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stubeeef

Mar 1, 2005, 06:28 PM

Another FEMALE teacher having sex with a student! How is it they aren't getting 50yrs to life for this? This "lady" was getting it on with her "student" while the teachers baby was in the same car :eek: !

Link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=1&u=/nm/20050301/od_nm/odd_sex_teacher_dc) SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - A California high school teacher was arraigned on Monday at a Sacramento court accused of having sex with a student in a car as her two-year child was strapped into the back seat.
Margaret De Barraicua, 30, a teacher trainee, was charged with four counts of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, a 16-year-old student. The married woman was caught having sex in the late afternoon last week in what was apparently a consensual agreement, officials said.

Brize

Mar 1, 2005, 06:38 PM

emw

Mar 1, 2005, 06:42 PM

I didn't realise that 16 year-olds are considered minors in California. What's the age of consent?

I don't think this would be a legal matter over this side of the pond, although it would no doubt be a 'moral' issue. I think the baby in the back seat is more of an issue than these guys having sex.18 is the line here in the US.

But, yeah, having sex while you're kid is in the car? Sick.

jsw

Mar 1, 2005, 06:42 PM

18 is the age here in the States.

Seems high to me.

Brize

Mar 1, 2005, 06:50 PM

18 is the age here in the States.

Seems high to me.

Yeah, seems high to me as well. Do 16 and 17 year-olds ever get prosecuted for having sex with each other, or is the law just used in cases where 16+ teenagers are having sex with older adults?

eleveneastgate

Mar 1, 2005, 06:53 PM

Here's to you Mrs. Robinson...

virividox

Mar 1, 2005, 06:55 PM

we need another forum just dedeciated to these people!!!

Makosuke

Mar 1, 2005, 06:59 PM

Yeah, seems high to me as well. Do 16 and 17 year-olds ever get prosecuted for having sex with each other, or is the law just used in cases where 16+ teenagers are having sex with older adults?
Pretty sure it's only statutory rape if one party is over 18 (and there may be a special consideration if the ages are very close--17 and 18 or something).

In either case, though a teacher having sex with any student, particularly an underage one (if it matters that much wait two years, lady!), is something of an issue, doing it with a 2 year old in the car? That's sick!

Macaddicttt

Mar 1, 2005, 07:02 PM

Yeah, seems high to me as well. Do 16 and 17 year-olds ever get prosecuted for having sex with each other, or is the law just used in cases where 16+ teenagers are having sex with older adults?

It varies from state to state. I'm not exactly sure, but I remember reading somewhere that in California 18-year olds could have sex with 16-year olds or older. I don't know about 19-year olds or above.

narco

Mar 1, 2005, 07:04 PM

Wait, 50 years to life? Are you serious? I would think that a year would be reasonable punishment.

Fishes,
narco.

brap

Mar 1, 2005, 07:07 PM

stubeeef

Mar 1, 2005, 07:20 PM

Wait, 50 years to life? Are you serious? I would think that a year would be reasonable punishment.

Fishes,
narco.

30 yr old social studies teacher has sex with 16yr old cheerleader, usually a good 20yr sentence.

aplasticspork

Mar 1, 2005, 07:25 PM

not sure about california, but last time i checked in washington the age of consent is 16 unless the age difference is more than 2 years and 9 months. if the age difference is more than 2 years and 9 months age of consent is 18.
--andrzej

mactastic

Mar 1, 2005, 07:27 PM

That's just wrong on so many levels...

dizastor

Mar 1, 2005, 07:41 PM

What I want to know is...

1) Is she as hot as the teacher from florida who had sex with the student?

2) Where were the horny female teachers when I was 16?

edit: I believe the teacher I was talking about was from Tennesee, former WCW spring Break Nitro girl

Brize

Mar 1, 2005, 07:42 PM

What I want to know is...

1) Is she as hot as the teacher from florida who had sex with the student?

2) Where were the horny female teachers when I was 16?

It was only a matter of time...

Mechcozmo

Mar 1, 2005, 08:13 PM

Is it just me, or has Macrumors become triple-X rated this past week? It's just sex, sex, genitalia (computers) and more sex.

