OS X 10.4 Tiger build 8A393 Seeded

[MacRumors]

According to macosXrumors.com (http://www.macosxrumors.com/articles/2005/02/25/mac-os-x-tiger-build-8a393-and-ard-22-build-7c10-seeded/), Apple has seeded build 8A393 of Tiger out to developers, along with Apple Remote Desktop (ARD) 2.2 build 7C10.

While there are still known issues in the build, the list of items to fix is shorter than that of the last major build - 8A378 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/02/20050214100359.shtml).

There's no detailed information yet about what has changed in Remote Desktop 2.2.

[bobindashadows]

Hmm, if it' smaller, maybe they're getting closer to the final product? I would hope so, a WWDC release is what most are probably counting on.

[VicMacs]

maybe for may-june?

[Doctor Q]

We continue to have unresolved problems with Apple Remote Desktop at school, even after some help from Apple in trying to resolve it, so I look forward to another new version.

[dizastor]

Good sign that the list is getting shorter. Here's hoping for Tiger shipping before the last possible day of the first half!

[stoid]

Builds coming in @ 11 days apart. This is good news! We're getting close to seeing a final product.

[kasei]

Take your time Apple with Tiger. Don't rush the process....

[PlaceofDis]

glad to see things coming along, hope everything is tweaked and worked out by release

[iceTrX]

With a list that small, is it possible that we will see a release candidate by early March and possibly gold by mid March? March 24th sounds good to me. :D

[Object-X]

Speed would be a good improvement to RD; man, it's a dog. This is dissappointing because Microsoft's RD client is very responsive, even over a VPN.

[leenoble]

I'm no software developer but they're still in A series (8AXXX).
From what I've read there are two more development phases after that at least. Anyone have records on how long Panther took in the B and C(?!?) phases. I know the last one was relatively short but I'm sure the middle phase took a while. There were a few builds in the 7B cycle.
I can't see any way this will be out in March (some hopeful people reckon) when we're still in a A series.
June is looking likelier and likelier to me.

[NeoMayhem]

I'm no software developer but they're still in A series (8AXXX).
From what I've read there are two more development phases after that at least. Anyone have records on how long Panther took in the B and C(?!?) phases. I know the last one was relatively short but I'm sure the middle phase took a while. There were a few builds in the 7B cycle.
I can't see any way this will be out in March (some hopeful people reckon) when we're still in a A series.
June is looking likelier and likelier to me.

I think that panther final was still an A, and then the first update made it B. Its at U now, so it doesn't really matter.

[jayscheuerle]

Good sign that the list is getting shorter.


Wouldn't that be expected?

[jayscheuerle]

Builds coming in @ 11 days apart. This is good news! We're getting close to seeing a final product.

I don't get the correlation. Will we be closer to final when the builds are longer or shorter between?

[jayscheuerle]

Issues fixed in this build:
- The Dock hang after dragging items to the Dock is fixed.
- CD installs work again.
- iDVD 4.x - 5.x and iMovie 4.x - 5.x can now see iPhoto 5.x photos in a users iPhoto library normally.
- Finder windows update window titles normally after switching to a new directory in the same Finder window again.
- FireWire devices (including iPods) should eject normally.
- iDisk syncing shouldn’t hang.
- The blue screen after installation or at login should not occur.

These don't seem like minor tweaks to me. They seem like pretty big, integral parts of the OS... Sounds like there's a lot of work ahead if these were a problem up until now...

[impierced]

I think that panther final was still an A, and then the first update made it B. Its at U now, so it doesn't really matter.

The Panther final was a B. I believe it was 7B85. The developer (WWDC build) was an A build and everything I received after that was B.

[CubaTBird]

guys.. this is a good thing... just proves that tiger dev is going its course.. thing is with wwdc being held a few weeks early this year, compared to last years, i have a feelin it will be shown off their.. i why would apple release it on some random tuesday in april? wouldn't they wanna show it off first? the final product that is...

