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MacRumors
Mar 3, 2011, 11:32 AM
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BGR reports (http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/03/exclusive-blackberry-messenger-will-launch-on-android-and-ios/) that Research in Motion is planning to bring its BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) (http://us.blackberry.com/apps-software/blackberrymessenger/) system to the iOS and Android platforms, expanding the instant messaging system that has been a key feature of the BlackBerry operating system for many years.According to our sources, RIM has not yet finalized details surrounding timing or pricing, but we have heard that the company might make the software free to all users. We're also told strategy is still being developed, however, and RIM may end up charging users a one-time fee or even a recurring fee for access to its BBM service on third-party platforms.According to the report, Research in Motion would likely offer a "stripped down" version of BBM to iOS and Android users, allowing them to share text but not photos, locations, and other data included on the BlackBerry version. The company is also reportedly targeting a launch on Android first, with iOS coming a bit further down the road.

Article Link: BlackBerry Messenger Coming to iOS and Android? (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2011/03/03/blackberry-messenger-coming-to-ios-and-android/)



toromac
Mar 3, 2011, 12:07 PM
They're doing this b/c whatsapp essentially offers the same service... and it works on BB, android, nokia and iOS. There is no reason that BB should not open up BBM to everyone. They need to do something to make their phones desirable, because they are quickly becoming a forgotten company in danger of becoming obsolete.

roadbloc
Mar 3, 2011, 12:16 PM
One more reason why not to get a BlackBerry.

hfletcher
Mar 3, 2011, 12:20 PM
A lot of people I know have blackberry's, and one of the big reasons they don't want to switch to an iPhone is because they use BBM so often. I know you can get whatsapp and stuff, but BBM is already on every single blackberry. I would love to see BBM on an iOS device, even if you had to pay for the app.

Not sure if apple's app policy would allow it though?

AHDuke99
Mar 3, 2011, 12:25 PM
I sounder how they'll work it? Will they assi PINs to iPhones as well? I'm sure apple will allow it if they allow Kik and whatsapp. No reason why they wouldn't.

iMrNiceGuy0023
Mar 3, 2011, 12:29 PM
im sure BlacBerry will charge for this, how else will they benefit??

I think BlackBerry will lose sale, most people I know keep their blackberry because of BBM

BornAgainMac
Mar 3, 2011, 12:45 PM
If they slap a really terrible interface to it then it will be just like having a Blackberry. Cool.

kyjaotkb
Mar 3, 2011, 12:56 PM
well, at least where I live (France), texts are free and unlimited in 90% of all calling plans and prepaid offers... so you can basically communicate in real time even when you're out of data coverage, even with dumbphones... and when you have data coverage you can send unlimited mms to smart-and feature phones... So I don't really see what's big and new with BBM.
Apart from that, there are already plenty of Gtalk/MSN apps for each and every platforms, allowing you to instantly chat with people on their phones / computers...
am I missing something ?

kuebby
Mar 3, 2011, 12:59 PM
If they slap a really terrible interface to it then it will be just like having a Blackberry. Cool.

That mad me laugh, probably because it's true.

I would probably pay a small (read: sub $5) one-time fee for BBM but there's no way I'd pay any kind of recurring fee, even $5/month. I already pay for unlimited texting so it's really just a luxury.

ednamartin36
Mar 3, 2011, 01:08 PM
That true. I never likes the BB and there is no use of making their messaging available on iPhone. There are many other applications available like Nimbuzz or Fring to connect with friends.

Yaboze
Mar 3, 2011, 01:20 PM
I know a lot of people that have BB's and use BBM. They have BB's because of work or they just HAVE to have a keyboard. When they want to chat with me, they text me. Text plan rates are the biggest ripoff known to man. I would pay for a BBM client for my iPhone 4 that uses data (and very little at that) to be able to chat with BB owners. I would pay up to 4.99 for a BBM App on the App Store.

heisenberg123
Mar 3, 2011, 01:52 PM
im sure BlacBerry will charge for this, how else will they benefit??

