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nathanl1192
Feb 24, 2011, 09:46 AM
Sorry about previous poll, which did not work!

How much do you think Apple will charge for OS 10.7 Lion?



vincenz
Feb 24, 2011, 09:49 AM
Probably at least $100 if the other upgrades were any indication.

nathanl1192
Feb 24, 2011, 09:50 AM
Probably at least $100 if the other upgrades were any indication.

Yeah! I hope its around Snow Leopard Price though!

Tailpike1153
Feb 24, 2011, 09:51 AM
$50-$100 usd

Sky Blue
Feb 24, 2011, 09:59 AM
$129 as always (SL excluded)

Mal
Feb 24, 2011, 10:55 AM
I've said all along I suspect $79. I wouldn't be surprised to see $99, but it won't be $129 most likely.

jW

Davichi
Feb 24, 2011, 11:19 AM
79 dollars for single edition and 149 dollars for family edition.

Also, they might offer it cheaper if you buy it from Mac App Store.

Mal
Feb 24, 2011, 11:20 AM
79 dollars for single edition and 149 dollars for family edition.

Also, they might offer it cheaper if you buy it from Mac App Store.

Apple's never had that kinda percentage difference in the pricing. Previous versions were $129 and $179, and of course Snow Leopard was only $29 and $49. I think we're likely to see $79 and $99 for the single and family packs, maybe $79 and $119.

jW

LoganT
Feb 24, 2011, 11:50 AM
129 for Single
179 for Family

Remember, Snow Leopard was a tweaked version of Leopard, that's why it was only 29 dollars.

talmy
Feb 24, 2011, 12:30 PM
$29 and only from the Mac App Store, which means no physical media and you can use it on all your systems.

LoganT
Feb 24, 2011, 12:51 PM
$29 and only from the Mac App Store, which means no physical media and you can use it on all your systems.

But how would you reinstall Lion if it had to be downloaded from the App Store? Say you format your HD, are we supposed to install Snow Leopard then download Lion from the App Store to install it?

Or maybe Apple will allow us to burn it to a disk.

nick9191
Feb 24, 2011, 12:53 PM
$129.

talmy
Feb 24, 2011, 02:53 PM
But how would you reinstall Lion if it had to be downloaded from the App Store? Say you format your HD, are we supposed to install Snow Leopard then download Lion from the App Store to install it?

Or maybe Apple will allow us to burn it to a disk.

Thinking this through, maybe they won't do away with the disk quite yet. :)

But all the point releases (10.6.1, 10.6.2....) are done via the Internet or can be so this might be the preferred distribution method and available at reduced cost like some of Apple's other software is now.

rorschach
Feb 24, 2011, 03:11 PM
$99. It won't be as cheap as Snow Leopard but I'm betting they cut the price this time around, especially if it's distributed via the Mac App Store -- which would be awesome if it was.

Davichi
Feb 24, 2011, 04:59 PM
If it goes higher than 99 dollars, then they can just forget it. I can just buy developer's account for 99 dollars and get a free copy of lion from apple.

ajvizzgamer101
Feb 24, 2011, 06:41 PM
I really can't see this being more than 50 dollars.

MRiOS
Feb 24, 2011, 10:42 PM
I'd say $79, but perhaps this time they will do away with the disc and simply sell it on a USB key. It makes sense, especially with the newer Macbook Airs and the way Apple seems to be trying to move away from Optical disc formats.

rorschach
Feb 25, 2011, 02:46 AM
I'd say $79, but perhaps this time they will do away with the disc and simply sell it on a USB key. It makes sense, especially with the newer Macbook Airs and the way Apple seems to be trying to move away from Optical disc formats.

And/or the Mac App Store. Seems to me that distributing the developer seeds that way is a way for them to test it.

logandzwon
Feb 25, 2011, 08:09 AM
I'd say $79, but perhaps this time they will do away with the disc and simply sell it on a USB key. It makes sense, especially with the newer Macbook Airs and the way Apple seems to be trying to move away from Optical disc formats.