[patseguin]

Is it true that Apple has added more dock effects to Tiger? I'm really excited about seeing better 6800 drivers too. I may have to slap mine back in if they have optimized drivers for it.

[iFaulder]

Personally I would rather they take there time and get it done right then have them rush and miss things.

If I was Jobs I would release it at WWDC. But as long as its out before Long Horn I'll be happy.

[daveL]

Sorry, Tiger isn't being let out of the cage any time soon.

[swissmann]

I'm with the get it right crowd. The only thing that would change my mind would be FCP 5 that requires Tiger - then I would be anxious to get it.

[virividox]

June june june!!! please be out by june

[GigaWire]

Speed would be a good improvement to RD; man, it's a dog. This is dissappointing because Microsoft's RD client is very responsive, even over a VPN.

Though I look forward to improvements for ARD, I don't really see its current speed being THAT bad.

[digitalbiker]

I'm no software developer but they're still in A series (8AXXX).
From what I've read there are two more development phases after that at least. Anyone have records on how long Panther took in the B and C(?!?) phases.

This is a misunderstanding. Many people think the A stands for Alpha, the B stands for Beta, etc. In fact the A & B are just hex number representations of the build number.

A is 10, B is 11, C is 12 etc. My guess is that we will see Tiger released late March to early April.

[200paul]

Speed would be a good improvement to RD; man, it's a dog. This is dissappointing because Microsoft's RD client is very responsive, even over a VPN.

Here here to that - I manage a group of Macs, 6 Windows machines, and a Windows Server 2003. I use the Apple Remote Desktop and Microsofts Remote Desktop Connection and Microsoft kills the Apple product on speed. We almost thought we could run all 6 windows machines on server machine and get the people with the windows machines MAcs and just have them log into the server to run windows because it was soooooooo fast and usable. Its kinda sad when Microsoft products run better on Macs than Mac products do.

[tmornini]

I'm no software developer but they're still in A series (8AXXX).


I am a software developer, but I have no direct knowledge of how Apple
designates builds.

It would appear from the structure and history, however, that the first
digit is a major release milestone, i.e. 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 and
that the numbers date back all the way to NextStep/OpenStep days.

The second position (the letter) would be most likely major integration
points, or internal milestones. I would *guess* that they may be related
to internal development lines (branches) and therefore favor the integration
point viewpoint, but again I have no internal insight.

One reason I favor the branch integration position is that the profusion
of letter revisions is waining as OS X matures. There are likely fewer
discussions internally as to "which way to proceed" which would cause
fewer branches, and fewer integration points.

My $.02

[ClarkeB]

PowerBook dual-core G5s with Cell processor and TiVo abilities to ship with Tiger this Tuesday!

[wdlove]

June june june!!! please be out by june

We know that it will be out by the end of June. Steve promised twice, will be out 1st half of 2005. I would prefer June myself, the 24th sounds good. In the end all that really matters is that Tiger is the best that it can be, so don't want to see them rush.

[BornAgainMac]

I wish there was a "Panther Plus!" free download to try out some of the smaller features of Tiger like Dashboard. The wait is killing me.

[bennetsaysargh]

aggregate USB audio streaming should be added. i hope they're going to revamp CoreAudio so i can use multiple USB audio devices. (firewire is expensive!)

[jayscheuerle]

Does anyone know the time it usually takes between the last seeded (GM?) build and when commercial packages are on the shelves? It would seem that after a seed, they'd have to wait a bit to see if any remaining major bugs are found before shipping it off to press, but from the moment it gets the big "thumbs up", how long until boxed units are available? 2 week turnaround? More/Less?

[Trekkie]

Here here to that - I manage a group of Macs, 6 Windows machines, and a Windows Server 2003. I use the Apple Remote Desktop and Microsofts Remote Desktop Connection and Microsoft kills the Apple product on speed. We almost thought we could run all 6 windows machines on server machine and get the people with the windows machines MAcs and just have them log into the server to run windows because it was soooooooo fast and usable. Its kinda sad when Microsoft products run better on Macs than Mac products do.

you can thank Citrix for that performance increase. Keep in mind you are comparing a 'remote control' software to a 'remote windowing' software. The Microsoft product was designed so that only the mouse/kb/screen redraws are sent over the wire and everything else is done locally, whil ARD does everything over the wire, so it's going to be slower.

