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adamtj11
Mar 1, 2011, 06:27 AM
I absolutely love the way in lion the way you can flick between spaces with 3 finger swipe, its something i never would of used in a million years with Leopard or SL, but in lion it feels much more natural, feels like each space is another full screen app, plus i live the way mission control differentiates between the different spaces! another small but cool thing, Different wallpapers on each!!



Steve Ballmer
Mar 1, 2011, 06:45 AM
I just hope they decide between either calling it "Spaces" or "Desktops."

adamtj11
Mar 1, 2011, 07:24 AM
I just hope they decide between either calling it "Spaces" or "Desktops."

lol yeah except Apple always like to label things their own way rather than what the standard industry name is for it. so spaces will probably stick around for a while yet.

mrblack927
Mar 1, 2011, 07:37 AM
Yeah except some of us have already been using spaces for years in 10.5 an 10.6 and now that's being taken away. The "grid view" layout was a million times easier to navigate than a long horizontal line. And your spaces didn't change and move around on their own, further making it difficult to work efficiently.

adamtj11
Mar 1, 2011, 07:48 AM
Yeah except some of us have already been using spaces for years in 10.5 an 10.6 and now that's being taken away. The "grid view" layout was a million times easier to navigate than a long horizontal line. And your spaces didn't change and move around on their own, further making it difficult to work efficiently.

four finger swipe upwards and select which desktop, surely that's easier than f8 or whatever it was and then finding a space no?

mrblack927
Mar 1, 2011, 08:34 AM
four finger swipe upwards and select which desktop, surely that's easier than f8 or whatever it was and then finding a space no?

Not for me. I used cmd+arrows to navigate around my spaces. So for example if I have a 2x2 square of 4 spaces, and I'm currently in space 1 (top left), I just press:

cmd+right to move to space 2
cmd+down to move to space 3
cmd+left to move to space 4

That's it, no matter where I am, I only need to press 1 button to move to the space I want. I never have to click anything and I never even have to "zoom out" to see the spaces. I know where everything is because I put them there for a reason and they don't move. For the record, I wouldn't mind using swipe instead of arrows as long as everything else stayed the same. My problem is putting everything in a line is painfully inefficient compared to a 2 dimensional layout.

tourada
Mar 2, 2011, 08:40 AM
Not for me. I used cmd+arrows to navigate around my spaces. So for example if I have a 2x2 square of 4 spaces, and I'm currently in space 1 (top left), I just press:

cmd+right to move to space 2
cmd+down to move to space 3
cmd+left to move to space 4

That's it, no matter where I am, I only need to press 1 button to move to the space I want. I never have to click anything and I never even have to "zoom out" to see the spaces. I know where everything is because I put them there for a reason and they don't move. For the record, I wouldn't mind using swipe instead of arrows as long as everything else stayed the same. My problem is putting everything in a line is painfully inefficient compared to a 2 dimensional layout.

it is a little frustrating to get used to if you used Spaces as they were designed to be used originally. However, though this is not the same, try control+ left/right and changes the horizontal line still. control+up/down accesses mission control. While this is not the same as spaces used to be, sometimes its faster than remember a gesture or moving my entire hand.

Thunderbird
Mar 2, 2011, 10:15 PM
So does Lion not retain the grid layout? Even as an option?

In the attached photo by the OP, can you work in the large space as it is, or is that a 'zoom out' view that needs to be 'zoomed back in' before one can start working in it?

kuwisdelu
Mar 2, 2011, 10:19 PM
Not for me. I used cmd+arrows to navigate around my spaces. So for example if I have a 2x2 square of 4 spaces, and I'm currently in space 1 (top left), I just press:

cmd+right to move to space 2
cmd+down to move to space 3
cmd+left to move to space 4

That's it, no matter where I am, I only need to press 1 button to move to the space I want.

Same here. I don't have a multi-touch Mac yet, but I look forward to the swipe-to-move between Spaces. I really wish I'd be able to swipe up and down to navigate like I did with the arrows, though. Three swipes to get from Space 1 to Space 4 vs. one swipe if they were still in a grid. :(

And if you had lot's of spaces? Eight swipes to get from the first space to the ninth space, for example?

