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rickvanr
Feb 15, 2006, 07:31 PM
When I read this I literally started laughing out loud. They must make the VW's different over there then they do here :p , I know the Jettas available here were made in Mexico.

I had a VW Beetle, and it was phenomenal. It handled better than any other car I've driven. The quality was also very high compared to the other cars I see daily.

climhazzard85
Feb 15, 2006, 08:17 PM
I had a VW Beetle, and it was phenomenal. It handled better than any other car I've driven. The quality was also very high compared to the other cars I see daily.

My experience (I've worked at dealerships for the past 3+ years) is VW's are not very reliable, but as far as the build quality on the interior and such, it's definitely above average. I like the new Passat, awesome looking car, I have yet to drive one though. As far as handling, I suggest driving a 350z, S2000 or even MX-5, it's like night and day.

rickvanr
Feb 16, 2006, 12:50 AM
My experience (I've worked at dealerships for the past 3+ years) is VW's are not very reliable, but as far as the build quality on the interior and such, it's definitely above average. I like the new Passat, awesome looking car, I have yet to drive one though. As far as handling, I suggest driving a 350z, S2000 or even MX-5, it's like night and day.

Speaking of night and day, look at the price tag. You're comparing a 15k car to a 50k car.

Marky_Mark
Feb 16, 2006, 02:08 AM
When I read this I literally started laughing out loud. They must make the VW's different over there then they do here :p , I know the Jettas available here were made in Mexico.

Cars for the American market are deliberately made with a much softer ride than those for Europe, otherwise they'd seem a tad firm to your softy butts compared to all the Buicks and Caddys you guys plump for. :p

My car has stiffened and lowered sports suspension and low profile tyres, and you can enter a corner at any sensible speed and the car tracks through straight and true - no understeer and no wallowing from body roll. The GTI T does have completely different handling to the standard Golf - I had a regular 1.6 as a courtesy car while mine was in for a service for the day and the difference is very pronounced. But you'll know that from your experience as a dealer. ;)

Secondly, this car does have fantastic build quality - it'll be three years old to the day when I hand it back on the 27th - it has had two scheduled services and four new tyres, but nothing has gone wrong on it at all - not one issue. Furthermore, there isn't a single squeak or rattle from the dash or any of the trim whatsoever. It's built like concrete. :)

By the way, I have driven the Passat - the A6 is better, which is why I'm getting one. :D

climhazzard85
Feb 16, 2006, 07:25 AM
Speaking of night and day, look at the price tag. You're comparing a 15k car to a 50k car.

a GTI (The MK IV's) ran roughly $20kish new, the MK V's at $22k, a 350z is around $28 or so. The new MX5's start at $21k.

The issue I have with the GTI's handling is that the MK IV's suspension system is ancient, and the car simply can't be made to handle as well as a Honda (their primary FWD competition) with a wishbone independent rear suspension (EM2 Si, DC2/4 Integras). Even the SRT-4 would outhandle a GTI, though I would certainly drive a GTI, even a standard Golf before driving one of those.

kammron
Feb 17, 2006, 05:31 PM
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/5351/pdr09gh158om.jpg (http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdr09gh158om.jpg)
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/4848/pdr09gh1514ov.jpg (http://img459.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdr09gh1514ov.jpg)

mad jew
Feb 17, 2006, 05:33 PM
What's with the giant light circles on the picture of the red car? :)

JW8725
Feb 17, 2006, 05:35 PM
Nice look-a-like. How do you find the Toyota Engine?

kammron
Feb 17, 2006, 05:38 PM
its not a looka alike....
its my brother in laws and one day its mine.
:o

JW8725
Feb 17, 2006, 05:39 PM
its not a looka alike....
its my brother in laws and one day its mine.
:o
We'll my bro in law is a copper and he's asking why u have no number plate son?

kammron
Feb 17, 2006, 05:42 PM
on the back, son.
its canada.

iGary
Feb 17, 2006, 05:53 PM
That is a sweet Supra!!

clayj
Feb 17, 2006, 05:56 PM
on the back, son.
its canada.That reminds me of the time I spoke to an employee of the New York DMV... we were working on a technical issue (I forget what, now) and while we were waiting for something to happen, I asked him the funniest license plate he'd seen recently. His answer:

3M TA3

Think about it. ;)

kammron
Feb 17, 2006, 05:58 PM
:p haha

rickvanr
Feb 17, 2006, 06:15 PM
on the back, son.
its canada.

You don't need a front plate in Alberta? Hmm, learn something new everyday.

Why not take off the bracket if you don't need a front plate?

It looks ghastly with the front braket on without a plate.

PS. climhazzard85 An S2000 starts at $50300, and you're still comparing cars that are vastly more expensive then the one you are comparing to.

kammron
Feb 17, 2006, 07:49 PM
no you dont need front plates.
and yeah thats and old pic.
night of the stanley cup game in 03/04...
the brackets gone now.

climhazzard85
Feb 17, 2006, 08:38 PM
You don't need a front plate in Alberta? Hmm, learn something new everyday.

Why not take off the bracket if you don't need a front plate?

It looks ghastly with the front braket on without a plate.

PS. climhazzard85 An S2000 starts at $50300, and you're still comparing cars that are vastly more expensive then the one you are comparing to.

Well, here it's $34k so it's a whopping ~$10k difference. Not sure where you're getting $15k to $50k.

reberto
Feb 17, 2006, 08:52 PM
My Baby

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e46/KappaH/100_0395.jpg
two words, ninja car

reberto
Feb 17, 2006, 08:56 PM
We'll my bro in law is a copper and he's asking why u have no number plate son?
If your car dosent have mounting holes for a plate in the front (like if you have a corvette, 92-02 trans am/firebird) you don't have to have one on the front.

CompUser
Feb 17, 2006, 10:07 PM
My experience (I've worked at dealerships for the past 3+ years) is VW's are not very reliable, but as far as the build quality on the interior and such, it's definitely above average. I like the new Passat, awesome looking car, I have yet to drive one though. As far as handling, I suggest driving a 350z, S2000 or even MX-5, it's like night and day.


My friends dad has a 2005 S2000. That car is so awesome. One time his moms murano was getting fixed, and his dad has an infiniti G35x and was away so I got a ride in it. I love the digital dashboard and it seemed quite powerful to me. His MOM was driving it, so I don't even know how much more agressively it could have been driven :).

VW's are not reliable IMO. We have a Touareg and that car has had so many problems. Thank god it is under warranty. The trunk lock has broken 2 times (one time a part broke, one time a part fell off), the radio buttons have gotten stuck, there was some problem with the steering system, clogged fuel injectors, 2nd ($300) battery and its not cheap to fix. An oil change in that baby from the dealer is about $62.00.

We had a New New Passat as a loaner one time. It is much more spacious than the older Passats, a very different feel to it. It seemed really nice though. My friends mom has a Passat 1.8T wagon and they have spent a TON of money maintaining it.

My friends dad that has the s2000 also has a G35x sedan. I think that car has an outstanding value. $35,000, 298hp, AWD, everything you would want in a car.
---------------

I want my dad to have his midlife crisis. Yea, a Land Rover Discovery, 0-60 in.....10 seconds- quite snappy.

rickvanr
Feb 17, 2006, 11:14 PM
Well, here it's $34k so it's a whopping ~$10k difference. Not sure where you're getting $15k to $50k.

I mostly pulled it out of a hat, really bad guestimation. What I should have done is researched it, then I could have said you're comparing a $22000 car to a $50300 car (Canadian dollars are different then American dollars). Still a huge difference. It's like comparing a BMW 330 to an M5. They're in different classes. I'm not boasting, I'm just saying compare cars with similar values.

If your car dosent have mounting holes for a plate in the front (like if you have a corvette, 92-02 trans am/firebird) you don't have to have one on the front.

Really? A friend's dad had a 98 to 00 corvette (forget which year exactly) and it didn't have mounting holes for a plate but he was told he had to order a bracket for the plates. He never did, and whenever he was pulled over he used the excuse that the bracket had been order and it's in the mail. Laws are different everywhere though.

I like the law where you're from though, some cars lines can be spoiled by a plate.

hal0n
Feb 17, 2006, 11:25 PM
i have 3... but this is my favorite

http://happytiger.net/kevin/cars/miata/miata_blur.jpg

Marky_Mark
Feb 18, 2006, 08:20 AM
two words, ninja car

Looks like a cut n' shut Saab 95! ;)

Marky_Mark
Feb 18, 2006, 08:24 AM
We have a Touareg...An oil change in that baby from the dealer is about $62.00.

I wish you could get an oil change in the UK for the equivalent of £30. Try £80 - 100 instead. That's for 1 hour's labour. The cost of the oil is extra.

840quadra
Feb 18, 2006, 10:52 AM
If your car dosent have mounting holes for a plate in the front (like if you have a corvette, 92-02 trans am/firebird) you don't have to have one on the front.

If your state requires a front license plate, the dealership that sells the car is legally required to install one. The only way to get a car from a PDI (Pre Delivery Inspection) Without a front plate installed would be to sign a waiver making you (not the dealership) responsible for the violation.

I have lived in 2 states that have been like that, and worked in a Dealership at one of them. Maybe not all states that require front plates are like this, but most are.

Tymmz
Feb 18, 2006, 11:50 AM
It's hidden in this thread: Link (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=181124)

Just kidding, I don't own a car. The public transportation in Berlin is almost perfect and gas and insurance would be too expensive for me.

cheers

joshwest
Feb 18, 2006, 03:41 PM
http://web.mac.com/jmwest/iWeb/Site%202/Photos_files/DSC00301.jpg
http://web.mac.com/jmwest/iWeb/Site%202/Photos_files/DSC00302.jpg

rickvanr
Feb 18, 2006, 03:49 PM
http://web.mac.com/jmwest/iWeb/Site%202/Photos_files/DSC00301.jpg
http://web.mac.com/jmwest/iWeb/Site%202/Photos_files/DSC00302.jpg

That's hot. Nice car.

hob
Feb 19, 2006, 06:57 AM
License plates... I kinda like that I have to have them. And that they MEAN something! Incase nobody knows, UK formats are like this:

e.g. L U 5 3 K C Y

L=London U=Area U (which is Sidcup, my local DVLA office) 53 = September 2003 (as opposed to 03 which would mean March '03 etc.) and the last three letters are a unique identifier for each car...

Hurrah!

P.S. - that is not my license plate number ;)

shortys408
Feb 19, 2006, 02:30 PM
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?bg=FFFFFF&image=http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/455000-455999/455348_22_full.jpg

nw43
Feb 19, 2006, 04:31 PM
Well, it might not be the best car in this thread but it's my first car, i got it last week and I like it! :)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/nw43/Image029.jpg

PaRaGoNViCtiM
Feb 21, 2006, 07:54 PM
OK, back to the Scion real quick. My brother in law and I got into an argument last night about this car. I am asking someone who owns one. For insurance purposes is this car classified as an SUV or a Wagon. I have searched the web and some call it an SUV, some a wagon, and I have even seen some say it is a mini van???
It's classified as a wagon.

Platform
Feb 22, 2006, 03:25 AM
http://web.mac.com/jmwest/iWeb/Site%202/Photos_files/DSC00301.jpg
http://web.mac.com/jmwest/iWeb/Site%202/Photos_files/DSC00302.jpg

Nice car and plates :D

Toreador93
Feb 22, 2006, 04:00 AM
I *heart* Europe

http://amateurstargazer.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/Saab002.jpg


1999 Saab 9-5, 2.3t
For all you SAAB fans out there :D

Afro1989
Feb 22, 2006, 10:31 AM
http://web.mac.com/jmwest/iWeb/Site%202/Photos_files/DSC00301.jpg
http://web.mac.com/jmwest/iWeb/Site%202/Photos_files/DSC00302.jpg

Isn't kind of a contradiction? Having a license plate saying "think different" and then buying a Volkswagon Jetta. :p ;)

50thVert
Feb 23, 2006, 09:00 PM
The new ride is a 06 BMW M3 Competition.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4991/dsc01588small2jn.jpg

blackfox
Feb 23, 2006, 09:09 PM
I *heart* Europe

http://amateurstargazer.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/Saab002.jpg


1999 Saab 9-5, 2.3t
For all you SAAB fans out there :D
Finally. Another Saab owner. Guess we are few and far between...

Toreador93
Feb 24, 2006, 03:13 AM
Finally. Another Saab owner. Guess we are few and far between...


That we are. State of Independence - the Think Different of cars :)

Platform
Feb 24, 2006, 07:53 AM
The new ride is a 06 BMW M3 Competition.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4991/dsc01588small2jn.jpg

That is one great car....:cool:

KappaH
Feb 26, 2006, 09:40 PM
50th Vert beautiful car man. The M3 is going to the next car I purchase can not wait.

w_parietti22
Feb 26, 2006, 09:44 PM
I *heart* Europe

<snip>

1999 Saab 9-5, 2.3t
For all you SAAB fans out there :D

Is it just me... or does your neiborhood look a little to perfect?

rickvanr
Feb 26, 2006, 09:55 PM
Is it just me... or does your neiborhood look a little to perfect?