[BornAgainMac]

you can thank Citrix for that performance increase. Keep in mind you are comparing a 'remote control' software to a 'remote windowing' software. The Microsoft product was designed so that only the mouse/kb/screen redraws are sent over the wire and everything else is done locally, whil ARD does everything over the wire, so it's going to be slower.

That is probably why it is necessary to go to B/W or greyscale mode to help with performance. I am glad I didn't bother upgrading. I'll wait until version 3 to see if they address the performance.

[WM.]

This is a misunderstanding. Many people think the A stands for Alpha, the B stands for Beta, etc. In fact the A & B are just hex number representations of the build number.

A is 10, B is 11, C is 12 etc. My guess is that we will see Tiger released late March to early April.
The letters are definitely not hex. The release version of 10.3.8 is 7U16, and U is decidedly not a hexadecimal number...

WM

[WM.]

Does anyone know the time it usually takes between the last seeded (GM?) build and when commercial packages are on the shelves? It would seem that after a seed, they'd have to wait a bit to see if any remaining major bugs are found before shipping it off to press, but from the moment it gets the big "thumbs up", how long until boxed units are available? 2 week turnaround? More/Less?
I believe the time between the seeding of 7B85 and the official Panther release (10/24/03) was roughly a month. It was just about in the middle of those two events--in the first week of October--that they announced the ship date as 10/24. Until that happened, we didn't know for sure whether 7B85 was going to be GM or if there was going to be further seeding.

So I guess the answer is that it should be about a month, but maybe they'll be extra careful and take longer, and we won't know whether a given seed is "the" seed until they announce a ship date.

HTH
WM

[Sleix]

I wish there was a "Panther Plus!" free download to try out some of the smaller features of Tiger like Dashboard. The wait is killing me.What they should do is give a $20 time limited issue of Tiger Release Candidates for those regular folk who aren't so lucky to be able to afford the ADC memberships. It'd be similar to what M$ did back in 2001 with WinXP's release.

I mean, think of the response they'd get from diehards with little money and the yearning to be the next on the block (after those rich blowhards who can afford ADC) with a release candidate of Tiger in their machines...I mean, you could limit it to 250,000 or so users, and even give a cheap incentive of say...the first 25,000 will get $20 coupon off their copy of Tiger later on...they'd also get a little more value with a small bug reporting system that could be put in place for those who joined up, so they could remove those little pesky bugs that don't show up until after the release...

Here's wishing for Apple to take up on this idea... ;)

[The Black Rock]

What they should do is give a $20 time limited issue of Tiger Release Candidates for those regular folk who aren't so lucky to be able to afford the ADC memberships. It'd be similar to what M$ did back in 2001 with WinXP's release.

I mean, think of the response they'd get from diehards with little money and the yearning to be the next on the block (after those rich blowhards who can afford ADC) with a release candidate of Tiger in their machines...I mean, you could limit it to 250,000 or so users, and even give a cheap incentive of say...the first 25,000 will get $20 coupon off their copy of Tiger later on...they'd also get a little more value with a small bug reporting system that could be put in place for those who joined up, so they could remove those little pesky bugs that don't show up until after the release...

Here's wishing for Apple to take up on this idea... ;)

That's an excellent idea. Do you have any idea why something like that isn't already happening?

Tiger will be released somewhere between March and May, and no later. I'm just guessing, but it's sounds reasonable to me.

[ryanyogan]

Apple really wants to keep the features on the wraps and only let the dedicated people whom develop big applications for it see them. I guess they like the element of surprise or something..

[blackcrayon]

They have a decent product as far as features, but ARD 2.0 and 2.1 are the most unstable released Apple applications I have ever used. The admin app quits on a whim, installing or copying software fails for no obvious reason, the cursor disappears doing screen sharing or sometimes screen updates cease entirely, etc. Check the Apple Remote Desktop section of Apple's support forums for all of the issues. Let's hope 2.2 is out soon!

