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theturtle
May 2, 2011, 08:05 PM
Hey guys,

please help me drop this stupid mentality. I love my air but i keep buying a 13' pro to try it out. I left the pro originally (the original pro that came out 2 years ago) because of the HEAVY weight, which sucked cause i carried it to school, and how hot it would get in bed. But than i got the air and i loved it. the portability is just mind blowing. It doesn't even get hot at all. But the thing that irks me is that the air runs a older processor. I know you guys are gonna tell me to just wait and get the refreshed air but i can't afford to do that. the decision i make is the laptop im going to keep for a long time.

the stupid part is, i dont even do cpu intensive stuff. i just write emails, browse, research, but i find myself wanting the i5. i won't notice the everyday speed, and some programs even open slower than the air, but something keeps nagging at me saying the i5 is better, its newer. coupled with the fact that the core 2 duo is a 4+ year old processor, i get more annoyed. I keep playing (don't laugh!!) these hypothetical games where i say "WHAT IF i do use photoshop in the future" or "WHAT IF i do begin to make movies"

the core 2 duo is MORE than sufficient for me. its extremely snappy when coupled with the SSD but a side of me wants an i5. its weird, theres NOTHING on the pro that i prefer over the air, except the processor yet i can't make a decision.

help guys? :(



Intell
May 2, 2011, 08:10 PM
The CPU the current Airs use did not come out 4 years ago. They came out less than seven months ago. Its just using the older Core2Duo framework. The C2D framework is still very capable and is much better the the CoreDuo or Pentium 4 framework.

Eclipse278
May 2, 2011, 08:23 PM
this should do it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grnrx7JeDhg

bevahunter
May 2, 2011, 08:46 PM
Turtle, I have the same problem. Thanks Intell, I needed to hear that as well..... any word on when the next MBA is coming out? Also, if I buy one in the next few weeks, what is the chance I will get a free Lion update in the next few months?

IngerMan
May 2, 2011, 08:58 PM
this should do it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grnrx7JeDhg

What does your starving children video have to do with this thread:confused:

torbjoern
May 2, 2011, 09:10 PM
What does your starving children video have to do with this thread:confused:

I guess it's one of those put-things-into-perspective-videos. Not that I have watched that specific video myself.

Christina1971
May 2, 2011, 09:56 PM
I've never really understood these particular threads (no offense, OP) because I don't know how we can get inside your head if you can't get inside your own. :)

All I can tell you is that I had a 2006 Macbook and was looking to replace it, and I THOUGHT what I wanted was a 15-inch Macbook Pro. But then when I really considered what I use a computer for, I realized 13 inches was better. And then when I t thought about how much I've bitched about the weight of my briefcase, the Air seemed the obvious choice.

I bought one and I haven't looked back. It's the right choice for the real me, not for some hypothetical "me" who has some hypothetical need for a super high-powered machine. I haven't noticed any difficulty with the Air handling the extremely light Photoshop Elements work that I do on rare occasions. I doubt that it's going to be a problem for me to stitch together a Youtube video or whatever I want to do with movies in the future -- but in my many years of Mac ownership, if I haven't started making movies yet, I doubt I'm going to turn into Steven Spielberg all of a sudden.

It's a lot of money, so I would suggest that if you have deep misgivings, don't buy anything. Just wait until the answer becomes clear to you.

thejadedmonkey
May 2, 2011, 10:10 PM
I have a 4 year old MBP. It's the low end 2.16 model. I could have gotten a 2.33ghz model. Right now, the difference between a 2.16ghz model and a 2.33ghz model is negligible. I didn't need the extra power when I purchased the computer, and now that the computer is so old, any programs that I use that would need a faster computer would need more than the 2.33ghz model would have given me.

fyrefly
May 3, 2011, 12:00 AM
The CPU the current Airs use did not come out 4 years ago. They came out less than seven months ago. Its just using the older Core2Duo framework. The C2D framework is still very capable and is much better the the CoreDuo or Pentium 4 framework.

Ugh, what?

SL9600 2.13Ghz launched Q1'09.
REF: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37262&processor=SL9600&spec-codes=SLGEQ

SL9400 1.86Ghz launched Q3'08.
REF: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36689&processor=SL9400&spec-codes=SLB66,SLGAB,SLGHD

SU9400 1.4Ghz launched Q3'08
REF: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36697&processor=SU9400&spec-codes=SLB5V,SLGAK,SLGS5

SU9600 1.6Ghz launched Q1'09
REF: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37264&processor=SU9600&spec-codes=SLGEX,SLGFN

I'm not saying the C2D isn't still a viable (tho aging) processor choice (especially 'cause it's the last Intel processor that'll fit in a MBA and can be paired with a Nvidia chip), but they are 2+ year old chips. Not 7 months old.

