

1799 for the QUAD core

res1233
Feb 24, 2011, 08:36 AM
Two 10-Gbps channels on the same connector mean you can daisy-chain multiple high-speed devices and a display, without using a hub — and without reducing performance. Oh My God.