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[Sun Baked]

The comedy that can be found in the US legal system...Court: Man Can Sue Over Surprise Pregnancy (http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/other/1110/2-24-2005/20050224100031_45.html)

CHICAGO (AP) - An appeals court said a man can press a claim for emotional distress after learning a former lover had used his sperm to have a baby. But he can't claim theft, the ruling said, because the sperm were hers to keep.

The ruling Wednesday by the Illinois Appellate Court sends Dr. Richard O. Phillips' distress case back to trial court.
Click here to find out more!

Phillips accuses Dr. Sharon Irons of a "calculated, profound personal betrayal" after their affair six years ago, saying she secretly kept semen after they had oral sex, then used it to get pregnant.

He said he didn't find out about the child for nearly two years, when Irons filed a paternity lawsuit. DNA tests confirmed Phillips was the father, the court papers state...

[delete to end -- though it gets more strange]

[clayj]

Certainly, the woman's deceitful "re-use" of his genetic material to cause a pregnancy where none should have been possible should let him off the hook for involuntary child support. If he wants to pay, that should be his choice...

I can see it now, though... after committing that particular act, the man offers the woman a glass of water and says, drink this... almost like making sure a mental patient has taken their meds.

EDIT: I just thought of another, albeit fictional, example of this... a similar thing occurs in the movie Presumed Innocent, although the woman uses reused genetic material to frame someone for murder.

[blackfox]

Hahahaha...that is so strange. I have to wonder if this woman wanted a child, why didn't she go about it in a more "traditional" way? There are a number of ways to potentially take advantage of men's uh, stupidity in such avenues...

While strange, I think it is the height of manipulation on the woman's part to file a paternity suit. Poor kid. A mother who used her as a means-to-and-end, and a father who got railroaded into it unaware and unwilling. Damn.

[chanoc]

This came from listener comments, so here it is. Keep a bottle of hot sauce Every place you have sex (Bathroom, bedroom etc.) After you use the condom, put a few drops into the used condom and throw it away. This results in the "Burning of the cooch" if the bitch tries to actually use the contents. :p

[wdlove]

The woman must have taken the sperm to a bank for preservation. The physician should have investigated if the father gave consent. If this isn't policy it should be, no artificial insemination should be done with consent of the father and mother.

In this case I feel sorry for the child, doesn't sound like he's truly loved. Just an object of manipulation. A very hard case, but the child shouldn't suffer for this.

[mad jew]

Thanks for the warning, I'm gonna have to update my genital legal disclaimer. :rolleyes:

[yellow]

Thanks for the warning, I'm gonna have to update my genital legal disclaimer. :rolleyes:

For those of us who are goyim, might I suggest a tattoo right in the line of sight?

[killuminati]

This came from listener comments, so here it is. Keep a bottle of hot sauce Every place you have sex (Bathroom, bedroom etc.) After you use the condom, put a few drops into the used condom and throw it away. This results in the "Burning of the cooch" if the bitch tries to actually use the contents. :p

Hahahaha :D

But I really feel bad for the kid. How horrible this must be for him/her :(

[Leareth]

The woman must have taken the sperm to a bank for preservation. The physician should have investigated if the father gave consent. If this isn't policy it should be, no artificial insemination should be done with consent of the father and mother.


Not necessarily involved a physician, spermies lose their tails in 4-8 hours after ejaculation so she had plenty of time and a turkey baster would do the job of getting it up where it needs to go, so would her dumping the "liquid" into her vagina and raising her pelvis.

I have to agree this is a ugly case of a woman abusing the judicial system
and the man involved. If the man want no paternity rights he should not be obligated to pay child benefits.

[tech4all]

I thought from the title this thread was about spitting or swallowing tooth paste. I guess I was wrong.

Not necessarily involved a physician, spermies lose their tails in 4-8 hours after ejaculation so she had plenty of time and a turkey baster would do the job of getting it up where it needs to go, so would her dumping the "liquid" into her vagina and raising her pelvis.

Is that really practical? A woman can have oral sex, save the "liquid" (gosh thats gross!), and put the "liquid" in her "area", and raise her pelvis so it flows to the "spot"? Like said above in a post, if she would have had sex the "normal" way, it would have been already instead of going through this process.

