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Y2HBK
Mar 24, 2011, 09:33 PM
Hey everyone. Looking for some additional input here. I have been looking at getting a new mac to replace my aging 2008 MBP. I want something smaller and more portable. I will mainly use it for web browsing, video streaming (youtube hd, netflix, hulu+) and light gaming (old school games, nothing new really).

Here is where I stand and why I cant decide... yes, cost is an issue.

2010 13" MBA Refurb (4GB RAM & 128GB SD) $1,189
-Higher res screen
-Slim profile & lightweight
-Much more portable

2011 13" MBP (4GB RAM & Dual Core i5, 320GB HDD) $1,099
-Backlit Keyboard (I browse a lot at night in bed)
-Easier to upgrade
-Dual Core CPU
-Kind of like the look of the glass bezel, but not the screen res, lol
-Thunderbolt

First, will either really suit my needs in terms of the GPU?

Second... I think the biggest thing holding me back on the MBP is the screen. The screen on the MBA just seems so much crisper. Also, the MBA comes with the SSD. I do have a SSD I can throw in the MBP, but its only 60GB.. however I do have an external hard drive and I suppose I could always use the SD card slot for backup.

While Thunderbolt is kind of new and not really utilized yet, I feel its more future-proofing my purchase in a way. I also have a 27" Dell monitor I might hook the machine up to occasionally.

Any thoughts?



DrHiggsBoson
Mar 24, 2011, 10:02 PM
I had the same issue about a week ago. I went ahead and bought the 11" macbook air and loved it. I played a little SC2 on low and it ran fine, but the non-glass bezel (it's my first mac and I've always loved this design) and next to no future proofing was a bit of an issue for me, so I decided to switch it out for the 13" macbook pro. I love the design of it and everything, the only thing I have really had an issue with is the 16:9 display. That is just a personal issue, I've been using 16:9 displays for a while. I did find a dead pixel, so I will probably be switching it out again, but I think I'm going to stick with the Pro.

I think in your situation you aren't going to have an issue with the graphics or anything, I think it comes down to which you like more. The Air really is amazing when it comes to the weight and design, but if you plan on ever upgrading you might want to go with the Pro. All of the Air Ram is soldered in, so that's a no go.

Either way, you will be happy. Also, you should think about the fact that you can always sell whichever you choose in a year or so and upgrade again for a few hundred instead of full price. New notebooks every year! :D

solaris7
Mar 24, 2011, 10:44 PM
I want something smaller and more portable. I will mainly use it for web browsing, video streaming (youtube hd, netflix, hulu+) and light gaming (old school games, nothing new really).

MBA 13", 'nuff said.

MoodyMedStudent
Mar 24, 2011, 10:51 PM
I was in this same dilemma. However once I looked at MBA's high resolution screen the MBP just ain't gonna cut it.

aleni
Mar 24, 2011, 11:35 PM
i'd choose MBA 13", because the screen resolution alone is worth it.

screen is the only thing that you will see every time u use the computer, so the higher resolution on the MBA is worth anything than what MBP 13" have. especially since u need portability and you computer usage is fairly light.

Scottsdale
Mar 24, 2011, 11:44 PM
The only real advantage of the 13" MBP is the CPU. Other than that the MBA wins convincingly. I don't understand why it's a difficult decision other than the MBP feeling newer and probably wrongly assuming the MBA could get updated before Fall. The Thunderbolt port will be important in a few years but is almost irrelevant right now. You will probably be onto your next Mac notebook before it becomes highly usable.

I feel that if anyone used both the MBA for a week and then got the MBP to use for a week, after a couple of days they would beg for the MBA back. The advantages are so great for the MBA and it doesn't need a Sandy Bridge CPU to be amazing.

I would recommend the MBA to everyone except those that absolutely need FireWire and Gigabit Ethernet or have some other pressing reason of real work to do that cannot be accomplished by the MBA somehow. The prior poster said it, as the hi resolution display is reason enough to go with the MBA and all the rest are gigantic bonuses!