I think BlackBerry will lose sale, most people I know keep their blackberry because of BBM

they wouldnt benifit finacially if they gave it away true, but RIM is mad that whatsapp is selling so many copies at 99cents, making money off the whole BBM concept so they are not happy about that

i can see them making it free to try and kill little companies like Kik and whatsapp

elppa
Mar 3, 2011, 03:02 PM
This is either brilliant or dumb:

It might be dumb because BBM is the killer app for Blackberry, no doubt. For all their talk of super apps, RIM only has one super app: BBM. It sells hardware. What would you rather sell: a $200 - $600 phone (to a carrier) or lots of $5 app. Bare in mind RIM are still selling phones in volume.

It might be brilliant because by getting more people hooked on BBM they are greatly expanding their market reach. And there might be a halo effect with people moving to Blackberry for the premier messaging experience. With many more eyes using their product they could integrate targeted ads as well. This has particular potential for groups all interested in one activity.

gkarris
Mar 3, 2011, 03:13 PM
The companies I used to work for - there was a monthly charge for BBM Enterprise per user - hence only District Managers and above got them.

It's not the cellular fee, it's some sort of infrastructure fee to tie your Enterprise System to BBM... (and it was cheaper per seat/month than MS Outlook Mobile - or whatever it was called).

That's why they want to expand to other platforms - $...

levitynyc
Mar 3, 2011, 04:57 PM
Why doesn't everyone just switch to Kik, which is free?

deannnnn
Mar 3, 2011, 05:27 PM
The only arguments my BBM-loving friends make for the service are that it's faster and you can tell if the other person read your message.

Texting is fast enough for me, and I don't want people to know when I'm ignoring them. So. No thanks.

rayzorboriqua
Mar 3, 2011, 05:54 PM
Why doesn't everyone just switch to Kik, which is free?

The whole reason they are even finally moving to multiplatform is cause they are catching on to things like kik. Thats why kik is getting sued. They are tired of people making exact mimicks of their software. So they figure if people are gonna steal their idea and try to go multipatform with it, might as well give them the 1st party app and do it the right way. Look at Pmessenger. That died rather quickly too haha. Its hard for any IM client to compete over facebook now. even AIM died.

Papa Crown
Mar 3, 2011, 08:53 PM
I own an iphone and a bb... honestly, I only use the bbm for the group chats, which is something even whatsapp and kik can replace

DiamondGCoupe
Mar 4, 2011, 12:15 AM
No one uses Kik, it was cool when it first came out but now it's dead. We need a dedicated iOS App like BBM.

Thnkdifferent
Mar 4, 2011, 12:51 AM
Way to give away your only "advantage" RIM. We need a dedicated iPhone communicator. Maybe when they revamp the notification system?

jbuck777
Mar 4, 2011, 01:05 AM
The only arguments my BBM-loving friends make for the service are that it's faster and you can tell if the other person read your message.

Texting is fast enough for me, and I don't want people to know when I'm ignoring them. So. No thanks.

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't exactly want to broadcast the times I'm outright ignoring peoples messages :P

coolbreeze
Mar 4, 2011, 01:50 AM
Not to be shallow, but my wife and I use Emoij a lot.

I love how it's built into the Android version of whatsapp. My wife has an iPhone which it works on as well.


If BBM doesn't have these icons, it's dead in the water for us at least...

franswa za
Mar 4, 2011, 06:39 AM
jim ballsilly of rim is such a desperate man........

mudman2
Mar 4, 2011, 07:22 AM
I don't talk to people with blackberries anymore so its no use to me:cool:

domness
Mar 4, 2011, 09:59 AM
Out of my friends, it seems the only good thing a blackberry is for is for BBM.. This is definitely going to decrease the point of having a blackberry now.

MarkNY
Mar 4, 2011, 03:46 PM
Apple should just buy whatsapp, and improve its uptime, and integrate in facetime calling and simple VOIP.

rust0r
Mar 4, 2011, 06:53 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't exactly want to broadcast the times I'm outright ignoring peoples messages :P

Common misconception with BBM by MANY people.

For those of you that have a BB, if "John" sends you a BBM message, and you want to know what he said, without going into his message (which will effectively tell him you read it), you can open a new chat window with someone else (ie: Sally) and without saying or doing anything in the new message window with Sally, BBM will update in that screen "John says: hey want to go see a movie.

This way you can see the message, and determine if you want to reply to it, or ignore it, and the person who sent it to you will never see that it has been read.

Saved me many of times with my 9700 and annoying people!

ApplLover
Mar 4, 2011, 07:24 PM
you could just enable chat history..
then when you get a message you "end chat" without even opening it.. then just go to history and there is the entire message.