Why is that these type of threads are getting more common here. I have read two stories of women cutting of a man's "family jewel" with her own hand, then one where a woman slices a guys thing off, now this?! :eek: Oh yeah, and how about those incidents is killed in order for someone to steal the fetus/baby. :eek: :eek:

[virividox]

thats kinda freaky to know that you have kids without having sex now!!! ahhh

[KingSleaze]

I would suspect that his argument should then devolve into anticipated results. ie. he couldn't realistically anticipate progeny after engaging in oral copulation, therefore when an unrealistic situation arose (the child) he shouldn't be penalized for the outcome. (pun not intended) She brought the situation upon herself, she should have to live with the results of her actions.

Whatever became of personal responsibility?

[Moxiemike]

I would suspect that his argument should then devolve into anticipated results. ie. he couldn't realistically anticipate progeny after engaging in oral copulation, therefore when an unrealistic situation arose (the child) he shouldn't be penalized for the outcome. (pun not intended) She brought the situation upon herself, she should have to live with the results of her actions.

Whatever became of personal responsibility?

Perfectly put. It's really looking like there's a good case for celibacy these days. I know a friend who's girlfriend of 8mos at the time, asked for some "rougher" play, and when it was all done, she cried rape putting him in a world of trouble for a spell. Kinda ruined his rep a lil' bit. Lame.

The whole family jewel cutting. badness too. And the mom's who drown their kids and whatnot from "postpartum depression"

It's almost like you're juggling dynamite these days in relationships. And for whatever reason, gays are seen as "subhumans" with a lack of civil rights. I feel for the GLBT community, how ridiculous heterosexuals must appear with this over the top, movie like drama. While i'm sure there's much drama in the GLBT world, it's gotta be discomforting knowing that people like this have all the freedoms of relationships, marriage, child-rearing, all of the benefits our country offers, and they're denied that, whether they're emotionally stable or not.

Weird world we're living in. Well, i'm off to see my GF. :) She's promised me some oral sex.....I have a nice little baggie for her to dispose of all of the stuff in, as well as the proper release forms. I thank my attorneys at Dewey Cheatham and Howe for that paperwork.

That's where we're gonna end up, it's beginning to look like..... :(

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[iGav]

"There's a 5-year-old child here," Mirabelli said. "Imagine how a child feels when your father says he feels emotionally damaged by your birth."

And how will the child feel when they're told that their mother is the type of women who had an affair, sucked off a man, kept the sperm and impregnated herself later on, only then to try and milk (pardon the pun) the 'donator' for $800 a month. :eek:

Poor kid... :rolleyes:

[Moxiemike]

And how will the child feel when they're told that their mother is the type of women who had an affair, sucked off a man, kept the sperm and impregnated herself later on, only then to try and milk (pardon the pun) the 'donator' for $800 a month. :eek:

Poor kid... :rolleyes:

A case for Child & Youth Services to maybe pull the kid. I HIGHLY doubt this woman's sanity, so I don't think she's very well fit to be a mother....

And the dad doesn't want him. I'd just say, "look kid, you're mom is an effin' freak and your dad isn't emotionally stable. you might like these folks better...." and off he goes to a decent foster home.

I can't imagine the regret that the mother must feel at this point, if she's willing to take her absolute idiocy this far. That said, she's not fit. I mean, regret has been the impetus of more than one murder. Maybe she'll get her $800 by taking out some accidental death clause on sonny boy. He should watch out. Women with jaws like hers are TRUE dangers to society....

sick.

[Applespider]

This came from listener comments, so here it is. Keep a bottle of hot sauce Every place you have sex (Bathroom, bedroom etc.) After you use the condom, put a few drops into the used condom and throw it away. This results in the "Burning of the cooch" if the bitch tries to actually use the contents. :p

Chanoc - are you really such a misogynist? You seem to have some offensive ideas and beliefs about women. This isn't an all-male board so any chance of toning it down a little for those of us of the gentler sex. :rolleyes: Of course, if you're the Alaskan guy referred to in the recent 'male genitalia' thread, I guess you'd have a reason to be narked at the female sex. ;)

Back on topic, at the moment, the plaintiff is saying that the woman stored the sperm. Has the woman admitted to doing this? Is there a chance that although full penetrative sex didn't occur, 'bits' were close enough to each other that an accidental pregnancy might happen?

