Mac OS X 10.3 in 2003

[arn]

eWeek rehashes (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,538582,00.asp) the prematurely posted Mac OS 10.2.1 articles on Apple's Support site, but also mentions that that Panther is due next year:

Sources have told eWEEK that the next major upgrade to Mac OS X, code-named Panther, is slated to ship in 2003.

Apple's updates have been steady with Mac OS X 10.0 in March 2001, 10.1 in September, 2001, and 10.2 in Aug, 2002.

[agp]

Anyone could make that guess.....I bet they have no insider info!

[reyesmac]

I can't wait for the day when Apple makes an operating system like 8.1 or 8.6 again that you can stick with but still use alot of new applications that come out after it. A stable system that you don't need to upgrade. With OS X, alot of programs are available only for one version of the OS. So, all those Jaguar users will be out of luck when Panther comes out and alot of applications will be updated just for it, like all the iApps.
With all this news about Apple distancing itself from Microsoft, it looks like Apple is trying to get as much money as it can for the upcoming war between the two.

[Arcady]

10.3 to ship in 2003? Well, gee... I thought they would wait until 2004.

In other news, faster Macs to ship in 2003 also. DUH. :rolleyes:

[mac15]

Originally posted by Arcady
10.3 to ship in 2003? Well, gee... I thought they would wait until 2004.

In other news, faster Macs to ship in 2003 also. DUH. :rolleyes:

2004 thats a bit much to wait, I was expecting a January release in 2003, but I hope it won't cost much

[Choppaface]

i will NOT pay $12x.xx for panther :| :| :| :|

if apple keep charging full for point updates, then fine I'll just use my XP box... let's hope that it's a free or $20 upgrade.... it would also be nice if they made a "fluff-less" version that didn't include all the iApps and stuff and just the operating system....

[Tiauguinho]

Arn,


Do you know any Rumors about the features that this new update brings? Or we are still based on user speculation?

[Telomar]

Originally posted by Choppaface
i will NOT pay $12x.xx for panther :| :| :| :|

if apple keep charging full for point updates, then fine I'll just use my XP box... let's hope that it's a free or $20 upgrade.... it would also be nice if they made a "fluff-less" version that didn't include all the iApps and stuff and just the operating system.... Ok I'm going to pick on this because...well it's just funny.

Firstly you are refusing to pay for a product when you have absolutely no clue what features it will have. That in my eyes is somewhat foolish on its own.

Secondly if you don't like iApps it is very simple. Just drag them to the trash then empty it. No more iApps. Nothing stops you from tweaking the OS how you want it. I certainly don't see Microsoft making special "fluff-less" OSs and I wouldn't expect Apple to either.

Finally whether they upgrade the version number by 0.1 or by 0.5 is absolutely irrelevent. Jaguar easily could have been made 10.5 or 10.6 or 11.0. You are saying that changing that number is more important to you than features? If only you could sell things to all people that easily...oh wait that's what Microsoft has/had a bad habit of doing. Excuse me if I find that line of thinking somewhat amusing.

[mac15]

yeah they could very well relases OS11 who cares , if it don't run well then whats use of getting it

[dobbin]

I was just wondering, is there is a technical reason why iCal works with 10.2 but not 10.1.5 or do they just do that to make the upgrade more worthwhile?

I'm fairly happy with 10.1 but I like the look of iCal. I'll probably upgrade sometime so I can take advantage of new apps, but actually I'd be happy to keep the same system for longer if it didn't restrict my choice of apps.

If there is some technical reason for this, then fair enough, but I guess they're just using it to tempt people like me to spend £100 on an upgrade for a lot of speed boosts and features that I don't really need.

Dobbin

[Nipsy]

Originally posted by dobbin
I was just wondering, is there is a technical reason why iCal works with 10.2 but not 10.1.5 or do they just do that to make the upgrade more worthwhile?

I'm fairly happy with 10.1 but I like the look of iCal. I'll probably upgrade sometime so I can take advantage of new apps, but actually I'd be happy to keep the same system for longer if it didn't restrict my choice of apps.

