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kirky29
Feb 25, 2011, 04:16 AM
Hey there,

When using the Magic Mouse in Lion, and I scroll down, it goes up. Up goes down.
Just like on iOS

Is there a way anyone has found to stop this?
I'd probably get used to it eventually.. but still!

Also, in full screen apps with the Magic Mouse, is there a way to switch from one app to another? Like swipe left or something?

Thank you!
I know it's the first preview & only been out for a day. :)



kirky29
Feb 25, 2011, 04:28 AM
Sorry, somebody else posted and answered it for me!

There's an option at the top of the mouse settings.

pascalpp
Feb 26, 2011, 03:49 PM
uncheck that box at the top.

iCheddar
Feb 26, 2011, 04:27 PM
Hopefully they'll throw in some consistency in future versions.

It's great that that setting is there for the mouse, but no such setting exists for the trackpad. Why? :confused:

gocsp
Feb 27, 2011, 02:03 AM
Hopefully they'll throw in some consistency in future versions.

It's great that that setting is there for the mouse, but no such setting exists for the trackpad. Why? :confused:

but it is at trackpad (the first option):

http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/am4f7nb0/ScreenShot20110227at9.00.10AM.png

xdissent
Feb 27, 2011, 05:06 PM
Hopefully they'll throw in some consistency in future versions.

FYI, this is a feature that unifies OS X and iOS scrolling behaviour, so consistency is exactly what they introduced. It also just makes more sense in general and does away with the logically backward scrolling conventions of the past.

It might take a little getting used to, but it's a huge step in the right direction. I've been running Lion for less than 24 hours and I just switched back to Snow Leopard for a moment - the legacy scrolling feels cheap and wrong now.

LinMac
Feb 28, 2011, 11:22 AM
It might take a little getting used to, but it's a huge step in the right direction. I've been running Lion for less than 24 hours and I just switched back to Snow Leopard for a moment - the legacy scrolling feels cheap and wrong now.

It is frankly the most annoying attempt at bringing iOS to OSX yet. If this is Apple's concept of the future then I am seriously hoping Microsoft or somebody provides competition. Absolutely horrible change that I hope is off in the gold master build because I can't imagine any relatives buying a Mac when it "scrolls wrong".

ajvizzgamer101
Feb 28, 2011, 11:27 AM
I gotten used to it (BetterTouchControls) because it works the same as the iOS devices and I have Magic Mouse.

Tanegashima
Mar 3, 2011, 02:56 PM
How do I do that with a Black Macbook (no "advanced" trackpad)?

The preference pane is completely different. I must edit the values by hand!

ender78
Jul 20, 2011, 06:25 PM
Resurrecting thread .. what the hell were they thinking ... not a good default on feature, ran into this "feature" within 5 minutes of being in my new Lion install.

aneftp
Jul 20, 2011, 07:59 PM
Resurrecting thread .. what the hell were they thinking ... not a good default on feature, ran into this "feature" within 5 minutes of being in my new Lion install.

I agree. Apple should have disabled this option by default.

I was confused about the scrolling until I did a google search. I thought something was wrong with my mouse or Lion install.

andrewface
Jul 20, 2011, 08:04 PM
its just weird cause i switch from windows to mac so often!!

bozzykid
Jul 20, 2011, 08:19 PM
FYI, this is a feature that unifies OS X and iOS scrolling behaviour, so consistency is exactly what they introduced.

The behavior is consistent. But the problem is on iOS, you are touching the screen (aka the content), so scrolling this way is natural. When using a touchpad or magic mouse, this behavior is counter-intuitive no matter how much they try to say it is "natural".

SnakeBacon
Jul 20, 2011, 08:50 PM
Yes you able to turn it off, all of the options in the mouse settings have check boxes which means you can disable the "Natural Scrolling" option.

advan031
Jul 20, 2011, 09:00 PM
I hate it on my mbp so reverted back to "normal" scrolling. it's fine on the iPad or iPhone.

jiminaus
Jul 20, 2011, 09:44 PM
The behavior is consistent. But the problem is on iOS, you are touching the screen (aka the content), so scrolling this way is natural. When using a touchpad or magic mouse, this behavior is counter-intuitive no matter how much they try to say it is "natural".