Isn't that what Suburbia looks like?

Marky_Mark
Mar 3, 2006, 03:01 AM
Hey! The Audi arrived - it's gorgeous! And it's the size of a small African state. My wife has already christened it 'the barge'.

The Golf GTI went back on Monday. I spent last weekend cleaning it from top to toe and she looked fabulous. Then she spent the night sitting outside the house almost forlorn, like a lamb to the slaughter. When the guy from the leasing company came to take her away it was a very emotional moment. But we must move on - out with the old and in with the new - and you thought I was fickle, right?! :D

2006 Audi A6 2.0T SE:

rickvanr
Mar 3, 2006, 04:38 PM
Hey! The Audi arrived - it's gorgeous! And it's the size of a small African state. My wife has already christened it 'the barge'.

The Golf GTI went back on Monday. I spent last weekend cleaning it from top to toe and she looked fabulous. Then she spent the night sitting outside the house almost forlorn, like a lamb to the slaughter. When the guy from the leasing company came to take her away it was a very emotional moment. But we must move on - out with the old and in with the new - and you thought I was fickle, right?! :D

2006 Audi A6 2.0T SE:

Sexy.. Congratulations

alexstein
Mar 4, 2006, 12:04 PM
Hey! The Audi arrived - it's gorgeous! And it's the size of a small African state. My wife has already christened it 'the barge'.

The Golf GTI went back on Monday. I spent last weekend cleaning it from top to toe and she looked fabulous. Then she spent the night sitting outside the house almost forlorn, like a lamb to the slaughter. When the guy from the leasing company came to take her away it was a very emotional moment. But we must move on - out with the old and in with the new - and you thought I was fickle, right?! :D

2006 Audi A6 2.0T SE:

I love the styling of the new A6. Audi has done a great job of redesigning it. Again congrats on the new car.

CompUser
Mar 4, 2006, 12:11 PM
The new ride is a 06 BMW M3 Competition.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/4991/dsc01588small2jn.jpg

My neighbor has an M3, I love that car. A month ago he slid off the road durring a snow storm and hit a tree (who drives a sports car in the winter, when there is snow). It is fixed now. His is the same color too.

CompUser
Mar 4, 2006, 12:13 PM
Is it just me... or does your neiborhood look a little to perfect?

It looks like a stereotypical perfect california neighborhood.

To be perfect everyone would need the same car or a Volvo.

Marky_Mark
Mar 4, 2006, 01:11 PM
Thanks for your kind comments on my new Audi A6. It is fabulous. You just seem to gain speed effortlessly and very rapidly, without anything as vulgar as accelerating. :D Audi seem to have found an astounding balance between supple ride and cornering ability - no body roll into corners, but very comfortable over the bumps. I've just taken out a five year lease on this baby so I'm very glad it's as I remembered from the test drive. ;)

My best mate yesterday pointed out that the boot ("trunk" for y'all US folks out there) was big enough for not one, but two dead bodies! :eek: Time to change friends? ;)

The Golf was very highly strung - much wailing and nashing of teeth. It never did anything as competently or smoothly, although I never would have noticed without being able to make a comparison. The Audi is in a different league - quiet, refined and extremely composed.

Five mice for this one, I think. :)

HughJ
Mar 4, 2006, 06:38 PM
mine: '00 Nissan 200SX with approx 220bhp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/punto855/side.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/punto855/offside.jpg

and my toy i cant bear to get rid of it, its got approx 215bhp from a 1372cc engine..the turbo is larger than that of the nissan, weighs 1001Kg and goes like stink but its terrible unreliable since the engine been played with
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/punto855/PHTO0018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/punto855/PHTO0019.jpg

waynesun
Mar 4, 2006, 07:35 PM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/Paragonvictim/plateedit.jpg

dude! to each his own, but red out those altezzas!

waynesun
Mar 4, 2006, 07:38 PM
double posting.. sorry
http://eden.rutgers.edu/~kevinsun/pics/4.jpg
my bro's RSX type-S with minor power mods (injen cold air intake + fujitsubo powergetter cat back exhaust) and his friend's REX (sube WRX) with only cat-back as a power mod

http://eden.rutgers.edu/~kevinsun/pics/5.jpg
the rear

Dagless
Mar 4, 2006, 07:49 PM
heyheyhey soon you guys will be seeing me in a smeksy Triumph Spitfire.

It's just going to be fantastic. cheap to buy, run and own (insurance). and its the only car I've really wanted. I mean it just screams British! oh god I'm best just finishing off this post before I work out how much money I have and try to pool it together to finally get this beauty... *whimpers*

http://img.2dehands.be/f/normal/9543326.jpg

Dagless
Mar 4, 2006, 07:55 PM
The Golf...

you said Golf!

my 'mates' Golf. which isn't too bad. better than his old Peugeot 106 *shudders*. photo taken today over at Dovestones reservoir.

Lewis22
Mar 7, 2006, 05:36 PM
http://tinypic.com/etw1w3

For Sale Thread (http://www.theintegraforums.com/showthread.php?t=1232)

Toreador93
Mar 9, 2006, 02:10 AM
Originally Posted by w_parietti22
Is it just me... or does your neiborhood look a little to perfect?

Isn't that what Suburbia looks like?

You'd be amazed that one to two miles in any direction is a farm. It's sad how a quiet farming community can turn into one of those "perfect" towns found in horror movies.

CompUser:
This one of those rare Michigan days where I don't mind living in the rust belt.
If it turned into one of those "perfect towns", I'd be running out of here with a shotgun strapped to my back - dodging zombies or something :D

njstaffer
Mar 9, 2006, 06:30 AM
My '92 Camaro. Totally stock, but that will change when I put in a 454.:cool:

ryannel2003
Mar 17, 2006, 05:39 PM
My new car: 2000 Toyota Camry LE

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2407/img19763nb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

neut
Mar 17, 2006, 05:47 PM
My '92 Camaro. Totally stock, but that will change when I put in a 454.:cool:

That's kind of an odd choice (454) with the oil situation and all ... I can no longer afford to drive my Chevelle (350) and i wish my Acura 3.0 got better gas mileage. If it weren't for so many trucks (mainly SUVs and Hummers) on the road i'd get myself a motorcylcle.

I'm really glad i didn't drop a 454 in my Chevelle; i don't think i'd be able to sell it in the current market. Maybe i should have? It'd make a good gas saver for all these H2s on the road. :p


peace | neut

Takumi
Mar 17, 2006, 06:00 PM
This is the most ghotto car I own, It's no Takumi special but it hold it's own on the dirt roads

modifications include:
-Cut front springs
-rear leaf's turned upside down
-wealded diff
-rear tail pipe removed
-stripped interior
-racing slicks
-no air filter
-custom $12AUD matt black paint job
-bent front strut towers (gives the LH wheel heaps of caster, and still drives straight)
-bent chassie rails

Takumi

bleachthru
Mar 17, 2006, 06:31 PM
Here it is in all it's glory...My 1968 VW Bug, turned Baja. I love this car, it is so much fun to drive and build on. Mods include: Baja kit, custom front end, Full 6 point roll cage, 1915cc custom engine with Hemi cut Heads, custom transaxel w/superdiff, Tri-Mil Stinger, Über large tires, and a lot of soul!
http://myspace-232.vo.llnwd.net/00150/23/23/150003232_l.jpg

PaRaGoNViCtiM
Mar 17, 2006, 06:39 PM
dude! to each his own, but red out those altezzas!
Uh No.

mad jew
Mar 17, 2006, 06:54 PM
Takumi, I swear I've seen that very car on the road. I'm not sure which one of us should be more freaked out. :D

blackscooby
Mar 18, 2006, 12:35 PM
My Daily drive...
http://www.btinternet.com/~blackscooby/temp/cars/9-5_front_sm.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~blackscooby/temp/cars/9-5_rear_sm.jpg

My competition toy being abused !
http://www.btinternet.com/~blackscooby/pictures/Orchard3_1024.jpg

My 2 wheeled transport
http://www.btinternet.com/~blackscooby/temp/cars/vfr_wales2_sm.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~blackscooby/temp/cars/vfr_wales_sm.jpg

Takumi
Mar 18, 2006, 04:39 PM
Takumi, I swear I've seen that very car on the road. I'm not sure which one of us should be more freaked out. :D
If you're from South Australia that's a distinct possibility.

Plymouthbreezer
Mar 18, 2006, 05:10 PM
My new "toy," just brought it home today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/300hemic/Concorde002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/300hemic/Concorde00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/300hemic/Concorde003.jpg

It's a 2000 Chrysler Concorede LX. It has a sunroof, CD player, power seats, V6, just under 100,000 miles. It was $5,000.

blackscooby
Mar 18, 2006, 05:16 PM
Little toy store

http://www.btinternet.com/~blackscooby/garage.jpg
Escort is my brothers competition car, Daimlar is Dads play thing, Peugeot is mine.

ryannel2003
Mar 18, 2006, 05:32 PM
My new "toy," just brought it home today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/300hemic/Concorde002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/300hemic/Concorde00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/300hemic/Concorde003.jpg

It's a 2000 Chrysler Concorede LX. It has a sunroof, CD player, power seats, V6, just under 100,000 miles. It was $5,000.

What a steal! That is an awesome looking car! I always liked the look of that car over the Sebring and the newer 300! That is a much sleeker looking car.

mad jew
Mar 18, 2006, 05:48 PM
If you're from South Australia that's a distinct possibility.


Yeah, I spend some time down there. Don't see many S-plates though. :cool:

Plymouthbreezer
Mar 18, 2006, 07:02 PM
What a steal! That is an awesome looking car! I always liked the look of that car over the Sebring and the newer 300! That is a much sleeker looking car.
Yeah, they are indeed wonderful cars. We have another LH car in the family, so I'm use to the size of it. It's a big car by todays standards, 208 inches or thereabouts. Only the Crown Vic (and its twins) as well as a the big S Class are longer.

But, you gotta love the back seat size and overall spaciousness of the interior (plus the massive trunk... (For dead bodies?)) .

I have a few mods/fixes/need to do's planned:

• Get vanity plates/registered ($250)
• Fix front bumper paint chip ($150)
• New floor mats ($25)
• Debadge letters/dealer sticker (a few hours and a hairdryer)
• Rotate tires (Next oil change)
• Tint windows ($100??)

miniConvert
Mar 18, 2006, 07:51 PM
This is one of my cars, bought from new to my own specification. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish.

I'm under 30 and I don't have rich parents ;)

iShane
Mar 18, 2006, 08:18 PM
This is one of my cars, bought from new to my own specification. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish.

I'm under 30 and I don't have rich parents ;)

Whoa! Nice nice.

mad jew
Mar 18, 2006, 08:54 PM
This is one of my cars, bought from new to my own specification. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish...


Yet you only have a mini. You should be ashamed of yourself. Where do your priorities lie? :p



Aston Martins: best tourers ever. My girlfriend's dad has the same car on order. :cool:

yankeefan24
Mar 18, 2006, 09:14 PM
This is one of my cars, bought from new to my own specification. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish.

I'm under 30 and I don't have rich parents ;)

why didn't you buy a volante? much cooler.

i'm still a little skeptical if i should believe you or not. if you were a windows user i definitely wouldn't. but since you're a mac user i think that it might be real. but if i search google and find that pic you will get it.:p

miniConvert
Mar 19, 2006, 07:23 AM
why didn't you buy a volante? much cooler.
No, not really ;) I wanted the flagship model, and the DB7 is pretty damn ancient. Beauty in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

Yet you only have a mini. You should be ashamed of yourself. Where do your priorities lie?
Lol! Well, I've seen the errors of my ways now at least. It'd have been nice if Apple had sent me a mini that actually works... So long as the replacement is fine all will be forgiven.

Platform
Mar 19, 2006, 08:28 AM
This is one of my cars, bought from new to my own specification. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish.

I'm under 30 and I don't have rich parents ;)

WooooW.......man that car rocks...:D

UKnjb
Mar 19, 2006, 09:16 AM
This is one of my cars, bought from new to my own specification. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish.

I'm under 30 and I don't have rich parents ;)

Lucky lucky lucky lucky!!! And such total envy. Are Astons as good as they say? And -- er ---- , "one of my cars"??!!!? Please don't say that the others are Porsches and TVRs; that would be too much. But enjoy them all.

FWIW, here's mine, a Merc SLK230, 3 yrs old now. And, looking at the pics, it needs a good clean. It's fast, safe, got a few extra bits and bobs and does me just fine.

43418
43419

mjstew33
Mar 19, 2006, 11:02 AM
My new car: 2000 Toyota Camry LE

<snip>
I like that car! Great color!

mjstew33
Mar 19, 2006, 11:03 AM
This is one of my cars, bought from new to my own specification. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish.

I'm under 30 and I don't have rich parents ;)
That's an AWESOME car!

Take a picture or two more, please? :D

miniConvert
Mar 19, 2006, 11:33 AM
That's an AWESOME car!

Take a picture or two more, please? :D
For anyone else? No. For you, and that signature that *always* makes me giggle, always!