PhilMac
May 3, 2011, 02:22 AM
I think you may either have OCD, low self esteem or just not enough going on in your life.

By the way, this is my first post and I'm not trying to be provocative just helpful. I've read many threads similar to this so I decided to post. Your problem is not the machine, it's you or rather the thought processes you're going through.

It's likely you're not only like this about Macbooks so could probably do well to address this problem now as it will likely help you elsewhere too.

Twe Foju
May 3, 2011, 02:39 AM
Simple, youre just s Spec OCD, it doesn't sound as bad as it sound, but

you buy a laptop because you need to, not because you just WANT it, or becayse of the specs

sure, newer technology means a longer term, a better performance, and better overall experience, true

but what if, you buy the refreshed MBA, then in another 6 months, the new "XXX" chip ( which is guaranteed to happen ) is releasing? will you regret, because it's using core whatever that is newer than your refreshed MBA?

you love your air, that's what it matters, look, i am still using a 2007 MBP, it's core2duo Santa Rosa Gen, and an old 8600 GT, i still play EvE like damn well and above 40fps, Photoshop, still run awesome, i didnt notice any lag whatsoever, i play around with Premier Pro, no problem, multi tasking are still fine

and it's heavy as hell, the MBP that is, and i have been seriously thinking of getting an Air too, case for me is, i haven't purchase one, so i can wait for the refresh, because obviously, it's a better option for me

but, in your case, you own an Air, and you want an upgrade to the i5 for something that you dont know what you will use it for

i was once like you, i was a Spec Whore, trust me, when i bought my MBP, 3 months later, the new MBP was out, i was raged, but i learn over time, it's useless to have something that you just want, but you dont actually use it

if i could give an advice, keep your Air for as long as you can, when you feel it's time to change, then buy whatever the line available at that time

just my $0.02

otherwise, if this makes you hard to sleep, and get your life miserable knowing that you just want the i5, then, sell your current Air, and get the new one, it's all you ;)

do whatever it is to make you happy, because that is what matters the most

fs454
May 3, 2011, 03:06 AM
For what it's worth, you'll be 100% totally fine using Photoshop and Final Cut on these machines. seriously, it's not bad at all. I use an 8-core Mac Pro for my heavyweight photo and video work and my 11" MBA is just as sufficient for mobile work. 13" is more than capable with 4GB of RAM.

anthro
May 3, 2011, 03:26 AM
Software should become more and more resource-efficient and the value of improving the already fast processors is diminishing. Most of those Sandy Bridge chips are just overkill. I'd rather invest in less overkill areas like better memory (SSD), higher screen resolution, etc.

theturtle
May 3, 2011, 07:09 AM
I think you may either have OCD, low self esteem or just not enough going on in your life.

By the way, this is my first post and I'm not trying to be provocative just helpful. I've read many threads similar to this so I decided to post. Your problem is not the machine, it's you or rather the thought processes you're going through.

It's likely you're not only like this about Macbooks so could probably do well to address this problem now as it will likely help you elsewhere too.

yikes. thats a bit mean isn't it? Just looking for the best bang for the buck. didn't know that was a self esteem problem...


but anyways, thank you guys for your responses. they really helped. i know im not the only one whos having trouble with this. the low res screen on the pro does irritate me though.

ah, what to do what to do :p

aristobrat
May 3, 2011, 07:35 AM
Just looking for the best bang for the buck.
Do you really find the day-to-day performance of the Pro to be as snappy as the Air?

IMO, your posts are hung up on the processor (which you've admitted isn't a bottleneck for you), but you haven't really said much about the benefits from the SSD, which factored into the price of the Air vs the Pro really adds a lot of bang for the buck.

I switched from a 15" i7 MBP to an Air and for virtually everything I do on a daily basis, the Air seems way more snappy and responsive. Even a Pro app like Aperture (which used to beach-ball all day long on the i7 MBP when I'd browse the library because the 7200 RPM drive couldn't keep up with loading the photos and applying the edits as I cursored through an event) is smooth as silk on the Air because of its SSD.

IMO, unless you're comparing the price of an MBP+SSD to the price of the Air, it's really not a fair comparison (unless you really don't notice a difference in performance).

entatlrg
May 3, 2011, 08:43 AM
Buy the Air of course. It's what you really want.