Good luck whichever route you go!

aleni
Mar 24, 2011, 11:56 PM
The only real advantage of the 13" MBP is the CPU. Other than that the MBA wins convincingly. I don't understand why it's a difficult decision other than the MBP feeling newer and probably wrongly assuming the MBA could get updated before Fall. The Thunderbolt port will be important in a few years but is almost irrelevant right now. You will probably be onto your next Mac notebook before it becomes highly usable.

I feel that if anyone used both the MBA for a week and then got the MBP to use for a week, after a couple of days they would beg for the MBA back. The advantages are so great for the MBA and it doesn't need a Sandy Bridge CPU to be amazing.

I would recommend the MBA to everyone except those that absolutely need FireWire and Gigabit Ethernet or have some other pressing reason of real work to do that cannot be accomplished by the MBA somehow. The prior poster said it, as the hi resolution display is reason enough to go with the MBA and all the rest are gigantic bonuses!

Good luck whichever route you go!

good explanation. i wish i can use MBA 13" as my primary machine, but i just can't.

here's my story, i own every mba series since day one.

my jobs is to do tshirt design, about 4000x4000 px in 300 dpi with photoshop. currently im using a 17" unibody MBP with 2.66ghz core 2 duo, 128GB Corsair SSD and 8GB of Ram. by checking at geekbench result, the 13" MBA ultimate is little bit less faster than my machine, and i really wanted to switch to 13" ultimate MBA because i felt in love with the MBA body since day one. i wish my job is a web developer or an app developer so i can live with MBA as my primary machine. the 2.13 ghz in 13" mba is OK for me, but the lack of ram is my primary concern.

do u think when will MBA get 8GB of ram as an optional built to order? do u have any idea?

The Catalyst
Mar 25, 2011, 12:20 AM
[x] Air
[ ] Pro

christophermdia
Mar 25, 2011, 12:24 AM
I had a 15" i7 w/ssd and my 13" Air "Ultimate" beats it....that being said...13 vs 13, go Air...lifecycle says you will probably upgrade within 2 years so this Air will last you at least that much....just make sure you get the 4gb version, its so fast and portable to where you dont mind taking it with you anywhere...

aleni
Mar 25, 2011, 12:33 AM
I had a 15" i7 w/ssd and my 13" Air "Ultimate" beats it....that being said...13 vs 13, go Air...lifecycle says you will probably upgrade within 2 years so this Air will last you at least that much....just make sure you get the 4gb version, its so fast and portable to where you dont mind taking it with you anywhere...

this is interesting. how can the MBA 13" beat your core i5? please explain to me. because i really like to replace my 17" mbp with the 13"ultimate.

christophermdia
Mar 25, 2011, 07:56 AM
this is interesting. how can the MBA 13" beat your core i5? please explain to me. because i really like to replace my 17" mbp with the 13"ultimate.

Depends on what your doing, if your doing a lot of video encoding etc...then of course the i7 will be faster, geekbench scores are substantially lower for the 13" Ultimate than that of the 15" i7, however, with SSD in both, I found the 13" faster at opening files and programs, I am a huge multi-tasker, I watch my son via webcam at his daycare which I need internet explorer to do, so I run parallels with Win 7 alongside doing my daily mac programs work of excel sheets, word documents, outlook, safari browsing, all while listening to Pandora and an occasional logmein to my home computer. Now dont get me wrong, the i7 had no problem handing this either, but apples to apples, the 13" being as small and powerful as it is keeps up with the i7 toe to toe. I think this 13" would be incredible if I could slap a 512 SSD in it, as I decided to just dump all my pictures, movies and music onto a portable external to supplement the lack of drive space. I sold my i7, and will pick up an i7 Mac Mini if it gets released this year as a server and think that will be the perfect complement to the Air as well as take care of encoding dvd's and music when I need to do that occasionally.

All boils down to what you do and need on a daily basis. For me the Air just works, and works really well.

Precision4
Mar 25, 2011, 08:43 AM
Posting this in the MBA thread will lead you to a vote for the MBA, posting this in the MBP thread will go the other way!!

Anyways, my wife and I had this same debate in Feb. Here is the story.

