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tehpwnerer19
Feb 27, 2011, 10:03 AM
I was thinking about paying the $99 to get the Mac OS Developer account so I could get Lion. With the developer account do you get the final retail version of the software as well, or just all of the betas, etc.? Thanks in advance.



ct2k7
Feb 27, 2011, 10:09 AM
I was thinking about paying the $99 to get the Mac OS Developer account so I could get Lion. With the developer account do you get the final retail version of the software as well, or just all of the betas, etc.? Thanks in advance.

You do get the gold master version as well. I hope you don't break the NDA you electronically signed and agreed to.

axu539
Feb 27, 2011, 10:10 AM
I was thinking about paying the $99 to get the Mac OS Developer account so I could get Lion. With the developer account do you get the final retail version of the software as well, or just all of the betas, etc.? Thanks in advance.

I've been asking the same question, and from what I've gotten, you do get the golden master, which is the same as the retail release. What I have yet to get answered, is whether or not the GM will update through software update, like the public release.

tehpwnerer19
Feb 27, 2011, 10:11 AM
You do get the gold master version as well. I hope you don't break the NDA you electronically signed and agreed to.

What does that mean? I don't have an account yet, but what are you referring to?

ct2k7
Feb 27, 2011, 10:25 AM
What does that mean? I don't have an account yet, but what are you referring to?

The NDA bit?

A non-disclosure agreement.

axu539
Feb 27, 2011, 10:32 AM
The NDA bit?

A non-disclosure agreement.

Why is the question posted related to a non-disclosure agreement? We're just wondering if you basically get a working public release of Lion when the time comes, if you pay the $99 for a developer account. Is whether or not you receive the golden master + updates a huge secret or something?

ct2k7
Feb 27, 2011, 10:43 AM
Why is the question posted related to a non-disclosure agreement? We're just wondering if you basically get a working public release of Lion when the time comes, if you pay the $99 for a developer account. Is whether or not you receive the golden master + updates a huge secret or something?


OP posted a question pertinent to the developer program.

The question was responded, with a reminder that s/he should not violate the NDA said party electronically signed.

Many people are signing up to breech the NDA. I've already seen at least 1 developer had his access privileges revoked from the iOS program.

axu539
Feb 27, 2011, 03:14 PM
OP posted a question pertinent to the developer program.

The question was responded, with a reminder that s/he should not violate the NDA said party electronically signed.

Many people are signing up to breech the NDA. I've already seen at least 1 developer had his access privileges revoked from the iOS program.

I'm really not sure what part of the OP's post suggests s/he is going to breach the NDA.

excalibur313
Feb 27, 2011, 03:48 PM
Can anyone tell me if there are different developer accounts? If I pay $99, do I get access to ios and os x builds or are they separate things?

frunkis54
Feb 27, 2011, 03:50 PM
Can anyone tell me if there are different developer accounts? If I pay $99, do I get access to ios and os x builds or are they separate things?

seperate. you would have to pay 99 for iOS and another for os x

jamied95
Feb 27, 2011, 03:58 PM
What happens if you end your subscription ends after a year, do you have to buy retail Lion or do you just update to normal versions?

ct2k7
Feb 27, 2011, 04:43 PM
What happens if you end your subscription ends after a year, do you have to buy retail Lion or do you just update to normal versions?

Update to normal. They aren't special builds (GM/GAR).

tehpwnerer19
Feb 28, 2011, 10:53 AM
So you know, I have no intentions of breaking the nda, I just want lion for my own personal use, and just want to make sure it will maintain full operation once it goes GM, i.e., software update updates Lion as well as installed software.

tourada
Feb 28, 2011, 10:56 AM
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Not in and of itself. But by posting screen shots or videos (or even revealing features) you are breaching the NDA and apple could revoke your license before the GM release if they find out/care to go through the trouble

tourada
Feb 28, 2011, 10:57 AM
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Not in and of itself. But by posting screen shots or videos (or even revealing features) you are breaching the NDA and apple could revoke your license before the GM release if they find out/care to go through the trouble

Steve Ballmer
Feb 28, 2011, 12:55 PM
I've been asking the same question, and from what I've gotten, you do get the golden master, which is the same as the retail release. What I have yet to get answered, is whether or not the GM will update through software update, like the public release.
You answered your own question.

Does the retail release, which is the GM simply burned onto a DVD, get updates through Software Update? Thus, wouldn't it stand to reason that the GM downloaded as opposed to bought on a DVD get updates, too?

vultureboy
Feb 28, 2011, 01:37 PM
I don't think anyone here can give a 100% correct answer. They can guess and weigh up the odds from other Apple offerings but no one will be guaranteed to be correct!

The only way (at this point) you can be sure that you will have a copy of Lion that is fully functioning and will receive full updates is by waiting and purchasing the full version when it is released to the public.

Steve Ballmer
Feb 28, 2011, 01:48 PM
I don't think anyone here can give a 100% correct answer. They can guess and weigh up the odds from other Apple offerings but no one will be guaranteed to be correct!

The only way (at this point) you can be sure that you will have a copy of Lion that is fully functioning and will receive full updates is by waiting and purchasing the full version when it is released to the public.
No, the 100% correct answer is that ADC subscribers get access to the GM. In fact, they get it before everyone else because it usually takes a while for the GM to be pressed onto the many thousands of DVDs that then get shipped to Apple retail stores.