I imagine it'd be a rather less understated article if the subjects were gender reversed.

Its what sells news, yknow. Whatever gathers the most interest. That is what sells.

not sure about california, but last time i checked in washington the age of consent is 16 unless the age difference is more than 2 years and 9 months. if the age difference is more than 2 years and 9 months age of consent is 18.

How did they come up with that? And does that mean a 16 year old can have sex with a 15 year old if they are within 2 years and 9 months or are they both supposed to be above 16?
But 2 years and 9 months is a seemingly random point in time to choose. Just how it struck me....

MacAztec

Mar 1, 2005, 08:15 PM

wdlove

Mar 1, 2005, 09:39 PM

We definitely have a run on this particular subject.

A male teacher with a female student would be treated much harshly. The usual double standard.

The teacher female/male are in the position of power and so it is wrong.
This has to be the worst yet, having the two year in the back seat. At least at that age, it shouldn't scar him.

The treatment dealt to prior cases, doesn't seem to be having any deterrent effect. Something needs to change and soon.

Lacero

Mar 1, 2005, 09:42 PM

Where is the eff'ing marriage vows in this case? You people seem to be focusing on the wrong issue here.

hob

Mar 1, 2005, 09:45 PM

A male teacher with a female student would be treated much harshly. The usual double standard.
Really? This has been said by a couple of people on this thread... My feeling is that a 30 year old male trainee teacher (in a position of power/responsibility - or at least training for it) having sex with a 16 year old girl would be more than frowned upon... I happen to feel that it would be worse if the roles were reversed, although it shouldn't be...

Sun Baked

Mar 1, 2005, 09:48 PM

Seriously. that teacher from florida was bangin.Doesn't seem like any of the teachers snagged for sex with students have looked like Camilla lately, including this one...

http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0223/4225112.jpg

if the link dies

http://www.wnbc.com/news/4226019/detail.html

Xenious

Mar 1, 2005, 10:01 PM

Wait, 50 years to life? Are you serious? I would think that a year would be reasonable punishment.

Fishes,
narco.

But we're a country of prudes and religious right! ahha But murder? oh well thats no biggie you can be out on parole tomorrow.

Oh and always pay your taxes or its life! (A govenment needs its income, ya know? like a pimp or something!)

iJon

Mar 1, 2005, 10:23 PM

We need pictures here people. For the guy though, assuming she is hot, is probably a good case of "her problem, my benefit."

jon

Sun Baked

Mar 1, 2005, 10:24 PM

We need pictures here people. For the guy though, assuming she is hot, is probably a good case of "her problem, my benefit."

jonI posted a pic, but you didn't click on the link -- so I added the [img] tags for the terminally lazy.

notjustjay

Mar 1, 2005, 11:41 PM

iJon

Mar 2, 2005, 12:15 AM

I posted a pic, but you didn't click on the link -- so I added the [img] tags for the terminally lazy.
Thanks, I posted before reading all the posts. Doesn't look as good as that blonde bombshell months ago.

jon

unfaded

Mar 2, 2005, 01:08 AM

Will someone post this Camilla's picture? I wanna compare.

Sun Baked

Mar 2, 2005, 01:47 AM

Will someone post this Camilla's picture? I wanna compare.Search for yourself.

She's everywhere in the British papers... considering the marriage announcement between Prince and his longtime lover, Camilla Parker Bowles.

Definitely no Princess Diana.

Loki.Mephisto

Mar 2, 2005, 05:44 AM

How is it they aren't getting 50yrs to life for this?

Yeah, sure, 50 yrs to life for makin´love.

And medals of honour and promotions for those who kill innocent people in iraq and torturers at Guantanamo Camp?

Now, THATs sick, seriously!

stubeeef

Mar 2, 2005, 06:41 AM

Yeah, sure, 50 yrs to life for makin´love.

And medals of honour and promotions for those who kill innocent people in iraq and torturers at Guantanamo Camp?

Now, THATs sick, seriously!

