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ericschmerick
Mar 8, 2005, 12:58 AM
I've been staring at the Apple 23 inch display for a long time, and comparing it to the HP, Sony, and Samsung, when suddenly Dell announced and launched their $1200 24 inch 1920x1200 display! I ordered one the moment it was available (1st of March), and received it today. Work BEAUTIFULLY with my powerbook 1.25 15 inch. No dead pixels, fabulous screen quality. Good colors out of the box, though even better after I calibrated.

If you've been holding off on the 24 inch screens, I'd strongly recommend a look at the Dell.

Take Care,
Eric
http://www.ime3.com/

wkw
Mar 8, 2005, 02:23 AM
are you having any shutdown problems? I read that someone was having a problem with their dell 20" lcd. when they shut down their mac the monitor was instantly turning their mac back on. something about the the monitor sending power back throught the usb connnection that sent a power on signal back to the mac.

bill

Abstract
Mar 8, 2005, 04:49 AM
Well, Dell does make better monitors than Apple, so I guess you made a good choice. And you saved some cash money and got an extra inch. :)

zyuzin4
Mar 8, 2005, 05:29 AM
are you having any shutdown problems? I read that someone was having a problem with their dell 20" lcd. when they shut down their mac the monitor was instantly turning their mac back on. something about the the monitor sending power back throught the usb connnection that sent a power on signal back to the mac.

bill

not having that problem with my 20" and my USB is plugged in.

Passante
Mar 8, 2005, 05:37 AM
I've been staring at the Apple 23 inch display for a long time, and comparing it to the HP, Sony, and Samsung, when suddenly Dell announced and launched their $1200 24 inch 1920x1200 display! I ordered one the moment it was available (1st of March), and received it today. Work BEAUTIFULLY with my powerbook 1.25 15 inch. No dead pixels, fabulous screen quality. Good colors out of the box, though even better after I calibrated.

If you've been holding off on the 24 inch screens, I'd strongly recommend a look at the Dell.

Take Care,
Eric
http://www.ime3.com/

I look at my 19 inch crt and sigh... oh, the pain, the pain... :(

combatcolin
Mar 8, 2005, 06:02 AM
What aboutme with an old 15" Packard Bell CRT??

:(

Still no UK price on these bad boys.

Wait and see.

ericschmerick
Mar 8, 2005, 11:55 PM
No shutdown problems in terms of just letting the computer go to sleep. Mine sleeps just fine. The only issue I have with it is that it did something weird this morning when I tried to "undock" it to go to work. Usually I unplus power, then the USB cable (that has kb/mouse on it), and the PB instantly goes to sleep. This morning, it refused to sleep, refused to turn the external display off, and refused to recognize the kb/mouse even when plugged back in. I finally had to hard-reboot the PB.

I found that turning off the monitor before removing the PB from it is best. That seems to work just as I'd expect (as soon as power is removed, PB goes to sleep).

http://www.ime3.com/
Eric

Solanio
Mar 11, 2005, 12:13 PM
fyi: I had this problem; the fix was to bypass my Dr. Bott monoswitch and connect the new G5 directly to the DVI port on the monitor. The other computers still go through the switch to the analog connection.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86219

walkerIV
Mar 12, 2005, 10:07 AM
Are the monitor controls grayed out when you plug your pb into it?
I recall reading somewhere that Dell controls became disabled when connected to a Mac on the FP2005W. Wonder if the behavior remains with this model.

anthonymoody
Mar 15, 2005, 09:09 AM
I use my 2405 with my mini and it's absolutely positively phenomenal. The best thing I did since switching!

Highly recommended.

TM

fowler.
Mar 15, 2005, 10:01 AM
I'm getting one of these in the next few days, I was wondering what we can do about the rotating screen. Is the software out there for that?

minesgeek
Mar 23, 2005, 04:53 PM
alright, so people are talking about this monitor with pb's. do they support the highest resolution 1920x1200? i have a rev c 12" pb and was interested. i know that the specs on the card state that it supports a higher resolution but it is at a different aspect ratio (1.333 vs 1.6). on the dell website, it says that the vid card wouldn't power it (NVIDIA GeForce FX Go 5200 | No).

does this mean that it won't support full res or what?

wkw
Mar 23, 2005, 05:39 PM
alright, so people are talking about this monitor with pb's. do they support the highest resolution 1920x1200? i have a rev c 12" pb and was interested. i know that the specs on the card state that it supports a higher resolution but it is at a different aspect ratio (1.333 vs 1.6). on the dell website, it says that the vid card wouldn't power it (NVIDIA GeForce FX Go 5200 | No).

does this mean that it won't support full res or what?