-Optical disc is a zombie.
-I love the USB key!

yellow
Feb 25, 2011, 08:11 AM
$69 EDU pricing, $129 Regular.

Don't see any reason why Apple would deviate from previous iterations and offerings (note: 10.6 was really what 10.5 should have been at release, hence the much lower price point).

mrkramer
Feb 25, 2011, 08:14 AM
$129 as always (SL excluded)

I can pretty much guarantee it will be less then $100, since that is what it costs to be a registered developer and they get a free copy. My guess is around $50, and maybe $75 or $100 for the family pack.

kainjow
Feb 26, 2011, 03:32 PM
$29 and only from the Mac App Store, which means no physical media and you can use it on all your systems.

I think this is the way they'll go, with the ability to burn it to a disk.

I'm on the fence as to whether or not they'll actually sell the upgrade as a physical disc.

ovrlrd
Feb 26, 2011, 04:05 PM
My guess is it will be $70 if you buy it off the Mac App Store, and $100 elsewhere.

The Mac App Store version will be the "upgrade" version since you can only buy it if you have Snow Leopard anyway (since no earlier version of OS X can run MAS).

Seems like it would make the most sense considering Apple's other "discounted" software on the Mac App Store. They would also want to encourage people to buy it off the Mac App Store so they don't have to produce as many copies of it to sell in stores. Despite the cost of bandwidth, it would still be cheaper for Apple to sell on the Mac App Store than through retail.

Oh and the retail version will come on a USB stick instead of an optical disc, which would further encourage Apple to discount the MAS version to reduce the production cost of the retail version.

QuarterSwede
Feb 26, 2011, 04:19 PM
I can pretty much guarantee it will be less then $100, since that is what it costs to be a registered developer and they get a free copy.
It's always been that way and besides SL, OS X has always been $129 for single user license and $149 for the family pack.

The only reason to lower the price now is if they distribute it via App Store. I'm not sure they ought to yet simply because the devs just about took down the servers downloading the dev Lion preview. I can't imagine what tens of thousands of users, if not much more, would do all at once.

chrismacguy
Feb 26, 2011, 04:19 PM
My guess is it will be $70 if you buy it off the Mac App Store, and $100 elsewhere.

The Mac App Store version will be the "upgrade" version since you can only buy it if you have Snow Leopard anyway (since no earlier version of OS X can run MAS).

Seems like it would make the most sense considering Apple's other "discounted" software on the Mac App Store. They would also want to encourage people to buy it off the Mac App Store so they don't have to produce as many copies of it to sell in stores. Despite the cost of bandwidth, it would still be cheaper for Apple to sell on the Mac App Store than through retail.

Oh and the retail version will come on a USB stick instead of an optical disc, which would further encourage Apple to discount the MAS version to reduce the production cost of the retail version.

It will be $99 from the App Store and $129 in a box, on USB so my MBA can use it. Also, the developer program AFAIK doesnt give you the released OS for free, it gives you access to the pre-release only.

HONDAxACURA
Feb 26, 2011, 04:20 PM
Doesn't seem too big of a difference from SL. The more fancy interface. Don't get me wrong, I think the new interface is great. Until Apple shows us more features, I'm going to say $29 for now. $39 at most.

Definitely might be over the air install. Apple is going green.

WeegieMac
Feb 26, 2011, 04:26 PM
Snow Leopard has set a dangerous precedent, because now ungrateful people expect Lion to come in at the same price.

Reality check people, Snow Leopard was nothing more than a performance tweak to Leopard, not an entirely new OS/update.

Lion will, in all likelihood, cost the usual $129/89.

If it's anything lower, I'll be very surprised.

