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djsound
Feb 26, 2011, 12:11 PM
If Apple comes out with another OS without an "uninstall app" feature to easily uninstall app's then they have mental problems...



simsaladimbamba
Feb 26, 2011, 12:15 PM
If Apple comes out with another OS without an "uninstall app" feature to easily uninstall app's then they have mental problems...

Why?
Most applications can be uninstalled via dragging to the Trash. Only a select few leave behind tons of support data.

djsound
Feb 26, 2011, 12:28 PM
No excuses. Just do it Apple... I dont want to have to worry about which ones leave around what and where it is. one button. Uninstall....if Windows can do it many years ago I think Apple should be able to by now..

Maclver
Feb 26, 2011, 12:39 PM
Why?
Most applications can be uninstalled via dragging to the Trash. Only a select few leave behind tons of support data.

+1

any also its not difficult to go to Application support and delete the program crap!

kirky29
Feb 26, 2011, 12:41 PM
I prefer just dragging the app to the trash can.

djsound
Feb 26, 2011, 12:45 PM
It so funny how everyone defends everything Apple does no matter what it is on this site...Like it or not , an uninstall button is easier then dragging stuff and finding related files. It is ONE CLICK. You cant get easier...so don't defend the old fashion manual way. What Apple does is try and make things easier for people do they not? They let you BUY app's with one click now in the app store. Why not uninstall with one click..

Maclver
Feb 26, 2011, 12:47 PM
It so funny how everyone defends everything Apple does no matter what it is on this site...Like it or not , an uninstall button is easier then dragging stuff and finding related files. It is ONE CLICK. You cant get easier...so don't defend the old fashion manual way. What Apple does is try and make things easier for people do they not? They let you BUY app's with one click now in the app store. Why not uninstall with one click..

LOL were not defending apple to me its just easier to drag in the trash and go get the supporting files, by doing that I know they are gone. When I used AppZapper i did the same thing i would delete the app and still go check to make sure it happened.

djsound
Feb 26, 2011, 12:56 PM
Wow....still defending haha. Think about it. How can moving a file to a trash can and going into finder to find files be easier then the click of a button? Time them both and see which is easier. The click of a button is like .00002 of a second. Deleting an app your way is probably 20-30 seconds haha

aristobrat
Feb 26, 2011, 12:57 PM
No excuses. Just do it Apple... I dont want to have to worry about which ones leave around what and where it is. one button. Uninstall....if Windows can do it many years ago I think Apple should be able to by now..
If you're the type of person that worries because an OS X app leaves a preference file on the file system after the apps been removed, then pointing at Windows as the solution makes no damn sense.

Many (if not most) Windows applications, when uninstalled through their installer program, leave their preferences stored in the registry. Thus the gazilions of different "clean your registry to make Windows run faster" utilities out there.

So if you're really worried about which ones leave what and where they do, you're worried about that in Windows as well.

Tom8
Feb 26, 2011, 12:58 PM
Wow....still defending haha. Think about it. How can moving a file to a trash can and going into finder to find files be easier then the click of a button? Time them both and see which is easier. The click of a button is like .00002 of a second. Deleting an app your way is probably 20-30 seconds haha

Use AppCleaner. If you don't like it, go to Windows

bobr1952
Feb 26, 2011, 01:02 PM
Clearly a "if it ain't broke" feature. Windows has uninstall because of registry clutter which is not necessary for OS-X. I just don't think a lot of us care about such a feature.

djsound
Feb 26, 2011, 01:07 PM
I do use AppCleaner =) Having something similar built into OSX would be nice and more efficient. I do love OSX....wayyyy more then any Windows OS... The uninstall feature is just a suggestion to make it better. :D

simsaladimbamba
Feb 26, 2011, 01:21 PM
Best way to FULLY DELETE a program (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11171082&postcount=16)
+

I just tested a few of these, using Skype.app as the file to be deleted.

AppZapper found 4 items
AppCleaner found 6 items
AppDelete found 9 items
EasyFind found 16 items
Finder found 17 items

neko girl
Feb 26, 2011, 01:24 PM
Your Windows OS doesn't delete any of the app's crap data either. It just chooses to mislead you with an "Uninstall" Control Panel applet. It just so happens that Mac applications generate less garbage, and place them in specific locations, instead of anywhere they want.

Maclver
Feb 26, 2011, 01:26 PM
Best way to FULLY DELETE a program (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11171082&postcount=16)
+

Love it!

Also its kinda fun to go poking through the system to see whats out there.. I have learned so many things when deleting stuff of my mac

admanimal
Feb 26, 2011, 02:50 PM
Windows can do it many years ago I think Apple should be able to by now..