My favourite feature is the tin of Aston Martin branded mints, obviously.

ryannel2003
Mar 19, 2006, 03:04 PM
Yeah, they are indeed wonderful cars. We have another LH car in the family, so I'm use to the size of it. It's a big car by todays standards, 208 inches or thereabouts. Only the Crown Vic (and its twins) as well as a the big S Class are longer.

But, you gotta love the back seat size and overall spaciousness of the interior (plus the massive trunk... (For dead bodies?)) .

I have a few mods/fixes/need to do's planned:

• Get vanity plates/registered ($250)
• Fix front bumper paint chip ($150)
• New floor mats ($25)
• Debadge letters/dealer sticker (a few hours and a hairdryer)
• Rotate tires (Next oil change)
• Tint windows ($100??)

Yeah I need to get floormats for my car. Carpet floormats are like magents for getting really dirty. I hate that so much! Yeah I pretty much have to get all that stuff done except for the windows and the front bumper. Then I'll be set.

Ikstej24
Mar 21, 2006, 09:10 PM
My Mazda Millenia S

dmitiryo
Mar 27, 2006, 07:43 PM
here is mine

04 Mazda 3s

my picture btw:

http://static.flickr.com/21/92991616_7c2677efd1_o.jpg

Dr_Maybe
Mar 29, 2006, 02:08 PM
No, not really ;) I wanted the flagship model, and the DB7 is pretty damn ancient. Beauty in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

Don't listen to him, covertibles aren't that cool.

That's a really nice Aston, and in a proper dark colored paint job too, I like that. What color is it? Black or very dark green?

I've read that they do 12 layers of paint, and you can choose excactly the color you want.

floriflee
Mar 29, 2006, 02:37 PM
For anyone else? No. For you, and that signature that *always* makes me giggle, always!

My favourite feature is the tin of Aston Martin branded mints, obviously.

She IS a thing of beauty....

That so out does the little '97 Honda Civic I could post a picture of....

munkees
Mar 29, 2006, 03:18 PM
Well here are my fav rides the one destoryed was from an antitank mine, we both lived, but I will live with the results for the rest of my life. The one with the smoke is the replacement, such a great ride, does 40 MPH over any type of terrain with 6 shocks, 275 Turbo Charged engine, love this machine, climbs 60 degrees, swims, turns on the spot, and has a big gun to deal with bad traffic.

Diatribe
Mar 29, 2006, 03:48 PM
It's my current car and I just bought it. It's mostly a fun car and around here definitely more usable than a BMW or anything. And since I got it reeaally cheap I just couldn't pass it up.

tip
Mar 31, 2006, 11:53 PM
My 300zx twin turbo. I have an old Corolla GTS (AE86) that's being worked on at the moment - I'll post pics of that later.

http://www.h4r.org/dyno2.jpg

CompUser
Apr 14, 2006, 10:27 PM
I love my best friends dad's "midlife crisis"/weekend car. Its awesome. He drives down the street very fast in it (he's my neighbor). I've been in it and it is really fun. He treats it like a baby.

2005 Honda S2000

JBazz
Apr 15, 2006, 03:04 AM
I have a '97 Jeep Wrangler that still looks brand new and has less than 80K on it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/biggamir/me2/Jeep.jpg

And last year I purchased a MB.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/biggamir/me2/mb.jpg

ITASOR
Apr 15, 2006, 07:42 AM
I have a '97 Jeep Wrangler that still looks brand new and has less than 80K on it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/biggamir/me2/Jeep.jpg


Wow that does look nice! I love Jeeps and Jeep wranglers.

HckySo
Apr 15, 2006, 07:48 AM
I have a '97 Jeep Wrangler that still looks brand new and has less than 80K on it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/biggamir/me2/Jeep.jpg


I have a 97' half door soft top as well. But it's blue. Also a Nisson Maxima and a Mazda MX-5 Miata.

I'm too lazy to take pictures.

edesignuk
Apr 15, 2006, 09:35 AM
2005 Honda S2000:drool: That's what I'm trying to replace my Mini with :D

Someone buy my Mini dammit!

Plymouthbreezer
Apr 15, 2006, 10:28 AM
Yeah I need to get floormats for my car. Carpet floormats are like magents for getting really dirty. I hate that so much! Yeah I pretty much have to get all that stuff done except for the windows and the front bumper. Then I'll be set.
Yeah, plus, rubber ones are cheep enough.

The car goes in in about a week to get the bumper fixed, de-badged, and clearcoated. Tint hopefully the week after.

Here's our Bimmer that I wanted my mom to give to me, but it's terribly unreliable, so we're probably getting rid of it and getting an A6 or something comparable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/300hemic/BMWsmall.jpg

devilot
Apr 15, 2006, 10:33 AM
:drool: That's what I'm trying to replace my Mini with :D

Someone buy my Mini dammit!Blasephemous!!! :mad: (although I do have the S2000 antenna on my MINI :p)

Plymouthbreezer
Apr 15, 2006, 10:35 AM
My Mazda Millenia S
I love these cars. My cousin has one - same color and trim - good cars to drive.

cheekyspanky
Apr 15, 2006, 10:38 AM
:drool: That's what I'm trying to replace my Mini with :D

Someone buy my Mini dammit!

I'm having a test drive in a Mini on Tuesday - although I've heard they're being updated fairly soon - new colours etc for the run out batch before the facelifted version comes out september time. Although how accurate that is I'm not sure.

Didn't realise it was so hard to choose a car! Options at the moment are the Fiat Grande Punto Sporting 1.4. A Mini of some description or an older Fiesta or similar to hold on til those updated Mini's (or something better) come out.

edesignuk
Apr 15, 2006, 10:44 AM
Blasephemous!!! :mad: (although I do have the S2000 antenna on my MINI :p)Hehe, sorry. I've had the Mini 4 years now and am a little bored, plus mine is just the Cooper, not the S as you have. I'm a bloke, I need more POWAR!!!! :D

CompUser
Apr 15, 2006, 11:25 AM
:drool: That's what I'm trying to replace my Mini with :D

Someone buy my Mini dammit!

The S2000 quite possibly has the coolest dashboard ever (not interior, but "instrument cluster"), all digital guages and the RPM meter is just awesome. My other neighbor has a BMW Z4 3.0, which I have also been in. The S2000 just seems a lot more fun plus it redlines at 9,000RPM!!! Its amazing how its little 1.8 liter engine powers that puppy.

S2000 Dash:
http://www.toyotaoffroad.net/jnburtman/s2000/s_dash.jpg

Neighbors not as cool BMW (its at school cause he was watching his son's lacrosse game)

devilot
Apr 15, 2006, 12:49 PM
I'm a bloke, I need more POWAR!!!! :DBecause women don't need power, right? ;) Why not get one of the new special edition Cooper S coming out? The GP something?

Ikstej24
Apr 15, 2006, 02:36 PM
I love these cars. My cousin has one - same color and trim - good cars to drive.

I love mine. The supercharged V6 is strong. I also retrofitted HID's and added a system.

edesignuk
Apr 15, 2006, 03:25 PM
Because women don't need power, right? ;)Did I say that? http://help.msn.com/resources/targeted/en-us/macmsgv50/content/angel_smile.gif :DWhy not get one of the new special edition Cooper S coming out? The GP something?Cause it'd still be another Mini, a fast one, but still a Mini. I neeeeeeed something different.

However, this (http://pistonheads.co.uk/sales/71829.htm) one would be pretty scary! :eek: Way out of my price range, but I bet it would be a hoot! :D :cool:

miniConvert
Apr 15, 2006, 04:23 PM
Don't listen to him, covertibles aren't that cool.

That's a really nice Aston, and in a proper dark colored paint job too, I like that. What color is it? Black or very dark green?

I've read that they do 12 layers of paint, and you can choose excactly the color you want.
Hey! Thanks, I'm really pleased you like it. It's actually my own colour that Aston Martin made up for me, so I'm glad you can't quite put your finger on it. It took them a few tries, but eventually they came up with a colour that was exactly what I wanted. It cost a little extra (cough), but I get the guarantee that no other Aston will ever be exactly the same colour without my permission.

The paintwork they do at Newport Pagnell is just amazing. There's so much depth to it you sometimes feel like you could fall in!

joshua_msu
Apr 22, 2006, 10:02 AM
m5 and 996. bling!

iShane
Apr 22, 2006, 10:27 AM
m5 and 996. bling!

Is that your house behind the M5? :eek:

redeye be
Apr 22, 2006, 01:00 PM
m5 and 996. bling!
Is that your girlfriend next to the 996? :eek:


nice bike, very nice

ph0rce
Apr 22, 2006, 01:02 PM
imo i think white looks best on macs and ipods, not cars, how much tome do you apend cleaning it lol?

keithbennis
Apr 23, 2006, 03:23 PM
here is mine

04 Mazda 3s

my picture btw:

http://static.flickr.com/21/92991616_7c2677efd1_o.jpg

Good choice. I have the 3S also, in white. I <3 it.

MIDI_EVIL
Apr 23, 2006, 04:41 PM
Little toy store

http://www.btinternet.com/~blackscooby/garage.jpg
Escort is my brothers competition car, Daimlar is Dads play thing, Peugeot is mine.

The MK1 Escort (white car) is my all time, absolute dream car. One of these days, i will own two, maybe three of them!

Rich.

MP3Architect
Apr 23, 2006, 09:48 PM
Well since Im a car nut i guess this makes for a good first post.

my 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege.......

http://www.msprotege.com/members/MP3Architect/msp/beach.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/MP3Architect/msp/missy.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/MP3Architect/msp/new17.jpg

im in love with my car so much i used to actually have 2....mazdaspeed and mp3 edition...
http://www.msprotege.com/members/MP3Architect/twins/twins4.jpg

mad jew
Apr 23, 2006, 09:50 PM
MP3Architect, cool car, but how do you drive in those shoes? Also, I'm guessing you're a Subaru fan? :p

4God
Apr 23, 2006, 10:02 PM
My '06 Cadillac STS.

joshua_msu
Apr 25, 2006, 05:36 PM
imo i think white looks best on macs and ipods, not cars, how much tome do you apend cleaning it lol?


Not much at all. It never really sees the rain, and it is always covered in the garage. The white just looks so slick in the hot summer sun.

AHDuke99
Apr 25, 2006, 05:36 PM
my benz

Temujin
Apr 25, 2006, 05:44 PM
Buying a car in Denmark is a "bit" more expensive than in the rest of the world. A smaller new car costs around $20.000. A Mercedes-Benz C 200 CDI $100.000. So my means of transportation will look like this for years to come http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://home3.inet.tele.dk/henrhans/mfa52b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://home3.inet.tele.dk/henrhans/mfa52b.htm&h=597&w=1024&sz=87&tbnid=4aUSmEHuvjkP6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=150&hl=da&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3DIC3%2Btog%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dda%26lr%3D

Oh, and a driver license might come in handy too (around $1300)

Ryan1524
Apr 25, 2006, 10:27 PM
Not much at all. It never really sees the rain, and it is always covered in the garage. The white just looks so slick in the hot summer sun.

White actually is very resistant to dirt. My dad used to have a white Accord and it almost always appears clean, you only see the dirt if you get to close to it. Now imagine a week's worth of dirt or rain on a navy blue or black car.

clothes seems to act the opposite way of cars when it comes to colours and dirt.

MP3Architect
Apr 26, 2006, 12:05 AM
MP3Architect, cool car, but how do you drive in those shoes? Also, I'm guessing you're a Subaru fan? :p
thats not me thats a model obviously. im a dude. and i think subies are ok but i personally like the styling of the mazdaspeed over the wrx. plus mazdaspeeds are way more rare that wrxs/stis.

mad jew
Apr 26, 2006, 12:31 AM
thats not me thats a model obviously. im a dude.


Ahh... Okay then. :(


and i think subies are ok but i personally like the styling of the mazdaspeed over the wrx. plus mazdaspeeds are way more rare that wrxs/stis.


Yeah, fair enough. That Mazda sure is set up to look like a Subaru though. :cool:

Cloudgazer
Apr 26, 2006, 04:47 AM
The S2000 quite possibly has the coolest dashboard ever (not interior, but "instrument cluster"), all digital guages and the RPM meter is just awesome. My other neighbor has a BMW Z4 3.0, which I have also been in. The S2000 just seems a lot more fun plus it redlines at 9,000RPM!!! Its amazing how its little 1.8 liter engine powers that puppy.



Noooo, you can't be serious.
Digital guages came and went in the 80's. They're tacky and cheap looking.
Kinda like a Dell. :D

This is my car (not the one in the pic), but its the same model and two-tone colour.
And, yes, it does have an apple sticker on the back window.:cool:

munkees
Apr 26, 2006, 05:04 AM
My '06 Cadillac STS.

nice cady, i love the sts, such a great car, looks better than a Mercedes or BMW, seems mores solid

munkees
Apr 26, 2006, 05:04 AM
Buying a car in Denmark is a "bit" more expensive than in the rest of the world. A smaller new car costs around $20.000. A Mercedes-Benz C 200 CDI $100.000. So my means of transportation will look like this for years to come http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://home3.inet.tele.dk/henrhans/mfa52b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://home3.inet.tele.dk/henrhans/mfa52b.htm&h=597&w=1024&sz=87&tbnid=4aUSmEHuvjkP6M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=150&hl=da&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3DIC3%2Btog%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dda%26lr%3D

Oh, and a driver license might come in handy too (around $1300)

Bad side of socialism

groovebuster
Apr 26, 2006, 05:36 AM
Our two family cars...

http://www.kleberg.net/download/pictures/newold.jpg

Any questions? ;)

groovebuster

Cloudgazer
Apr 26, 2006, 06:07 AM
Our two family cars...