I completely agree with this. I didn't even notice I was making the opposite gesture to scroll on my iPhone verses by Magic Trackpad. I too found the "natural" scrolling to be wholy unnatural. I could retrain myself, but I'm Mac at home and Windows at work. I can cope with swapping between Cmd+C verses Ctrl+C, but not scrolling one way and then the other way.

Emulsion
Jul 20, 2011, 09:50 PM
It's only unnatural because its different... It's a change they made to make it similar to iOS, give it a day and you will forget about it.

Reach9
Jul 20, 2011, 09:53 PM
I completely agree with this. I didn't even notice I was making the opposite gesture to scroll on my iPhone verses by Magic Trackpad. I too found the "natural" scrolling to be wholy unnatural. I could retrain myself, but I'm Mac at home and Windows at work. I can cope with swapping between Cmd+C verses Ctrl+C, but not scrolling one way and then the other way.

Completely agree. I tried to get used to the "natural" scrolling, but the fact of the matter is, unless you're touching the screen it seems very unnatural.
Also, for the sake of not looking like a fool when my friend hands me his PC laptop, i think it'll stick to what i define "natural", which is Apple's "unnatural"

jasperk99
Jul 20, 2011, 10:55 PM
Its funny, I never even thought about the difference when using Snow Leopard and IOS, when I installed Lion today, I was like WTF!!! Now I think about it and it just messes me up!! On IOS it does seem natural not so on Lion

I had to change it back to the old settings as I used Windows at work and my brain just won't get used to scrolling 2 different ways

SomeMacGuy
Jul 20, 2011, 11:01 PM
I scroll down more than I scroll up. The new "natural" way is a much more uncomfortable gesture and it's very weird to get used to. Turning it off made my brain happy for sure. Not even going to bother to try to get used to it.

rickhorn
Jul 20, 2011, 11:01 PM
believe it or not, it's just a-matter-of-habit. You guys will get used to it...

shanew21
Jul 20, 2011, 11:01 PM
its just weird cause i switch from windows to mac so often!!
This is why I have disabled it. I use windows a lot and whenever I'm editing media I plug in an external mouse (with a scroll wheel and everything) for extra precision so I don't want to screw with anything there. I'll just leave it off. The scrolling feels "natural" on a touchscreen but not a trackpad.

trekkie604
Jul 20, 2011, 11:04 PM
disabled this dumb feature along with the auto-resumption of windows within 2 minutes of completing install.

redsteven
Jul 20, 2011, 11:36 PM
Absolutely horrible change that I hope is off in the gold master build because I can't imagine any relatives buying a Mac when it "scrolls wrong".

You have no idea how long it took one of my relatives, who didn't have much computer experience, to get used to the backwards scrolling that you and I like.

I'm used to moving my finger up when I want the page to go up... but the fact is that it's kind of counter-intuitive for someone used to moving physical objects (like paper) with their hands.

bozzykid
Jul 20, 2011, 11:39 PM
believe it or not, it's just a-matter-of-habit. You guys will get used to it...

Doubtful as I will never use it. Like was said earlier, most people scroll down more than up. And on a magic mouse, this is very uncomfortable to swipe up versus swiping down.

redsteven
Jul 20, 2011, 11:48 PM
Doubtful as I will never use it. Like was said earlier, most people scroll down more than up. And on a magic mouse, this is very uncomfortable to swipe up versus swiping down.

Didn't really think about that. Good point though, about flexing your finger being easier than extending it upwards

Aliput
Oct 26, 2011, 05:20 PM
Apple have seen fit to change the wording of the mouse tracking inversion feature in the latest Lion update.

Below is the option (circled in blue) you need to change to make your mouse work 'normally'

http://grandprive.org/mousetrackchange.jpg

Unchecked moves the screen up when you drag down and vice versa - and checked moves the screen in the direction you move your finger.