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Starfox
Apr 7, 2011, 03:05 PM
I'm used to minimizing windows into application icon (to keep dock icon positions consistent ;) and using expose to pull them back up, which is hunky dory on Snow Leopard, but I'm trying out Lion DP2 and this breaks completely - is there any way to get MC to treat minimized windows as if they exist? I know you can swipe four fingers down at the app's dock icon but that just reduces the target area into a small square as opposed to the entire screen, which really hurts usability.



pvinis
Jul 7, 2011, 08:56 AM
I just hope they add a preference, or a plist key to enable mission control to show minimized..

BlackMangoTree
Jul 7, 2011, 09:03 AM
Minimised windows is a huge issue. I can't understand why Apple just forgotten about them.

Snow Leopard dealt with them perfectly Mission Controll no love at all.

Jagardn
Jul 7, 2011, 09:16 AM
Minimised windows is a huge issue. I can't understand why Apple just forgotten about them.

Snow Leopard dealt with them perfectly Mission Controll no love at all.

I personally don't see it as a problem, all the windows in mission control are organized by app. But hey, that's just me.:D

BlackMangoTree
Jul 7, 2011, 09:56 AM
I personally don't see it as a problem, all the windows in mission control are organized by app. But hey, that's just me.:D

When you have minimised windows how do you deal with them ?

Thats a very cumbersome replacement. I have an application open with 2 windows one on each space then i require them on the same space, it's just slow, cumbersome and backwards compared to SL. Imgine when working with many windows 10 +. Not to mention having to create a space for every window. It's just not an alternative.

In SL you could activate show all windows and all windows would show even minimised making switching between windows and apps very simple and quick. All with the click of a mouse button.

Steve's Barber
Jul 7, 2011, 11:00 AM
Annoying as hell.

I ran a few apps through spotlight yesterday. They have no application windows. I'm still looking for them. Since they aren't on the dock I have to go into spotlight to run them again. :D

The Expose' part of Mission Control is fine if it showed minimized apps like SL does. "Spaces" still needs to be a separate app or at least the option to disable it.

Holy crap... I never saw so much effort put into fixing something that wasn't broken.

johncozen
Jul 7, 2011, 11:41 AM
that touches on something I noticed: It'd be cool to be able to launch spotlight from Mission Control. As of now you launch MC, realize an app isn't open and have to close MC before you can cmd+space into spotlight. No biggie, just would be cool.

Simplicated
Jul 7, 2011, 11:42 AM
Don't think not being able to see minimized windows is a problem. In fact, if you have friends who have been using Macs for more than 5 years, you'll notice they don't usually minimize, but instead use Hide and Exposé.

xgman
Jul 7, 2011, 01:22 PM
Don't think not being able to see minimized windows is a problem. In fact, if you have friends who have been using Macs for more than 5 years, you'll notice they don't usually minimize, but instead use Hide and Exposé.

It would seem a lot easier to simply minimize a stray safari window for use later rather than having to go through hide and seek.

Simplicated
Jul 7, 2011, 10:48 PM
It would seem a lot easier to simply minimize a stray safari window for use later rather than having to go through hide and seek.

I leave them there and just use Exposé when I need them. Exposé helped eliminate the need of minimizing for me.

richard.mac
Jul 7, 2011, 10:55 PM
in the early Lion DPs minimised windows were shown when you held down or scrolled over a Dock icon to show app window Expose. why did Apple remove this? grrrr :mad:

now you have to just use app windows Expose or right click a Dock icon and choose Show All Windows… albeit they did add previous items to an app's Dock menu (even when closed) which i love.

BlackMangoTree
Jul 7, 2011, 10:57 PM
Why remove it and make many people unhappy.

MartiNZ
Jul 7, 2011, 11:17 PM
I leave them there and just use Exposé when I need them. Exposé helped eliminate the need of minimizing for me.

Or at least minimised the need? Sorry :)....

This is some weird news, I didn't realise things were going this way. I thought in SL they actually promoted the idea of minimising with the nice clear display in Exposé, and with 'minimise to dock icon' I got quite used to doing it for some apps.

I used to be much more a hider, I guess I can go back. I did the defaults write command to dim dock icons of hidden apps, now that there aren't even dock lights by default I'm guessing that doesn't work either hmmm.

sheeracali
Jul 8, 2011, 12:26 AM
in the early Lion DPs minimised windows were shown when you held down or scrolled over a Dock icon to show app window Expose. why did Apple remove this? grrrr :mad:

now you have to just use app windows Expose or right click a Dock icon and choose Show All Windows… albeit they did add previous items to an app's Dock menu (even when closed) which i love.

You can still see minimized windows in Lion. the gesture has just changed. On a Magic Mouse you tap twice with two fingers over the app icon on the dock and it shows all minimized windows for that app. With the Trackpad, just enable app expose in system prefs and swipe four fingers down over the app icon on the dock. Real easy. I kind of liked the scroll gesture better, but its still as easy.

pvinis
Jul 8, 2011, 12:46 AM
no it's not.. all windows of an app is different that just all windows. I have to remember that I have a minimized window of an app and go check. It would be better if I could see all minimized windows.

deadlystriker
Jul 8, 2011, 02:37 AM
SL exposé and spaces were perfect. Lion mission control, BS.