My wife needed a new laptop for her PhD, but wanted something lightweight (most important for heR), small and powerful enough to handle her heavily formated/referenced documents (Word is painfull with 100+ citations in a document, anyway). We were keeping our eye on the 11" MBA. However, realized that it may be a little to small when sitting infront of Word documents for extended periods since you can only really view 1/2 a page at a time. So we decided on the 13' MBA. We said that we would pick it up once we got back from our 2 week trip to India. We also decide that we would spend the extra 100 for the 4GB of RAm since the MBA only comes with 2GB.

We got back from our trip on Feb. 24 and went to the Apple store on Feb. 25 to pick up the MBA. Low and behold, when we get to the Apple store, the new MBPs are out! After playing with the MBP and MBA and looking at the specs, we went with the MBP. Although we were sacrificing weight, which again was a huge thing for her), the specs of the new MBP and the fact that it already came with 4GB of RAM and was still cheaper than the MBA, we decinded on the MBP.

Now, after having the MBP for about a month, I must say that we made the right decision. This thing is a beast! Yes, the SSD might have been nice, but, truly, it doesnt make that much difference for our purposes. Also, the DVD drive has come in handy for some software installs.

So, that is my story. I would go with the MBP.

johnhalsted
Mar 25, 2011, 11:23 AM
the 13" air can still outperform the 13" pro on most tests, also graphics card is better in the air plus the SSD and better resolution, lightweight etc...

easy choice :D

edit: get 4gb of ram in the air though

Manzana
Mar 25, 2011, 11:45 AM
browsing in bed macbook air wins and it's not even close.

I do miss the backlit keyboard but it is so much better to use that the choice is so obvious that I hate using my Macbook Pro now.

old-wiz
Mar 25, 2011, 11:59 AM
For ordinary use like web browsing, e-mail, light games, iPhoto, iTunes, either one will work. I'm looking at them myself; a MBP is $1199 but a MBA with 4gb ram is 1399. Don't need the superdrive; I have a desktop and a 2009 13" MBP. I'd miss firewire a bit for superduper backups, but USB 2 would do as I don't do it often. I've compared the two in the Apple store, and either one would do. I'd go on how much you have to carry it around; if you carry it around a lot I'd go MBA. If you need firewire or lots of disk space, go MBP.

My MBP has less than 40GB space used on it, so disk space wouldn't matter to me; 128 GB ssd would be fine.

ugp
Mar 25, 2011, 01:09 PM
I would say the MacBook Air hands down.

Since I have gotten mine I love it.

DVD9
Mar 25, 2011, 02:17 PM
Backlit Keyboard (I browse a lot at night in bed)



Major fail.

Never considered the Air because of this.

Rhyalus
Mar 25, 2011, 02:19 PM
Hmmm, this was posted in the Air forum...maybe for a little more neutrality it should be in the Buying Advice section...

Just a thought.

R

xxplosive1984
Mar 25, 2011, 03:22 PM
I would say the MacBook Air hands down.

Since I have gotten mine I love it.

If you didn't have the iMac, would you still say that? Not trying to be a smart *ss, just curious.

stockscalper
Mar 25, 2011, 04:29 PM
Air. Whatever advantage the MBP has in the CPU it loses with its crummy graphics card. The Air's Core Duo is no slouch plus it has a much better graphics card and SSD. As for Thunderbolt it's going to be a long time before you see anything that takes advantage of it, so you're basically waiting for the next upgrade cycle anyway.

AppleScruff1
Mar 25, 2011, 05:06 PM
browsing in bed macbook air wins and it's not even close.

I do miss the backlit keyboard but it is so much better to use that the choice is so obvious that I hate using my Macbook Pro now.

Browsing in bed shouldn't involve a computer. :D

ecib
Mar 25, 2011, 07:30 PM
Hey everyone. Looking for some additional input here. I have been looking at getting a new mac to replace my aging 2008 MBP. I want something smaller and more portable. I will mainly use it for web browsing, video streaming (youtube hd, netflix, hulu+) and light gaming (old school games, nothing new really).

Here is where I stand and why I cant decide... yes, cost is an issue.