I just got one of these monitors yesterday and it works great with my 17" powerbook 1.67. 1920x1200 is fully supported.


bill

amoildani
Mar 23, 2005, 06:03 PM
this really is an amazing screen, i got mine (for $850 too!) and its just amazing. No regrets whatsoever, if you can afford one, get it

minesgeek
Mar 23, 2005, 06:05 PM
I just got one of these monitors yesterday and it works great with my 17" powerbook 1.67. 1920x1200 is fully supported.


billwhich video card are you using?

wkw
Mar 23, 2005, 06:47 PM
which video card are you using?


My powerbook has the ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 128mb video card.

if your 12" pb will support an apple 23" monitor then I bet it would support the Dell 24" as well, they both use the same resolution

minesgeek
Mar 23, 2005, 06:53 PM
My powerbook has the ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 128mb video card.

if your 12" pb will support an apple 23" monitor then I bet it would support the Dell 24" as well, they both use the same resolutionthat is what i am betting as well but i am looking to see if someone has some experience with pb with my card...the 64mg GeForce FX Go5200

CanadaRAM
Mar 23, 2005, 07:11 PM
I just got one of these monitors yesterday and it works great with my 17" powerbook 1.67. 1920x1200 is fully supported.
bill
On the Dell 2005FPW 20" unit the native resolution is 1680 x 1050, and that's where you'll get the best sharpness for that model.

PS. The 1680 resolution is supported by a 32 MB ATI Radeon 7000 PCI under OS 9.2.1 on a beige G3, so it's pretty hopeful for any newer ATI based video, and probably on nVidea units of 32 Mb and higher too. Haven't tried pushing it higher.

Thanks
Trevor
CanadaRAM.com

minesgeek
Mar 26, 2005, 12:54 PM
that is what i am betting as well but i am looking to see if someone has some experience with pb with my card...the 64mg GeForce FX Go5200so does anyone have the GeForce FX hooked up to a dell 24" widescreen, and if so, what resolutions are supported? Does it power that display well or is it sluggish?

dongmin
Mar 26, 2005, 02:15 PM
this really is an amazing screen, i got mine (for $850 too!) and its just amazing. No regrets whatsoever, if you can afford one, get it$850!?! That's outrageous. Can you tell us where you got that deal?

clayj
Mar 26, 2005, 02:31 PM
$850!?! That's outrageous. Can you tell us where you got that deal?Take a look at this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=115895). The deal in question may no longer be valid.

SPUY767
Mar 26, 2005, 03:35 PM
Dell does not make better monitors than apple. If anything, they make comparable quality. Dell does not make monitors, they make shiny bits to stick on the side of the monitors to make it look like they made it. It's all usually korean parts these days. Several months back, apple's LCD supplier was Japanese, a big jump in quality over Korean, but who knows now. Anyway.

Mav451
Mar 26, 2005, 03:43 PM
Lol Korean quality is bad?

Apparently you have never heard of Samsung LCDs (even though they take a big chunk of the market). Or Samsung TCCD (RAM)? It takes a HIGH quality manufacturer to make RAM that all the major brands use (Corsair, G.Skill, Geil, Kingston, OCZ, etc.)

Ever heard of "LG" panels? Tons of LCD manufacturers use that panel in their LCDs. Guess who makes it? That's rite. A Korean company.

weldon
Mar 26, 2005, 05:46 PM
Dell does not make better monitors than apple. If anything, they make comparable quality. Dell does not make monitors, they make shiny bits to stick on the side of the monitors to make it look like they made it.
By that logic, Apple doesn't make monitors. Maybe they don't make computers either since they take parts (CPU, GPU, RAM, HD, optical drive, etc.) and make fancy boxes for the parts to go in.

Anyways, I feel like you're trying to make a declaration of faith that no Dell product could ever be better than an Apple product. It seems kinda silly. Let's compare the two on specs alone...