[wtmcgee]

That's an excellent idea. Do you have any idea why something like that isn't already happening?

Tiger will be released somewhere between March and May, and no later. I'm just guessing, but it's sounds reasonable to me.

I always view the initial release of an OS as that same type of thing.

I usually wait a few weeks to install any new OS, as any major issues that may crop up for me have already been found and hopefully addressed.

[rendezvouscp]

That's an excellent idea. Do you have any idea why something like that isn't already happening?

Can you imagine the bad press Apple would get with beta versions of Tiger floating around, if really bad things happened to those users? It would make Apple look very sloppy. For example, the Spotlight issues didn't appear in original developer builds, but have cropped up recently. It just wouldn't be a good idea.

It was, however, a good idea when Mac OS X, as a whole, was beta. People really knew what they were getting into, and Mac OS X was a "baby" (more like a kindergartner...).
-Chase

[ASP272]

I am more than happy to wait for perfection. Well, at least as good as it gets. :D I don't have any G5's anyway, so the 64bit thing is going to be awhile for me. Glad to see progress though.

[floatingspirit]

I am more than happy to wait for perfection. :p



Dudes,

Macs already rock. What could be better? :D

[fossyy]

I'm curently running 10.3.8 on a 12 "powerbook and are keen to get ilife 05 but if tiger is getting close maybe i should wait for tiger and get it with the os for free. :confused:

[BWhaler]

I'm curently running 10.3.8 on a 12 "powerbook and are keen to get ilife 05 but if tiger is getting close maybe i should wait for tiger and get it with the os for free. :confused:

iLife doesn't come with Tiger, so you should buy it now.

[hob]

Can you imagine the bad press Apple would get with beta versions of Tiger floating around, if really bad things happened to those users? It would make Apple look very sloppy. For example, the Spotlight issues didn't appear in original developer builds, but have cropped up recently. It just wouldn't be a good idea.

It was, however, a good idea when Mac OS X, as a whole, was beta. People really knew what they were getting into, and Mac OS X was a "baby" (more like a kindergartner...).
-Chase
Yeah, I agree - nice idea, but wholly impractical. Windows OS releases are more like the equivalent of major mac os milestones - so the next time Apple does anything like that should be for OS 11 - and even then, not necessarily so...

Tiger Lite would be a lot of work for a dev team trying to get a full os release out, without having many benefits. The core user base (us) are still going to buy 10.4 regardless...

Hob

[wdlove]

Just to keep us off guard, Steve may announce the release date at WWDC. Would allow for the line of releases on the 24th.

[daveL]

I believe the time between the seeding of 7B85 and the official Panther release (10/24/03) was roughly a month. It was just about in the middle of those two events--in the first week of October--that they announced the ship date as 10/24. Until that happened, we didn't know for sure whether 7B85 was going to be GM or if there was going to be further seeding.

So I guess the answer is that it should be about a month, but maybe they'll be extra careful and take longer, and we won't know whether a given seed is "the" seed until they announce a ship date.

HTH
WM
7B85 was released to developers on 10/14/03 and to the public on 10/24/03. Looks like 10 days to me.

[GodBless]

I hope Mac OS X Tiger comes out for the X86 processors as rumored. This will put everyone's PC to good use.

[jsw]

I hope Mac OS X Tiger comes out for the X86 processors as rumored. This will put everyone's PC to good use.I'd heard that there were requests, but I hadn't heard any rumors that it would actually happen, certainly not for Tiger. Any links to the contrary?

[The Black Rock]

Can you imagine the bad press Apple would get with beta versions of Tiger floating around, if really bad things happened to those users? It would make Apple look very sloppy. For example, the Spotlight issues didn't appear in original developer builds, but have cropped up recently. It just wouldn't be a good idea.