2010 13" MBA Refurb (4GB RAM & 128GB SD) $1,189
-Higher res screen
-Slim profile & lightweight
-Much more portable

2011 13" MBP (4GB RAM & Dual Core i5, 320GB HDD) $1,099
-Backlit Keyboard (I browse a lot at night in bed)
-Easier to upgrade
-Dual Core CPU
-Kind of like the look of the glass bezel, but not the screen res, lol
-Thunderbolt

First, will either really suit my needs in terms of the GPU?

Second... I think the biggest thing holding me back on the MBP is the screen. The screen on the MBA just seems so much crisper. Also, the MBA comes with the SSD. I do have a SSD I can throw in the MBP, but its only 60GB.. however I do have an external hard drive and I suppose I could always use the SD card slot for backup.

While Thunderbolt is kind of new and not really utilized yet, I feel its more future-proofing my purchase in a way. I also have a 27" Dell monitor I might hook the machine up to occasionally.

Any thoughts?

I just bought an maxed out MBA 13" a month and a half ago, and bought my girlfriend a new base 13" MBP few weeks ago, so I've been using both extensively, and I can share my experiences with both machines.

First, neither my girlfriend nor I use our notebooks for anything intensive, -basically the exact same use case as you: Web browsing, online videos, Open Office suite, light photoshop, and music.

I'll address each of your points on each computer:

MBA screen: It is fantastic. I like the MBP screen better though. Yes, I understand that the MBA has a higher resolution, but I find that I ALWAYS am pinching out to increase the font size while web browsing and many other tasks. The MBP resolution is simply closer to the resolution I prefer for my content., thought the MBA is obviously crisper, but it's not an insane difference. Aside from that, I find that the colors just 'pop' on the MBP screen better. I enjoy looking at multimedia content more on her machine. Don't get me wrong, the MBA screen is phenomenal, but when they are side by side, I happen to enjoy staring at the MBP screen a bit more. This surprised me, as I thought going in that it was kind of a no-brainer that I would enjoy the higher res MBA screen more. I guess what I'm getting at is don't sweat the lower res on the MBP at all. I mean you can if you want, but I'm not :D

MBA weight and profile: This is where the MBA shines, as it should. I am one of those that takes my book everywhere, including my couch, chair, and bed while at my house. I cannot tell you how much the MBP feels like a ton of bricks compared to the MBA. The MBA can be lifted with little to no effort from the corner, unlike the MBP. It's a little thing that is a bigger deal than I would have thought it would be. MBA is just phenomenal for carting around everywhere. It makes me feel lazy typing that.

MBP backlit keyboard: I'm a touch typist, so my MBA is just fine. That being said, I am constantly on my notebook in relatively low light in the living room watching TV, or in bed. I got my girlfriend her MBP and I confess I jelly. It really is just a great feature. For me, it's like heated seats in a car (I live in Michigan). You don't need them, but the first time you get in a car with them in the cold you are instantly very appreciative. If you are not a touch typist and you work in low light a lot you're going to get a lot of value out of this feature.

MBP easier to upgrade: I bought my MBA for a 3 year lifetime and maxed out the RAM and processor, so I know I'm good. Anything longer than that is just icing if it's still performing well with regards to what I need it to do. If you are upgrading 2008 to 2011, you can do the same with a MBA and be fine with your use case based off that historical timeline. But yes, if you are looking at 5 years or longer, or have a favorite graphically intensive game you'll want to be playing a MBP might be the way to go.

MBP dual core CPU: All I can say is my girl and I have similar use cases, and there's no noticeable difference using her machine or mine. Both are snappy, and I've yet to get a spinning beach ball from either. Nuff said. There are many places on this site where people have put both machines through the paces and gathered good metrics if you're interested, but I find that none of that really matters as long as my machine just does what I need it to do. MBA with a SSD = MPB base to my satisfaction. Note that's just my casual perception from using both, -I haven't done side by side comparisons of various apps and processes, etc.