If there is some technical reason for this, then fair enough, but I guess they're just using it to tempt people like me to spend £100 on an upgrade for a lot of speed boosts and features that I don't really need.

Dobbin

There are new low level tools that make certain things only available in 10.2. The whole linking structure has changed in C, as has the C compiler. The UNIX binaries that control many facets of the OS have been changed. Each of these changes is something which a programmer can call in 10.2, but will call a failure in 10.1. Rendezvous is an entirely new tool, which is probably integrated in some way into iCal. WebDAV is a tool which iCal publishing relies on, and may (or may not) have been revised in 10.2.

There are many many tools which new programs take advantage of, and in10.1 these tools were not included, or too old of a version.

[iwantanewmac]

Originally posted by mac15


2004 thats a bit much to wait, I was expecting a January release in 2003, but I hope it won't cost much

That was sarcasm :)

[dorsal]

10.1 came out 6 months after 10.0 and was basically bug fixes and tweaks. -- 10.3 will come out 6 months after 10.2 and be bug fixes and tweaks for the 64 bit IBM chip. That puts the new PowerMacs out in Feb 2003.

[peterjhill]

Originally posted by Telomar
Ok I'm going to pick on this because...well it's just funny.

Firstly you are refusing to pay for a product when you have absolutely no clue what features it will have. That in my eyes is somewhat foolish on its own.

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Go Newbie! Go Newbie! Go Newbie

That post was right on target. It is exactly the way that I feel. You would think that people felt that Apple was holding a gun to their heads telling them to upgrade. Heck, right now you can still buy a computer that runs an ancient OS (9) from Apple. Eventually the old stuff (OS or computer) won't support the newest things, but hey, thats the price to be paid, literally.

[Blackcat]

I'm amazed people still don't get the new numbering.

Before X new releases were MacOS n.0 (full paid), n.5 (paid upgrade) and n.n (free update). Eg, 8.0, 8.5, 8.1.

Now with X we have 10.x (full paid) and 10.x.x (free update).

In short, point releases - 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 etc - are full versions, that's why Jaguar isn't MacOS XII!

[joelseph]

Originally posted by Blackcat
I'm amazed people still don't get the new numbering.

Before X new releases were MacOS n.0 (full paid), n.5 (paid upgrade) and n.n (free update). Eg, 8.0, 8.5, 8.1.

Now with X we have 10.x (full paid) and 10.x.x (free update).

In short, point releases - 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 etc - are full versions, that's why Jaguar isn't MacOS XII!

I've been saying the same thing. The only thing that doesn't quite fit is how the upgrade path from 10.1 to 10.1.5 was free. So we get x.x.5 upgrades for free now, but have no upgrade price for a full version upgrade. I think the version numbering is still correct.

[dobbin]

Originally posted by Blackcat
I'm amazed people still don't get the new numbering.

Before X new releases were MacOS n.0 (full paid), n.5 (paid upgrade) and n.n (free update). Eg, 8.0, 8.5, 8.1.

Now with X we have 10.x (full paid) and 10.x.x (free update).

In short, point releases - 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 etc - are full versions, that's why Jaguar isn't MacOS XII!


I don't think its quite as simple as that :confused:

10.1 was free (or there was a small charge for postage if you couldn't collect your own copy).

Dobbin

[big]

man, think if we were with Microscum...you'd be paying monthly fee to use your applications (online) then what if the internet went down...you couldn't type that report?

Man I hope Microsoft goes through with that!

[Blackcat]

Originally posted by joelseph


I've been saying the same thing. The only thing that doesn't quite fit is how the upgrade path from 10.1 to 10.1.5 was free. So we get x.x.5 upgrades for free now, but have no upgrade price for a full version upgrade. I think the version numbering is still correct.

I think all updates (10.x.y) will be free. The .5ness of it is just because it was the 5th update to 10.1, in future updates we might see 10.x.17 or 10.x.75 :) but they'll all be free.