Any questions? ;)

groovebuster

Just one question, how do you get a family into the first one?
:D

I mean you could literally put the first car inside the 2nd one and take it on holiday.

groovebuster
Apr 26, 2006, 06:19 AM
Just one question, how do you get a family into the first one?
Believe it or not, it is good for four people if you don't have a lot of baggage. It rewards you with low fuel consumption and low running costs overall. And in a crowded city like Berlin you always find a parking spot. :)

My wife and I love that little car! :)

groovebuster

mad jew
Apr 26, 2006, 07:31 AM
I don't mean to be rude, but it is a car, right? I mean, it's not just a sardine tin that some prankster has stuck buttons on the side of, is it?

In all seriousness, kudos for relieving the world of another wasteful petrol guzzler. If you can get by with such a small car, then I commend you.

iGary
Apr 26, 2006, 07:35 AM
My 300zx twin turbo. I have an old Corolla GTS (AE86) that's being worked on at the moment - I'll post pics of that later.

http://www.h4r.org/dyno2.jpg

Here ya go. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-780833035669160937&q=bmw+m5&pl=true)

mpw
Apr 26, 2006, 07:59 AM
I don't mean to be rude, but it is a car, right? I mean, it's not just a sardine tin that some prankster has stuck buttons on the side of, is it?

In all seriousness, kudos for relieving the world of another wasteful petrol guzzler. If you can get by with such a small car, then I commend you.
Hey! I used to drive a FIAT Cinqucento the same as that and it was a great little car in town. Unfortunately it didn't do too well when I took it to France and hit the motorway, it seemed to be unable to suck enough petrol to keep going and every time it reached 60mph it would cut out and coast down to around 30mph before fireing again. We turned round and picked up my mum's Clio.
The FIAT is a great town car though.

My new car's due next week so I'll be posting a picture then.

M-theory
Apr 26, 2006, 08:50 AM
Bad side of socialism

is there a good side???

groovebuster
Apr 26, 2006, 11:46 AM
Hey! I used to drive a FIAT Cinqucento the same as that and it was a great little car in town. Unfortunately it didn't do too well when I took it to France and hit the motorway, it seemed to be unable to suck enough petrol to keep going and every time it reached 60mph it would cut out and coast down to around 30mph before fireing again. We turned round and picked up my mum's Clio.
The FIAT is a great town car though.
Never had these problems... I did a lot of travelling with this car before the kids were there. It makes 90mph on the highway (but is relatively loud then). A comfortable travelling speed is around 75mph getting 39mpg. Even when going full speed I always get at least 30mpg.

Once we went from Berlin -> Paris -> Normandie -> Berlin with this car without any problems.

groovebuster

mpw
Apr 26, 2006, 12:18 PM
...It makes 90mph on the highway...
You must've had a tail wind as the cars quoted top speed was only 87mph!

groovebuster
Apr 26, 2006, 12:46 PM
You must've had a tail wind as the cars quoted top speed was only 87mph!
Nope! No tail wind! The car is going always 90mph when the engine is warm and the conditions are perfect. Got a good one I guess. ;) Bought it new back then and always took care of it. It is 9 years old now and people always can't believe that it still looks that good for it's age.

Downhill I once had it up to 100mph... but not for long because I didn't want to kill the engine...

groovebuster

munkees
Apr 26, 2006, 12:50 PM
is there a good side???

True true, there is no good side, I should of said extreme side

LifeIsCheap
Apr 26, 2006, 10:36 PM
Hehe, sorry. I've had the Mini 4 years now and am a little bored, plus mine is just the Cooper, not the S as you have. I'm a bloke, I need more POWAR!!!! :D
You know an S is all very well, but even after a couple of years in that you STILL NEED MORE POWAAAARRR!!! I want to soup this baby up a bit but the insurance premiums make me giddy... I just bought a house...

<turns pockets inside out>
<crumpled bus ticket drifts to the ground>
<shrugs and wanders off wondering how much it would be to paint his brake calipers red. at least it would look quicker...>

miniConvert
Apr 26, 2006, 10:42 PM
Well, there's always the JCW :p I love my mini, it stands its ground against the other motors, though it has to sit outside on the drive, poor thing :( 220BHP if I remember correctly, not too shabby for something so tiny.

It has the JCW wheels on it now too, which I love. The only pic I have with those, though, is with the top up - and I think it's fair to say the Mini convertable only comes into its own when it's topless (like some other things in life...)!

KappaH
Apr 26, 2006, 11:16 PM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e46/KappaH/100_0509.jpg

My CL.

ChicoWeb
Apr 26, 2006, 11:42 PM
My '06 Cadillac STS.
Nice rideee.

Dr_Maybe
Apr 28, 2006, 08:06 PM
True true, there is no good side, I should of said extreme side
I'm glad you say that. There is too much socialism in the world (ie. any). In the USA too. And especially in all the "developing" countries, where the government steals and murders more randomly than in the western countries.

iEugene
Apr 29, 2006, 10:35 PM
I feel pretty poor compared to some of you folks! Nice cars around here.

Here's mine. 1992 Pontiac Grand Prix, it had major problems for over a year. We spent maybe 3K on it total in trying to fix it (replaced nearly everything) only to find it was one spark plug. :mad:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/sumkindamonstur/Russell.jpg

Hummer
Apr 30, 2006, 12:07 AM
My lovely ride every morning.

For the ladies, seats 1000 comfortably. *wink*

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/02/92/70/image_2070922.jpg

Peyton
Apr 30, 2006, 12:10 AM
I feel pretty poor compared to some of you folks! Nice cars around here.

Here's mine. 1992 Pontiac Grand Prix, it had major problems for over a year. We spent maybe 3K on it total in trying to fix it (replaced nearly everything) only to find it was one spark plug. :mad:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/sumkindamonstur/Russell.jpg

OMG I would be SO mad. At least it runs now right?

FYI, you can buy a car for 3K ;) :p

FadeToBlack
Apr 30, 2006, 06:30 AM
'91 Beretta GT
-Teal/Black Interior (Black interior is very rare)
-3.1/3 Speed Auto.
-82,000 Original Miles

http://usera.imagecave.com/FadeToBlack/1991_Beretta_GT/91GT_14-800x600.jpg

bartelby
Apr 30, 2006, 06:48 AM
I wish I could say my car was one of these:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a132/Carbonated_Noise/Alfa-SZsm.jpg


Or one of these:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a132/Carbonated_Noise/Ferrari250sm.jpg

Airforce
Apr 30, 2006, 06:53 AM
I wish I could say my car was one of these:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a132/Carbonated_Noise/Alfa-SZsm.jpg

That thing is ugly. No loss there...

bartelby
Apr 30, 2006, 07:01 AM
Er.. no it's not.

Airforce
Apr 30, 2006, 03:26 PM
Er.. no it's not.

Sure is to me.

xper
Apr 30, 2006, 03:44 PM
Sure is to me.
Yeah, pure uglieness, looks like something from the 80's, the worst decade in motorhistory _ever_

radiantm3
May 1, 2006, 06:01 AM
Er.. no it's not.

Don't worry, us Americans tend to have the worst taste when it comes to cars. :p The only beautiful american cars are the Ford GT and the new Corvette.

Jay42
May 1, 2006, 06:15 AM
Don't worry, us Americans tend to have the worst taste when it comes to cars. :p The only beautiful american cars are the Ford GT and the new Corvette.

Amen, but I'm starting to worry about the Europeans' taste over at the BMW hq as well. :rolleyes:

Airforce
May 1, 2006, 06:22 AM
Don't worry, us Americans tend to have the worst taste when it comes to cars. :p The only beautiful american cars are the Ford GT and the new Corvette.

The hell? Ford GT and new Corvette the only beautiful cars? America has a history of great looking cars. Don't speak for me or anyone else other than yourself ;)

iGary
May 1, 2006, 06:32 AM
Amen, but I'm starting to worry about the Europeans' taste over at the BMW hq as well. :rolleyes:

Blame Chris Bangle. (http://www.petitiononline.com/STOPCB/petition.html)

bartelby
May 1, 2006, 06:34 AM
Don't worry, us Americans tend to have the worst taste when it comes to cars. :p The only beautiful american cars are the Ford GT and the new Corvette.


Can anyone here remember the Vector ( I think that's what it was called)?

Now they were ugly cars from the 80s!!

But some people did try their hardest to improve the look:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/vector/vector_060802_01.jpg

radiantm3
May 1, 2006, 06:45 AM
The hell? Ford GT and new Corvette the only beautiful cars? America has a history of great looking cars. Don't speak for me or anyone else other than yourself ;)

I was speaking more about recent cars. :cool:

boneca
May 1, 2006, 10:43 AM
here is mine

04 Mazda 3s


nice car Дима :Тup:

boneca
May 1, 2006, 10:45 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/boneca/IMG_0140Small.jpg

spinne1
May 1, 2006, 06:33 PM
Don't worry, us Americans tend to have the worst taste when it comes to cars. :p The only beautiful american cars are the Ford GT and the new Corvette.

I beg to differ. I think my 92 Buick LeSabre is one of the best looking cars of all time. As for American cars, I love most everything from about 1953-1959. I also think there are several good looking models today, especially from Chrysler.

Have a look-see at the Crossfire and tell me its ugly:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Startech-Chrysler-Crossfire-Roadster-FA-1600x1200.jpg

The 1958 Impala is pure design genius:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1950-1959/1958-Chevrolet-Impala-Convertible-Aqua-po.htm

The 1992 LeSabre:

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1992-99-Buick-LeSabre-94121281990402.JPG

Sure, the late 70s/early 80s were AWFUL for almost all car companies, but things have improved greatly.

radiantm3
May 1, 2006, 06:40 PM
I beg to differ. I think my 92 Buick LeSabre is one of the best looking cars of all time. As for American cars, I love most everything from about 1953-1959. I also think there are several good looking models today, especially from Chrysler.

Have a look-see at the Crossfire and tell me its ugly:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Startech-Chrysler-Crossfire-Roadster-FA-1600x1200.jpg

The 1958 Impala is pure design genius:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1950-1959/1958-Chevrolet-Impala-Convertible-Aqua-po.htm

The 1992 LeSabre:

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1992-99-Buick-LeSabre-94121281990402.JPG

Sure, the late 70s/early 80s were AWFUL for almost all car companies, but things have improved greatly.

I can't really tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. :D If you are serious, then you just proved my point. :p

rickvanr
May 1, 2006, 06:47 PM
I beg to differ. I think my 92 Buick LeSabre is one of the best looking cars of all time. As for American cars, I love most everything from about 1953-1959. I also think there are several good looking models today, especially from Chrysler.

Have a look-see at the Crossfire and tell me its ugly:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Startech-Chrysler-Crossfire-Roadster-FA-1600x1200.jpg

The 1958 Impala is pure design genius:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1950-1959/1958-Chevrolet-Impala-Convertible-Aqua-po.htm

The 1992 LeSabre:

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1992-99-Buick-LeSabre-94121281990402.JPG

Sure, the late 70s/early 80s were AWFUL for almost all car companies, but things have improved greatly.

hahahaha... haha... ha... hmm, you're too much...

and radiantm3, yes the Ford GT is beautiful. Definitely my favourite NA car from a major manufacturer.

Dr_Maybe
May 1, 2006, 06:48 PM
I was speaking more about recent cars. :cool:
Yeah.

While the new corvette looks pretty cool, I don't think it's beautiful. The Ford GT will do (the original GT40 is awesome). But I can't think of any other recent American car. Some are OK, though.

But there's a lot of classic American designs, I think look great. Mostly from the 1950's and 1960's.

I think the best recent designs are the ones from brands from Italy, Germany and England. For instance Aston Martin, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche 997, Range Rover.

BTW Bangle is an American. I like the new 5er, esp. the M5. And the Z4 is way cooler than the Z3. I don't like the 1er so much, though, and the 3er rearlights look boring.

leftfoot
May 1, 2006, 11:49 PM
Here's my car...

It's a 2005 Altima SE-R.

http://static.flickr.com/44/128572366_068c227001_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/47/128572368_3df7096101_b.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/50/138865781_a5b85ae2d6_o.jpg

Now, if you want to be economical it gets 25-30 on the highway.
Or, if you want to take the trip to 60mph in 5.5 seconds from light to light, it gets around 18mpg.
http://www.modernracer.com/nissanaltimaser.html

4God
May 2, 2006, 12:05 AM
nice cady, i love the sts, such a great car, looks better than a Mercedes or BMW, seems mores solid

Thanks...

Nice rideee.

