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kirky29
Feb 25, 2011, 10:42 AM
Hey there,

Where has the Library folder gone? It's normally there.. Where's my users application support now stored?

Attached both the Leopard folder & Lion.
Thanks!



simsaladimbamba
Feb 25, 2011, 10:44 AM
It is hidden.

In Mac OS X v10.7, the following files and folders are now hidden: /lost+found, $HOME/Library

from http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/24/sources_detail_new_features_in_apples_first_beta_of_mac_os_x_10_7_lion.html

kirky29
Feb 25, 2011, 10:48 AM
It is hidden.


from http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/24/sources_detail_new_features_in_apples_first_beta_of_mac_os_x_10_7_lion.html

Ah! Thank you, an obvious answer really!

ElusiveMind
Feb 26, 2011, 08:04 AM
This may sound like a noobish question, but is there any way to "unhide" it? I was able to do it by creating a symlink folder to it, but would rather just have the folder be unhidden. Mostly so I can track documents in the Application Support folder (chat logs for Adium, etc).

neveruseq
Feb 26, 2011, 08:20 AM
This may sound like a noobish question, but is there any way to "unhide" it? I was able to do it by creating a symlink folder to it, but would rather just have the folder be unhidden. Mostly so I can track documents in the Application Support folder (chat logs for Adium, etc).

Yup....

Open Terminal found in the utilities folder and type:

chflags nohidden /users/**username**/library

SimonTheSoundMa
Feb 26, 2011, 11:19 AM
This may sound like a noobish question, but is there any way to "unhide" it?
You're a dev and asking a question like that?

Maclver
Feb 26, 2011, 11:29 AM
This may sound like a noobish question, but is there any way to "unhide" it? I was able to do it by creating a symlink folder to it, but would rather just have the folder be unhidden. Mostly so I can track documents in the Application Support folder (chat logs for Adium, etc).

or just go to the "go to folder" and type in ~/Library

scmaster53
Feb 26, 2011, 12:40 PM
You're a dev and asking a question like that?

I think a lot of people just purchased a Mac Dev license so they could get the dev preview of lion

Slix
Feb 26, 2011, 01:23 PM
Why would they hide the Library folder? That's used so much.

zorinlynx
Feb 26, 2011, 02:43 PM
I think a lot of people just purchased a Mac Dev license so they could get the dev preview of lion

This. I'm tempted to do it myself, even though I'm not a dev (just a somewhat advanced user, unix sysadmin, etc.).

If I do end up buying it, I'm definitely going to try to provide good bug reports to Apple, so at least my dealing with beta software becomes worth it. I'm just not sure I want to trade the current ROCK SOLID stability of 10.6 to play with new toys just yet.

And I mean rock solid. Neither my 2006 Mac Pro or 2010 Macbook Pro have crashed with 10.6 even once. Amazing operating system, this is.

celticpride678
Feb 26, 2011, 02:46 PM
Why would they hide the Library folder? That's used so much.

Because the home folder is a place that normal users go to a lot. The Library folder had system files in it, so it just didn't look right.

kirky29
Feb 26, 2011, 02:59 PM
This. I'm tempted to do it myself, even though I'm not a dev (just a somewhat advanced user, unix sysadmin, etc.).

If I do end up buying it, I'm definitely going to try to provide good bug reports to Apple, so at least my dealing with beta software becomes worth it. I'm just not sure I want to trade the current ROCK SOLID stability of 10.6 to play with new toys just yet.

And I mean rock solid. Neither my 2006 Mac Pro or 2010 Macbook Pro have crashed with 10.6 even once. Amazing operating system, this is.

Do it then :) The more bug reports Apple gets, the better it'll be when it's released :)

Hildron101010
Feb 28, 2011, 04:33 PM
Forgive me if someone already said this, but I will say what I discovered. The Library folder is still in the Home directory (~) but it is hidden. So, without any 3rd party programs, I would just cd into it via Terminal, open it up in the Finder, and create an Alias.

simsaladimbamba
Feb 28, 2011, 04:36 PM
Forgive me if someone already said this, but I will say what I discovered. The Library folder is still in the Home directory (~) but it is hidden. So, without any 3rd party programs, I would just cd into it via Terminal, open it up in the Finder, and create an Alias.

See:
It is hidden.


from http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/24/sources_detail_new_features_in_apples_first_beta_of_mac_os_x_10_7_lion.html

Yup....