MBP looks of glass bezel + resolution: Personal taste. Personally, I kind of like the black border around the MBP screen. On e-readers, or anything really, I like a dark border surrounding my content. It makes it easier to focus on and view for some reason, -probably the contrast. Also I think the black border and glass bezel looks a touch classier (but once you close the notebooks MBA wins hands down imho :P). One thing I've noticed is that the MBA screen is superior when viewing in sunlight and other bright light sources. MBP screen is much more reflective and that has bothered me from time to time. As I stated earlier, I personally find the higher resolution of the MBA to be mostly inconsequential. When I'm on her machine I've never once wished the resolution was higher.

MBP thunderbolt: Um, hmm. The MPB has one. I don't know what else to say. She might use it someday? Honestly, It's something that's cool to have I guess, but could care less if it wasn't there. I'm sure other people have very different opinions but that's just my experience.

Finally a couple random observations from using both:

I have found that the downward slant of the MBA is great for typing on for long periods of time. Your wrists don't turn up as much as with the taller edge of the MBP, and it actually makes a big difference in comfort over long periods of time (typing a paper for example).
I have also found the keypad of the MBP to be a little more 'substantial' with a little more 'bounce-back' from the keys if that makes sense. I like it a little better, but both keypads are great. No complaints.
The SSD if the MBA is awesome. Love how quick the boot time is. MBP boots slower but is still quick.


Finally, I attached a pic (sorry for quality) of both notebooks open side by side to the CNN webpage so you can kind of get an idea of the resolution difference when browsing (as far as amount of content on screen). I know when I was at the Apple store they were anchored so I was running back and forth trying to compare both screens. Hope that helps.

Oh yea, -almost forgot. If neither us had our notebooks and I had to buy one tomorrow, I'd go with the ultimate MBA based on the portability and form factor when typing more than any other factors. But it's damn close. I simply don't think you can make a wrong choice, -you're going to be very happy either way. EDIT: For the record, she would go with her MBP again, so I guess I did a good job there ;)


EDIT #2: The far right advert column is different between the two in my attached pic, but the other columns are the same, so you can still use it to compare. Interesting though, since I hit refresh at the exact same time on both computers.

tl;dr: Non-technical review by average guy using both MBA and MBP.

gta50419
Mar 25, 2011, 09:11 PM
Macbook pro.

light up keys
upgradable
more ram
more powerful
cd drive

aleni
Mar 25, 2011, 09:19 PM
Depends on what your doing, if your doing a lot of video encoding etc...then of course the i7 will be faster, geekbench scores are substantially lower for the 13" Ultimate than that of the 15" i7, however, with SSD in both, I found the 13" faster at opening files and programs, I am a huge multi-tasker, I watch my son via webcam at his daycare which I need internet explorer to do, so I run parallels with Win 7 alongside doing my daily mac programs work of excel sheets, word documents, outlook, safari browsing, all while listening to Pandora and an occasional logmein to my home computer. Now dont get me wrong, the i7 had no problem handing this either, but apples to apples, the 13" being as small and powerful as it is keeps up with the i7 toe to toe. I think this 13" would be incredible if I could slap a 512 SSD in it, as I decided to just dump all my pictures, movies and music onto a portable external to supplement the lack of drive space. I sold my i7, and will pick up an i7 Mac Mini if it gets released this year as a server and think that will be the perfect complement to the Air as well as take care of encoding dvd's and music when I need to do that occasionally.

All boils down to what you do and need on a daily basis. For me the Air just works, and works really well.

my 17" mbp feels slow with SSD because of the free space left was about 3GB of 128GB, and sometimes my 11" air feels faster, but after i clean installed SL into the 17" MBP, the MBP feels faster again than the 11" air. yea i know it's not a good way to compare it to the 1.4ghz 11" air.

damnyooneek
Mar 25, 2011, 10:19 PM
best value is the MBP. if weight is the number one priority get the air but everything else on the MBP is better.

topmounter
Mar 26, 2011, 12:38 AM
best value is the MBP. if weight is the number one priority get the air but everything else on the MBP is better.

The screen on the MBA is also better.


If I didn't have an iMac on my desktop, then it would have been a harder choice for me choosing between the MBA and MBP. But if I would have gone with a MBP instead of my 13" MBA Ultimate, then I would have definitely gone with another 15" MBP. The screen resolution alone on the 13" MBP is a non-starter for me.