Common misconception with BBM by MANY people.

For those of you that have a BB, if "John" sends you a BBM message, and you want to know what he said, without going into his message (which will effectively tell him you read it), you can open a new chat window with someone else (ie: Sally) and without saying or doing anything in the new message window with Sally, BBM will update in that screen "John says: hey want to go see a movie.

This way you can see the message, and determine if you want to reply to it, or ignore it, and the person who sent it to you will never see that it has been read.

Saved me many of times with my 9700 and annoying people!

Teddy's
Mar 4, 2011, 08:56 PM
you could just enable chat history..
then when you get a message you "end chat" without even opening it.. then just go to history and there is the entire message.

You iPhone ppl still don't get it.
Lets say I send a message to Ellen F.
Firstly, my screen will display a check mark when the msg is sent.
Then, a "D" of delivery receipt.
Lastly, when Ellen reads it, the message status on my screen will be updated to "R"

Ellen can take a look at the main BBM screen and see the message but it won't update as Read until she actually opens the chat window. rust0r is right by saying that he could see the message without sending the "read" update.

I have never used Kik but I heard that is kinda what it does (did).

Cheers,

rust0r
Mar 5, 2011, 03:10 PM
you could just enable chat history..
then when you get a message you "end chat" without even opening it.. then just go to history and there is the entire message.

Doesn't really work in that way.

KIK is balls, me and several other friends tried it (BB and iPhone users), 2 of the BB users had to uninstall it because it was crashing constantly. One message my keyboard just disappeared and I had to restart my iP4, it froze CONSTANTLY. This was all over the course of like the first day or so of testing it.

Whatsapp has a much better implementation of BBM features.

bradpurchase
Mar 6, 2011, 07:07 AM
This would be a really stupid move for RIM. The main reason my friends get a Blackberry over an iPhone or any other smartphone is BBM...

I really can't see this happening.

MisterK
Mar 6, 2011, 12:08 PM
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Sorry for my ignorance, but what exactly are the benefits that BBM provides over regular texting? If I have a lot of texts included with my cellular plan, do I have a reason to use BBM instead? I hear a lot of BB users say they LOVE their BBM, so I'm curious what exactly it is. I don't unserstand.

rust0r
Mar 6, 2011, 09:25 PM
For everyone who has never used BBM or had a significant amount of friends with BBM I will do my best:

I see many smart phone users who have never touched BBM simply outlaying its features and comparing it to texts. On paper it looks as though it's advantages aren't that great and aren't anything substantial over texting; "so you see when the person gets the message, so what".

It is just an environment that is created by BBM, it's sort of like your own little MSN/ICQ/AIM. I use to BBM all the time, full out conversations, etc, now that I switched to iP4, I barely text 20% of the people I use to BBM with. Basically, to me, the difference is, BBM is a little less personal, you can have a BBM conversation with someone you wouldn't normally go out of your way with to compose a text message, etc. Conversations can be more of a "shoot the s***" nature than purpose driven the way I find most texting to be.

I have an iP4, I have any amount of texts I need included in my plan, yet I still don't find myself conversing anything like I use to when I had my BB and BBM. BBM, a physical keyboard (type so much faster), and the two convenience side keys are the only things I really MISS about my Bold2 9700

You cannot compare the two on paper until you experience active BBM use.

Avizzle
Mar 7, 2011, 11:39 AM
I used BBM primarily for group chatting. Since most of my friends have switched to iPhones we have tested many of the BBM clones to use as our group chat application. Between WhatsAp, Kik, PingChat and GroupMe we have discovered that Beluga works best. It has a robust interface, fast reliable push and it even has a web browser portal, so you can stay in communication on the web if you are home or in the office etc.

turbobass
Mar 7, 2011, 08:13 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

Sorry for my ignorance, but what exactly are the benefits that BBM provides over regular texting? If I have a lot of texts included with my cellular plan, do I have a reason to use BBM instead? I hear a lot of BB users say they LOVE their BBM, so I'm curious what exactly it is. I don't unserstand.

Group chat rooms and file sharing, no charge for texting, automatic and easily integrated push notifcation, profile customization, instant push message status, integration into the Blackberry's message preview whereby you can see the content of an incoming text or other message at the bottom of the window (I think I'm hazy on that one).