I look forward to swiping when I get a multi-touch Mac, I just wish there were still a 2D layout. And I do look forward to the unique wallpaper for each.

mrblack927
Mar 3, 2011, 07:17 AM
Same here. I don't have a multi-touch Mac yet, but I look forward to the swipe-to-move between Spaces. I really wish I'd be able to swipe up and down to navigate like I did with the arrows, though. Three swipes to get from Space 1 to Space 4 vs. one swipe if they were still in a grid. :(

And if you had lot's of spaces? Eight swipes to get from the first space to the ninth space, for example?

I look forward to swiping when I get a multi-touch Mac, I just wish there were still a 2D layout. And I do look forward to the unique wallpaper for each.

It get's worse. If you open fullscreen apps they create their own spaces too. So for example if you have 3 fullscreen apps open it might take you 7 swipes to get from Space 1 to Space 4 instead of 1. :(

baryon
Mar 3, 2011, 07:39 AM
Yeah I am very afraid of this Mission Control thing. I don't see the point in linear spaces, and I love using Alt + Arrows to navigate. I have 6 spaces, 1 for Photoshop, 1 for Pages, 1 for Instant Messaging, 1 for email, 1 for iTunes and App Store, and one for Safari and all that stuff. I don't ever have to minimize or close windows or even use Exposé much, as I can simply use the arrow keys to navigate between Apps. It's quick and easy as I know what is in which Space. For example, now I'm in my Safari Space, if I want to get to Skype, I just press Alt + Up as I know that it's right above.

I REALLY hope Apple does something, at least an option, to preserve this grid layout. I really love Spaces and I have never had a Mac before Leopard so for me it has become an integral part of the Mac experience for the past 3 years. I can't live without it, this is the one thing I definitely need. I can live without multi-touch, I can live without iPhoto, but not Spaces as I know it.

Also, as I've heard, in Lion, Spaces rearrange themselves automatically? What the hell? How will I know where a certain App is if it's random and changes all the time? I experimented ages to find the ideal way of organizing my Spaces, and now I should let an AI figure it out for me? What if I want a certain Space to be always accessible with the press of one button (and not the number keys!), even if it's not the Space I use the most often, as judged by the AI?

I want to be in control of my computer experience, and not let some algorithm decide for me. I actually enjoy organizing stuff the way I like.

aeaglex07
Mar 3, 2011, 08:19 AM
I like that wallpaper in the screenshot where did you get it:D

dyn
Mar 3, 2011, 08:29 AM
I just hope they decide between either calling it "Spaces" or "Desktops."
If you think about it they already have decided this. You've got spaces which can either be desktops or fullscreen apps. Look at the screenshot and you'll see that's exactly how they display it.

ajaxodessa
Mar 3, 2011, 09:05 AM
I'd like to see palm of that mutant who insists that it's comfortable to "swipe around" using Magic Mouse while holding it :D It's great on laptops or TackPad but definitely NOT with Magic Mouse :rolleyes:

antmarobel
Mar 3, 2011, 10:21 AM
I like that wallpaper in the screenshot where did you get it:D

quite simple: just google it: Lion, and "images"...be sure you chose the option "large". Wow! There's a lot of beautiful images there :D

kbmb
Mar 3, 2011, 10:23 AM
Couple of questions for those with Lion regarding Spaces.

I currently have 8 spaces setup (2x4). I'm on a Mac Pro with the Magic Mouse, so no advanced trackpad gestures here.

I currently have all four hot corners setup:

Upper Left: Application Windows
Upper Right: All Windows
Lower Left: Spaces
Lower Right: Desktop

1) In Lion, since they took the "spaces" grid view away and replaced it with Mission Control.....can I assign Mission Control to a hot corner? So basically it would replace the Lower Left "Spaces" hot corner I have now?

2) In regards to Spaces.....when Mission Control is launched, you see all your spaces and full screen apps across the top. The are below that, will show all your app windows within your current space? So this is like the "All Windows" expose now?