It was, however, a good idea when Mac OS X, as a whole, was beta. People really knew what they were getting into, and Mac OS X was a "baby" (more like a kindergartner...).
-Chase

I don't think that the press would be as bad as you're thinking. The people come to the public beta fully aware of the consequences, sign waivers, sign NDAs when possible, make clones/dupes/backups or whatever. It would just be a much larger sample size. Automatic feedback from such a large group would make the work on the OS faster by magnitudes.

There probably wouldn't be any "problem-creep" as more and more permutaions of system configurations are upgrading to Tiger, since a good handful of the problems would've been solved already.

Maybe I don't what might happen, maybe I'm just idealistic, or maybe I'm just really pining for Tiger... and Core Image, and Core Video, and H.264, and new iChat, and Automator, and Spotlight, and Safari 2.0 RSS, and Dashboard widgets, etc.

I guess I'll just keep waiting... :(

[cgratti]

Sorry, Tiger isn't being let out of the cage any time soon.
I don't care if it takes until December, just get it right. I would rather wait than get a rushed product with a ton of bugs.

[cgratti]

I hope Mac OS X Tiger comes out for the X86 processors as rumored. This will put everyone's PC to good use.

I dont want Tiger for X86's. Let the people who want PCs stay with Windows. If you want the stability of OSX, then buy a Mac.

Do you realize if they put OSX on PC's the amount of Viruses and Spyware that will filter to OSX? People will go nuts making crap for OSX and we all will be in the same boat as PC users are now with having to update virus protection and stuff every day. Not for me, I like it the way it is now.

[bennetsaysargh]

who is to say that maybe apple would make their own x86 computer? i mean, if you think about it, it might be able to get the prices cheaper on some macs.

[~loserman~]

Hmm, if it' smaller, maybe they're getting closer to the final product? I would hope so, a WWDC release is what most are probably counting on.

I can tell you that so far each beta release has gotten worse. Although I havent tested 8A393 yet but 8A385 is absolutly horrendous.

[WM.]

7B85 was released to developers on 10/14/03 and to the public on 10/24/03. Looks like 10 days to me.
Thanks for the correction. Looks like I was remembering wrong (hey, it has been almost a year and a half... :) ).

Here (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=207)'s the AppleInsider article that appears to contain the first reference to 7B85 (on 10/1/03). You'll notice that the rumors at that point did turn out to be pretty much right (7B85 was indeed the GM). However, there had been several "this will be the GM!!!11" false alarms before then, which was basically my point: the first few times someone claims that a particular build will be GM, they'll probably be wrong, and it will be hard to nail down a release date until Apple announces it...

By the way, I'm almost positive that the 10/14 date you cited was about a week after Apple announced that Panther would come out on 10/24, for whatever that's worth...

WM

[webraider]

I just upgraded my Sawtooth with a 1.2 GHZ Processor, a SuperDrive, 1 gig of Memory, and I have two Seageate internals (80 and 120 gig)! I've been stuck in 10.2.8 and me being a musician... I've waited too long to get my hands on Garage Band. Here is my dilemna... do I Purchase OS X 3.0 now, and go through the time and hassle of upgrading everything... or Do I WAIT another 4 months for Apple to release OS X 4.0?!?!?! With My luck all you please waiters will be correct and it will be 4 months... But as soon as I buy OS X 3.0... it will come out. I just don't want to have to do fresh installs of everything all Over agin in another two-three months.

[CubaTBird]

I just upgraded my Sawtooth with a 1.2 GHZ Processor, a SuperDrive, 1 gig of Memory, and I have two Seageate internals (80 and 120 gig)! I've been stuck in 10.2.8 and me being a musician... I've waited too long to get my hands on Garage Band. Here is my dilemna... do I Purchase OS X 3.0 now, and go through the time and hassle of upgrading everything... or Do I WAIT another 4 months for Apple to release OS X 4.0?!?!?! With My luck all you please waiters will be correct and it will be 4 months... But as soon as I buy OS X 3.0... it will come out. I just don't want to have to do fresh installs of everything all Over agin in another two-three months.

patience young squire... tiger will come..