If she did deliberately do it, then I think she had a moral duty to get the guy's permission beforehand(gift or not; only a lawyer could come up with that interpretation!). Without that, I don't think she has any claim on paternity cash.

[Kmacripple]

This is the funniest thread I have ever seen. A thread about oral sex, now I have seen everything.

the type of women who had an affair, sucked off a man, kept the sperm and impregnated herself later on

That is such a good description of this woman. I can tell she has a real high moral standard. What is wrong with people these days.

[Lacero]

This thread needs to get wastelanded or possibly just deleted out of existence.

[Moxiemike]

This thread needs to get wastelanded or possibly just deleted out of existence.

Why does it need to be wastelanded? I think it's good information for people, and a good indication of how pathetic and sue happy we've become as americans.

It's a good illustration of just how ridiculous we've become as a SOCIETY

No point in ignoring the truth.....

[robbieduncan]

This thread needs to get wastelanded or possibly just deleted out of existence.

(Based on the assumption you are above the age of consent wherever you are) If you are old enough, and feel mature enough to engage in these sorts of acts then it is reasonable to be able to discuss them, as well as the potential outcomes, especially if you do not take care in choosing who you do them with.

Having said that I am aware that (and I am trying to say children) people who are not mature enough to be doing this frequent this site I think that they are more than able to read about the world around them and educate themselves. It's not like the linked article is particularly graphic or offensive.

[aloofman]

Chanoc - are you really such a misogynist? You seem to have some offensive ideas and beliefs about women. This isn't an all-male board so any chance of toning it down a little for those of us of the gentler sex.


If it really is based on anything that Tom Leykis said, then misogyny is par for the course.

[Sun Baked]

This thread needs to get wastelanded or possibly just deleted out of existence.You cannot see the humor in this situation?

A woman recycles, then sues the man for child support.

The guy turns around and sues the woman for emotional distress...

However the stuff that got tossed is equally as insane.

Remember boys, if you deposit it in her mouth, it's a gift. ;)

If this had been in the news during the Clinton-Monica era -- the jokes alone would have forced him out of office. :D

[DaiKirai]

The thing that boggles the mind for me is that these people are doctors.

[applebum]

Why does it need to be wastelanded? I think it's good information for people, and a good indication of how pathetic and sue happy we've become as americans.

It's a good illustration of just how ridiculous we've become as a SOCIETY

No point in ignoring the truth.....

Yes, because this story obviously is a good representation of American society as a whole. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[kgarner]

Yes, because this story obviously is a good representation of American society as a whole. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Not that it is a good representation of America, but that the American legal system allows for these kinds of frivilous lawsuits. This is the just the latest in a long line of outrageous lawsuits.

[clayj]

Not that it is a good representation of America, but that the American legal system allows for these kinds of frivilous lawsuits. This is the just the latest in a long line of outrageous lawsuits.Whoa. The lawsuit in this case is not really that outrageous... what IS outrageous is the behavior of a woman who does what this woman did and causes a pregnancy that was clearly not intended by the man. This guy then got screwed over (pardon the pun) by the system, and he's trying to get things put right.

[robbieduncan]

Whoa. The lawsuit in this case is not really that outrageous... what IS outrageous is the behavior of a woman who does what this woman did and causes a pregnancy that was clearly not intended by the man. This guy then got screwed over (pardon the pun) by the system, and he's trying to get things put right.

Whilst he obviously did not intend to have this child I think it's safe to live by the rule: Don't have sex (and this counts too, despite what Clinton said) with anyone you wouldn't have a child with. You just never know.

I'm sure this isn't the first time a man has had a child via the women "injecting" herself later on.

[SFVCyclone]

Just another reason why I dont trust women! ;)

[kgarner]

Whoa. The lawsuit in this case is not really that outrageous... what IS outrageous is the behavior of a woman who does what this woman did and causes a pregnancy that was clearly not intended by the man. This guy then got screwed over (pardon the pun) by the system, and he's trying to get things put right.
I didn't mean his case necessarily (though I do think its frivilous to sue for emotional distress), but the set of cases here (hers and his) is ridiculous. Agreed that the really outrageous thing here is behavior, but the legal system here makes it possible for her to sue him for something that any rational person would agree is ludacrous.

[Hemingray]

Whoa. The lawsuit in this case is not really that outrageous... what IS outrageous is the behavior of a woman who does what this woman did and causes a pregnancy that was clearly not intended by the man. This guy then got screwed over (pardon the pun) by the system, and he's trying to get things put right.