Apple 23"
$1800
1920x1200
600:1 contrast
16ms response
270cd/m2 brightness
.258mm pitch
DVI-D input
2 USB 2.0, 2 Firewire 400 ports
VESA mount

Dell 24"
$1100
1920x1200
1000:1 contrast
12ms response
500cd/m2 brightness
DVI-D, VGA, S-Video, Component inputs
4 USB 2.0 ports
9 in 1 card reader
VESA mount

On paper, the Dell panel is clearly superior on contrast, brightness and response. The extra inputs and the card reader are nice for some people (I would use the extra inputs for a console and my PowerBook). The Apple display gives up two USB 2.0 ports for 2 firewire ports, but is $700 more. Considering Dell has offered coupons and discounts that get the 24" display down under $1000, it's hard to imagine that anyone would seriously argue that it's not better than the Apple 23" display. I mean, really, what was your point? That the Apple display offers a similar value at $700 more because it has Apple's shiny bits stuck on the side instead of Dell shiny bits? Even though the panel specs are not as good? Give me a break.

minesgeek
Mar 26, 2005, 06:12 PM
so does anyone have the GeForce FX hooked up to a dell 24" widescreen, and if so, what resolutions are supported? Does it power that display well or is it sluggish?

i hate to interrupt with my question again but here goes...

ghostee
Mar 26, 2005, 06:48 PM
I'd love to hookup my 12" iBook G4 800 (with the hack of course) to this baby, but I imagine it would be laggy and a bad experience. It would just have to be acceptable enough to tide me over 'till the G5 PB's come out tho. :D

So anyone with iBook experiences with this LCD, please post your results.

BartVB
Mar 28, 2005, 08:47 AM
Here is someone that has attached his Dell 2405FPW to his 1.33Ghz 12" PowerBook:

http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_message/23028882#23028882

PB12 + 2405FPW + 15" LCD
http://yilkee.com/stuff/vergelijking-2.jpg

PB12 + 2405FPW
http://yilkee.com/stuff/2405/2405-6.jpg

Which all seems to be working pretty smoothly.

I currently have my 1.5Ghz 12" PB attached to a 22" Iiyama CRT on 1600x1200 and that works pretty good. It can even go up to 2304x1728x60Hz which (besided the 60Hz) works pretty well. Performance over DVI should be even better.

On 1600x1200 + 1024x678 Exposť gets fairly choppy as soon as you have more than approx 8 windows open. Exposť still works really well, you'll just have to do with a 4 frame animation instead of a smooth transition between your normal desktop and side by side windows.

I'm going to see when the DualTone TCO'03 2405FPWs become available and I'm going to order two of those. I we're going to have to wait a few weeks for the TCO'03 version it's probably going to be an order with two Midnight Grey screens. Really curious how I'm going to like these screens when working with photo's...

minesgeek
Mar 28, 2005, 10:43 AM
well, i have to say that is a pretty sweet setup. i think that i would be very happy running that monitor from my pb. thank you for the information.

Abulia
Mar 28, 2005, 11:12 AM
Are the monitor controls grayed out when you plug your pb into it?
I recall reading somewhere that Dell controls became disabled when connected to a Mac on the FP2005W. Wonder if the behavior remains with this model.The controls do not work becuase they're not necessary; the controls are for an analog hookup. DVI doesn't require them.

This isn't a "Mac problem."

The Dell monitors are fantastic.

dmg3d
Apr 12, 2005, 12:29 PM
Hi-

Looking at purchasing the Dell 2405FPW 24" LCD and I was wondering if the stock ATI 9000 can handle it, or if I need a new card...

Thanks
-Dave

G4 MDD; DP 1.42; 2 GB RAM; Mac OS X (10.3.8)

Zim Bargo
Apr 16, 2005, 12:11 PM
I've just been taking a look at these on the Dell site and seen they are doing a deal (in the UK) to by a second 24" monitor for half price - that's £1288 for 2 x 24" monitors!!

I'm running a 1.25ghz 15" Powerbook - can I run dual monitors?

Thanks

Zim

berkleeboy210
Apr 17, 2005, 10:46 PM
Is that a Vertical Stand you got for your Powerbook? If so where'd ya get it? That's a real sweet setup.

I just bought a PowerBook 12" 1.33ghz -- I have the Dell 2005FWP 20 Widescreen and Love it. - It runs my PC, and I plan on getting a kVm for the mac, and it also runs my digital HD cable box.