In the US pedophilia IS illegal. Men usually get bigger sentences than women for some reason. A School Teacher having sex with her student while married: Adultry with minors while your 2 yr old watches is not usually called "makin' love" in the states, how about in austria?

Am not aware of Medal of Honor winners for the reasons you state, but as this will end up in the political forum soon, please provide the links!

ziwi

Mar 2, 2005, 07:37 AM

I remember when it was the males that had all of t hese issues - makes the world think all we teach here is sex ed - and hands on at that - maybe this ties into B. Gates comment about high schools ;)

miloblithe

Mar 2, 2005, 07:41 AM

For those of you curious about US state-by-state laws (which do indeed vary):

http://ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Countries of the world included as well.

gwuMACaddict

Mar 2, 2005, 07:45 AM

And medals of honour and promotions for those who kill innocent people in iraq and torturers at Guantanamo Camp?

this is *clearly* the correct thread for this tangent... :rolleyes: good grief folks, can't ever leave well enough alone with the politics around here, can we... pathetic... :rolleyes:

stubeeef

Mar 2, 2005, 07:58 AM

I remember when it was the males that had all of t hese issues - makes the world think all we teach here is sex ed - and hands on at that - maybe this ties into B. Gates comment about high schools ;)

good point, also a good thread moved to poli forum about private schools. Education in the US is severly lacking! We need a "man to the moon" effort on a national scale and soon.

mac15

Mar 2, 2005, 08:38 AM

Why aren't I in school anymore? :)

Loki.Mephisto

Mar 2, 2005, 10:06 AM

this is *clearly* the correct thread for this tangent... :rolleyes: good grief folks, can't ever leave well enough alone with the politics around here, can we... pathetic... :rolleyes:

Ok, ok - i just didn´t intend to start some political thread.

I intended to point out that demanding "getting 50yrs to life for this" is really hard, compared to REALLY awful things happening in our world.

I know, pedophilia IS illegal, not only in the US, and for a good reason.
But, is a 16 year old guy a CHILD?

I wonder, why do people start a tread in this subject on a computer - related site? Is having sex such a tremendous crime? I think, we should worry about really serious things happening in our world...

Sun Baked

Mar 2, 2005, 01:01 PM

In the US pedophilia IS illegal. Men usually get bigger sentences than women for some reason. A School Teacher having sex with her student while married: Adultry with minors while your 2 yr old watches is not usually called "makin' love" in the states, how about in austria?And it should be illegal everywhere, but this is NOT a case of pedophillia.

In case people forget what it is: According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child.

This child was well past the prepubescent stage.

There is another medical definition for this, don't know the term.

However the usual legal ones typically things like statutory rape and/or sex with someone under the age of consent.

stubeeef

Mar 2, 2005, 01:38 PM

And it should be illegal everywhere, but this is NOT a case of pedophillia.

In case people forget what it is: According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child.

This child was well past the prepubescent stage.

There is another medical definition for this, don't know the term.

However the usual legal ones typically things like statutory rape and/or sex with someone under the age of consent.

Your right, I was overboard there, just seems like pedo stuff to me, but not really I guess. I think statutory rape is more accurate probably, either way this is way wrong.

iceTrX

Mar 2, 2005, 04:31 PM

Just to remind everyone, in the US you do NOT have to be 18 to have sex. This is only in California. In michigan (age of consent 16) what happened between the teacher and student would of been legal.

wordmunger

Mar 2, 2005, 04:42 PM

For those of you curious about US state-by-state laws (which do indeed vary):

http://ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Countries of the world included as well.

Whoah. What's up with New Mexico? 18 for heterosexual sex but 13 for homosexual sex?????

Bizarre.

Makosuke

Mar 2, 2005, 06:38 PM

I suspect in cases like this it's not so much the age (although that IS important!!) as the fact that one is in a position of authority over another. Even if it was totally consensual and even if technically speaking the ages were legal, there is still the problem of the teacher-student relationship.
This, I think, is the real point, not whether it's pedophilia or not. The teacher--even if the boy involved had been over 18 and the relationship completely legal and consentual, it's still a situation in which a person entrusted with an entirely different sort of responsibility and a position of power has abused that trust.