..and Thanks. :)

spinne1
May 2, 2006, 12:08 AM
I can't really tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. :D If you are serious, then you just proved my point. :p

I am serious, and taste is entirely subjective, therefore to me I have good taste and to you I have poor taste and vice versa. European cars can often look good, but are often too much about driving and not enough about riding (I prefer to ride (and I don't mean as a passenger)). I don't care for many foreign car interiors. They are much better now than twenty years ago. They are still too much hard plastic and hard seats for my taste. I don't care at all for quick acceleration or tight pin turning (because the thrill of those things wore off years ago for me), so for me a car is much more about how comfortable I am, and how good I feel in it.

As for the lower priced European cars (at least from what I can tell from movies and TV shows), all I can say is PUKE. Basically they look like recycled Yugo, Chevette, and Toyota Tercel designs--tiny box-like cars with little protection in a wreck and little comfort and little space for people or things. Yuck.

My cousin has a decent BMW and it is fine, but I wouldn't trade him for my LeSabre. Why? It costs a fortune to fix (and he has had to make expensive repairs), is not that roomy, has leather seats (yuck), and has a manual stick shift (no thank you--that is my RADIO hand).

To each his own.

PS: leftfoot, the Altima is really a nice car. Nissan got it right. It looks good and is not too costly.

PS II: Of course an Aston Martin is going to look great, but if you pay that much for a car, it BETTER look great. I paid $1500 two years ago for my LeSabre. I will never have a car payment again the rest of my life. I will pay cash for used cars that have mostly depreciated but that have good useable life left in them.

Dr_Maybe
May 2, 2006, 05:02 AM
As for the lower priced European cars (at least from what I can tell from movies and TV shows), all I can say is PUKE. Basically they look like recycled Yugo, Chevette, and Toyota Tercel designs--tiny box-like cars with little protection in a wreck and little comfort and little space for people or things. Yuck.

I once saw an American "comedy", where some americans went to France and drove around in a tiny rental car. I think it was a Metro. I'm not sure, but I think those are more popular in the US. I think it was supposed to give the impression of "oh look in Europe people drive around in small crappy cars." Well, some do, but not those cars. There are the Smart cars, which are very small, but those aren't that cheap.

Here's an example of a small "cheap" European car. A Renault. French, so it would never sell in the US ;) http://www.renault.fr/PUD/FR/PROD_FR/MEL_PROD/fr/13054698_vn_mc_wp_800_001.jpeg

It got a top rating on crash tests, and has crumple zones, so the passenger cabin will be intact, but other parts will crumple and absorb energy. And then active security like ESP, ABS, and airbags. ESP, ABS etc. and a car, that can handle also makes it easier to avoid a crash in the first place.

As for comfort, don't you think for instance Mercedes Benz cars are just as comfortable? They have had quality problems in recent years, and they are quite expensive, but are still comfortable.

I can totally understand why you like your LeSabre. When I lived in the US for a short while, I considered buying a late 80's or early 90's Lincoln Towncar. Handles like a boat, but looks pretty cool. Cheap, comfortable, and a big engine with lots of torque.

mpw
May 2, 2006, 05:38 AM
...Here's an example of a small "cheap" European car. A Renault. French, so it would never sell in the US ;) http://www.renault.fr/PUD/FR/PROD_FR/MEL_PROD/fr/13054698_vn_mc_wp_800_001.jpeg

It got a top rating on crash tests, and has crumple zones, so the passenger cabin will be intact, but other parts will crumple and absorb energy. And then active security like ESP, ABS, and airbags. ESP, ABS etc. and a car, that can handle also makes it easier to avoid a crash in the first place....
Or how about this http://www.whatcar.com/Car/Renault/Clio/28266247501.jpg
also from Renault but smaller and cheaper with the same amount of interior space and better ride.

European small cars can be very comfortable and have very good handling/ride their interior space is OK for most journeys too, but if I was in the US where both corners and fuel cost are practically non-exsistant I'd probably buy a much larger car too. You can never have too much space.

spinne1
May 2, 2006, 04:19 PM
Or how about this http://www.whatcar.com/Car/Renault/Clio/28266247501.jpg
also from Renault but smaller and cheaper with the same amount of interior space and better ride.

European small cars can be very comfortable and have very good handling/ride their interior space is OK for most journeys too, but if I was in the US where both corners and fuel cost are practically non-exsistant I'd probably buy a much larger car too. You can never have too much space.

I understand gas prices are brutal overseas. Right now the US is in an uproar because our gas prices are around $2.85 for the cheapest gas (87 octane). It wasn't long ago when we paid just over $1 a gallon (and in March of 1992 when I left Atlanta, Georgia, gas was 83 cents a gallon). For our system, it is hurting people. Many, many people live 20 minutes to an hour away from work and commute. The long drives are adding up on people's budgets. Also, there is not good mass transit except for large cities (of which Nashville does not qualify). People live too far for a bicycle, not to mention the roads are not safe for bicycles generally.

The Renault is a nice looking design but still very small. I could not go down to Home Depot (a home improvement store) and grab some 8 foot lumber like I can in my LeSabre (stick the front ends on the passenger side dash, hang the rears out the left rear window a few feet and off you go). Nor could I pull anything with it, like the U-Haul enclosed utility trailer we rent every year to go camping.

But I see your point. The car is advanced and nice.

Nikore
May 2, 2006, 06:49 PM
This is my "new" babby just bought.

Its a 1997 BMW M3.

Sammis89
May 2, 2006, 06:58 PM
This is my "new" babby just bought.

Its a 1997 BMW M3.


That car is my dream car... before th redesign either last year or the year before, when it got all curvy and 7 series like...

cheekyspanky
May 2, 2006, 07:49 PM
Many, many people live 20 minutes to an hour away from work and commute. The long drives are adding up on people's budgets.

20 minutes to 1 hour is a long drive? It takes me over half an hour to get to work and I consider that a short drive..and thats by UK standards!

I keep considering a diesel Fiat Grande Punto - up to 70mpg, but everything else - dealer service, reliability etc tells me to keep clear! Would be tempted by the Clio above or a nice Mini Cooper though when they update them for 2007 - if their mpg is better anyway.

boneca
May 2, 2006, 08:49 PM
This is my "new" babby just bought.

Its a 1997 BMW M3.

great car man, little small for my taste but hey M5 is much more expensive :D

if you don't mine me asking how many miles were on the car 9 year old right? and how much damage it cost you?

TIA

calebjohnston
May 2, 2006, 09:44 PM
I swear this isn't the first picture if you google for crappy cars.

Supa_Fly
May 2, 2006, 09:46 PM
Here's my car...

It's a 2005 Altima SE-R.

http://static.flickr.com/44/128572366_068c227001_b.jpg
Now, if you want to be economical it gets 25-30 on the highway.
Or, if you want to take the trip to 60mph in 5.5 seconds from light to light, it gets around 18mpg.
http://www.modernracer.com/nissanaltimaser.html

Although this car looks really pimp I think you should consider your callsign when you start to believe in the 0-60MPH time of 5.5 est. Leftfoot = breaks in N.A.:D .
Do you really think that with the 350Z's engine with more weight, and higher Co-Efficient of drag and $12'000 cheaper sticker price that Nissan would have this ride faster than the Z? I'd understand the Infiniti G35 Coupe because gearing is better with roughly the same weight & 2 more adult seats is better value; but not the Altima.

Still Big pimping though really nice ride, and the perfect color; care to post interior photos too please?!

I'd like a 1280x1024 Drivers point of view for my desktop photo, please;)

radiantm3
May 2, 2006, 09:52 PM
Although this car looks really pimp I think you should consider your callsign when you start to believe in the 0-60MPH time of 5.5 est. Leftfoot = breaks in N.A.:D .
Do you really think that with the 350Z's engine with more weight, and higher Co-Efficient of drag and $12'000 cheaper sticker price that Nissan would have this ride faster than the Z? I'd understand the Infiniti G35 Coupe because gearing is better with roughly the same weight & 2 more adult seats is better value; but not the Altima.
You forgot to mention the fact that the altima is a FWD car. With all that torque and hp, the front end will be jumping before it gets any traction.

chriswan
May 2, 2006, 10:20 PM
Here's a picture of my car...or atleast inside of the car. I took the pic on the way to work...was a little bored and had my camera.

http://static.flickr.com/45/139476737_cef5b83713_b.jpg

mpw
May 3, 2006, 01:35 AM
Here's a picture of my car...or atleast inside of the car. I took the pic on the way to work...was a little bored and had my camera.

http://static.flickr.com/45/139476737_cef5b83713_b.jpg
Wow, you have an invisible girlfriend! At least you get to use the car-pool lane.

groovebuster
May 3, 2006, 01:48 AM
20 minutes to 1 hour is a long drive? It takes me over half an hour to get to work and I consider that a short drive..and thats by UK standards!
Amen to that! Here in Berlin it takes me 45 minutes to get to the office, which is a good average... I know people having a 1.5 hours drive to work...

I keep considering a diesel Fiat Grande Punto - up to 70mpg, but everything else - dealer service, reliability etc tells me to keep clear! Would be tempted by the Clio above or a nice Mini Cooper though when they update them for 2007 - if their mpg is better anyway.
Don't worry about the quality of FIAT. They got significantly better during the last few years. We have a FIAT stilo 1.9 Turbo Diesel since 2 years and we never had any problem with it (at least none worth to be mentined).

groovebuster

Nikore
May 3, 2006, 01:53 AM
great car man, little small for my taste but hey M5 is much more expensive :D

if you don't mine me asking how many miles were on the car 9 year old right? and how much damage it cost you?

TIA

It's really not all that small when you get in too it but yeah the M5 is bigger but WAY more expensive lol.

It has 62,322 miles on it and I bought it for 10500 but he let the registration laps on it so gave me 300 bucks off (the cost of the smog check + registration penalties) so I got it for 10200. It was an awesome deal I got it off ebay. And yeah its 9 years old but its practically bran new the previous owner took really really good care of it. Almost on the verge of obsessive compulsive care lol.

Peyton
May 3, 2006, 01:58 AM
Here's a picture of my car...or atleast inside of the car. I took the pic on the way to work...was a little bored and had my camera.

snip...

I really like your car! Is it the 250 or 350? I'm in the market, I was thinking this, or a Mercedes... obviously you like the lexus better, what made you like it over anything else? driving thoughts? THANKS

edit... you clearly have the GS, not the IS as I was thinking... still nice tho

munkees
May 3, 2006, 02:18 AM
For the euopean / US car debate, well I used to think US car look ugly, but now, after living in the US for years, and then moving back to euope, Germany, for 3 years, the Euopean cars look thin, week, age really quick. In the Mags, on the TV, they look great, but in real life look week, and basic, with thin bodies.

I going to stick with a US looking vehicle seems alot strong, also still is bigger. I now gas is high at $3 a gallon, BTW that the price I pay in Germany from US bases, it still better than $6 dollars a gallon the euopeans are paying, and those poor brits, they paying even more. For every 4 cents or pence in the UK, add 3 on top for tax, 76% tax.

groovebuster
May 3, 2006, 02:24 AM
As for the lower priced European cars (at least from what I can tell from movies and TV shows), all I can say is PUKE. Basically they look like recycled Yugo, Chevette, and Toyota Tercel designs--tiny box-like cars with little protection in a wreck and little comfort and little space for people or things. Yuck.
You really don't know what you are talking about... These cars are great if you want to spend your money on other things than just the car. A car is not a status symbol by definition, even though it seems to be for you. Big cars of course look better in most cases, because you have more dough to play with design-wise and a too sophicticated design would be expenisive to build which would be a contradiction to the goal of building an affordable car.

Our FIAT cinquecento is a really great car. Please keep in mind that 98% of the time just one or two people are in the car. So you drive around lots of metal and plastic for nothing. Try to find a parking spot in Berlin with your fugly LeSabre (sorry, but I really don't get why you think that this car looks better than the small european cars you were bashing), I wish you good luck. ;) And your claim that a little car is uncomfortable just proves that you never sat in one, because it is not true. We were even going to Paris (from Berlin, two people) with it and it was a nice trip.

I know many people who have a small car now and if there is the need for a bigger car once in a while, they rent one. Overall it is still cheaper than buying a big one, considering all the extra money you have to spend for the bigger car (purchase, gasoline, repairs, insurance). You have to rent a car quite a few times before you reach the break-even...

And last time I checked you had a speed limit in the US even on the highways... so top speed shouldn't be concern for you anyway, right?

So what is it then? Protection? Most of the little european cars do way better than most of the US brand cars...

My cousin has a decent BMW and it is fine, but I wouldn't trade him for my LeSabre. Why? It costs a fortune to fix (and he has had to make expensive repairs), is not that roomy, has leather seats (yuck), and has a manual stick shift (no thank you--that is my RADIO hand).
Trying to find reasons why you don't like the car? For your information... You get BMWs also without leather seats, but if he likes them it should be OK... right?

BMW is an expensive brand. So repairs are expensive too. What exactly is the surprise? If you buy a BMW you know that in advance. If you don't have the cash, don't consider one.