3) When launching Mission Control.....is there a way to only show the current Application Windows, like Expose does today?

4) Finally.....can someone setup 8 spaces and show how it looks in Mission Control displaying the dashboard + 8 spaces + a few full screen apps? How does Apple handle that many little windows?

Thanks!

-Kevin

Hellhammer
Mar 3, 2011, 10:24 AM
I'd like to see palm of that mutant who insists that it's comfortable to "swipe around" using Magic Mouse while holding it :D It's great on laptops or TackPad but definitely NOT with Magic Mouse :rolleyes:

It's two-finger swipes with Magic Mouse. I don't find it uncomfortable at all.


1) In Lion, since they took the "spaces" grid view away and replaced it with Mission Control.....can I assign Mission Control to a hot corner? So basically it would replace the Lower Left "Spaces" hot corner I have now?

Yes, just tried it.

2) In regards to Spaces.....when Mission Control is launched, you see all your spaces and full screen apps across the top. The are below that, will show all your app windows within your current space? So this is like the "All Windows" expose now?

That is correct.

3) When launching Mission Control.....is there a way to only show the current Application Windows, like Expose does today?

At least there are hot corner and KB shortcut options for that.

4) Finally.....can someone setup 8 spaces and show how it looks in Mission Control displaying the dashboard + 8 spaces + a few full screen apps? How does Apple handle that many little windows?

http://cl.ly/1P3a1D0M0g1J0u1c3q3z/Screen_Shot_2011-03-03_at_18.29.23.png

You can change the background of each Space if you want to.

Mac-Michael
Mar 4, 2011, 12:02 AM
Having a separate Space for Fullscreen applications makes it a bit tricky and certainly takes time to get used to. Yes, the grid is gone but you can still use Ctrl + <Space Number>, so even if you have 8 you don't have to scroll through all of them if you are using Space 1, you just press Ctrl + 8.

Steve Ballmer
Mar 4, 2011, 12:30 AM
If you think about it they already have decided this. You've got spaces which can either be desktops or fullscreen apps. Look at the screenshot and you'll see that's exactly how they display it.
But in System Preferences, apps can be on "every space," when everything else is called a desktop now. Shouldn't it say "every desktop?"

kbmb
Mar 4, 2011, 06:27 AM
It's two-finger swipes with Magic Mouse. I don't find it uncomfortable at all.

Yes, just tried it.

That is correct.

At least there are hot corner and KB shortcut options for that.

http://cl.ly/1P3a1D0M0g1J0u1c3q3z/Screen_Shot_2011-03-03_at_18.29.23.png

You can change the background of each Space if you want to.

Hellhammer.....awesome! Thanks for answering and posting the screenshot.

-Kevin

celticpride678
Mar 4, 2011, 05:29 PM
I just hope they decide between either calling it "Spaces" or "Desktops."

Or give us the ability to name different spaces.

Yeah except some of us have already been using spaces for years in 10.5 an 10.6 and now that's being taken away. The "grid view" layout was a million times easier to navigate than a long horizontal line. And your spaces didn't change and move around on their own, further making it difficult to work efficiently.

Likely a bug. I don't think Apple meant for that to happen.

fejker
Mar 5, 2011, 05:43 AM
Not for me. I used cmd+arrows to navigate around my spaces. So for example if I have a 2x2 square of 4 spaces, and I'm currently in space 1 (top left), I just press:

cmd+right to move to space 2
cmd+down to move to space 3
cmd+left to move to space 4

That's it, no matter where I am, I only need to press 1 button to move to the space I want. I never have to click anything and I never even have to "zoom out" to see the spaces. I know where everything is because I put them there for a reason and they don't move. For the record, I wouldn't mind using swipe instead of arrows as long as everything else stayed the same. My problem is putting everything in a line is painfully inefficient compared to a 2 dimensional layout.

Actually your keypress would just change from CMD+right/left to ctrl+right/left or if you prefer it ctrl+1/2/3/4/5... for an instant jump to a desktop of that number in Lion.