On the other hand it was an affair, and he's guilty in that sense. If he hadn't done it in the first place this wouldn't even be an issue.

Nevertheless, I think the woman is definitely more at fault here.

[wdlove]

Yes, it's the woman that caused the pregnancy to happen. She should have requested permission for an act like this, wrong to force another to pay $800 per month. Maybe after this and the Milton Academy fiasco people will realize that Clinton was wrong when he said "Oral sex isn't sex."

"There's a 5-year-old child here," Mirabelli said. "Imagine how a child feels when your father says he feels emotionally damaged by your birth.

How will the child feel when he finds out what his mother has done. If she went to the extent to cause her own pregnancy, then she should also have made sure that she had the financial resources to raise the child. I think that the same should apply to married couples.

[BubbaJones]

This is why I always ask for a snowball :D !


Just kidding. My small tribute to "Clerks".

[Makosuke]

Wow, you have to feel sorry for that kid--bizzare parental issues aside, I'm with most here that even if she's way more in the wrong I'd have serious doubts that either of those two has any right raising a child. I admit that if I were the father I'd be tempted to get retribution somehow, but telling the kid that it's a source of mental anguish (not to mention theft) is pretty cruel.

On the other hand, this has to be one of the funniest things I've read all week:
"She asserts that when plaintiff 'delivered' his sperm, it was a gift - an absolute and irrevocable transfer of title to property from a donor to a donee," the decision said. "There was no agreement that the original deposit would be returned upon request."Leave it to lawyers to make sex sound even less sexy than a medical textbook.

[VAmin]

applebum- love the sig

[applebum]

applebum- love the sig

Thanks - I believe it is from a t-shirt I saw once.

[Leareth]

I would like to point out the obvious,
the guy should have used a condom and disposed of it himself.
oral sex is NOT safer sex, most of the STD's can be transfered through oral sex, so just because you cant get pregnant is no reason not to cover up.
I used to work at a youth clinic and I can't count the number of times a person would tell me: "what do you mean I have an STD all I did was give/receive a blowjob...thats not sex..."

Another reason not to keep semen in mouth is that it etches the back teeth in a manner similar to what bulemics have (Boyd, et al. 2004).

[eRondeau]

Reminds me of the guy who filed an insurance claim when one of his $200 cigars was "destroyed by fire". Of course this is because he smoked it! Then, predictably, his insurance company had him charged with arson -- for intentionally lighting the cigar on fire.

I am constantly amazed at what people will do to get themselves in trouble.

[BakedBeans]

I would like to point out the obvious,
the guy should have used a condom and disposed of it himself.

what are you saying? is his fault?

oral sex is NOT safer sex, most of the STD's can be transfered through oral sex, so just because you cant get pregnant is no reason not to cover up.
I used to work at a youth clinic and I can't count the number of times a person would tell me: "what do you mean I have an STD all I did was give/receive a blowjob...thats not sex..."

this isnt really about whether or not its safe ect, its about what happened.
i actually cannot believe somebody degraded themselves in this manner, and people trying to blame him for something are crazy,

you get pregnant when you have intercourse if you dont want a child don't do it unprotected, otherwise your stupid (im one of the stupid ones btw) he did not willingly consent to having making a baby, oral sex is a whole different game to intercourse, you cannot get pregnant through oral, and thats the only thing he did, have his manhood sucked, thats it - there is nothing wrong with that - that is no fault of his, she is the one in the wrong

[Warbrain]

Thank you! Thank you!

The stories that go on in my city! Oh, it amazes me.

[Chappers]

I can only say 'YUK'

which is probably more than she could at the time.

[MongoTheGeek]

Thanks - I believe it is from a t-shirt I saw once.

the Register's Cash and Carrion sells them.

http://www.cashncarrion.co.uk/?productID=106&op=catalogue-product_info-null&prodCategoryID=25

[MongoTheGeek]

The thing is that I had been pondering writing a story along those lines except it was a third party who was inseminated.

Thing is that this is a good argument for no sex is safe sex...