You must be from the future, at some point in time where several years earlier a version of Windows was released that actually removes every trace of an application if you uninstall it.

I'm not saying Apple shouldn't include a superior way of doing it, but to say Windows can is a joke.

baryon
Feb 26, 2011, 03:02 PM
Most applications that come with an installer places files all over the system. Only an uninstaller application, designed specifically for that application, can remove the installed application entirely. Only it can know where exactly the installer placed files, and what their filenames are.

OS X has no real way of knowing that, unless it would monitor the installation process and remember the location of each file created. I guess they could implement such a feature, but there are probably limitations to that.

Mostly every app that comes with an installer also has an uninstaller with it. Other apps that only require dragging into the Applications folder will not need an uninstaller, however, some of them can still create stuff around the system when they are launched.

I guess that the App Store could keep track of all this and have an uninstall feature, but it would require lots of work and I'm not sure this would work correctly.

As for the way Windows uninstalls applications, it just runs the uninstaller that is provided with the app during installation. As opposed to OS X, Windows apps always come with installers, which makes everything horribly messy.

djsound
Feb 26, 2011, 03:03 PM
My mistake. I didn't know that windows only deleted the .exe file or whatever. I thought its uninstall got rid of everything. That's what I am hoping for from Apple :D Baryon your right about the appstore. It could keep track of the install process and just have a uninstall button with its install button....thats sort of what I was thinking of. If it can keep track of what to install then it can keep track of what to uninstall

baryon
Feb 26, 2011, 03:15 PM
My mistake. I didn't know that windows only deleted the .exe file or whatever. I thought its uninstall got rid of everything. That's what I am hoping for from Apple :D Baryon your right about the appstore. It could keep track of the install process and just have a uninstall button with its install button....thats sort of what I was thinking of. If it can keep track of what to install then it can keep track of what to uninstall

But then of course it gets complicated, because some files are created not during installation, but when you launch the application... So it's always a mess! The thing is that at least in OS X everything is stored in files and folders, there is no registry, so it makes it easier to keep track of things. But it still isn't perfect. I think that ideally, every app should be entirely contained in its own folder in Applications. All of the preference files, everything, should be in there, and someone smart should figure out how to link those files to where they belong, without moving them out of there.

djsound
Feb 26, 2011, 03:44 PM
That was the point to the whole thread hehe.....exactly :)

cocky jeremy
Feb 26, 2011, 03:44 PM
If Windows has had the feature you're talking about for years, and Apple doesn't, chances are it's better without it. Microsoft is the one that copies Apple and not the other way around for a reason. Why do you WANT to do more work to uninstall stuff? Drag it to the trash and be done with it. Or use AppCleaner and just drag it there.

ajvizzgamer101
Feb 26, 2011, 04:26 PM
CleanMyMac + Apple Trash Can = all you need.

Millah
Feb 26, 2011, 06:20 PM
Wow....still defending haha. Think about it. How can moving a file to a trash can and going into finder to find files be easier then the click of a button? Time them both and see which is easier. The click of a button is like .00002 of a second. Deleting an app your way is probably 20-30 seconds haha

You're an idiot, sorry.

The reason Windows HAS an uninstall button or has .exe files to INSTALL software is because software on Windows adds tons of registry files, .dll files, crap files, etc. However, when you "uninstall" programs, it doesn't delete all those files. You're just stupid enough to believe it does.

In fact, I think one of the Macs biggest strengths over Windows is the LACK of an uninstall button and installation files. You just write apps to the hard drive, and then move to trash to "uninstall." Very few apps leave crap files behind, and when they do most cases its not really all that much.

Therefore, clicking a button as you like to put it is just as simple as dragging a file to the trash. If Apple creates an uninstall panel, then it enforces into peoples minds that its completely necessary to do, when fact is that its NOT. 95% of Mac users simply don't need it. And Apple doesn't need to make them believe that they do.

And by the way, since you want to "time" how long it takes to click a button versus dragging an item into the trash, how about this? Time how long it would take to open a panel in system preferences and then clicking a button, versus simply RIGHT CLICKING an app and then CLICKING A BUTTON (that button is named 'move to trash)

Voila! Problem solved. Genius.

QuarterSwede
Feb 26, 2011, 06:29 PM
You're an idiot, sorry.

The reason Windows HAS an uninstall button or has .exe files to INSTALL software is because software on Windows adds tons of registry files, .dll files, crap files, etc. However, when you "uninstall" programs, it doesn't delete all those files. You're just stupid enough to believe it does.