I prefer the new combined spaces and expose because now I use spaces because it's easier to navigate (at least for me) and with the full screen option for mail and safari it makes even more sense.

kalsta
Mar 5, 2011, 07:17 AM
I have 6 spaces, 1 for Photoshop, 1 for Pages, 1 for Instant Messaging, 1 for email, 1 for iTunes and App Store, and one for Safari and all that stuff. I don't ever have to minimize or close windows…

A separate space for each app? What on earth for? Are you familiar with Mac OS X's Hide/Show commands? These have been around for years (even before OS X, and long before Spaces), and would seem to meet your needs if all you want to do is avoid the clutter of having multiple apps visible at the same time. There are plenty of shortcuts for these commands. Command-Option-H hides all other apps. Holding down Option when you switch apps in the Dock hides the one you were just in. Holding Command and Option when you switch automatically hides all other apps. There may be others, but these are the ones I use on a daily basis to avoid screen clutter.

In my experience, observing how other people use the Mac, the ability to hide apps is the least understood and most under-utilised feature of the GUI. It's so painful to watch users drag windows around so they can see what's underneath, or manually minimise half-a-dozen windows into the Dock, just like they used to do in Windows. (Windows really has trained people how to be super-inneficient!)

That's why I'm positive about the changes in Lion. I don't have a preview copy to play with, but I'm hoping it will bring a much more visible way of hiding things for users, without having to manually configure different spaces.

kbmb
Mar 5, 2011, 07:31 AM
A separate space for each app? What on earth for? Are you familiar with Mac OS X's Hide/Show commands? These have been around for years (even before OS X, and long before Spaces), and would seem to meet your needs if all you want to do is avoid the clutter of having multiple apps visible at the same time. There are plenty of shortcuts for these commands. Command-Option-H hides all other apps. Holding down Option when you switch apps in the Dock hides the one you were just in. Holding Command and Option when you switch automatically hides all other apps. There may be others, but these are the ones I use on a daily basis to avoid screen clutter.

In my experience, observing how other people use the Mac, the ability to hide apps is the least understood and most under-utilised feature of the GUI. It's so painful to watch users drag windows around so they can see what's underneath, or manually minimise half-a-dozen windows into the Dock, just like they used to do in Windows. (Windows really has trained people how to be super-inneficient!)

That's why I'm positive about the changes in Lion. I don't have a preview copy to play with, but I'm hoping it will bring a much more visible way of hiding things for users, without having to manually configure different spaces.

I work on my Mac and use 8 total spaces and love it. Changed the way I worked. So easy to assign apps to a single space and never have to worry about cluttering windows.

To each his own.....if you like constantly minimizing/hiding windows then that's cool for you. Me, I assign apps to their particular spaces once....and never worry again. Cmd+Tab to the app and I'm taking to the space. Not really that much different than hiding windows. They are essentially "hidden" from your current view....just sitting over in another space.

Glad to see Apple keeping Spaces (or Desktops) in Lion. I think just by the fact that they now allow a separate desktop picture for each space means they've done enough re-coding in spaces to make sure it sticks around for a while.

-Kevin

kalsta
Mar 5, 2011, 07:45 AM
To each his own.....if you like constantly minimizing/hiding windows then that's cool for you. Me, I assign apps to their particular spaces once....and never worry again. Cmd+Tab to the app and I'm taking to the space. Not really that much different than hiding windows. They are essentially "hidden" from your current view....just sitting over in another space.

Just to clarify… I don't like minimizing windows, and that's the whole point. I like hiding/showing whole applications. Perhaps you got what I was saying and just used the wrong words. Just wanted to clarify.

Yes, I know what Spaces does and I've tried to like it. I've started using it a few times but always found it too restrictive. There are plenty of times I want to have different app windows side by side, or whatever. I can't remember all the situations that lead to frustration in Spaces, but I kept coming back to good ol' Hide/Show. Like you say though, to each his own. :)

Glad to see Apple keeping Spaces (or Desktops) in Lion. I think just by the fact that they now allow a separate desktop picture for each space means they've done enough re-coding in spaces to make sure it sticks around for a while.