A standard transmission has a lot of advantages. Besides saving gas it is better for the occasional sporty driving. I suppose you don't know how to use one? That's why you are bashing it... I always prefer a standard transmisson and I never had problems with my "radio-hand"...

To each his own.

I guess...

...Euopean cars ... age really quick...

What the hell are you talking about?

groovebuster

dpaanlka
May 3, 2006, 03:03 AM
This is my pride and joy. It replaced my 1996 Camaro Z28. It is a 2001 SAAB 9-5 Aero turbo, with a five speed transmission. Tis an exceedingly rare car and it took me over three months to find one in my price range (sub 12 grand) - in another state! I love having a car that nobody ever sees. High mileage but very good condition. It is way more reliable than my Camaro ever was, and almost as fast. And I often get 31 mpg highway driving between central Illinois and Chicago!

As a side note, this is the most expensive production four cylinder ever sold in the United States. Original sticker price $41,720 before taxes (I still have the sticker!). Fun!

SAABs have so many clever features that it blows me away. Everything, even simple things like the cup-holder and air vents, feels "advanced". I know of few cars, especially 2001s, that have front and rear heated seats, or refridgerated glove compartments. And, have to LOVE that Night Panel, which shuts off all lights inside the car except the speedometer.

dpaanlka
May 3, 2006, 03:05 AM
As for the Buick vs BMW thing...

Buick has some nice cars now (Lucerne, Lacrosse)... but the LeSabre? vs a BMW? You have to be kidding.

If you think European cars are so ugly, then you must hate the new Buicks that finally don't look like Buicks.

gauchogolfer
May 3, 2006, 03:18 AM
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7870/ishackimage2gn.jpg

I win :)

groovebuster
May 3, 2006, 03:35 AM
I win :)
In what exactly? ;)

dpaanlka
May 3, 2006, 03:41 AM
I win :)

Only in your opinion.

If somebody gave me a free one of those, I would sell it, buy a nice luxury sedan, then buy a much faster and sexier highly modded Camaro, then use the rest of the money to pay for college, buy a new computer, pay for gas for both cars for a year, and invest in the stock market.

true777
May 3, 2006, 03:43 AM
Here are my two identical 2005 Mercedes C230 Kompressor Sports Coupes. Steel grey color - rare.

I got rid of one of them in the meantime, but still have the other.
Great car, absolutely love it, excellent gas mileage (regularly drive it at 30mpg), yet very zippy.

I'll probably trade up to a CLK 350 once I have a new job.

groovebuster
May 3, 2006, 03:46 AM
If somebody gave me a free one of those, I would sell it, buy a nice luxury sedan, then buy a much faster and sexier highly modded Camaro, then use the rest of the money to pay for college, buy a new computer, pay for gas for both cars for a year, and invest in the stock market.
I would do almost exactly the same... except for the Camaro... ;) And university is over for me since a long time, so I could spend the money for something else... :cool:

groovebuster

groovebuster
May 3, 2006, 03:48 AM
Here are my two identical 2005 Mercedes C230 Kompressor Sports Coupes. Steel grey color - rare.
Do you mind me asking what the point is in having two identical cars? You can only drive one at a time anyway... http://www.bmw-einzylinder.de/forum/Smileys/my/frage.gif

groovebuster

mpw
May 3, 2006, 03:55 AM
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7870/ishackimage2gn.jpg

I win :)
A pity you can't ***king park!:p

groovebuster
May 3, 2006, 04:01 AM
A pity you can't ***king park!:p
http://www.bmw-einzylinder.de/forum/Smileys/my/lool.gif http://www.bmw-einzylinder.de/forum/Smileys/my/hah.gif

groovebuster

gauchogolfer
May 3, 2006, 04:09 AM
In what exactly? ;)

Well, since this thread is basically a pissing contest, I figured I'd just post a picture of the most expensive car I could. I was in St. Tropez a while back and this car (registered in Monaco) was parked in the same lot as me. It's not mine.

A pity you can't ***king park!
The lot this car was parked in was cordoned off for a kart race, so the lines didn't really apply. Also, see above.

BTW, the red car to the right of the Enzo was this:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4917/ishackimage8at.jpg

I actually liked this one more.

groovebuster
May 3, 2006, 04:19 AM
I was in St. Tropez a while back and this car (registered in Monaco) was parked in the same lot as me. It's not mine.

Hey, on this picture I recognize the place. I parked on this lot myself once when I was in St. Tropez. :)

I figured out before that this isn't your car... ;) I noticed the red and white stickers and the Monaco license plate right away.

groovebuster

mpw
May 3, 2006, 04:24 AM
...The lot this car was parked in was cordoned off for a kart race, so the lines didn't really apply. Also, see above...
I was only kidding, I never thought it was your car.

As for the parking I still feel sad when you see people with expensive cars like the Enzo that don't like to risk using it as a car, whether the line-marking was in use or not there's still enough room to the side of the car to park a small Fiat.

My boss used to have an F40 and when he got it at least he drove it like it was meant to be driven (although he shouldn't have done so on the public road). He shared my attitude that a car is a car not jewelery and it didn't matter that it was a F40 or 2CV, both of which he drove, he treated them the same.

He even let me drive his Porsche, Bentley and Lancia Delta Intergrale (to name a few) when I'd just got my license at 17years old, sadly the F40 had been sold by then I think:(

gauchogolfer
May 3, 2006, 04:36 AM
I was only kidding, I never thought it was your car.
Darn sarcasm filters.... ;)


He even let me drive his Porsche, Bentley and Lancia Delta Intergrale (to name a few) when I'd just got my license at 17years old, sadly the F40 had been sold by then I think:(
When I worked at a golf course in Austin there was a guy who would drop off his car at the bag drop and give the attendant 50 bucks to top off the gas tank in whatever car he was driving, and the rest was the tip. I got to drive his Acura NSX, Ferrari Modena and F40, and a sweet MB 600 SLK. The tip didn't even matter; the 15 minute drive to the gas station was worth it.

Airforce
May 3, 2006, 04:44 AM
I would do almost exactly the same... except for the Camaro... ;) And university is over for me since a long time, so I could spend the money for something else... :cool:

groovebuster

Replace the camaro with the upcoming 2008 Corvette SS and I'd do the same :cool: 600+hp, decent gas mileage, and great looks. Oooh yea... Now that's a super car :p

true777
May 3, 2006, 05:01 AM
Do you mind me asking what the point is in having two identical cars? You can only drive one at a time anyway... http://www.bmw-einzylinder.de/forum/Smileys/my/frage.gif

groovebuster

Long story... ex boyfriend gave me first one; after breaking up I didn't want to keep it, but loved the car so much I got exact same one. Ex didn't need car #1 back for another 6 months, so I kept driving it (liked #1 better since it had panoramic sunroof; #2 doesn't).

It was fun though to choose one to drive everyday, and to have them both parked next to each other. Sometime I would take each to the car wash on the same day, and the people there thought I was nuts and was having the same car cleaned twice in one day.

Platform
May 3, 2006, 06:03 AM
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7870/ishackimage2gn.jpg

I win :)

Nahh....it's yellow....who wants a yellow Enzo ? :cool:

devilot
May 3, 2006, 09:07 AM
Long story... ex boyfriend gave me first one; after breaking up I didn't want to keep it, but loved the car so much I got exact same one. Ex didn't need car #1 back for another 6 months, so I kept driving it (liked #1 better since it had panoramic sunroof; #2 doesn't).Psh. Even if I didn't care about the sunroof, I would have kept driving his just to keep the mileage low on mine. :p

spinne1
May 3, 2006, 10:18 AM
You really don't know what you are talking about... These cars are great if you want to spend your money on other things than just the car. A car is not a status symbol by definition, even though it seems to be for you.If cars are a status symbol to me, then why do I drive a 14 year old car that cost me $1500 US (less than almost anyone pays here)? If cars were a status symbol, I would drive something trendy (like a Mini Cooper) versus something I happen to love (like my LeSabre).

Big cars of course look better in most cases, because you have more dough to play with design-wise and a too sophicticated design would be expenisive to build which would be a contradiction to the goal of building an affordable car.I understand your point, but I let others pay the $$$ and I buy them used when they are cheap.

When I talk of the small Euro cars that I don't like, I'm talking about cars like these:

http://www.rpiequipped.com/2/images/article/2002-04-ec-c7-lg.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/FiatYump1_SM.jpg

Our FIAT cinquecento is a really great car. Please keep in mind that 98% of the time just one or two people are in the car. So you drive around lots of metal and plastic for nothing.I don't know, grocery shopping, road trips, house supplies and group commutes are just a few reasons to need more space, all of which I use regularly.

Try to find a parking spot in Berlin with your fugly LeSabre (sorry, but I really don't get why you think that this car looks better than the small european cars you were bashing), I wish you good luck. ;) And your claim that a little car is uncomfortable just proves that you never sat in one, because it is not true. We were even going to Paris (from Berlin, two people) with it and it was a nice trip.The LeSabre looks great to me, which is the only person I can be worried about. As for parking in Berlin, I'm sure it would be tough because so many cars are small and therefore the spaces are probably painted smaller (the US parking space size has seemed to go down from what it was in the 60s and 70s). If I was there, I would probably have to have a smaller spare car for city trips or work commutes, even though I wouldn't like it. I have sat in many small cars and for me they are uncomfortable. I'm 6' 2 1/2" and around 200 lbs. Even with the seat back all the way it is often not enough in many smaller cars. The head room is sometimes to where my head is barely touching the headliner.

I know many people who have a small car now and if there is the need for a bigger car once in a while, they rent one. Overall it is still cheaper than buying a big one, considering all the extra money you have to spend for the bigger car (purchase, gasoline, repairs, insurance). You have to rent a car quite a few times before you reach the break-even...
Renting is not really an option is the US. It is expensive for a large car (about $40-$60 a day), and buying a used large car is very affordable here. The repair costs are not different based on the size of the car here, but rather the cost and/or the availability of the parts and the expertise of mechanics in this area for a particular brand of car. As for gasoline, yes you pay more for a bigger car, but it is not THAT bad. My LeSabre gets about 24 mpg on average (30 on freeway trips). Most smaller cars here get about 30-35 mpg on average (unless they are hybrids or rare gas-saving type cars, like the smallest Hondas). Yes, gas costs more, but not a crippling amount more. Insurance is more based on if the car is worth more (so an old LeSabre is cheap to insure), and if the car is on average in more wrecks than other cars (the LeSabre is in less wrecks than average).

And last time I checked you had a speed limit in the US even on the highways... so top speed shouldn't be concern for you anyway, right?It isn't. I have never pushed my car to its top speed, although it gets up to 90 very smoothly and feels like it is not even working yet.

So what is it then?Personal taste.Protection? Most of the little european cars do way better than most of the US brand cars...I would rather be in this in a wreck http://www.yankton.net/townandcountry/92lesabrebronze.gif than this http://www.arac.com/images/cars/malta/mcmn.gif

A standard transmission has a lot of advantages. Besides saving gas it is better for the occasional sporty driving. I suppose you don't know how to use one? That's why you are bashing it... I always prefer a standard transmisson and I never had problems with my "radio-hand"...You suppose wrong. I learned to drive stick on a very temperamental mid-70s VW bug with a clutch sweet spot of about 5 mm. It was very hard to learn on because it stalled so easy unless you very slowly released the clutch within those 5 mm of play. I eventually got good at it. Going to a regular stick like my parents' 1985 Toyota Tercel wagon was very easy. I just don't like to have to shift. If others prefer a stick, great.

PS This is one of the coolest cars I have ever seen. It was not a production vehicle, but I wish it had been (it is a 1950 Buick LeSabre concept car):
http://www.madle.org/elesabre.htm

mpw
May 3, 2006, 11:07 AM
First up I'm not arguing with you and defend your right to choose a car that's right for you where you live.

...When I talk of the small Euro cars that I don't like, I'm talking about cars like these:

http://www.rpiequipped.com/2/images/article/2002-04-ec-c7-lg.jpg...
That Golf must be at least 10years old and the FIAT's probably near 20years old.
...As for parking in Berlin, I'm sure it would be tough because so many cars are small and therefore the spaces are probably painted smaller...
Standard spaces here would be 4.9m long and Buick Lucerne is 5.16m long a UK Ford Focus is 4.3m long...I have sat in many small cars and for me they are uncomfortable... ...The head room is sometimes to where my head is barely touching the headliner.
Buick Lucerne headroom = 100cm legroom = 108cm
UK Ford Focus headroom = 100cm legroom = 111cm

The bigger cars available in the US are often, not always, examples of poor packaging the extra space is often in the trunk or under the hood cabin space is rarly sacrificed in ‘small’ European cars.

The Focus, other cars in this class, are the big sellers in Europe because they offer good space in a small package, European streets are simply smaller than US.