That's also why statutory rape laws exist, and are different from pedophilia laws. Pedophilia--sex with people that are still physically children--is sick by just about any definition of the word. Statutory rape laws are intended to protect people whol are legally still considered pre-adult from people in a position of power and potential emotional dominance over them. It's not that a 30 year old and a 16 year old couldn't have a perfectly healthy relationship, but there are plenty of 16 year olds not yet ready to commit to that sort of thing--particularly with someone who is--and many more who would be suceptable to an absuive relationship by the older partner. As such, one reasonable option is just to make it illegal for everybody and assume the reasonable folks will just wait.

Side note: I have experience with this sort of thing as I was interested in my much-older wife of 4 years when I was under 18, but I had the good sense not to push it until I was a legal adult and not putting her at risk of anything--if you really care, you can wait. Likewise, my brother is married to a former student of his, but the relationship developed well after she had graduated and was in college and he never would have considered prusuing it, even if she were old enough, until after he was comfortably away from his position of authority over her. That's the correct way to go about it if you develop some sort of interest in someone you "shouldn't" be having a relationship with--wait, give it some distance, then maybe do something once it's more socially acceptable.

And I still wonder what sort of sicko has sex with their 2 year old in the back seat of the car.

rs3158

Mar 14, 2005, 01:15 AM

I didn't realise that 16 year-olds are considered minors in California. What's the age of consent?

I don't think this would be a legal matter over this side of the pond, although it would no doubt be a 'moral' issue. I think the baby in the back seat is more of an issue than these guys having sex.

18 is the legal age of consent in California, but not the entire U.S.
In some states, like Georgia, Ky, Iowa, the legal age is 16.
In Canada it is 14. And in Mexico it is 12... 12!! Now that's SICK!!

Sayhey

Mar 14, 2005, 02:14 AM

I didn't realise that 16 year-olds are considered minors in California. What's the age of consent?

In California it is 18, but it varies from state to state. In some states it is 16 or 17.

There is also the issue of having sex with a student when you are a teacher that has power over him or her. This young women is in for major problems and deservedly so.

edit: sorry, should have read the last two posts in the thread.

Rod Rod

Mar 14, 2005, 07:09 PM

So far in 44 posts, we have:

* 3 guys wishing they were sexually molested by their female teachers when they were in high school.
* a lot of discussion about age of consent laws.
* one person calling sexual predation "makin love."
* a lot of focus on the teacher's looks.
* some moral outrage at both the presence of the woman's two-year-old child in the car and the fact that she's married.

Anyway, these links may not have all the credibility in the world because they're blogs, but this one says the boy was a special ed student (http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000812.html) and this one says she had a Debbie video and partially injested edible panties (http://theunpopulist.blogs.com/the_unpopulist/2005/03/contents_of_mar.html), among other things, with her when she was arrested.

Lord Blackadder

Mar 14, 2005, 11:51 PM

So far in 44 posts, we have:

* 3 guys wishing they were sexually molested by their female teachers when they were in high school.
* a lot of discussion about age of consent laws.
* one person calling sexual predation "makin love."
* a lot of focus on the teacher's looks.
* some moral outrage at both the presence of the woman's two-year-old child in the car and the fact that she's married.

LOL, nice sum up. :rolleyes:

It's all about the societal roles of the persons involved, This woman, a teacher, is supposed to provide her students with a role model, and is expected by the community to be a good moral compass. While having sex (even accounting for the age difference) is not inherently wrong, doing it with her student constitutes a misuse and perversion of the job entrusted to her by society. At any rate it is a conflict of interests. This pops up in universities fairly often, but in those cases the participants are emotionally mature.

cb911

Mar 15, 2005, 10:44 PM

Rod Rod

Mar 15, 2005, 11:23 PM

whoa!

that woman who blew that guy then kept a mouthful to get pregnant on has now gone and left her child in the car while partaking in extracurricular activities with students! :eek:

that's just sick sick sick.

You've conflated the two stories. The woman who conceived with the gifted semen is a doctor. The child in that case is more than 5 years old. The woman who is the subject of this thread is a teacher. The child in this case is 2 years old.