CarsonGallo
Feb 27, 2011, 12:33 AM
Hallo Apple said that there gonna be taking the best of iOS and bringing it to th Mac. And what did they just start doing with iOS 4. Free Updates! Mac OS Lion will be FREE! I mean it makes total sense. Obviously if there is a disk version THAT won't be free. But to entice people to use the digital way, they'll make the diskless version free. I mean, the only reason he new iLife cost money to rebuy was because there wasn't a previous digital version to update from. But I guess that still doesn't explain why FaceTime is being sold for a buck then I guess. All well maybe Apple will just sell it for a buck then maybe if not free.

Steve Ballmer
Feb 27, 2011, 12:35 AM
I imagine it will be $129, the usual Mac OS X save for 10.1 and 10.6.

Steve Ballmer
Feb 27, 2011, 12:35 AM
Hallo Apple said that there gonna be taking the best of iOS and bringing it to th Mac. And what did they just start doing with iOS 4. Free Updates! Mac OS Lion will be FREE! I mean it makes total sense. Obviously if there is a disk version THAT won't be free. But to entice people to use the digital way, they'll make the diskless version free. I mean, the only reason he new iLife cost money to rebuy was because there wasn't a previous digital version to update from. But I guess that still doesn't explain why FaceTime is being sold for a buck then I guess. All well maybe Apple will just sell it for a buck then maybe if not free.
No.

osx11
Mar 19, 2011, 12:11 AM
More and more people are using Mac OS, so Apple will reduce the price over time.

I suspect standard price of $49.99, with the App Store charging $39.99.

I don't think Apple needs to charge as much as it did for Leopard because there are more users now and I think it's not going to be that much of a redesign.

bedifferent
Mar 19, 2011, 01:07 AM
$69 EDU pricing, $129 Regular.

Don't see any reason why Apple would deviate from previous iterations and offerings (note: 10.6 was really what 10.5 should have been at release, hence the much lower price point).

This. $129 has been the usual pricing for a 10.X OS (Snow Leopard was $29 as it was a "Leopard" rendition with "under the hood" changes, making it appeal more to consumers who lack the knowledge of "under the hood" rewrites and look mainly for "features" which Leopard had).

Personally, I keep all my software on another drive, I have not purchased a DVD package in over four years. I have 109 applications, OS's including Windows Vista and 7 Ultimate/Home/x86/x64, etc. and it takes up 186.67 GB's, and it's also backed up via "Time Machine". This is well over the average consumer (I have a lot of "hackint0sh" software and many other programs the general consumer wouldn't need). Apple has been pushing for physical-free/wireless media for a while, and now they are pushing it for applications. This is the first time a beta was released through an app store. From what I gather, it will be offered at a discounted price via the app store and the standard $129 for the DVD. Most if not all companies email purchase receipts for software bought online, allowing you to re-download it if you must.

Truthfully, aside from your main HDD, "Time Machine" HDD and external drive with your applications crashing at once (and don't try the house fire excuse, your physical data would be DOD as well), there's little reason for physical media. The large Lion beta took less than 10 minutes for me to download on a standard Time Warner ISP connection. Times are changing.

baryon
Mar 19, 2011, 07:42 AM
I think 27 was okay for Snow Leopard. Apple's reason for that price wasn't that "it's almost like Leopard and there aren't many changed in it", it was "we want everyone to upgrade to Snow Leopard". Following that logic, wouldn't they want everyone to upgrade to Lion? They never said price reflected the amount of new stuff in the OS, they said it reflects how badly they need people to adopt it (for developers to transition to new APIs and stuff like that).

wnorris
Mar 19, 2011, 08:09 AM
Doesn't seem too big of a difference from SL. The more fancy interface. Don't get me wrong, I think the new interface is great. Until Apple shows us more features, I'm going to say $29 for now. $39 at most.

Agreed. If they had not offered the App Store early they could have asked for more. Having used Lion for a few weeks I do not see any killer feature over SL. There are a lot of nice additions and added polish, but nothing to write home about. It seems as if their development efforts are gearing OS X to be more touch friendly. Others here may disagree, but I would have a very hard time paying $129 for Lion.