KohPhiPhi
Mar 26, 2011, 03:58 PM
I was in your same dilemma, but the poor screen resolution on the MBP broke the deal for me and went for a MBA 13" Ultimate instead.

I couldn't be happier with my purchase: ultra portable and 100% powerful enough for everything I throw at it. Seriously: best laptop I've ever owned.

KohPhiPhi
Mar 26, 2011, 04:02 PM
best value is the MBP. if weight is the number one priority get the air but everything else on the MBP is better.

Wrong. The MBP uses a 5400 rpm hard-drive and a 1280x800 resolution, which was OK back in 2007, but not in 2011. To say nothing about the substandard HD3000 GPU...

The ONLY thing MBP is better is A) back-lit keyboard and DVD drive and B) Sandy Bridge quad core processor. And the truth is that 95% of the people buying a 13" laptop don't need an i7 Quad Core for their daily use.

In my opinion, the MBA makes more sense as an all-around great 13" laptop than the MBP.

kdoug
Mar 26, 2011, 05:52 PM
Wrong. The MBP uses a 5400 rpm hard-drive and a 1280x800 resolution, which was OK back in 2007, but not in 2011. To say nothing about the substandard HD3000 GPU...

The ONLY thing MBP is better is A) back-lit keyboard and B) CPU. And the truth is that 95% of the people buying a 13" laptop don't need an i7 Quad Core for their daily use.

In my opinion, the MBA makes more sense as an all-around great 13" laptop than the MBP.
The intel chip is not inferior but on par with the nvidia. Still, disappointing considering the nvidia is a year old.

KohPhiPhi
Mar 26, 2011, 06:10 PM
The intel chip is not inferior but on par with the nvidia. Still, disappointing considering the nvidia is a year old.

The intel chip is indeed inferior. Tests show equal graphic performance on MBA and MBP because the MBP's SandyBridge's muscle keeps the GPU from falling behind, but the GPU's own processing power is lower than that of Nvidia's.

kdoug
Mar 26, 2011, 07:25 PM
The intel chip is indeed inferior. Tests show equal graphic performance on MBA and MBP because the MBP's SandyBridge's muscle keeps the GPU from falling behind, but the GPU's own processing power is lower than that of Nvidia's.
In terms of performance where is it inferior? I've read dozens of articles and the intel chip, (regardless of what's powering it) is on par with the nvidia. I'm providing a link. If anything, the nvidia could be considered inferior.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1102927

AppleScruff1
Mar 26, 2011, 07:59 PM
In terms of performance where is it inferior? I've read dozens of articles and the intel chip, (regardless of what's powering it) is on par with the nvidia. I'm providing a link. If anything, the nvidia could be considered inferior.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1102927

There you go, being logical. :D

Faux Carnival
Mar 27, 2011, 05:49 AM
I would say MBA but now neither of them. Wait for the MBA update with new generation Sandy Bridge CPU's.

neteng101
Mar 27, 2011, 08:28 AM
I can't imagine why people keep comparing 13" MBA to 13" MBP... the lo-res 13" MBP screen is a true deal breaker.

13" MBP + hi-res 1440x900 screen, would make things a whole lot harder (even if the screen was a $100-150 upgrade option).

And the SB 13" MBPs are rather toasty (ie. run hot) so maybe Ivy Bridge is the answer, plus a screen upgrade option (if Apple ever decides to offer it).

KohPhiPhi
Mar 27, 2011, 08:40 AM
In terms of performance where is it inferior? I've read dozens of articles and the intel chip, (regardless of what's powering it) is on par with the nvidia.

Because in those tests, the HD3000 is paired with a Sandy Bridge, whereas the Nvidia is paired with a C2D. That's why the results are moreless equal: because the Sandy Bridge's muscle overcomes the HD3000's lack of oomph, bringing the overall outcome up. If you paired both cards with the same processor, the tests would clearly tilt towards the Ndivia.

rower
Mar 27, 2011, 08:48 AM
I have both.

I used the 11" more for casual work as you suggest you do.
The 13" now feels too big, unless I am working at a desk.

The 11" definitely feels smaller and more portable, despite the dimensions appearing close when you read about it. Big difference.