[wdlove]

Just another version of consensual oral sex of teenagers. This happened in my area at the elite prep school Milton Academy. The girl has claimed that it was consensual, it started as a party favor for her boyfriend's birthday. It was done near the shower, each one individually.

http://www.here-now.org/shows/2005/02/20050223_13.asp

[robbieduncan]

Just another version of consensual oral sex of teenagers. This happened in my area at the elite prep school Milton Academy. The girl has claimed that it was consensual, it started as a party favor for her boyfriend's birthday. It was done near the shower, each one individually.

http://www.here-now.org/shows/2005/02/20050223_13.asp

I'm not sure what to think about this. As far as I can tell no-one has been hurt here. No one did anything that they did not want to do. It seems to be another case of the authorities sticking their nose in where all things considered their intervention is not needed. Ok perhaps they can be worried that it took place on school property but teenagers will experiment. Is it not better to support them than punish them?

[wdlove]

Milton Academy put out a statement saying that all involved should be treated fairly. The 5 boys were immediately expelled. The girl was immediately put on administrative leave, meaning that she can return. Milton said that this is not a punishment for her, but allowing her time to go home and think. No word from the prosecutor yet.

Yes, all involved need support. Unless this is rectified the boys lives are ruined for life, at worst prison.

[robbieduncan]

The aspect of criminal charges is probably the most disturbing. I take it that at 15 she is below the age of consent? And below the age that the law considers her "adult" enough to make decisions like pressing charges (or do you not need to press charges there)? I can see that there is a case for child protection, but she does not exactly sound like a child! What have the parents been saying about this?

[wdlove]

The aspect of criminal charges is probably the most disturbing. I take it that at 15 she is below the age of consent? And below the age that the law considers her "adult" enough to make decisions like pressing charges (or do you not need to press charges there)? I can see that there is a case for child protection, but she does not exactly sound like a child! What have the parents been saying about this?

It is considered legally as rape of a child under 16 years old. The law is meant to protect a minor from a 20 year old. These were all teenagers. It will hinge on the young lady at this point, if she stays with her original story then it is unlikely that any prosecution will occur. So far the only word from the parents is, "We support our daughter." Here our prosecutors are elected, so a lot will depend on public sentiment also. One of the boys family has already hired a highly place defense attorney.

[MacNut]

I can only say 'YUK'

which is probably more than she could at the time.Thats the funniest thing I've heard in a while. :D

So when this kid asks his father later in life, Dad is oral really sex he will say, I guess so because I have a kid now. :rolleyes:

[chanoc]

Just another reason why I dont trust women! ;)

The more Americanized they are, expect the worst. :eek:

[absolut_mac]

I can only say 'YUK'

which is probably more than she could at the time.

Which bings up the point....

Didn't he notice anything strange about the fact that she never spoke to him after the deed? Or maybe he fell asleep straight afterwords, so he was unaware that she couldn't talk :rolleyes:

[PickledSquirrel]

In the holy quran there is mentioned a case where husband and wife has intercourse, after which the wife engages in something rather naughty with a servant girl, thus empregnating her with the husbands semen. The husband was ruled legit father of the child.

My point is, that for a very long time, we women have been screwing those men over who were stupid enough to let it be done to them. Just as men have been doing with women. In my country, approx. one tenth of the population does not have the father they think they have. Human multiplication is a messy business in every aspect :p

And after all, there is hormonal contraceptives available for men, so either you guys should start using them; or just owe up and take responsibility for where you accidently put your genes.

(maybe there's a brand new market for the insurrance companies? Like getting insured for where you could accidently put your car, maybe it's time to get insured for where you accidently put your semen? Knock a woman up and the insurrance pays the daddy-dough) :D

-Squirrel

[vniow]

I like you.

[clayj]

In the holy quran there is mentioned a case where husband and wife has intercourse, after which the wife engages in something rather naughty with a servant girl, thus empregnating her with the husbands semen. The husband was ruled legit father of the child.Technically, isn't sexual conduct between two women forbidden under Sharia law? If so, I'm surprised the two women in your example (the wife and the servant girl) weren't both executed for immoral conduct.

[PickledSquirrel]

Technically, isn't sexual conduct between two women forbidden under Sharia law? If so, I'm surprised the two women in your example (the wife and the servant girl) weren't both executed for immoral conduct.

As far as I know it's likewise forbidden to execute pregnant women, so perhaps they waited until aforesaid child was born and nursed and handed over to its (emotionally distressed?!) dad :) I must confess I only noted the first legal aspect of the story when I came across it.