PeterHolbrook
Jul 8, 2011, 04:23 AM
This is getting patently ridiculous. "Minimized" Mission Control windows can be easily expanded through gestures, and each of them can be "maximized" pressing the space bar. If some people don't want to learn the relevant gestures and keystrokes, it's entirely their problem, not Lion's, and their whining is nonsensical, but amusing.

stewacide
Jul 8, 2011, 05:00 AM
I like how there's just one button to active MC (as opposed to the +3 for Expose), but there are a few strange omissions such as not showing minimized windows as mentioned. Wouldn't be surprised if this isn't fixed with a service pack as it seems more like oversight than design.

pvinis
Jul 8, 2011, 05:37 AM
This is getting patently ridiculous. "Minimized" Mission Control windows can be easily expanded through gestures, and each of them can be "maximized" pressing the space bar. If some people don't want to learn the relevant gestures and keystrokes, it's entirely their problem, not Lion's, and their whining is nonsensical, but amusing.

lol! do you think that by "minimized" we mean that they are just smaller?

dsdevries
Jul 8, 2011, 09:16 AM
Guys,
The fact that apple forgot to implement this is indeed a bit stupid. But i just realized that mission control does bring up the dock when it's activated. So just unticking the option to minimize windows to the application icon in Dock settings brings back the ability to switch to minimized windows using Mission Control.
Cheers!

PeterHolbrook
Jul 8, 2011, 11:14 AM
lol! do you think that by "minimized" we mean that they are just smaller?

I know there are smaller things than thumbnails. Many a brain is a clear indication of that. LOL.

BlackMangoTree
Jul 8, 2011, 11:15 AM
This is getting patently ridiculous. "Minimized" Mission Control windows can be easily expanded through gestures, and each of them can be "maximized" pressing the space bar. If some people don't want to learn the relevant gestures and keystrokes, it's entirely their problem, not Lion's, and their whining is nonsensical, but amusing.

Funny. Maybe read the through the thread again and see what we are talking about.

PeterHolbrook
Jul 8, 2011, 11:18 AM
Funny. Maybe read the through the thread again and see what we are talking about.

I have. I 've noticed some members are complaining about the fact windows that have been minimized don't appear in Mission Control. Other users, however, are talking about spaces, exposé, gestures, et cetera. So, there you go. It's SO CURIOUS you didn't read what I wrote in order to ascertain what I was talking about. Funny, as you say.

BlackMangoTree
Jul 8, 2011, 11:28 AM
We are talking about minimised windows and nothing eles.

Fuchal
Jul 8, 2011, 11:35 AM
Yes, this is quite annoying, because I have gotten used to minimizing windows into the dock icon when Snow Leopard introduced this feature. Now, it's impossible to find which minimized windows I have without expose'ing every app in the dock.

BlackMangoTree
Jul 8, 2011, 11:37 AM
We can hope Apple re add this feature in an update to Lion.

PeterHolbrook
Jul 8, 2011, 11:41 AM
We are talking about minimised windows and nothing eles.

No, most definitely what you are saying is FAR from true. Immediately before my first intervention, a forum member had stated:

SL exposé and spaces were perfect. Lion mission control, BS.

So, no. Most definitely, what you are saying is VERY inaccurate.

Patrick J
Jul 8, 2011, 01:14 PM
I leave them there and just use Exposé when I need them. Exposé helped eliminate the need of minimizing for me.

This. I either leave everything open, or use cmd+h to hide something I know I won't be using in a while.

Exposé is great. Screw minimizing windows.

I realize that some people might have different workflows than mine.

Maccleduff
Jul 22, 2011, 02:55 PM
This is a pet bug of mine with Lion so far. Why don't minimized windows show? :(

BayouTiger
Jul 23, 2011, 11:10 AM
This sounds like FCPX all over again. I am guessing many who are complaining hated on Expose and Spaces when they came out as well.

Maybe some need some required reading.....
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTkufvhA2v646Qgi5TG5lL8BNJ5lW9KP-bhy7YzOrt-_XdI7W08

johannesk
Jul 24, 2011, 10:56 AM
Don't think not being able to see minimized windows is a problem. In fact, if you have friends who have been using Macs for more than 5 years, you'll notice they don't usually minimize, but instead use Hide and Exposé.

I have been using Mac since Macintosh 512Ke back in 1985, which would be about 26 years. I use the minimize feature all the time and I also miss a way of handling the minimized windows in Lion.

Everyone has a different way of using their Macs. The point here is that Apple removed half of a feature (see minimized windows) while leaving the rest of the feature (minimize). Lion is great, but is full of inconsistencies I haven't seen since the old MacOS days.

yegoryeliz
Jul 25, 2011, 02:11 PM
Apple did not forget about minimized windows; the just made a stupid decision not to include the in mission control hopefully they will be there with the next update.