I'm glad too. I'm hoping it'll be the best of both worlds.

kbmb
Mar 5, 2011, 09:01 AM
Just to clarify… I don't like minimizing windows, and that's the whole point. I like hiding/showing whole applications. Perhaps you got what I was saying and just used the wrong words. Just wanted to clarify.

Yes, I know what Spaces does and I've tried to like it. I've started using it a few times but always found it too restrictive. There are plenty of times I want to have different app windows side by side, or whatever. I can't remember all the situations that lead to frustration in Spaces, but I kept coming back to good ol' Hide/Show. Like you say though, to each his own. :)



I'm glad too. I'm hoping it'll be the best of both worlds.


NO. You must like it my way! :D

No, I get your point now. Hiding windows and apps in OS X is nice. I did a lot of work in Linux using their virtual desktops, so when Leopard got spaces, I was happy.

-Kevin

mrblack927
Mar 5, 2011, 10:39 AM
Yeah except some of us have already been using spaces for years in 10.5 an 10.6 and now that's being taken away. The "grid view" layout was a million times easier to navigate than a long horizontal line. And your spaces didn't change and move around on their own, further making it difficult to work efficiently.

Likely a bug. I don't think Apple meant for that to happen.

It's not a bug. The behavior is exactly the same as how apps in the "multitasking bar" are arranged on iOS devices. That is:


When you open a (full screen) app, it goes to the space immediately to the right of where you are
If you swipe to the app, it doesn't change the order
But if you click the app icon from the dock, it not only takes you there but moves it to the space to the immediate right of where you were


So essentially what you end up with is all of your apps ordered from most recent to least recent from left to right. You can't "lock your apps in place" as far as I know. The idea is that you will always have your most used apps closest to you. So instead of the old Snow Leopard style of spaces where you can lay everything out exactly as you want it, Lion tries to do the organizing for you.

celticpride678
Mar 5, 2011, 10:49 AM
It's not a bug. The behavior is exactly the same as how apps in the "multitasking bar" are arranged on iOS devices. That is:


When you open a (full screen) app, it goes to the space immediately to the right of where you are
If you swipe to the app, it doesn't change the order
But if you click the app icon from the dock, it not only takes you there but moves it to the space to the immediate right of where you were


So essentially what you end up with is all of your apps ordered from most recent to least recent from left to right. You can't "lock your apps in place" as far as I know. The idea is that you will always have your most used apps closest to you. So instead of the old Snow Leopard style of spaces where you can lay everything out exactly as you want it, Lion tries to do the organizing for you.

And you know this, how? Are you helping Apple develop Lion?

mrblack927
Mar 5, 2011, 12:13 PM
And you know this, how? Are you helping Apple develop Lion?

What do you mean? I'm running the beta right now and that's the behavior that it uses... And yes, I'm a legitimate mac developer, I didn't torrent it if that's what you're implying.

kbmb
Mar 5, 2011, 12:17 PM
What do you mean? I'm running the beta right now and that's the behavior that it uses... And yes, I'm a legitimate mac developer, I didn't torrent it if that's what you're implying.

I think what he means is how do you KNOW it's the intended behavior. I don't think Apple has told devs to this point that's how spaces is intended to work. You are observing it working that way, but since it's only the initial beta release, things could change....or it could stay the way you are seeing.

Personally, I think when you VIEW your spaces through Mission Control, lining them up in order would seem most logical. But, like you describe, if you are using gestures, then ordering them according to use might make more sense.

-Kevin

mrblack927
Mar 5, 2011, 12:30 PM
I think what he means is how do you KNOW it's the intended behavior. I don't think Apple has told devs to this point that's how spaces is intended to work. You are observing it working that way, but since it's only the initial beta release, things could change....or it could stay the way you are seeing.

Personally, I think when you VIEW your spaces through Mission Control, lining them up in order would seem most logical. But, like you describe, if you are using gestures, then ordering them according to use might make more sense.