Although, I am looking forward to playing around with Lion Server.

bedifferent
Mar 19, 2011, 09:33 AM
I think 27 was okay for Snow Leopard. Apple's reason for that price wasn't that "it's almost like Leopard and there aren't many changed in it", it was "we want everyone to upgrade to Snow Leopard". Following that logic, wouldn't they want everyone to upgrade to Lion? They never said price reflected the amount of new stuff in the OS, they said it reflects how badly they need people to adopt it (for developers to transition to new APIs and stuff like that).

Remember, Apple gave that $29 price only if you had Leopard previously installed. Otherwise you had to buy the box set that included iLife and iWork with Snow Leopard for $129

Snow Leopard via Apple's Site (http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html)

Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.
If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set (http://www.apple.com/macboxset/requirements.html), which is a single, affordable package that includes Mac OS X v10.6.3 Snow Leopard; iLife, with the latest versions of iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD; and iWork, Apple’s productivity suite for home and office including Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.

Box Set on Apple's site for $129 (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC680Z/A)

Of course not many followed that regulation and simply told Apple floor specialists that they already owned Snow Leopard and paid $29 instead of $129. It's been common practice for Apple to charge $129 for their 10.X updates, with the exception of 10.1. Apple didn't charge a full premium for Leopard as:

The company continued that line today. "We love Leopard, we're so proud of it [that] we decided to build upon Leopard," said Bertrand Serlet, senior vice president of software engineering. "We want to build a better Leopard, hence Snow Leopard."

10.7 Lion is a completely different OS with new features, not just a re-write of Snow Leopard.

baryon
Mar 19, 2011, 09:54 AM
Remember, Apple gave that $29 price only if you had Leopard previously installed. Otherwise you had to buy the box set that included iLife and iWork with Snow Leopard for $129

That's just what Apple said, but the Snow Leopard install DVD works regardless of what OS you have on your machine, and this has been confirmed. It can also be installed on an empty hard drive. It was just obscure advertising on Apple's part... You could go to the Apple store and say "I'd like to buy Snow Leopard", and they'd give you the disc, they didn't ask me at least whether I had Leopard or not. I think they didn't really care much, but they wanted those who didn't really do much research to buy the full set.

bedifferent
Mar 19, 2011, 10:01 AM
That's just what Apple said, but the Snow Leopard install DVD works regardless of what OS you have on your machine, and this has been confirmed. It can also be installed on an empty hard drive. It was just obscure advertising on Apple's part...

Yeah, Snow Leopard is a full DVD and can be used on an empty system. I was asked by the sales rep, who just laughed it off. Still, I don't expect Lion to be anything less than the usual $129.

Jayrcee
Mar 19, 2011, 11:21 PM
Probably around $100.

mysterytramp
Mar 19, 2011, 11:55 PM
I voted for it to be expensive, because of earlier releases, but I think I was wrong. The cost will be nominal -- easily less than $50, and probably something like $9.99 or $19.99.

Reasons:

1) Apple will capitalize on the App Store as a distribution channel, reducing costs wildly.

2) Apple will want a PR victory over Microsoft especially with Jobs on medical leave. A new operating system with new features -- Versions and Air Drop look really cool -- at a ridiculously low price will keep people's attention away from other issues with the company.

3) Related to the PR issue, there's sure to be someone on CNBC or Fox Business who will wonder why the iPhone gets free upgrades but Apple's desktop and laptop computers don't. There are probably good reasons for that, but rather than answer the question, it's better that the question never get asked.

4) They still have all that cash.

mt

axu539
Mar 20, 2011, 11:44 AM
Also, the developer program AFAIK doesnt give you the released OS for free, it gives you access to the pre-release only.