Open Terminal found in the utilities folder and type:

chflags nohidden /users/**username**/library

rorschach
Feb 28, 2011, 04:44 PM
If you don't want to make it visible you can still hold the Option key in the "Go" menu and Library will show up under Home.

richard.mac
Feb 28, 2011, 08:01 PM
Because the home folder is a place that normal users go to a lot. The Library folder had system files in it, so it just didn't look right.

it doesnt have system files, thats what the system library is for which should be hidden instead! it houses the files and settings used by apps and the system for that user and the main library for all users.

its really kind of a back-end kind of folder and Apple probably thought it would make things simpler and less complicated that if by default a user didnt see it. i will be unhiding it, i use it a lot to configure and tidy my account.

ErikGrim
Feb 28, 2011, 08:06 PM
it doesnt have system files, thats what the system library is for which should be hidden instead! it houses the files and settings used by apps and the system for that user and the main library for all users.

its really kind of a back-end kind of folder and Apple probably thought it would make things simpler and less complicated that if by default a user didnt see it. i will be unhiding it, i use it a lot to configure and tidy my account.
Exactly. The people who need access to it will know how to access it. For the rest it's out of sight, out of mind.

Tim3308
Mar 8, 2011, 03:33 PM
I store my user made photoshop brushes, etc. in the user library...

Background : I played w/ Lion (on another partition, but it also used my snow leopard user folder) to see if it would some system color issues I am having a certain app. I am not running Lion now, but I just discovered my user/library is now hidden due to Lion (as I realized it does this, digging around w/ google).

this terminal command(yes, I inserted my user name in): chflags nohidden /users/username/library - It did not work

I tried go to folder in the finder, no luck. I entered time machine for a backup (its there) but it wants to replace it(btw the dialogue comes up has the new Lion options though I am running snow leopard). I don't want to do that. I just want the current library folder visible!

Thank you for you help...

Edit/update:
Ironically I got help from Apple's forum (of course didn't take long w/ the "Lion" word and the warning that your user library - you know - where all your prefs, and where I put photoshop stuff- would go "poof" visibly w/ Lion.)... and the thread was removed. Command line in terminal was something like: chflags nohidden ~/Library then I (on my own move) entered "killall Finder" ( I saw in other threads). And eureka, there was my library, visually.

I get Apple's thinking here w/ Lion, but in practical terms -- it goes too far, hiding library in the user folder! How is one supposed to trash prefs for an app in Lion, as an example? Has this been moved to another folder besides user/library?

spencecb
Mar 8, 2011, 05:47 PM
So this topic has shifted slightly....

I did the same thing, and have successfully retrieved my Library folder, but iPhoto and Aperture still do not function.

Anyone know how to fix that?

Tim3308
Mar 8, 2011, 06:10 PM
Spence, I don't have Aperture, and I was careful not to launch iPhoto or Mail while in Lion(while sharing the same user folder). I will not be "playing" w/ it again! So my iphoto was okay.

You have a backup of your iPhoto "package"?

I must admit, I'm a little turned off by the "dumbing down of an OS", as some critics are calling Lion. I mean CS5 practically lays out the welcome wagon to store your own brushes in the brushes folder located in the user/library... and Apple's Lion, just makes that go invisible to feign like it's a stinkin' iPhone or iPad? -- what am I missing?

spencecb
Mar 8, 2011, 06:18 PM
Spence, I don't have Aperture, and I was careful not to launch iPhoto or Mail while in Lion(while sharing the same user folder). I will not be "playing" w/ it again! So my iphoto was okay.

You have a backup of your iPhoto "package"?

I must admit, I'm a little turned off by the "dumbing down of an OS", as some critics are calling Lion. I mean CS5 practically lays out the welcome wagon to store your own brushes in the brushes folder located in the user/library... and Apple's Lion, just makes that go invisible to feign like it's a stinkin' iPhone or iPad? -- what am I missing?

I do have a backup, yes, but there is a catch to it: I (stupidly) let Lion wipe out my Time Machine backup and replace it with a new one.

So, when restoring from my Time Machine backup leaves these things a wreck.

But, here is the silver lining: My new MacBook Pro arrives on Thursday, so I'll just use Target Disk mode to get the things I want from the iMac.

It doesn't really bother me that I have to do it this way, only because I was not going to migrate my entire system this time around. I have been migrating since Mac OS X 10.0. It is time for a fresh start.