-Kevin

Ohhh I see. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that that's how the final version of spaces will work. I was just trying to clarify that when I said "spaces move around on their own" I didn't mean they randomly change position (ie. a bug) but rather move based on an established set of rules (the way iOS works). I don't know if celticpride678 has the beta or not but if he doesn't I could see how the way I originally described it could sound confusing (like a bug instead of a feature).

I'm well-aware that many things can (and will) change before the final release, and personally (pure speculation) I think that the final version will behave how it does now, but with the added ability to move spaces around from the mission control screen, and lock them in place when you do. It's no secret that Apple has taken most of it's design cues from iOS and for the first beta it looks surprisingly good. I just hope they listen to the devs suggestions and add the flexibility to customize some things before pushing it out the door...

dyn
Mar 5, 2011, 01:10 PM
But in System Preferences, apps can be on "every space," when everything else is called a desktop now. Shouldn't it say "every desktop?"
It should yes but that may just be a bug. It's quite common that such names are not updated immediately. Naming is somewhere at the bottom of the pile :P But we could see what celticpride678 wants: let the user name the desktops.

Steve Ballmer
Mar 5, 2011, 01:16 PM
In my experience, observing how other people use the Mac, the ability to hide apps is the least understood and most under-utilised feature of the GUI. It's so painful to watch users drag windows around so they can see what's underneath, or manually minimise half-a-dozen windows into the Dock, just like they used to do in Windows. (Windows really has trained people how to be super-inneficient!)

It's a shame more Windows users don't seem to know about Ctrl+D or Ctrl+M. Either command lets you minimize every single window open on your system instantly. It's not exactly the same as hiding something in Unix, but it's similar.

And I agree... Too few Mac users know how to hide. I don't even minimize, as it essentially does the same thing as hiding, yet just adds more visual clutter to your Dock.

Thunderbird
Mar 5, 2011, 06:20 PM
Maybe it's because when you hide app windows (command + option+ H), it won't hide Safari windows. And then to 'unhide' the ones that do disappear, you have to click on each app in the dock one at a time to bring them back. Not much of a shortcut.

*LTD*
Mar 5, 2011, 07:26 PM
Spaces (or rather, Mission Control) is great.

Fullscreen is great. Viewing PDFs in fullscreen, for example, is a joy.

Combining fullscreen with Mission Control, however, not so great.

I open Safari and make it fullscreen. Good. I choose to open another Safari window and it moves to a different desktop space. Not so good. Even worse, I can't move it into the same space manually. Granted, the answer is to use tabs, but still.

Other than that, desktop spaces don't remember which application opens up (upon login) into which space, etc. So lots of little niggles here and there which will obviously get ironed out as Apple gets closer to perfecting the concept.

Otherwise, unifying Exposé and Spaces and Dashboard is wonderful. Interesting to note that I can still get the old Exposé functionality with separate windows of the same application (when not in fullscreen.) Hmmm . . .

kbmb
Mar 5, 2011, 09:34 PM
Spaces (or rather, Mission Control) is great.

Fullscreen is great. Viewing PDFs in fullscreen, for example, is a joy.

Combining fullscreen with Mission Control, however, not so great.

I open Safari and make it fullscreen. Good. I choose to open another Safari window and it moves to a different desktop space. Not so good. Even worse, I can't move it into the same space manually. Granted, the answer is to use tabs, but still.

Other than that, desktop spaces don't remember which application opens up (upon login) into which space, etc. So lots of little niggles here and there which will obviously get ironed out as Apple gets closer to perfecting the concept.

Otherwise, unifying Exposé and Spaces and Dashboard is wonderful. Interesting to note that I can still get the old Exposé functionality with separate windows of the same application (when not in fullscreen.) Hmmm . . .

Just curious are you or others testing Lion on a desktop with a Magic Mouse? I see all the great things with gestures that Apple is doing for trackpads, and I'm curious as to how things work with something like the MM. I'm on a Mac Pro, and have no desire for the Magic Trackpad. I really hope that at some point Apple expands on the MM to allow for things like pinch in/out....3 finger up/down etc.....just not sure they will.