Do you have sources for this? I'm considering signing up for a Mac Dev account, and doing some hobbyist developing (more of just a learning experience). If it doesn't get me a full version at the end though, I won't bother, as $100 would be a little much for me to just play around with.

mrsir2009
Mar 20, 2011, 12:37 PM
$80-$120. However as long as its under $150 its not going to get in the way of be buying it for my MBP :D

When you think about it Mac OSX costs very little compared to Windows - One of my friends was looking to buy Windows7 and its a whopping $400!!! :eek:

Since Apple are leaning towards the iOS with Lion, I'm hoping they'll make everything more instant. Like faster waking up from sleep, faster start up etc...

talmy
Mar 20, 2011, 12:45 PM
Also, the developer program AFAIK doesnt give you the released OS for free, it gives you access to the pre-release only.

I just joined the developer program (I actually do develop software!). Among the downloads available are OS X Snow Leopard and Snow Leopard Server, both the current releases and the 10.6.7 seeds. Also a bunch of other programs, SDKs and OSes back to 10.2 Jaguar.

I also don't think Lion will be $129. I expect it will be far less when bought through the Mac App store. And I'm more concerned with it breaking or obsoleting existing programs -- replacement costs for those are likely to exceed anything Lion costs!

Don't expect to save any money by becoming a "developer", and only a fool would run Lion for production in its current state.

Charlie Sheen
Mar 20, 2011, 12:58 PM
I hope it will only cost 29 but have a feeling they'll charge us more

MattInOz
Mar 20, 2011, 08:28 PM
More and more people are using Mac OS, so Apple will reduce the price over time.

I suspect standard price of $49.99, with the App Store charging $39.99.

I don't think Apple needs to charge as much as it did for Leopard because there are more users now and I think it's not going to be that much of a redesign.

The installed base Lion is targetting is what 2-3times that of Snow Leopard. Which has to be the biggest jump in users between two OS updates but the way the market is going that number will stablise for the next release much like it was probably fairly stable up to Leopard.

I think your right Pricing in the half to third range with a download option but retail edition on USB this would become the pricing for OS X from now on.

Which make me think with all the touch gestures the Left Field option would be to do a USB wired(maybe just a USBcharging cable) edition of magic mouse/pad that has say 4-8GB of Flash embedded in it. Ever need to do a rebuild then the mouse would have everything you need. Maybe then they could sell for $129 retail.

OneMike
Mar 20, 2011, 09:14 PM
$129 full
$29 full in upgrade packaging

Joshuarocks
Mar 21, 2011, 12:06 AM
Same as Leopard... 129.99 for the full version
maybe 90 for the upgrade.

Who knows at this point, but I know it possibly won't be as cheap as Snow Leopard was.

MattInOz
Mar 21, 2011, 12:38 AM
$129 full
$29 full in upgrade packaging

Mac OS X only comes as an Upgrade.:D
The question is delivery method, and price.

CarsonGallo
Mar 21, 2011, 05:01 AM
Well maybe now I'm actually leaning away from free right now, I know its definitely going to be cheaper. And they'll offer it through the Mac App Store, and sell it retail in limited amounts, but they'll probably charge half of whatever they're charging for the retail version for the digital version to influence people to use The Mac App Store. But anyways based on Apples apps they've released through the Mac App Store with Aperture at half price, iLife and iWork a little cheaper, and Aperture at half its retail price, but still $80 bucks a pop. Then Facetime for a dollar which really surprised me, since its free on iOS. I may be thinking that things on iOS that are free are gonna cost on Mac OS, although this may be a little joke by Apple and they just may end up charging just a dollar for Lion, just like they did with Facetime. And if you think about it, charging a dollar for it is actually a lot better than making it free. Sure free sounds nice, but a DOLLAR! For just a DOLLAR! ONE DOLLAR! Sounds a little bit nicer to me. Plus they get more publicity for it being just the dollar, plus the face that we know why they charged a dollar for Facetime when they could've just gave that away for free, speaking of which, Facetime actually WILL BE FREE! Well in the Lion beta it is anyways. Plus the fact that Steve Jobs only gets paid a dollar, so theres that too. O wait a second, I just realized I'm wrong. Apple never charges anything in any of their stores or anything they make for a dollar whatsoever...CAUSE THEY ALWYAS CHARGE 99 CENTS!

buckers
Mar 21, 2011, 02:20 PM
If being a developer is around 100 a year and they get free Lion downloads, I'd say it'd have to be less than 100. My guess is around the 80 price range, like Leopard was.

gta50419
Mar 21, 2011, 02:25 PM
$29 like snow lep.

bedifferent
Mar 21, 2011, 02:32 PM
If being a developer is around 100 a year and they get free Lion downloads, I'd say it'd have to be less than 100. My guess is around the 80 price range, like Leopard was.