…Personal taste.I would rather be in this in a wreck http://www.yankton.net/townandcountry/92lesabrebronze.gif than this http://www.arac.com/images/cars/malta/mcmn.gif…
That Subaru is Japanese not European.

chriswan
May 3, 2006, 11:22 AM
I really like your car! Is it the 250 or 350? I'm in the market, I was thinking this, or a Mercedes... obviously you like the lexus better, what made you like it over anything else? driving thoughts? THANKS

edit... you clearly have the GS, not the IS as I was thinking... still nice tho

Yeah I have the GS300. It's a decent car. Rides smoothly. I guess my only gripe is that the suspension is too soft and steering wheel isn't responsive enough. Ive driven the IS250, but never the IS350...and the IS250 is under powered if you are looking for a sports car. In terms of the interior..it's nice inside and comfy. The BMW 530i is a good car that handles well. In terms of mercedes I will only like the E55 but I am too poor to afford that right now. :confused: :(

®îçhå®?
May 3, 2006, 12:00 PM
American cars are so ugly (apart from the Dodge viper and the Corvette). As well as this, don't any of you have any cares that theclimate is changing because of co2 emissions??? At least get a fuel economic car.

I know some Americans do not need to listen but the majority do

spinne1
May 3, 2006, 12:08 PM
That Golf must be at least 10years old and the FIAT's probably near 20years old.When I watch the World's Worst Drivers or World's Wildest Police Chases and they show European clips, the mass majority of cars look like those.

Buick Lucerne headroom = 100cm legroom = 108cm
UK Ford Focus headroom = 100cm legroom = 111cm

Point taken. The Focus gets it right. Maybe many more are in the same boat. Maybe cars are now almost uniformly roomy inside. I am not really sure because I haven't been inside a new small car lately. Having a large trunk is not wasted space however, especially if you use it. And having extra space under the hood does wonders for the ease of working on a car. I appreciate that as I do all my own mechanical work.

That Subaru is Japanese not European. True, but the point of comparison for this example was the size of the car, not the origin (they make very small cars in the US as well, and I don't want to drive one of them either).

jaydub
May 3, 2006, 12:14 PM
Beautiful Mk2!
http://www.rpiequipped.com/2/images/article/2002-04-ec-c7-lg.jpg

Anyway, my car is this:

http://static.flickr.com/46/135981088_b131f1379c.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/55/135980892_3497bc1dd6.jpg

spinne1
May 3, 2006, 12:16 PM
American cars are so ugly (apart from the Dodge viper and the Corvette). As well as this, don't any of you have any cares that theclimate is changing because of co2 emissions??? At least get a fuel economic car.

I know some Americans do not need to listen but the majority do

There is conflicting and perhaps even non-existent evidence that the co2 emissions are harming the climate. Read this interview:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18881

But as for using less gas, we should do all we can to conserve. But this does not mean driving a small car that doesn't meet our tastes or needs. It does mean that some very rich people need to be developing alternate fuel sources that are plentiful, not harmful, and inexpensive until a better solution to the automobile is perfected. It will take big money to fight the power of big oil and gas and auto companies whose financial stake is driven into our present system of consumption.

truz
May 3, 2006, 04:43 PM
2002 Ford F-150 Crew Cab XLT Fx4, rear end lowered (stock block dropped) front end lifted to lose the nose dive ford f150's have.

http://www.macovation.com/dump/neuman/truck1.png

Sogo
May 3, 2006, 04:44 PM
Hey guys, I just recieved an Infinity G35 coup. Ill post pictures later, but i want to ask you guys something. I have always wanted to put the apple sticker on the car. At the momment I don't know if I should put it on the bottom right or the top left of the rear window. what do you guys think? Oh, i should menion that it has a wing, or spoiler...tail?...whatever it's called.

Also, I've had a bumber sticker that says something along the lines of "It will be a great day when our school recieve all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber."

Now I wasnt expecting to get such a nice car, so at the momment I don't want to "deface" it with a bumber sticker, aside from the apple. Should I just forget my worries and put the sticker on?

Anonymous Freak
May 3, 2006, 05:11 PM
Hey guys, I just recieved an Infinity G35 coup. Ill post pictures later, but i want to ask you guys something. I have always wanted to put the apple sticker on the car. At the momment I don't know if I should put it on the bottom right or the top left of the rear window. what do you guys think? Oh, i should menion that it has a wing, or spoiler...tail?...whatever it's called.

Also, I've had a bumber sticker that says something along the lines of "It will be a great day when our school recieve all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber."

Now I wasnt expecting to get such a nice car, so at the momment I don't want to "deface" it with a bumber sticker, aside from the apple. Should I just forget my worries and put the sticker on?

Well, you could go for an Apple 'slicker', the kind that goes on the interior of the back window, with the 'front' side facing out, and can easily be removed.

As for what the thing on the back is called? It's a spoiler if air doesn't flow under it, a wing if it does. (So the big things raised three feet over the top are technically 'ugly', er... 'wings', while the little ones that just jut up from the rear deck are 'spoilers'.) I also find it funny when you see huge wings on front wheel drive vehicles. You know that makes your car have WORSE performance, right? You need a FRONT spoiler on a front wheel drive car! (Just as bad as oversize wheels/tires only on the rear on a front wheel drive.)

As for my cars? Well, right now we're in the process of selling our '99 Hyundai Accent and our '94 Ford Explorer because we got a '98 Subaru Forester to replace both. We also have an '04 Toyota Prius. Sorry, my sports car days are over. (Unless I win the lottery.) In the past, I have owned a '69 Alfa Romeo Spider (was halfway through rebuilding it when I got tired and gave up. I was undriveable when I got it, and just barely driveable when I got rid of it,) and a 1994 Ford Escort GT, (a truly decieving little beast. More power than the stock '94 Mustang thanks to its Mazda engine,) that died on the freeway in college.

Sogo
May 3, 2006, 05:24 PM
Oh I see, I didn't know that there was a difference. Well, its a spoiler by the way you explain it. The salesman said the car was rear wheel drive. But I have never been much of a car person. So what effect would the spoiler have on a rear wheel drive?

Thanks for the explination. Now i know...And knowing is half the battle. [/corny line]

mpw
May 3, 2006, 05:46 PM
Oh I see, I didn't know that there was a difference. Well, its a spoiler by the way you explain it. The salesman said the car was rear wheel drive. But I have never been much of a car person. So what effect would the spoiler have on a rear wheel drive?

Thanks for the explination. Now i know...And knowing is half the battle. [/corny line]
I'm amazed anyone can buy a car without knowing whether it's FWD/RWD/AWD without checking with a salesman. The briefest of test drives should tell you that.

Basically the rear spoiler or wing exerts pressure when air passes over it a speed over the rear of the car pushing the tyres into the road for better traction. Wings/spoilers do not give a higher top speed but in fact lower it due to drag. Some very high performance cars have variable aerodynamics where a spoiler or wing is moved into optimum position for stability at speed when the car hits a certain speed and lowers when not needed at slower speeds.

marchcapital
May 3, 2006, 07:43 PM
Only in your opinion.

If somebody gave me a free one of those, I would sell it, buy a nice luxury sedan, then buy a much faster and sexier highly modded Camaro, then use the rest of the money to pay for college, buy a new computer, pay for gas for both cars for a year, and invest in the stock market.

LMAO!!!

dpaanlka
May 3, 2006, 07:51 PM
I have never been much of a car person.

Sounds like a typical Infiniti driver. The G35 is very nice, but not really a enthusiast's car.

Jay42
May 3, 2006, 08:04 PM
then buy a much faster and sexier highly modded Camaro

Ok, good luck with that.

puckhead193
May 3, 2006, 08:26 PM
Here's a picture of my car...or atleast inside of the car. I took the pic on the way to work...was a little bored and had my camera.

what color did u get the exterior. I love the red it comes in... I hope to get a GS400 H in red with black interior:D
How much do u love having navigation? i have it on my ES and it awesome...
"You have arrived at your destination, your route guidance is now over"

dpaanlka
May 3, 2006, 08:36 PM
Ok, good luck with that.

Why, they're quite common.

I'd say 30 grand would get me a nicely restored Camaro that runs 9 second quarter miles. Look up the quarter mile for that ugly overpriced yellow thing and you'll be sorely dissapointed.

The only other car I would want in my garage next to that Camaro would be a 2006 SAAB 9-5 Aero. So thats about anohter 40 grand. So like 70 grand for two cars that I would much rather have than that yellow enzo.

You lexus drivers do realize your driving Toyota avalons right. Just so long as you're aware of that.

cheekyspanky
May 3, 2006, 08:50 PM
I'd say 30 grand would get me a nicely restored Camaro that runs 9 second quarter miles. Look up the quarter mile for that ugly overpriced yellow thing and you'll be sorely dissapointed..

Hmm...not totally convinced there, http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=627&page_number=5

"Zero to 60 mph: 3.3 seconds.

Quarter-mile run: 11.1 sec. at 133.0 mph.

Unbelievable.

The Enzo has just recorded the best Road & Track acceleration run ever for a road car"

spinne1
May 3, 2006, 09:18 PM
Why, they're quite common.

I'd say 30 grand would get me a nicely restored Camaro that runs 9 second quarter miles. Look up the quarter mile for that ugly overpriced yellow thing and you'll be sorely dissapointed.

The only other car I would want in my garage next to that Camaro would be a 2006 SAAB 9-5 Aero. So thats about anohter 40 grand. So like 70 grand for two cars that I would much rather have than that yellow enzo.

You lexus drivers do realize your driving Toyota avalons right. Just so long as you're aware of that.

Many, many souped up cars that are built for drag racing do not do 9 second quarter miles. You have to build a Super Stock to do it most likely, at which point is it really a "car" anymore? (or just a drag racer)

kjr39
May 3, 2006, 09:22 PM
Good luck cornering on that 9-second Camaro of yours. The quarter, a race car does not make.

The Enzo is the one of the ugliest damn cars I've ever seen.

Give me a C6 Z06 and just ship it direct to Lingenfelter and let them play. Good luck touching it with.....pert near anything...

FWIW, I drive an '06 CTS-V. I'll post pics later.

dpaanlka
May 3, 2006, 09:39 PM
Hmm...not totally convinced there

Are you trying to say you don't believe theres plenty Camaros that would murder that Enzo in the quarter mile? 11.1 second quarter mile is really fast, but theres lots and lots of cars that can easily top that. Even (pleh) Civics. Pick up any issue of SuperStreet magazine and you'll find no Enzos.

Also, I don't care about cornering in a Camaro. A Camaro is for looks and power at a cheap price. I owned a Camaro, and I am well aware of how badly it handled. But I still loved it. If I could have both my old Camaro and my current SAAB, I would. But since I can't, I picked the car that is more driveable.

I also didn't say anything about racing. Just raw power, or refined luxury. Those are my two ideal car types. I don't care for Corvettes either. Too "european" looking. I like my muscle cars to be American and brawny.

And whoever owns that Buick LeSabre, you obviously have never driven a BMW or Mercedes or Volvo or SAAB or Infinity or Lexus.... or any other car that is better. Clearly you've never even seen a current Buick Lacrosse or Lucerne. These have to be the best Buicks Buick has made in the last 20 years.... because they dont look like (or drive like) your LeSabre!

Airforce
May 3, 2006, 09:56 PM
Good luck cornering on that 9-second Camaro of yours. The quarter, a race car does not make.

The Enzo is the one of the ugliest damn cars I've ever seen.

Give me a C6 Z06 and just ship it direct to Lingenfelter and let them play. Good luck touching it with.....pert near anything...

FWIW, I drive an '06 CTS-V. I'll post pics later.

Have you heard the rumors about the upcoming 2008 Corvette SS? Chevy has confirmed that it will be coming out, but specifics aren't known yet. Most are thinking 600+ horsepower. It's going to be one hard to beat car, at any price, that's for sure.

kjr39
May 3, 2006, 10:11 PM
Have you heard the rumors about the upcoming 2008 Corvette SS? Chevy has confirmed that it will be coming out, but specifics aren't known yet. Most are thinking 600+ horsepower. It's going to be one hard to beat car, at any price, that's for sure.

I have. Rumors out about the LS7 is that they are just scratching the surface. I was reading the other day that tuners are figuring to get 30-40HP out of a new tune and some headers... Pretty damn impressive. (I'm hoping that the rumors are true about putting an LS7 in a V before the body redesign cause if they do, I'm upgrading!)

And, which european car does the c6 vette look like? Yeah, it doesn't have pop-up headlights, but the round tail lights are back and looking fantastic.

But, calling a Saab refined? Really... Okay....

West La
May 3, 2006, 10:26 PM
soon to be replced with an RS4

leftfoot
May 3, 2006, 10:32 PM
soon to be replced with an RS4

PLEASE post pics of the RS4 when you get it, its a damn sexy car.


What color are you going to get?

dpaanlka
May 3, 2006, 11:53 PM
But, calling a Saab refined? Really... Okay....

I'll safely assume you've never been in a SAAB, especially a recent one.

EDIT: The 9-2 Subaru doesn't count. It is 100% unrefined WRX and thankfully is slated for cancellation due to horrendous sales.

Heb1228
May 3, 2006, 11:55 PM
Here's mine... only had it for about 2 weeks...

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f199/Heb1228/Caddy/DSC02156.jpg

dpaanlka
May 3, 2006, 11:56 PM
Please say thats a STS. Those older STSs are hot.

quagmire
May 4, 2006, 12:13 AM
I'll safely assume you've never been in a SAAB, especially a recent one.