I don't understand why some of these things have been hidden, though. Maybe it is just an early build thing, but I have my doubts.

But I also have my doubts in people's ability to use a computer, and I do understand the logic behind when the decision was made to hide iPhoto and Aperture libraries, because people messed them up right and left.

I see the flip side, too. It's a world class OS, and it should be fully open to tear apart if you so chose.

Ahhh, the dichotomy....

Tim3308
Mar 8, 2011, 09:08 PM
Looks like Apple's Lion hiding the user library is going over like a fart in church w/ apps that rightly store things there and want the user to access...

from Chris Cox at Adobe:

"We're voicing our objections, but you need to let Apple know that their decisions are causing real world customer problems."

Let apple know this is bad and short sighted move/restriction.

poobear
Mar 9, 2011, 02:37 AM
If you don't want to make it visible you can still hold the Option key in the "Go" menu and Library will show up under Home.
By far the easiest solution to this "problem". Stop playing around in the terminal kids.

Tim3308
Mar 9, 2011, 02:45 AM
Still klunky "fix" at best. Adobe, Corel, etc. must be thrilled w/ apple handcuffing users like this, just thrilled. Just show the damn folder, period.

Terminal set this right, btw. Thanks, dad.

edrian
Apr 21, 2011, 10:56 AM
Hey there,

Where has the Library folder gone? It's normally there.. Where's my users application support now stored?

Attached both the Leopard folder & Lion.
Thanks!

Go to the top menu bar in Finder and click GO, after that hold ALT and you'll see Library folder appear, click on it and Library will SHOW UP.

Hope this helps! :)

djrod
Apr 21, 2011, 11:43 AM
I store my user made photoshop brushes, etc. in the user library...

Background : I played w/ Lion (on another partition, but it also used my snow leopard user folder) to see if it would some system color issues I am having a certain app. I am not running Lion now, but I just discovered my user/library is now hidden due to Lion (as I realized it does this, digging around w/ google).

this terminal command(yes, I inserted my user name in): chflags nohidden /users/username/library - It did not work

I tried go to folder in the finder, no luck. I entered time machine for a backup (its there) but it wants to replace it(btw the dialogue comes up has the new Lion options though I am running snow leopard). I don't want to do that. I just want the current library folder visible!

Thank you for you help...

Edit/update:
Ironically I got help from Apple's forum (of course didn't take long w/ the "Lion" word and the warning that your user library - you know - where all your prefs, and where I put photoshop stuff- would go "poof" visibly w/ Lion.)... and the thread was removed. Command line in terminal was something like: chflags nohidden ~/Library then I (on my own move) entered "killall Finder" ( I saw in other threads). And eureka, there was my library, visually.

I get Apple's thinking here w/ Lion, but in practical terms -- it goes too far, hiding library in the user folder! How is one supposed to trash prefs for an app in Lion, as an example? Has this been moved to another folder besides user/library?

I store my brushes in the Photoshop brushes folder in Applications, no need to use the library folder

kLy
Jun 9, 2011, 04:40 PM
Using DP4 now and this has gotten worse :(

Now even with the folder unhidden it doesn't allow access and even if I try something like "open ~/Library/Preferences" the Finder doesn't give me access to it :(

Seriously? Is Apple going to go the way of Windows and treat its users like retarded children, spanking them every time they try to access the Windows or Program Files folder?

Any workarounds?

slb
Jun 9, 2011, 04:46 PM
I think a lot of people just purchased a Mac Dev license so they could get the dev preview of lion

Or they pirated it. I love all the threads criticizing performance and other incomplete features, as if developer previews are legitimate releases intended for everyday use by the public.

baryon
Jun 9, 2011, 05:22 PM
Is it possible to make an alias to the hidden Library folder, and then pretend the Alias is just the Library folder and that's it?

I do find it very stupid that they made it hidden: All of my Saves from my Steam games, Minecraft and other stuff are kept there. I often need to access the folder (on a daily basis) for this reason. That's also where my Crossover Wine Bottles are kept, which is full of stuff I often need to delete, modify, etc...

I often have to install/uninstall fonts, as we know OS X is extremely unstable when it comes to fonts and they cause huge problems when they randomly get corrupt, so often the only solution is to convert OTF fonts to TTF or vice versa, or delete them altogether.