Developers do not receive the commercial release, yet in the past OS X development cost a lot more.

Apple Drops Mac Developer Program Cost to $99 (http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_drops_mac_developer_program_cost_to_99/)

Apple revamped its Mac OS X Developer Program late on Thursday, and the most notable change was a substantial membership price reduction. Instead of paying at least US$499 annually to participate in the Apple Developer Connection Program, memberships now cost only $99 a year.

Since the launch of the OS X App Store, Apple planned on lowering OS X development membership in order to entice more developers, bringing in more $$$ and popularity to its iOS-esque OS X App store.

jeanlain
Mar 21, 2011, 03:28 PM
There won't be upgrade versions of family packs. The App Store doesn't sell those. (and In fact, Apple doesn't usually sell OS X ugrades)
There will be a single version (client and server).
It will be cheaper on the App Store. I'd say 79$ on the Store and 129$ (box). Maybe a family pack in box, but I doubt it.

jeanlain
Mar 21, 2011, 03:29 PM
Developers do not receive the commercial release.
Yes they do.

bedifferent
Mar 21, 2011, 03:59 PM
Yes we/I do.

In the past, yes, but now that Apple has dropped the cost of OS X membership development, it is no longer the case, forgot about that fact

jeanlain
Mar 21, 2011, 05:29 PM
They may not "receive" commercial OS X releases by mail, but registered Mac devs currently have free access to Lion 11A390, Snow Leopard 10A432 and Snow Leopard Server 104433, full install.

bedifferent
Mar 21, 2011, 06:02 PM
They may not "receive" commercial OS X releases by mail, but registered Mac devs currently have free access to Lion 11A390, Snow Leopard 10A432 and Snow Leopard Server 104433, full install.

Yeah, and I still have Leopard beta's that had some great features that didn't make it to the GM build. I loved that "Answering Machine" feature in iChat, recording a video or audio away message and allowing others to leave one in return. Was a great idea, especially for the deaf, and Apple was experimenting with VoIP and landlines with iChat for a possible home communications system.

talmy
Mar 22, 2011, 10:14 AM
In the past, yes, but now that Apple has dropped the cost of OS X membership development, it is no longer the case, forgot about that fact

As I said earlier in this thread:

I just joined the developer program (I actually do develop software!). Among the downloads available are OS X Snow Leopard and Snow Leopard Server, both the current releases and the 10.6.7 seeds. Also a bunch of other programs, SDKs and OSes back to 10.2 Jaguar.

ivnj
Mar 22, 2011, 11:35 AM
I agree, probably $129 as always. But cheaper would not hurt either.

bedifferent
Mar 23, 2011, 01:17 PM
As I said earlier in this thread:

How does this relate to anything I stated? I have been developing since OS 10.1. My point was this is the first time Apple dropped memberships for BETA 10.X development to the same price as iOS development, $99 (current incremental beta's are a different matter and always have been, OS X 10.X beta's are a different matter, or at least have been until now). That's all. In the past, OS X GM builds have been available but in some cases the GM build may not be the commercial release. As the membership price for OS X development has been significantly lowered I will be surprised if they allow developers access to the commercial release. Again, this is a completely different method than previous development. As an iOS developer we do have access to the final release, however iOS software updates are FREE whereas OS X 10.X updates are not and will never be, so Apple is only knowledgable in the matter.

Sodner
Mar 23, 2011, 01:30 PM
$79 Single, $99 Family

So how do they keep it from being installed on multiple Mac's if it's downloaded from the App Store?