EDIT: The 9-2 Subaru doesn't count. It is 100% unrefined WRX and thankfully is slated for cancellation due to horrendous sales.

Also due to the sale of the stock GM had in Subaru. But, don't be surprised to see the 9-2 nameplate brought back that is 100% Saab. As for the Corvette Sting Ray( or SS, but I prefer Sting Ray), they already confirmed 600+ HP. They just need a way to get it to the ground. Rumors are a Supercharged LS7 or an all new LS9 powerplant. Let me say this. With a rumored price of $100K and with 600+ ponies, I don't know why when someone is looking at a car in the $100K + price range for pure performance, they would not choose the Vette Sting Ray.

dpaanlka
May 4, 2006, 12:16 AM
But, don't be surprised to see the 9-2 nameplate brought back that is 100% Saab.

This is true. I doubt it though the 9-3 is already small enough.

BTW, it was slated for cancellation before GM sold Subaru to Toyota... due to absolutley horrendous sales. That car didn't fool anybody.

Heb1228
May 4, 2006, 12:17 AM
Please say thats a STS. Those older STSs are hot.
Nah its the regular SLS. Only 275 as opposed to 300 hp. From what I hear the ride is smoother though so I'm ok with it. Its still pretty fast. I've left several 'pimped' eclipses and civics in the dust :D They get mad they just got beat by a 'grandma' car.

dpaanlka
May 4, 2006, 12:20 AM
Nah its the regular SLS. Only 275 as opposed to 300 hp. From what I hear the ride is smoother though so I'm ok with it. Its still pretty fast. I've left several 'pimped' eclipses and civics in the dust :D They get mad they just got beat by a 'grandma' car.

I think it was the torque that really set the STS apart.

quagmire
May 4, 2006, 12:27 AM
This is true. I doubt it though the 9-3 is already small enough.

BTW, it was slated for cancellation before GM sold Subaru to Toyota... due to absolutley horrendous sales. That car didn't fool anybody.

Well if the 9-2 does come back it will be under the Delta platform which underpins the Cobalt, HHR, and Ion(slated for death by next year to be replaced by an Opel Astra rebadge most likely). I really do love the Saab Aero-X Concept. That thing is hot. Rumors say it is slated for production under the Kappa platform that underpins the Solstice and Sky. Too bad that canopy won't make it for the production version. Saab just lost a sale since it doesn't have it. :p ;)

http://www.carpages.co.uk/saab/saab_images/saab_aero_x_01_03_06.jpg

http://auto.tom.com/img/assets/200603/0603021407042.jpg

dpaanlka
May 4, 2006, 12:28 AM
It would be great for SAAB if they brought back the Sonnet name.

Platform
May 4, 2006, 08:38 AM
soon to be replced with an RS4

Replacing the M3 for an RS4 :confused: :eek:

You must be :confused: :confused: ......I don't know......

radiantm3
May 4, 2006, 01:42 PM
Replacing the M3 for an RS4 :confused: :eek:

You must be :confused: :confused: ......I don't know......
Probably because it's faster in a straight line. Where I live, everyone owns a bmw and M3's are almost a dime a dozen. If I were to choose between the 2, I'd probably strongly consider an RS4 as well just to be different.

sonictruth
May 4, 2006, 02:09 PM
While I would take the design of any Saab any day, I have nothing but absolute respect for Subaru's value/performance/safety compared to almost any other car mfr. I bought a new car this past September (2006 Impreza Outback Sport), and even though every prior car I've purchased was a Subaru, I've never particularly liked any of their appearances, other than my very first one (1982 GL wagon). Subaru cannot design - it's that simple. The new Outbacks (2005 model +) are the best shot they've taken, and that's not great.

Enough background; to the point. When shopping, I wanted to buy the Saabaru 9-2x given its slightly better design, sound dampening, and (a few) better interior materials. Totally sold out. Everywhere. Couldn't get a manual transmission from any dealership between Maine and North Carolina (live in Pennsylvania). They weren't poor sellers - they just didn't produce enough of them.

Even better, since the 2006's are now available, try to buy one with GM's hyper-deep discounting. You get a higher-end Saabaru WRX for less than the actual Subaru WRX costs.

A Subaru will never be my dream car, but I firmly believe that AWD is the best safety feature of all, and with Subarus, you can tell when driving/cornering/etc. (It's not just a 'add traction to the rear when the car's slipping.' It's more like the traction is always spread where it's functional.) Kicks VW 4motion/Audi quattro, any SUV, any american AWD/4WD into last decade. Ugly cars, but I still gush.

dpaanlka
May 4, 2006, 05:01 PM
You're right... they're only making a very few, because very few want them.

Check the sales numbers on those 9-2s. People who buy SAABs generally want a SAAB, and can tell right away that the 9-2 is not.

You're possibly the first person I've ever heard of that actually wants one. Talk to any dealership manager and they'll tell you how few they want on their lots because they know they wont sell.

Jay42
May 4, 2006, 05:07 PM
Replacing the M3 for an RS4 :confused: :eek:

You must be :confused: :confused: ......I don't know......

Must be what? Car and Driver liked the Audi better. There was an article a while back entitle "righteous RS4," I don't recall the issue date. Now arguing the price difference is one thing, but it would be hard to convince me the BMW performs better.

By the way, West LA, nice choice. I've only driven the car once but the sound when you open up the exhaust was purely addictive.

radiantm3
May 4, 2006, 05:26 PM
Must be what? Car and Driver liked the Audi better. There was an article a while back entitle "righteous RS4," I don't recall the issue date. Now arguing the price difference is one thing, but it would be hard to convince me the BMW performs better.

By the way, West LA, nice choice. I've only driven the car once but the sound when you open up the exhaust was purely addictive.

I personally don't trust reviews in american automobile publications. For example, Chrysler has won many car of the year awards for their last few cars while the European auto magazines gave them all mediocre reviews. To generalize, americans tend to like long straight roads, while europeans like tight curvy roads. And automobile magazine reviews tend to reflect that notion.

My favorite show is Top Gear (from BBC) and I tend to see their point of view when it comes to american cars. :D

BTW, the latest episode of Fifth Gear had a head to head competition between the M3 CSL and the RS4. I believe the RS4 was faster around the track, but the M3 was much more fun to drive (RWD is always more fun than AWD).

Platform
May 4, 2006, 06:09 PM
Must be what? Car and Driver liked the Audi better. There was an article a while back entitle "righteous RS4," I don't recall the issue date. Now arguing the price difference is one thing, but it would be hard to convince me the BMW performs better.

By the way, West LA, nice choice. I've only driven the car once but the sound when you open up the exhaust was purely addictive.

Not just thinking about performance, but the experience of the car, yes the Audi has great performance etc. But where is the history, spirit ?

Also the Audi uses turbos...the BMW breathes naturally...

Well anyway that just my opinion ;)

rickvanr
May 4, 2006, 09:06 PM
Not just thinking about performance, but the experience of the car, yes the Audi has great performance etc. But where is the history, spirit ?

Also the Audi uses turbos...the BMW breathes naturally...

Well anyway that just my opinion ;)

Audi has a very long history with Quattro, which is what the RS4 is based on. Rally spirit. It just depends what crowd you're with. I give respect where respect is due, BMW makes an awesome car, but I'd take an Audi first.

Afro1989
May 4, 2006, 09:09 PM
My 1987 Buick Grand National.

Click (http://www.buickstreet.com/images/richs-87gn-main.jpg)

mpw
May 4, 2006, 09:09 PM
...But where is the history, spirit ?...
Audi automotive history can be traced back far further than BMW's, and using turbos isn't necessarily a bad thing BMW will use turbos in the next gen M3.

spinne1
May 4, 2006, 11:14 PM
My 1987 Buick Grand National.

Click (http://www.buickstreet.com/images/richs-87gn-main.jpg)

Those were an awesome car, especially the rare GTX. My best friend had a 1986 T-type (basically the same car as the Grand National without the all-black) that I drove a few times. It was a sweet car to drive.

Dr_Maybe
May 5, 2006, 12:13 PM
Not just thinking about performance, but the experience of the car, yes the Audi has great performance etc. But where is the history, spirit ?

Here's some history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Union
http://www.audi.com/audi/com/en1/company/history/motorsport_highlights.html

I think both Audi and BMW make some nice cars. The M5 and Audi RS4, RS6 for instance. But for the racing spirit, design and sound i would go to italian brands like Alfa and Ferrari.

And for the US cars vs European cars*. European cars are better, there's not much reason to discuss that. But US cars are often cheaper. You get a lot of bang for the buck. For intance, the Chrysler 300M looks a bit like the new Bentleys. Of course the Bentley is alot more expensive.

In the Corvette you get a lot of horse power for the price. But they are using leaf springs for supensions. The same tech used in horse carriages since the middle ages. The body is made of plastic. I'd rather have a Porsche or Ferrari, but of course those are more expensive.

Cadillac are openly striving to be up to par with Audi for interior quality.

*) I also consider a car like the Ford Focus sold in a "European" car. It was made for Europe and sold in Europe first, has italian styling. The ones sold in the US are different from those sold in Europe.

dpaanlka
May 5, 2006, 12:52 PM
Cadillac are openly striving to be up to par with Audi for interior quality.

I would have said BMW. Most people think of BMW first, not Audi.

Audi has one glaring problem IMHO... their cars are rather boring looking compared to BMW. They all just look like expensive Volkswagens. Wait, thats because they are.

Airforce
May 5, 2006, 01:46 PM
I would have said BMW. Most people think of BMW first, not Audi.

Audi has one glaring problem IMHO... their cars are rather boring looking compared to BMW. They all just look like expensive Volkswagens. Wait, thats because they are.

I have the exact opposite thinking on what you just said. I've never really liked the style of BMWs. It might be because everyone and their mother has one, but they just don't appeal to me.

Dr_Maybe
May 5, 2006, 02:27 PM
I would have said BMW. Most people think of BMW first, not Audi.

Audi has one glaring problem IMHO... their cars are rather boring looking compared to BMW. They all just look like expensive Volkswagens. Wait, thats because they are.

This article says that a VP in GM made the Escalade design team sit in a 2002 Audi A6 and experience the interior. That was what I was referring to.
http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2006/03/24/cadillac-escalade-gm-cx_dl_0327feat.html

Yeah, Audi's look subtle, but I like that. For instance, I think the RS6 is awesome because the subtle looks make it a sleeper.

Bentleys are expensive VWs. Lamborghinis are expensive Audis. That's the way it is. Engines and platforms are shared, but the cars are still different.

dpaanlka
May 5, 2006, 04:06 PM
Bentleys are expensive VWs. Lamborghinis are expensive Audis. That's the way it is. Engines and platforms are shared, but the cars are still different.

But Audi takes it a step further.

Audis look literally identical to Volkswagens. Many of them are quite literally Volkswagens with Audi logos on them.

A BMW may look tiring after seeing it all over the place, that's why I bought a Saab. But a BMW still looks better than an Audi.

A Saab 9-5, Cadillac STS, Buick Lucerne, BMW 750, Mercedes S500, and Volvo S60 do not look visually the same as any other car on the road.

xper
May 5, 2006, 04:34 PM
Audis look literally identical to Volkswagens. Many of them are quite literally Volkswagens with Audi logos on them.
Maybe you should invest in a pair of glasses?
But anyway, why do you blame Audi? Why dont you blame VW for rippin of Audi instead?

mfacey
May 5, 2006, 05:00 PM
You're right... they're only making a very few, because very few want them.

Check the sales numbers on those 9-2s. People who buy SAABs generally want a SAAB, and can tell right away that the 9-2 is not.

You're possibly the first person I've ever heard of that actually wants one. Talk to any dealership manager and they'll tell you how few they want on their lots because they know they wont sell.


My dad got a Saab 92x Aero quite soon after it came out in 2005 ( I believe). As far as I know he's quite pleased with it. THe exterior is more appealing than the equivilant Subaru Impreza WRX, but the performance is on par. What's also great is that almost all the aftermarket turning equipment for the WRX also fits the 92x Aero. So needless to say, my dad's saab is pretty darn quick :-)
I can imagine its not a car that's going to last long. You don't see a lot. It's really a niche car. Even so. It's rare, so that makes it even more fun!

fowler.
May 5, 2006, 05:51 PM
old picture, back in my rice rocket days..

http://fowler.roccotea.com/images/oldoldcivic.jpg

rickvanr
May 5, 2006, 11:22 PM
Maybe you should invest in a pair of glasses?
But anyway, why do you blame Audi? Why dont you blame VW for rippin of Audi instead?

VW - Audi - Porsche

They're all one company, but NO they are not simply re-badged. You're thinking Toyota - Lexus, Honda - Acura, etc.

mad jew
May 5, 2006, 11:24 PM
Pretty sure Porsche is independent. :)

I could be wrong but the Volkswagen Group shares its platforms among Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti, SEAT, Skoda, VW and Audi (not so much the first two, although they are part of VW Group) although this isn't quite the same as re-badging. Nevertheless, a lot of their cars share a large proportion of their parts.