I reckon we'll see MacOS X 10.12 etc too, rather than MacOS XI 11.2, but that might depend more on Windows naming scheme - If they get Win XQ 15.0, we'll get (or had before) MacOS XV.

It's all marketing crap really!

[clonenode]

Originally posted by dobbin



I don't think its quite as simple as that :confused:

10.1 was free (or there was a small charge for postage if you couldn't collect your own copy).

Dobbin

That's because 10.0 was the public beta, right? 10.1 was really the first true full version, totally optimized, ready for primetime.... (uh oh, can open - worms every where).

[Blackcat]

Originally posted by dobbin



I don't think its quite as simple as that :confused:

10.1 was free (or there was a small charge for postage if you couldn't collect your own copy).

Dobbin

I think that was because until 10.1 X wasn't very good! :D

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally posted by Choppaface
i will NOT pay $12x.xx for panther :| :| :| :|

if apple keep charging full for point updates, then fine I'll just use my XP box... let's hope that it's a free or $20 upgrade.... it would also be nice if they made a "fluff-less" version that didn't include all the iApps and stuff and just the operating system....

Oh - so you'll just pay $199 for the next version of XP? Like someone else said, you have no idea what 10.3 will have in it or what/if Apple will charge for it. 10.2 for $129 is not too much - the argument is getting old. (If you don't think 10.2 has a ton of stuff in it, go read http://arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3/macosx-10.2/macosx-10.2-1.html )

I haven't installed 10.2 yet (it arrives today by FedEx but I'm still waiting on HP OfficeJet D drivers), but the above link indicates that the iApps can be de-selected in the custom install window so, apparently, you can install "just the os" today.

[eric_n_dfw]

Originally posted by Blackcat


I think that was because until 10.1 X wasn't very good! :D
To some of us, the first developer preview was good! :cool:

[drastik]

From the day I switched to X 10.0, it was good. It was solid state non-crashing fun. The only bitch I had was that Limewire would occasionaly crap out my DSL, and there wasn't support for some of my 9 Apps in Classic. They eventually got support for the Apps, and now I am X only. All of my apps, pro design work and video included are native now and they are all greatly impoved as a result.

Choppaface is just acting like what I think Mischef called a "weak willed moron" in his "I'm going to switch to XP" AND PAY A MONTHLY TRIBUTE TO MICROSUCK.

[SilvorX]

i think 10.3 should be a free upgrade concidering most of the users upgraded to 10.2, its not like m$ where a new os comes in every 2-3 years, theres a .x upgrade every half year - year for osx...so paying $300 CDN for 10.2 and 10.3 would be overboard, ms got in the whole even more than they ever did with windows me, charged $60 CDN - $200 CDN for the darn piece of crud when it turns out it bsods more than win 3x/95...ppl were furious of paying good money when they couldve spent their money that was used to buy a computer on a mac and spent the win me money on osx half a year later...

the only way idd pay money for 10.3 is if theres lots of nice features included that arent available on the apple website (ie a new version of appleworks/imovie 3) and more compatibility with windows users, ie: able to run office extensions without office (on appleworks), and a "theme manager" so you can customize the look even more with themes (ie: like on resexcellence.com) without a 3rd party app...and of course more compatibility with 3-rd party optical drives (for the powermac or replacing an optical drive of an imac/emac with a 3-rd party optical drive) and on powermacs a feature to convert a drive thats ntfs/fat/fat32 to the osx readable (without removing any files unless u want to) if there isnt something for that yet...

[reyesmac]

I think Apple should sell themes on a separate disk. It should include desktops, Apple commercials, music, interface tweeks and other things to customise the OS. They should not include themes in the main OS unless you pay the $$ for the disk. This way, businesses will have an easier machine to administrate and Apple could just update the OS itself and they could let some other part of Apple worry about all the fluff. I would pay $50 for that. It would be nice to just get an OS upgrade that mostly updates the OS like 8.5 did. That added lots of improvements to the finder.