ThaDoggg
Mar 23, 2011, 01:48 PM
I will most likely buy a new MBP in the next month or so...I hope Lion will only be $29 so that it won't be too big of a hit to the wallet if I decide to upgrade.

TxdoHawk
Mar 23, 2011, 01:54 PM
I would be pretty shocked if Lion's pricing scheme was much more expensive than Snow Leopard's. What is really there to justify it? This seems like even less of a jump than Snow Leopard.

tbobmccoy
Mar 23, 2011, 02:13 PM
I would be pretty shocked if Lion's pricing scheme was much more expensive than Snow Leopard's. What is really there to justify it? This seems like even less of a jump than Snow Leopard.

The Snow Leopard jump was actually a lot smaller on the face, but I agree with you; Apple in lowering the price of their OS updates is going to instill an expectation that OS updates are going to be cheap in the future. And honestly, why not? Apple already has a lot of $ from you BUYING a Mac, so having relatively cheap OS updates to keep it alive and going adds to the value of the machine, if you ask me.

talmy
Mar 23, 2011, 02:35 PM
In the past, OS X GM builds have been available but in some cases the GM build may not be the commercial release. As the membership price for OS X development has been significantly lowered I will be surprised if they allow developers access to the commercial release. Again, this is a completely different method than previous development.

The new program offers fewer benefits than the old, at a much reduced price. However all OSes back to 10.2 are still available for download, and frankly all OSes should continue to be for development purposes. I was doing Windows development for many years and was in their program. Access to all the OSes was critical.

I haven't suggested that anyone get the developer license to get around buying the commercial version. I bought it just for testing. And I expect the commercial release to be very low cost, probably through the Mac App Store.

To quote from the license agreement:
Purpose
You would like to use Apple Software for testing and/or development of products designed to operate on or in combination with Apple-branded products running Mac OS X. Apple is willing to grant You a limited license to use the
Apple Software provided to You under this Program to develop and test Your products on the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement.

and also
"Mac OS X" means the Mac OS X operating system software provided by Apple for use by You under this Agreement in connection with Your Application development and testing, which, from time to time during the Term, may
consist of an Apple confidential, pre-release version of the Mac OS X operating system software or a gold master "GM" production, non-Apple confidential, commercially-available version of the Mac OS X operating system
software (or any successor thereto).
the "from time to time" makes the agreement pretty nebulous, I must admit.

Finally:
Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, Apple hereby grants You during the Term, a limited, non-exclusive, personal, revocable, non-sublicensable and non-transferable license to:
(a) Install a reasonable number of copies of the Apple Software on Apple-branded computers owned or controlled by You, to be used internally by You or Your Authorized Developers solely for purposes of developing or testing
Applications designed to operate on or in combination with Mac OS X; provided however that if the Apple Software is accompanied by a separate license agreement, then you agree that the license agreement accompanying
such materials shall govern Your use of such materials;

Sky Blue
Mar 23, 2011, 02:46 PM
What is really there to justify it?

There's a ton of new "advertisable" features in Lion: LaunchPad, Full Screen Apps, Mission Control, Auto Save, Versions, Resume, Full Disk Encryption, AirDrop etc.
Plus, just about every corner of the OS has been tweaked and improved.
Also, people are forgetting that OS X Server is now included, which used to retail for $499.
If Apple do release a boxed copy in retail stores, I'd be surprised if it retails for under $129.

scottgroovez
Mar 23, 2011, 02:51 PM
Hallo Apple said that there gonna be taking the best of iOS and bringing it to th Mac. And what did they just start doing with iOS 4. Free Updates! Mac OS Lion will be FREE! I mean it makes total sense. Obviously if there is a disk version THAT won't be free. But to entice people to use the digital way, they'll make the diskless version free. I mean, the only reason he new iLife cost money to rebuy was because there wasn't a previous digital version to update from. But I guess that still doesn't explain why FaceTime is being sold for a buck then I guess. All well maybe Apple will just sell it for a buck then maybe if not free.
Apple charged $1 for facetime, I highly doubt their accounting department will allow them to give it away gratis.

bedifferent
Mar 23, 2011, 04:04 PM
To quote from the license agreement:


and also

the "from time to time" makes the agreement pretty nebulous, I must admit.