The screen density is smaller so I pinch and zoom more on the 11".

I don't feel any compromises on the 11 vs 13, for what I do.

If I was doing lots of work etc the 13" has much more screen real estate.

If I had to keep one, it would probably be the 11". When I am in school, writing papers etc without an external monitor, then the 13".

I would not go back to a mbp.

And there doesn't seem to be any difference in performance between the 11 and 13". Both of mine are maxed out models.

HiddenGem
Mar 27, 2011, 12:35 PM
I would say MBA but now neither of them. Wait for the MBA update with new generation Sandy Bridge CPU's.

Does anyone think the update will include Thunderbolt, backlit screen and lce with better colour gamut?

kdoug
Mar 27, 2011, 01:17 PM
I can't imagine why people keep comparing 13" MBA to 13" MBP... the lo-res 13" MBP screen is a true deal breaker.

13" MBP + hi-res 1440x900 screen, would make things a whole lot harder (even if the screen was a $100-150 upgrade option).

And the SB 13" MBPs are rather toasty (ie. run hot) so maybe Ivy Bridge is the answer, plus a screen upgrade option (if Apple ever decides to offer it).
On the other hand, having an outdated processor, unlit keyboard, limited upgrades and no ports would seem like a deal breaker to others.

teerexx52
Mar 27, 2011, 02:20 PM
Sold my 13" MBA ultimate yesterday locally and bought a base 13" MacBook Pro. My MBA was giving me trouble and after several visits to the genius bar I decided to make the switch.

Ridley
Mar 29, 2011, 11:25 AM
I am of the opposite view of a lot of the posts here. I've been debating buying the 11 inch or 13 inch MBA for my girlfriend. I went to the store yesterday to really look them over with my own eyes. The 13 inch MBA didn't seem that much more portable than the 13 inch MBP. For the money, I would go with the MBP, you can upgrade the hard drive (even to SSD) and RAM in the future. You don't have to worry about filling it up with movies and pictures, and you've got a little more raw horsepower just in case.

Seriously even if you are not a power user, but have a decent point and shoot you can fill up the 128 gigs SSD on the MBA really quick... especially with the HD movies and movie clips that point and shoots do now. That is before adding in applications, music, and other media to the mix. So then what do you do, spend another grand on the OWC MBA drives? Ruin your portabilty by tethering to external drives?

Now maybe you don't have a camera, not interested in media, you just want to surf the web, word process, email, etc. Then it seems like you'd be perfect for the 11 inch? And if you occasionally want more screen space use your cost savings to pick up an external monitor. Just my opinion but after seeing and holding the 13 MBA and 13 MBP I didn't really get it.

entatlrg
Mar 29, 2011, 12:11 PM
Sold my 13" MBA ultimate yesterday locally and bought a base 13" MacBook Pro. My MBA was giving me trouble and after several visits to the genius bar I decided to make the switch.

Sorry to loose a member from the MBA club :)

Do you think it was your Air that couldn't handle the tasks you where doing or just a problem with that one particular notebook? Did you try another Air or swap out for the 13" MBP right away.

How do you like the MBP?

s.hasan546
Mar 29, 2011, 06:14 PM
Wrong. The MBP uses a 5400 rpm hard-drive and a 1280x800 resolution, which was OK back in 2007, but not in 2011. To say nothing about the substandard HD3000 GPU...

The ONLY thing MBP is better is A) back-lit keyboard and DVD drive and B) Sandy Bridge quad core processor. And the truth is that 95% of the people buying a 13" laptop don't need an i7 Quad Core for their daily use.

In my opinion, the MBA makes more sense as an all-around great 13" laptop than the MBP.

How is he wrong? Hands down its a better VALUE keyword: VALUE.

All of you MBA users keep forgetting to mention the price factor. Im not comparing the mbp 13" to the mba 11". the only fair comparison is to the MBA 13". For the extra $$ you save you can get a MBP 13" + 8gb ram + ssd.

my mbp 13" cost me $1100 + $60 (ram) = $100 (Momentus XT).
So $1260 for a computer that is a ton faster than a MBA.