In fact, I think one of the Macs biggest strengths over Windows is the LACK of an uninstall button and installation files. You just write apps to the hard drive, and then move to trash to "uninstall." Very few apps leave crap files behind, and when they do most cases its not really all that much.

Therefore, clicking a button as you like to put it is just as simple as dragging a file to the trash. If Apple creates an uninstall panel, then it enforces into peoples minds that its completely necessary to do, when fact is that its NOT. 95% of Mac users simply don't need it. And Apple doesn't need to make them believe that they do.

And by the way, since you want to "time" how long it takes to click a button versus dragging an item into the trash, how about this? Time how long it would take to open a panel in system preferences and then clicking a button, versus simply RIGHT CLICKING an app and then CLICKING A BUTTON (that button is named 'move to trash)

Voila! Problem solved. Genius.
This is why I love OS X. I can test most apps by running them from their dmg and then unmounting the dmg if I don't want it. Nothing to uninstall. No garbage left over.

goobot
Feb 26, 2011, 06:45 PM
Lol! They should add the iOS X to apps that removes all files and shortcuts and puts them in the trash. Then in trash they should have a restore button that puts everything back. The iOS X always gets everything so I think it would be good. They can activate it by holding the click on an app. K, bye

bedifferent
Feb 26, 2011, 06:49 PM
CleanMyMac + Apple Trash Can = all you need.

You beat me to it. I used to use AppZapper, but have been using CleanMyMac for a while and LOVE IT. It strips out the excess code in applications (either PowerPC or Intel), extracts language files you don't need for app's, cleans up system files/broken preferences/excess .plists, manage plugin's for Finder/Safari/etc., and a whole lot more. Great app!

rorschach
Feb 26, 2011, 07:14 PM
They don't need a dedicated application or anything. Just make it so that when you delete an application file, you get a dialog that says "Would you like to also remove this applications support files?" or something similar.

MBX
Feb 26, 2011, 07:23 PM
If Apple comes out with another OS without an "uninstall app" feature to easily uninstall app's then they have mental problems...

lol but i agree a bit. they could easily implement an uninstall feature in the app store app or some other way.

not sure why it's still not available and you have to go through third party apps.

MHardee
Feb 26, 2011, 07:39 PM
...and then there's that who WINSXS folder (google it) that Windows creates... people wonder where all of their drive space went...

HiFiGuy528
Jul 23, 2011, 06:12 PM
In Lion, you can not uninstall any of the preinstalled apps. Not even the Chess app. WTF?!!!!

simsaladimbamba
Jul 23, 2011, 06:19 PM
In Lion, you can not uninstall any of the preinstalled apps. Not even the Chess app. WTF?!!!!

What does happen if you want to delete an application in Lion? And where exactly do you want to delete it?

Justinf79
Jul 23, 2011, 06:38 PM
I use a program called TrashMe, that does a good job of finding all related files to a program and deletes them along with the program. I'm just glad OS X doesn't have a crappy error-prone registry like windows.

dethmaShine
Jul 23, 2011, 06:48 PM
What is 'uninstalling'?

;)

simsaladimbamba
Jul 23, 2011, 06:50 PM
I use a program called TrashMe, that does a good job of finding all related files to a program and deletes them along with the program. I'm just glad OS X doesn't have a crappy error-prone registry like windows.

Read post #13.

pcmxa
Jul 23, 2011, 06:55 PM
Ok, a lot of you seem to be arguing that an uninstall feature is unnecessary since you can just drag the app to the trash and be done with it. I agree that most of the time you are right, but there are plenty of applications that don't work that way and leave crap on the system that can mess it up. If you use anything with a dongle, or with certain license managers, just trashing it can cause problems. Even the manufacturer's uninstall programs don't necessarily work. I uninstalled smoke recently using the uninstaller it came with and my computer wouldn't sleep. I went to Autodesk's site and followed their manual uninstall instructions and it still wouldn't sleep. I finally tracked it to a daemon that was calling up the license file (which of course had been uninstalled) and was keeping my machine awake.

The point is OS X is an elegant operating system and an uninstall that was as elegant and flawless as much of the rest of the system would be great.

HiFiGuy528
Jul 23, 2011, 07:40 PM
You can't put Chess in the Trash because "it's required by OS X". WTF?! Chess????

dethmaShine
Jul 23, 2011, 08:57 PM
You can't put Chess in the Trash because "it's required by OS X". WTF?! Chess????

sudo -s
rm -rf /Applications/Chess.app/