Finally:

Good points. Wow things have changed!

Looking forward to the "official" beta release (hopefully tomorrow) as engineers and designers have had a months worth of input/debugging. Looking forward to what lies ahead as the beta's are released more frequently.

talmy
Mar 23, 2011, 04:22 PM
There's a ton of new "advertisable" features in Lion: LaunchPad, Full Screen Apps, Mission Control, Auto Save, Versions, Resume, Full Disk Encryption, AirDrop etc.

Well, the first three might sell Macs to iOS customers, but LaunchPad is frivolous, there are already full screen apps (and Lion's version so far is a bust if you have multiple displays), and Mission Control is a mashup of existing features (Dashboard, Spaces, Expose). Auto Save, Versions, and Resume require cooperation from applications (meaning version upgrades and probably more money). Full Disk Encryption is good for the security conscious , which excludes 99% of the public. I haven't figured out the point of AirDrop over existing network file sharing. I must admit that I've only put Lion on one (external) hard drive so far and can't check Lion to Lion services like AirDrop.


Plus, just about every corner of the OS has been tweaked and improved.
Like Snow Leopard, at $29.

Also, people are forgetting that OS X Server is now included, which used to retail for $499.

Two problems with this. It's missing features of Snow Leopard Server, so existing server customers may be in trouble (of course features might reappear). And most customers neither need nor want a server OS.

$29, Mac App Store.

bedifferent
Mar 23, 2011, 06:04 PM
Like Snow Leopard, at $29.


Two problems with this. It's missing features of Snow Leopard Server, so existing server customers may be in trouble (of course features might reappear). And most customers neither need nor want a server OS.

$29, Mac App Store.

That's not entirely accurate. The reason Apple listed an OS X for that price (10.6) was due to the fact that from a consumer stand point all the features from Leopard were present, nothing new "feature" specific was implemented. The OS was reworked, but only individuals such as us who are knowledgable in system infrastructures would understand that benefit. Having worked at Apple, selling Snow Leopard to Leopard owners was difficult as most, even at $29, didn't understand the difference. Phil Schiller publicly stated the low cost was a one time deal in order to entice Leopard owners. As well, Apple's EULA policy required ownership of Leopard to qualify for the $29 price, otherwise Tiger and below owners had to purchase the Snow Leopard/iWork/iLife box set.

So again, stating that Snow Leopard's price of $29 for Leopard owners as setting any precedent is erroneous as there were many factors for that decision. It has been asked on the Lion developer forum and Cupertino mod's have "hinted" that 10.7 will not be available at a price point near that low. Sorry.

spillproof
Mar 23, 2011, 06:23 PM
I think Apple will price Lion over $50.

macanaw
Feb 27, 2012, 11:13 PM
Hmmm...turns out everyone who spotted $30 is right!
Nice! :)

Jare
Feb 27, 2012, 11:48 PM
Hmmm...turns out everyone who spotted $30 is right!
Nice! :)

Good job bumping an almost year old thread.

talmy
Feb 28, 2012, 09:17 AM
Hey, it's refreshing to be reminded that I got it right! :)

New prediction - $29 for Mountain Lion.

macanaw
Mar 9, 2012, 08:03 AM
Good job bumping an almost year old thread.

Thanks! Ha!:) I choose to take your sarcasm in the best humor, Canuck!

jlc1978
Mar 9, 2012, 11:15 AM
But I guess that still doesn't explain why FaceTime is being sold for a buck then I guess. All well maybe Apple will just sell it for a buck then maybe if not free.

FaceTime cost $1 due to US accounting rules. If Apple gave it away they potentially would have to restate earnings - not something they wanted to do. iPhone updates can be free because the revenue is accounted for differently than the Mac's.