[daveL]

Thanks for the correction. Looks like I was remembering wrong (hey, it has been almost a year and a half... :) ).
By the way, I'm almost positive that the 10/14 date you cited was about a week after Apple announced that Panther would come out on 10/24, for whatever that's worth...

WM
Well, the 7B85 seed note on the ADC download site is dated 10/14/03. But,hey, it ain't that important. :)

[wdlove]

patience young squire... tiger will come..

Yes, each day we are getting one day closer. I'm going to take Steve at his word on this.

[Eastend]

Here is my dilemna... do I Purchase OS X 3.0 now, and go through the time and hassle of upgrading everything... or Do I WAIT another 4 months for Apple to release OS X 4.0?!?!?! With My luck all you please waiters will be correct and it will be 4 months... But as soon as I buy OS X 3.0... it will come out. I just don't want to have to do fresh installs of everything all Over agin in another two-three months.

If you can wait up to 4 months, I'd say wait it out, but the way Apple is, do not say I told you to wait. (3.0 GHz anyone within a year?)or(G4's at 500 MHz for over a year.)

Brian

[webraider]

If you can wait up to 4 months, I'd say wait it out, but the way Apple is, do not say I told you to wait. (3.0 GHz anyone within a year?)or(G4's at 500 MHz for over a year.)

Brian


I think I read in an earlier post the ilife will not come with Tiger. Is this correct? I have to buy ilife in addition to tiger. I wasn't aware this was this case.

[Eastend]

I think I read in an earlier post the ilife will not come with Tiger. Is this correct? I have to buy ilife in addition to tiger. I wasn't aware this was this case.

I really cannot help you on that one. However, when I purchased Panther iLife did not come with it, when I purchased a new G5 it did. Do not know, but I'd bet it is a seperate purchase.

Brian

[Plymouthbreezer]

Hi guys, just wanted to chime in here...

This latest seed seems very stable, but is realllly slow for me.

Otherwise, it's looking good. :)

[~loserman~]

Hi guys, just wanted to chime in here...

This latest seed seems very stable, but is realllly slow for me.

Otherwise, it's looking good. :)

Your kidding right?

I have 12 software apps that have been broken by the last 3 seeds of Tiger.
Plus the server version kernel panics like crazy on my Xserves.

[Mike Teezie]

What would be truly awesome, is with all this attention on Tiger, Steve dropped some insane hardware on us at WWDC.

Unlikely, but the jaw drop factor would be super cool.

[notjustjay]

I think I read in an earlier post the ilife will not come with Tiger. Is this correct? I have to buy ilife in addition to tiger. I wasn't aware this was this case.

iLife has never been part of the OS, just pre-installed for free when you buy a new Mac.

[wdlove]

Hi guys, just wanted to chime in here...

This latest seed seems very stable, but is realllly slow for me.

Otherwise, it's looking good. :)

Happy to hear about you statement of its stability. What type of Mac are you running?

[Plymouthbreezer]

Your kidding right?

I have 12 software apps that have been broken by the last 3 seeds of Tiger.
Plus the server version kernel panics like crazy on my Xserves.Nope, slow for me... Then again, I'm running it off my iPod!

Edit: To above question, I'm running an G4 17" iMac, 1 Ghz, 512 MB Ram.

[OasisNYK]

Is it worth buying a G4 powerbook if Tiger is right around the corner? Will it work on a G4 - or is the 64 bit instructions specifically for the G5?

I am going to buy a new laptop soon and I am liking the macs.

[~loserman~]

Is it worth buying a G4 powerbook if Tiger is right around the corner? Will it work on a G4 - or is the 64 bit instructions specifically for the G5?

I am going to buy a new laptop soon and I am liking the macs.

Tiger will run on a G3, G4 and G5.
Tiger is a 32 bit OS

The limited 64 bit support is only on G5
The 64 bit support is very very limited and most people/users will never see a benifit from it. It is only for POSIX based programs(read this as command line only) it will be used for daemons and command line apps.