For now the solution to the minimized window problem is:

right click (control click) on the application window --> Show all windows

you can now see all the windows (including minimized) for the application

clicking on any open application icon in the dock will take you to the "show all windows" view for that app.

Beavix
Jul 25, 2011, 02:31 PM
For now the solution to the minimized window problem is:

right click (control click) on the application window --> Show all windows


Or press Ctrl - down arrow.

gumblecosby
Jul 25, 2011, 04:43 PM
Or press Ctrl - down arrow.

In the early lion previews you could 2 finger swipe up on the dock icon to activate app expose, even on old non multitouch pads. Was useful.

Kanunu
Jul 26, 2011, 04:28 AM
This is getting patently ridiculous. "Minimized" Mission Control windows can be easily expanded through gestures, and each of them can be "maximized" pressing the space bar. If some people don't want to learn the relevant gestures and keystrokes, it's entirely their problem, not Lion's, and their whining is nonsensical, but amusing.

I don't use gestures because I got sick and tired of my so called Magic Mouse constantly loosing its Bluetooth connection so I reverted to a Logitech Wireless USB mouse. Gestures are like a lot of Lion seems to be, an attempt to make the Mac interface match the iPhone. I don't want or need an iPhone and I don't want or need gestures. I just need to be able to access functionality with reasonable mouse clicks.

yegoryeliz
Jul 26, 2011, 06:02 AM
I don't use gestures because I got sick and tired of my so called Magic Mouse constantly loosing its Bluetooth connection so I reverted to a Logitech Wireless USB mouse. Gestures are like a lot of Lion seems to be, an attempt to make the Mac interface match the iPhone. I don't want or need an iPhone and I don't want or need gestures. I just need to be able to access functionality with reasonable mouse clicks.

you could always UNCHECK the "Minimize windows into application icon" in dock preferences and manage your windows pre-leopard style

Jagardn
Jul 26, 2011, 06:18 AM
I just need to be able to access functionality with reasonable mouse clicks.
But thats so 1985. ;)

Zmanmurf
Jul 26, 2011, 11:25 AM
For those that are saying that Apple "forgot" to include minimized windows, I'd be surprised if this were the case. It was a design decision they made to to encourage users to navigate in a particular way. The same way they added natural scrolling and defaulted to remove the lights under running apps on the dock. Thankfully for those two new features they gave us the option of reverting to our old ways.

Natural scrolling was justified by the fact that with a touchpad you are moving (or touching) the content. The lack of dock lights is justified by stating that it shouldn't matter if an app is running or not, if you want to use it, click it. At this point computers are smart enough to manage their resources and the user doesn't have to worry.

As for the lack of minimized windows in MC, I think Apple's intent is for us to no longer minimize windows. Just let them run, let MC quickly organize everything by app for you, and then use the opposing gesture to isolate windows for a given app.

smallnshort247
Jul 26, 2011, 04:11 PM
I was wondering what Mission Control was missing.. now I know! Hopefully Apple eventually adds an option to be able to see minimized windows in Mission Control. Until then, I've made the minimized windows show up in my dock. That seems to be the only way around it. Otherwise, when I minimize windows, I easily forget which window or app that I minimized.. whoops!

Kanunu
Jul 26, 2011, 06:42 PM
you could always UNCHECK the "Minimize windows into application icon" in dock preferences and manage your windows pre-leopard style

Thanks for the temporary solution. It should have occurred to me. I see that this was only your second post. Too many people here are jaded fanboys. A positive attitude is a bit of fresh air.

I still think the Magic Mouse is a poor peripheral but I am considering buying the trackpad.

Relaxed
Aug 7, 2011, 04:00 PM
To go back to snow leopard type behaviour - go to system -> dock -> uncheck minimize windows into application icon.

basher
Aug 7, 2011, 04:30 PM
Two finger double tap on the app icon in the Dock and you'll see the minimized windows for that app.

It's two fingers using a Magic Mouse. Not sure how many digits are required if you use the Magic Trackpad.

Hope this helps.

benusellis
Aug 11, 2011, 04:21 PM
I, too, was frustrated by the lack of minimized screens. However, enabling App Expose in System->Trackpad made minimized screens viewable with a three finger down swipe.

Now I can just three finger swipe up for MC or down for App Expose - with minimized windows.

First time posting - so sorry if this is obvious.

robjewitt
Aug 15, 2011, 03:01 AM
I, too, was frustrated by the lack of minimized screens. However, enabling App Expose in System->Trackpad made minimized screens viewable with a three finger down swipe.

Now I can just three finger swipe up for MC or down for App Expose - with minimized windows.

First time posting - so sorry if this is obvious.

Aha! This is the solution I was looking for, or at least, it brings back a touch of the old Snow Leopard Expose functionality to Lion if not quite the full control. It only seems to give you an Expose-style overview of the current application that is open with it's minimised windows. You still need to 3-finger scroll into Mission Control to see the other apps that may have minimised windows

Zerafiall
Aug 15, 2011, 06:52 PM
humm... I noticed that Minimized windows show up if you activate Application Windows