In short: BBM = the ****. The only thing that would make it better would be if you didn't have to use the PIN number, but I actually kind of like that since you don't have every person who has your phone number automatically send you messages that they can see the status of if you read or not (unless you give them your PIN)...

ASKendrew
Mar 8, 2011, 06:43 AM
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I'd love this. Only thing I miss about my BlackBerry.

elppa
Mar 8, 2011, 02:47 PM
You cannot compare the two on paper until you experience active BBM use.

This is the hallmark of good software. It's not the feature list that is important, it is the experience it creates.

rust0r
Mar 8, 2011, 06:16 PM
This is the hallmark of good software. It's not the feature list that is important, it is the experience it creates.

Exactly, intangible product offering that creates a sense of value that you can't describe.

DocNYz
Mar 9, 2011, 12:06 AM
This is the hallmark of good software. It's not the feature list that is important, it is the experience it creates.

HAHA i literally just said the exact same thing on a different forum thread.

Radeax
Mar 10, 2011, 06:58 AM
Definite buy for me if it comes out to $4.99.

George Knighton
Mar 21, 2011, 08:55 PM
I don't understand why we would need this.

turbobass
Mar 22, 2011, 11:40 AM
Exactly, intangible product offering that creates a sense of value that you can't describe.
I love that BBM does that. Do you know of any other software or hardware that does that may or may not already be discussed constantly on this site? ;):D

mclide
Mar 24, 2011, 09:47 AM
Common misconception with BBM by MANY people.

For those of you that have a BB, if "John" sends you a BBM message, and you want to know what he said, without going into his message (which will effectively tell him you read it), you can open a new chat window with someone else (ie: Sally) and without saying or doing anything in the new message window with Sally, BBM will update in that screen "John says: hey want to go see a movie.

This way you can see the message, and determine if you want to reply to it, or ignore it, and the person who sent it to you will never see that it has been read.

Saved me many of times with my 9700 and annoying people!

Quite the process..

You could just go into your messages tab and see the message without viewing. Or if you have the chat up, you can hit 'end' and it will still mark as unread.

osofast240sx
Mar 27, 2011, 09:13 PM
Latest news is RIM backed out:(

BobbieM629
Mar 29, 2011, 12:42 PM
The only arguments my BBM-loving friends make for the service are that it's faster and you can tell if the other person read your message.

Texting is fast enough for me, and I don't want people to know when I'm ignoring them. So. No thanks.

Exactly! I was a BB user for a while and I have no problem with NOT having BBM.

IRumor123
Apr 25, 2011, 06:14 AM
okay let me get this straight blackberry dosnt want ios and androids to have bbm but ios lets blackberry have almost all of our apps such as whatsapp, Kik, Live Profile ect...

:) Agree or Disagree :(

bigjnyc
Apr 25, 2011, 08:27 AM
okay let me get this straight blackberry dosnt want ios and androids to have bbm but ios lets blackberry have almost all of our apps such as whatsapp, Kik, Live Profile ect...

:) Agree or Disagree :(

Those apps dont belong to Apple, they belong to third party developers who submit them to the App store, and to the android market, and who ever else they want to.

You won't see Apple give iMovie to Blackberry or Android users

Agree or Disagree :)

turbobass
Apr 25, 2011, 01:00 PM
okay let me get this straight blackberry dosnt want ios and androids to have bbm but ios lets blackberry have almost all of our apps such as whatsapp, Kik, Live Profile ect...

:) Agree or Disagree :(
You mean one company doesn't want to give their proprietary software which runs on their proprietary network away and another company can't control what other platform 3rd parties run their apps on? I don't see the question there ;)

Christopher387A
Apr 25, 2011, 02:42 PM
Out of my friends, it seems the only good thing a blackberry is for is for BBM.. This is definitely going to decrease the point of having a blackberry now.

I agree. Seems like BBM is the one thing that Blackberry has that keeps it's customers. With it being available on multiple OSes I see lots of customers jumping ship. Don't see it happening.

navigates
Apr 26, 2011, 01:16 AM
Latest news is RIM backed out:(

Where did you read that?

davidlord
May 2, 2011, 02:40 PM
If this new is true it is really so nice for the user of the black berry messenger.it is become possible to the user of the blackberry that they can now able to use iso and andriod .Both this operating system now can be used.