I think I read that now in Lion a 2 finger swipe moves between spaces/fullscreen apps? Is this customizable? What happens then to the current 2 finger swipe in say a browser (prev/next) or the Finder (back a folder)?

Thanks.

-Kevin

kalsta
Mar 5, 2011, 10:37 PM
Maybe it's because when you hide app windows (command + option+ H), it won't hide Safari windows.

If your Safari windows won't hide, there's something wrong with your system.

And then to 'unhide' the ones that do disappear, you have to click on each app in the dock one at a time to bring them back. Not much of a shortcut.

Try 'Show All' from the application menu if that's what you really want to do. I rarely if ever find the need for this.

kalsta
Mar 5, 2011, 10:46 PM
It's a shame more Windows users don't seem to know about Ctrl+D or Ctrl+M. Either command lets you minimize every single window open on your system instantly. It's not exactly the same as hiding something in Unix, but it's similar.

And I agree... Too few Mac users know how to hide. I don't even minimize, as it essentially does the same thing as hiding, yet just adds more visual clutter to your Dock.

There you go. Never thought I'd see the day where I agree with Steve Ballmer!

I've occasionally wondered how you could make hiding more of a visible feature for newbies, and after seeing the demo at http://10gui.com I thought the concept had some promise. Before I really understood what Apple was trying to do with Mission Control, I started sketching some ideas of my own and then I realised that Mission Control was essentially an implementation of what I was trying to do. So, without having actually tried it, I'm hopeful that if anyone can make this work, Apple can.

BTW, it looks like aliens already have this kind of interface, albeit on a holographic projection screen. Does anybody else watch V? :)

Hellhammer
Mar 6, 2011, 02:41 AM
Just curious are you or others testing Lion on a desktop with a Magic Mouse? I see all the great things with gestures that Apple is doing for trackpads, and I'm curious as to how things work with something like the MM. I'm on a Mac Pro, and have no desire for the Magic Trackpad. I really hope that at some point Apple expands on the MM to allow for things like pinch in/out....3 finger up/down etc.....just not sure they will.

I think I read that now in Lion a 2 finger swipe moves between spaces/fullscreen apps? Is this customizable? What happens then to the current 2 finger swipe in say a browser (prev/next) or the Finder (back a folder)?

Thanks.

-Kevin

Prev/next swipes are now done with one finger. You have heard correctly, two-finger swipes move between Spaces but there is also an option for "navigate" in preferences though I don't personally know what that does. Dual two-finger tap enters Mission Control. That's pretty much it, there aren't many new gestures. The good thing is that BetterTouchTool works with Lion ;)

I can post a screenshot of the Mouse preferences once I get my ass up from the bed

EDIT: Navigate lets you scroll back and forth in System Preferences for example

http://cl.ly/3N3I2i0r0o0j100k0n2V/Screen_Shot_2011-03-06_at_11.26.26.png

kbmb
Mar 6, 2011, 08:53 AM
Prev/next swipes are now done with one finger. You have heard correctly, two-finger swipes move between Spaces but there is also an option for "navigate" in preferences though I don't personally know what that does. Dual two-finger tap enters Mission Control. That's pretty much it, there aren't many new gestures. The good thing is that BetterTouchTool works with Lion ;)

I can post a screenshot of the Mouse preferences once I get my ass up from the bed

EDIT: Navigate lets you scroll back and forth in System Preferences for example

http://cl.ly/3N3I2i0r0o0j100k0n2V/Screen_Shot_2011-03-06_at_11.26.26.png

Thanks again Hellhammer. You can go back to bed now :D

Can't wait for Lion.....looking like a kick-ass release.

-Kevin

dyn
Mar 10, 2011, 05:09 PM
And I agree... Too few Mac users know how to hide. I don't even minimize, as it essentially does the same thing as hiding, yet just adds more visual clutter to your Dock.
Not really. Minimise is more like application expose. With hide you either hide everything or nothing. With minimise you get to choose what you're hiding. It let's you finetune which windows of an app are visible.