-Squirrel

[PickledSquirrel]

I like you.

Feeling is mutual, I'm sure. Maybe we should start a virtual knitting club, or whatever it is we are expected to do :D :D

-Squirrel

[wdlove]

In the holy quran there is mentioned a case where husband and wife has intercourse, after which the wife engages in something rather naughty with a servant girl, thus impregnating her with the husbands semen. The husband was ruled legit father of the child.

My point is, that for a very long time, we women have been screwing those men over who were stupid enough to let it be done to them. Just as men have been doing with women. In my country, approx. one tenth of the population does not have the father they think they have. Human multiplication is a messy business in every aspect :p

And after all, there is hormonal contraceptives available for men, so either you guys should start using them; or just owe up and take responsibility for where you accidently put your genes.

(maybe there's a brand new market for the insurance companies? Like getting insured for where you could accidently put your car, maybe it's time to get insured for where you accidently put your semen? Knock a woman up and the insurance pays the daddy-dough) :D

-Squirrel

In a better case like this Jacob was married to Leah and Rachel. At first Rachel couldn't have children, so she gave her servant girl to Jacob as a wife and she gave him sons. The Leah wasn't having children and she gave her servant girl in the same way. In this case Isaac Took responsibility for his children. All of then were taken care of. Abraham and Isaac did the same.

[John Jacob]

(Based on the assumption you are above the age of consent wherever you are) If you are old enough, and feel mature enough to engage in these sorts of acts then it is reasonable to be able to discuss them, as well as the potential outcomes, especially if you do not take care in choosing who you do them with.

Having said that I am aware that (and I am trying to say children) people who are not mature enough to be doing this frequent this site I think that they are more than able to read about the world around them and educate themselves. It's not like the linked article is particularly graphic or offensive.

What strikes me about this thread is that, although this is entirely a HE SAID, SHE SAID issue (ie his word against hers), everyone is unquestioningly accepting the man's side of the story. I mean, he could be lying too, right?

The original Chicago Tribune article is here (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050224theft,1,5550932.story?coll=chi-news-hed) .

[aloofman]

Technically, isn't sexual conduct between two women forbidden under Sharia law? If so, I'm surprised the two women in your example (the wife and the servant girl) weren't both executed for immoral conduct.

If I remember right, it's male-male sex that results in execution. Lesbian sex merely requires a lashing.

[MongoTheGeek]

What strikes me about this thread is that, although this is entirely a HE SAID, SHE SAID issue (ie his word against hers), everyone is unquestioningly accepting the man's side of the story. I mean, he could be lying too, right?

The original Chicago Tribune article is here (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050224theft,1,5550932.story?coll=chi-news-hed) .

Yeah but if but if she got the Hillary instead of the Monica its just a dumas not taking responsibility and common as dirt. At least with a novel defense.

Honestly though if I were on the jury and believed she got the Janet Reno or the Monica and still ended up pregnant by him, I would probably give her child support anyway.

[wdlove]

An update on the Milton Academy oral Sex problem. A similar account happened on January 22nd. The same 15 year old Sophomore offering oral sex at a undisclosed dormitory room. Two additional boys have been expelled for the first occasion. The girl unfortunately is still at home with her parents to think.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/02/28/earlier_sexual_incident_alleged/

[MongoTheGeek]

An update on the Milton Academy oral Sex problem. A similar account happened on January 22nd. The same 15 year old Sophomore offering oral sex at a undisclosed dormitory room. Two additional boys have been expelled for the first occasion. The girl unfortunately is still at home with her parents to think.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/02/28/earlier_sexual_incident_alleged/

Its a plot by the women to get all the boys expelled and turn it into a sapphic paradise.

[Sun Baked]

If I remember right, it's male-male sex that results in execution. Lesbian sex merely requires a lashing.Some people pay good money for that sort of thing...

But I think I should quit before I get a tongue lashing. :o

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Still find it odd that the case has been before a judge several times, but it doesn't seem like her defense was "he's lying we had intercourse."

[cb911]

wow... can't believe that someone would do that... crazy stuff. :eek:

[wdlove]

Its a plot by the women to get all the boys expelled and turn it into a sapphic paradise.

I think that fair is fair, the young lady should also be expelled. The school had said the same thing earlier. No one should be prosecuted. Chances re they would no longer be accepted or be the center of ridicule.