[MDiddy]

I think Apple wants to milk this Mac OS X name as much as possible. So they'll hold off on calling anything Mac OS 11 for as long as they can. Personally, I think Jaguar is the first major release of Mac OS X since 10.0. I think if they had chose to call it Mac OS 10.5, most people wouldn't have as much of a problem.

Jaguar is a bit mreo theen bug fixes, although some of the features are carry overs from OS 9, The core of Jaguar sets the step for some pretty awesome years of computing ahead.

However

I think Apple ougth to adopt an upgrade program where users who own Jaguar will get a discount on Panhter, assuming it ships before say, May of 2003.

[nuckinfutz]

Panther's not going to ship that soon.


I expect Panther to possibly be the first OS to run on the IBM based Powermacs late next year.

I think that 10.x should be paid updates and the next large updated should be listed as 10.2.5

saying "I won't pay for a 10.x update is silly because Apple isn't using the former OS update format.

[DavidRavenMoon]

Originally posted by Choppaface
i will NOT pay $12x.xx for panther :| :| :| :|

if apple keep charging full for point updates, then fine I'll just use my XP box... let's hope that it's a free or $20 upgrade.... it would also be nice if they made a "fluff-less" version that didn't include all the iApps and stuff and just the operating system....

Apple charges for major updates, which is once a year. The minor update, usually six months later is free, as are the point releases, i.e., 10.2.1.

So for example, I paid for 10.0, got 10.1 free, paid for 10.2, and so on.

10.3 is NOT a point release. Apple could have called Jaguar 10.5 and maybe 10.3 would be 11, but they want to keep using the "X" theme.

Maybe you are used to MS which only has major releases every three years, and which are really point releases. Windows 95 to 98 to ME? It was still Windows 4.0.

And they charge more for the updates. XP is just Windows NT 5.1, or Windows 2000.1 ;)

Stop looking at the number, this is why MS did away with either version numbers, and the year names (Windows 95=Windows 4.0). Do you think you will get the next version of Windows free? The XP Home upgrade is $90, and OS X is more like XP Pro... more like $190. If you think XP has more value, go ahead and use it. We wont miss you.

[Telomar]

Originally posted by DavidRavenMoon
So for example, I paid for 10.0, got 10.1 free, paid for 10.2, and so on.You'll most likely find that 10.1 was free because 10.0 was so incredibly bad.

On an unrelated note when Apple does hit OS X 11 it will be call Macintosh OS X version 11. The OS X part isn't disappearing.

[biscuit]

Originally posted by Telomar
On an unrelated note when Apple does hit OS X 11 it will be call Macintosh OS X version 11. The OS X part isn't disappearing.

Um...not too sure about that one. Apple are trying to indicate that there's only one Mac OS and it went from version 9 to 10. Big step but thats the way they want it. Ever notice all the Apple people say Mac OS 'ten' rather than Mac OS 'X', which is what I say personally.

So, when version 11 arrives thats what it will be. But I think they'll be hanging onto the X for a long time yet, the marketing is just too good. Hence Jaguar was 10.2 rather than, say, 10.5 which it might have been on the old system. Actually, when you think about it it's Mac OS X Jaguar (Version 10.2) in the US, so maybe they'll move away from numbers too...

biscuit

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i also think that 10.3 should be FREE considering that a lot of people dropped 125 for jaguar... including me

[BongHits]

Originally posted by clonenode


That's because 10.0 was the public beta, right? 10.1 was really the first true full version, totally optimized, ready for primetime.... (uh oh, can open - worms every where).

lots of people are saying 10.2 is really the version that should have been 10.1 (refined, and tweaked) but their are still some major problems inherent in 10.2, so maybe 10.3 will be OS X rdy for prime time? who knows...it just needs to happen soon (WTF DO I NOT HAVE A 5.1 AUDIO CARD!? THIS IS REDICULOUS!!!!)

[BB1985]

Mac OS X rocks, as a brand name OS X is second to none, why change to 11, 12 or so on just to follow tradition.

Long live Mac OS X.whatever