When uninstalling an app in OS X, you drag it from the Applications folder to the trash. However, it won't delete all the junk it left User/Library. You have to go there and manually delete it.

Last week I realized that Bridge CS4 (that I uninstalled 2 years ago) left 4 GB of junk cache files in the Library, so I had to manually delete that.

Accessing the Library folder is crucial for the health of your computer. I will definitely create a shortcut if it's possible, which I think is less elegant and is a "workaround", but it's no big deal really, just stupid that it has to be done.

kLy
Jun 9, 2011, 05:24 PM
The easiest is to make a shortcut to the hidden Library folder and put it where you'd expect it to be in the first place. The only difference is that it'll have an arrow on the icon.


Awesome that worked! :) omg, this is soooo stooped tho! grr!

rmbrown09
Jun 9, 2011, 05:47 PM
I asked this same exact question a month or two back. I got the same, you're a dev and....

No lol I am not a dev. I am a freshman in college trying to get a degree in comp sci. There are a lot of Lion users on this forum that are far from devs.

I would remember this day though folks, because the user set now is somewhat advanced, once we get Lion released to the public... Instead of using chflags in terminal to unhide something seeming noobish well have people asking how to delete a space or find system info.

Riemann Zeta
Jun 10, 2011, 10:06 AM
Boo Apple! They seem to be desperate to eliminate the versatile and powerful nature of the OS that has made OS X so great for professional users. I guess they intended Lion to be the death of Mac OS as a viable workstation OS. Wonder how long it takes them to eliminate the concept of a human-readable filesystem altogether and move to the hidden pseudorandom 256bit UUID file naming scheme of iOS?

Hildron101010
Jun 10, 2011, 05:26 PM
Using DP4 now and this has gotten worse :(

Now even with the folder unhidden it doesn't allow access and even if I try something like "open ~/Library/Preferences" the Finder doesn't give me access to it :(

Seriously? Is Apple going to go the way of Windows and treat its users like retarded children, spanking them every time they try to access the Windows or Program Files folder?

Any workarounds?

It's in the same location for me. I just typed: ~/Library into the Go To dialogue and I got into it. Then I just CMD+Option dragged the proxy out of the window to make an alias in my Home folder.

xgman
Jun 13, 2011, 10:39 AM
It also seems like Lion is asking for your password way more on mundane things like moving files, etc. than Slow Lep ever did.

mrapplegate
Jun 13, 2011, 11:02 AM
It also seems like Lion is asking for your password way more on mundane things like moving files, etc. than Slow Lep ever did.

When is it doing this? The only time it should is if you are trying to move from a system folder.

kLy
Jul 4, 2011, 04:22 AM
Great! A simple chflags works again in the GM. Thank goodness, I really couldn't stand having to work through a symlink.

Jagardn
Jul 4, 2011, 01:32 PM
Apple probably hid the Library folder because people keep touching things they really shouldn't. It's probably the cause for most of the problematic app threads on this site.

baryon
Jul 4, 2011, 02:00 PM
Apple probably hid the Library folder because people keep touching things they really shouldn't. It's probably the cause for most of the problematic app threads on this site.

Yeah, but the only problem is that the Library contains user stuff: That's where Minecraft puts its Saves and customization packs, and that's also where Steam puts its Saves and Mods. If you want to play a Steam Mod, the official way to install it is to copy it into the Library/Application Support/Steam/whatever folder. So this is going to cause a LOT of trouble for people who aren't very techy, and those who just want to play an official game. I imagine there are a hell of a lot more apps that require doing stuff in Library.

I think that Library shouldn't be hidden. If someone doesn't know what it is, and they do stuff they aren't instructed to inside, well, that's their problem. The same way they shouldn't drop their computer or go swimming with their phone in their pocket. That's not a reason to make the phone waterproof.

The Library is far from "purely system stuff you shouldn't touch". If you uninstall an App on a Mac, you generally drag and drop it into the trash from the Applications folder. Now what happens with all the Gigabytes of crap files it dumped into Library/Application Support? You have to go and manually delete those. If you don't, no wonder your hard drive will fill up with stuff you won't ever use, as things like Adobe Bridge's cache files are kept in there, and don't get removed even if you use the official uninstaller!

Having the Library hidden is yet another stupid move from Apple. It's almost as stupid as having to buy Snow Leopard, install it, just to be able to download and install Lion for Leopard users...