[bosrs1]

I can't wait to see the final version. Tiger is gorgeous already and runs like a dream. I'm especially enjoying the Dashboard widgets and the new DVD player.

[wdlove]

Nope, slow for me... Then again, I'm running it off my iPod!

Edit: To above question, I'm running an G4 17" iMac, 1 Ghz, 512 MB Ram.

Sounds like you need to purchase more RAM. Not enough memory can be a big reason for your system acting slow. At least 1 GB would be a good idea.

[jayscheuerle]

Tiger...

Runs like a dream...

Is slow but stable...

Buggier with every new release...


Mileage may vary I guess, but I'd like a little bit more consistent evaluations if I'm expected to have faith in a product that is being willed to ship in the next couple months...

[bosrs1]

Tiger...

Runs like a dream...

Is slow but stable...

Buggier with every new release...


Mileage may vary I guess, but I'd like a little bit more consistent evaluations if I'm expected to have faith in a product that is being willed to ship in the next couple months...
I don't know where you're getting your info. But it's getting faster and less buggy with every new release. The latest one only has 15 minor bugs left as opposed to hundreds of major ones in the earlier releases.

[jayscheuerle]

I don't know where you're getting your info. But it's getting faster and less buggy with every new release. The latest one only has 15 minor bugs left as opposed to hundreds of major ones in the earlier releases.

This thread?

"I can tell you that so far each beta release has gotten worse. Although I havent tested 8A393 yet but 8A385 is absolutly horrendous."

"I have 12 software apps that have been broken by the last 3 seeds of Tiger. Plus the server version kernel panics like crazy on my Xserves."

No personal insight myself, but why is your word better than these other peoples?

[bosrs1]

This thread?

"I can tell you that so far each beta release has gotten worse. Although I havent tested 8A393 yet but 8A385 is absolutly horrendous."

"I have 12 software apps that have been broken by the last 3 seeds of Tiger. Plus the server version kernel panics like crazy on my Xserves."

No personal insight myself, but why is your word better than these other peoples?
It's not. But then my hardware might be better then theirs :)

[~loserman~]

It's not. But then my hardware might be better then theirs :)

The main reason is you probably havent tested as exhaustively as we have.
Or your numbers of equipment you tested on is much lower than ours.
We have tested Tiger on 128 of our 1835 Xserves at the same time.

and our findings clearly show that over the last 3 beta releases things have gotten much worse.
Now that doesnt mean that the next release couldnt fix a ton of stuff... because it could. But so far that hasnt been the case.

[Plymouthbreezer]

Sounds like you need to purchase more RAM. Not enough memory can be a big reason for your system acting slow. At least 1 GB would be a good idea.No, the slowness is because I'm running Tiger on my iPod through the Firewire.

Dashboard is awesome, and I love how it pops up below the dock. :)

[BWhaler]

...let's not forget Tiger is still is in beta with bugs being stamped out left and right.

Apple has 3-4 months to get this right.

[wdlove]

...let's not forget Tiger is still is in beta with bugs being stamped out left and right.

Apple has 3-4 months to get this right.

They do need to stamp out bugs.

Lets just hope its not 3 - 4 months to fix them. They would still need production time. We want to see Tiger by June 24th.

[inkhead]

Tested it as exhaustively as you have? I'll bet $50 that you installed over a previous beta, or had a previous OS on the drive.

Do this (AND DO NOT USE AN IPOD) If you don't follow these steps to the letter and install off the DVD (no running osinstall.mpkg from disk!!) or you will get a horrible experience

1. Burn the DVD from ADC Seed of latest build (8a393 as of today....)
2. Starup from disk.
3. FORMAT drive for Tiger to go on (very important)
4. Install Tiger

If any other OS was previously on there, tiger 10.3, 10.2 even if tiger tells you upgrade or install over AND EVEN archive and install... It will cause problems. During testing clean install each time is the only way to go. The last thing as a build nears gm that's done is insure that the install updates and overwrites correctly.

Do what I say then report back problems. Also don't run any external firewire drives in this build. Just do it.