Log onto ADC right now and you can download the GM of Snow Leopard and Snow Leopard Server.

phpmaven
Feb 28, 2011, 01:53 PM
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Not in and of itself. But by posting screen shots or videos (or even revealing features) you are breaching the NDA and apple could revoke your license before the GM release if they find out/care to go through the trouble

With all of the screen shots and details about Lion being posted all over these forums and the entire Internet, I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone who ISN'T breaking the NDA. :)

tourada
Feb 28, 2011, 02:59 PM
With all of the screen shots and details about Lion being posted all over these forums and the entire Internet, I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone who ISN'T breaking the NDA. :)

It's true:) I'm just saying from a legal standpoint, one could[ be held liable for breaching the NDA. If anyone has questions, study contract law. Prosecution or injunctions are left to the discretion of apple. From a personal standpoint, I don't care about breaching the NDA or anyone doing it for that matter. I'm just offering advice to those that are thinking about downloading a pirated version or posting videos/screenshots.

Steve Ballmer
Feb 28, 2011, 03:47 PM
With all of the screen shots and details about Lion being posted all over these forums and the entire Internet, I'm starting to wonder if there's anyone who ISN'T breaking the NDA. :)
It wouldn't be worth Apple's time to go after the many hundreds of thousands of people who have now download Lion and posted screenshots.

Not to mention how many average Joe's have really even found the screenshots or would even care enough to look at them? Beyond the usual Apple and tech sites, it's not like mainstream media is posting Lion screenshots. The vast majority of people simply don't care enough.

Now, if every single tech site was giving out download links to the developer build instead of a few harmless screenshots, that would be an entirely different matter.

ct2k7
Feb 28, 2011, 05:55 PM
It wouldn't be worth Apple's time to go after the many hundreds of thousands of people who have now download Lion and posted screenshots.

Not to mention how many average Joe's have really even found the screenshots or would even care enough to look at them? Beyond the usual Apple and tech sites, it's not like mainstream media is posting Lion screenshots. The vast majority of people simply don't care enough.

Now, if every single tech site was giving out download links to the developer build instead of a few harmless screenshots, that would be an entirely different matter.

True, but for iOS 4, they revoked a few people, for distributing them. Not sure how they found out though.

steviem
Feb 28, 2011, 06:09 PM
It won't brick the phone. It will render it useless until you restore a build that is currently released or you get your UDID added to a developer's account.

tehpwnerer19
Feb 28, 2011, 06:57 PM
No, the 100% correct answer is that ADC subscribers get access to the GM. In fact, they get it before everyone else because it usually takes a while for the GM to be pressed onto the many thousands of DVDs that then get shipped to Apple retail stores.

Log onto ADC right now and you can download the GM of Snow Leopard and Snow Leopard Server.

What i really want to know though, is does the GM function just like the retail release, i.e., does it get updates through software update such as 10.7.1, 10.7.2, iTunes, Safari, security updates, etc.?

ct2k7
Feb 28, 2011, 06:59 PM
What i really want to know though, is does the GM function just like the retail release, i.e., does it get updates through software update such as 10.7.1, 10.7.2, iTunes, Safari, security updates, etc.?

It does.

Glad to see you want to stick to the law.

tourada
Feb 28, 2011, 07:14 PM
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Or, the legal way (which is what @Steve Ballmer is getting at), pay 99 for a developer account and save yourself $30

Steve Ballmer
Feb 28, 2011, 07:16 PM
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Or, the legal way (which is what @Steve Ballmer is getting at), pay 99 for a developer account and save yourself $30
That's assuming Lion is $129, which I imagine it will be. But maybe they'll make it $29 or $79, other common "Apple prices." We'll see.

But I find ADC is a pretty good price at $99/year, just because of all the other things you have access to, including (right now) Snow Leopard, Snow Leopard Server, various SDKs and all the Xcode releases from 3.2 on. I'm not a serious developer by any means, but I actually use Xcode for a variety of various small projects, and it's really nice.

tourada
Feb 28, 2011, 07:19 PM
That's assuming Lion is $129, which I imagine it will be. But maybe they'll make it $29 or $79, other common "Apple prices." We'll see.

But I find ADC is a pretty good price at $99/year, just because of all the other things you have access to, including (right now) Snow Leopard, Snow Leopard Server, various SDKs and all the Xcode releases from 3.2 on. I'm not a serious developer by any means, but I actually use Xcode for a variety of various small projects, and it's really nice.


I agree. That 99/year is great for what you actually do get.

tehpwnerer19
Feb 28, 2011, 07:22 PM
Thank you so much for the help. I will definitely be getting and ADC account then because that is a great deal and I would like to support Apple.

McGilli
Mar 2, 2011, 06:44 PM
Does anyone know - if you join the ADC - are all of the beta versions of OS's couriered out to you via disc automatically?

When I was beta testing SL, DHL was showing up every 2 weeks with a new dvd version. (as well as the downloads available).

Steve Ballmer
Mar 2, 2011, 06:49 PM
Does anyone know - if you join the ADC - are all of the beta versions of OS's couriered out to you via disc automatically?

When I was beta testing SL, DHL was showing up every 2 weeks with a new dvd version. (as well as the downloads available).
With Leopard, no, you had to manually download and install each build as they came. With Snow Leopard, you could get the latest builds through Software Update. Now, Lion appears to be using the App Store, which is basically the same thing as having it via Software Update.