Still seeing bugs? Well then something is wrong with your hardware.

I've taken my seed and run it on 5 machines, all running very damn well (spare and older machines) I have them run scripts that open, close, launch and do finder operations all day (thanks automator!) to test stability. Things are really stable in this build. Very impressed with apple's work so early in the game.


The main reason is you probably havent tested as exhaustively as we have.
Or your numbers of equipment you tested on is much lower than ours.
We have tested Tiger on 128 of our 1835 Xserves at the same time.

and our findings clearly show that over the last 3 beta releases things have gotten much worse.
Now that doesnt mean that the next release couldnt fix a ton of stuff... because it could. But so far that hasnt been the case.

[~loserman~]

Tested it as exhaustively as you have? I'll bet $50 that you installed over a previous beta, or had a previous OS on the drive.

Well... I guess you lose. When do I get my $50.




Still seeing bugs? Well then something is wrong with your hardware.

I seriously doubt the 128 XServe G5's we installed it on are all bad, because we have seen the problems on all of them.

[bosrs1]

Well... I guess you lose. When do I get my $50.




I seriously doubt the 128 XServe G5's we installed it on are all bad, because we have seen the problems on all of them.
Was that $50 overall or per machine?

[Plymouthbreezer]

Do this (AND DO NOT USE AN IPOD) If you don't follow these steps to the letter and install off the DVD (no running osinstall.mpkg from disk!!) or you will get a horrible experience

1. Burn the DVD from ADC Seed of latest build (8a393 as of today....)
2. Starup from disk.
3. FORMAT drive for Tiger to go on (very important)
4. Install Tiger

If any other OS was previously on there, tiger 10.3, 10.2 even if tiger tells you upgrade or install over AND EVEN archive and install... It will cause problems. During testing clean install each time is the only way to go. The last thing as a build nears gm that's done is insure that the install updates and overwrites correctly.

Actually, I did everything you said, expect for running off my iPod. The past few times it's been running fine (and not as slowly). :)

[Montserrat]

I know at least 3 people who are waiting to get a new Mac depending on Tiger's arrival. I've shown them all the things that Tiger's going to be able to do, so perhaps it's my fault they haven't bought into Apple hardware yet, but with the release so imminant it seems a shame not to take advantage of it.

However, I'd rather have a bug-free (I know - that's impossible, but hey... close as possible) release rather than some hashed together POS M$ style. In the meantime, I just have to pay my daily visits to the quicktime files to gawp... Damn it looks cool...

[wdlove]

I don't think that they are the only three. It seems that many are waiting to purchase a new Mac until WWDC and Tiger. Especially with the expected upgrades.

[Plymouthbreezer]

I don't think that they are the only three. It seems that many are waiting to purchase a new Mac until WWDC and Tiger. Especially with the expected upgrades.Yeah... Same here... I want an iMac G5 20", but will wait til this time next year so she ships with Tiger, and by then, it will be faster. :)

[FFTT]

The new WWDC link on the Apple home page
gives a strong indication that the expo will be all about
Tiger.

I can't imagine all those industry pros going there for training
seminars at considerable cost, if they had nothing to train on.

Lets hope their slogan "Spotlight on Innovation"
brings many good things to those of us who have waited.

[MacSA]

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=10983&Page=2&pagePos=3

Macworld UK caught up with the company's vice president of worldwide developer relations, Ron Okamoto, to discuss Apple's focus at the event this year.

Okamoto told Macworld this year's event will focus on Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger". "There's so many great things in Tiger that we really want to help developers use within their applications," he said.

[andrewm]

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=10983&Page=2&pagePos=3

Macworld UK caught up with the company's vice president of worldwide developer relations, Ron Okamoto, to discuss Apple's focus at the event this year.

Okamoto told Macworld this year's event will focus on Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger". "There's so many great things in Tiger that we really want to help developers use within their applications," he said.

You left this part out:

In response to an interview question as to his overall opinion of all of Tiger's new features, Okamoto responded, "They're gRRRRRRReat!"

So sorry. I couldn't resist.