You don't want low screen resolution, a much heavier computer, and you're not going to use the added power the 13" MBP offers, it's a no brainer isn't it?

Otherwise picture yourself with your new 13" MBP ... you'll notice the screen resolution sucks right away, you'll be disappointed in the added weight as soon as you realize you're not using the added power it offers.

Within a week or less you'll miss your Air like crazy and regret buying the 13" MBP.

By the way I've had them all, 13, 15 and 17" MBP's ... the Air is my favorite by far.

Lateraleye
May 3, 2011, 09:11 AM
It's a disease I've been battling since I started buying computers for myself.

I think it might finally be in remission now. I was waiting for the refresh before buying an Air, but through a family member's business I had the chance to get an ultimate 13" for $1400 new right now. That discount made me take a step back and seriously evaluate why I was waiting and the pros and cons. Specs-wise, the MBP I'm using now is fine. What I need is the portability, speed of SSD, and lower fan noise of the Air. I discovered that for the minor things I do, numbers don't matter. Practical things do.

I suggest you do the same thing. Take a step back, evaluate your needs, and decide from there. Don't get distracted by the shiny numbers if your current raw performance is fine.

Retops
May 3, 2011, 09:33 AM
Very clear thinking here. Well stated.

I've never really understood these particular threads (no offense, OP) because I don't know how we can get inside your head if you can't get inside your own. :)

All I can tell you is that I had a 2006 Macbook and was looking to replace it, and I THOUGHT what I wanted was a 15-inch Macbook Pro. But then when I really considered what I use a computer for, I realized 13 inches was better. And then when I t thought about how much I've bitched about the weight of my briefcase, the Air seemed the obvious choice.

I bought one and I haven't looked back. It's the right choice for the real me, not for some hypothetical "me" who has some hypothetical need for a super high-powered machine. I haven't noticed any difficulty with the Air handling the extremely light Photoshop Elements work that I do on rare occasions. I doubt that it's going to be a problem for me to stitch together a Youtube video or whatever I want to do with movies in the future -- but in my many years of Mac ownership, if I haven't started making movies yet, I doubt I'm going to turn into Steven Spielberg all of a sudden.

It's a lot of money, so I would suggest that if you have deep misgivings, don't buy anything. Just wait until the answer becomes clear to you.

PhilMac
May 3, 2011, 01:38 PM
I wasn't being mean, just trying to be helpful. You may not have low self-esteem, it was only one of the options :)

Lateral Eye and Twe Foju had some good perspectives.

'i know im not the only one whos having trouble with this'

I know you're not, I see lots of these type of threads. I'm not going to be a regular poster on this forum as I can't see the point and I've seen people with the clearest points of view be misunderstood or flamed for no reason and I really don't need to be part of that. I'm not saying that's what is happening here but it would happen if I contributed regularly, I bet it happens to most people.

All I would say is life is short, way too short to worry about the things you are agonising over. In a year you'll probably look back and wonder why you agonised over it, that's if you remember it at all. There will be new things to agonise over then, some will be important but most won't be. Best to try and work out which are the important decisions and try and get those right.

Go to the store and buy something and be happy or don't. They're all great products and we're only talking degrees of excellence anyway so it's a win-win situation.

Use one and then be concerned about the work you do with it and important things. Anyone worrying about what computer they have, what engine their car has, how big their house is, which restaurants they go may not be happy deep down.

I know it's not a popular view these days but we aren't the sum of the brands and products we buy.

I know what I've said will probably be ignored, ridiculed or whatever but well I've said it. Take it or leave it.

I've been reading the site for a while but only joined today to post here. That was my contribution and now I'll go back to reading, all the best whatever you buy - you can't really lose as it'll be a Mac.
:)

cambookpro
May 3, 2011, 02:19 PM
the core 2 duo is MORE than sufficient for me. its extremely snappy when coupled with the SSD

I think you've answered your own question.

Don't get yourself into these hypothetical situations: what IF I do this... what IF I do that... just get a computer that will do what you need it to do and enjoy it.

robanga
May 3, 2011, 05:05 PM
Here's my advice: Budget to spend an amount that you feel comfortable with so that basically you buy new stuff every year. Budget $ 3000-4000 per year and you do not have to worry about future proofing, because you are never far behind.

Plus your family members, used market ...whatever get the benefit of the very new used stuff. :) Give in to the addiction buy it all. New iPhone, iPad, Notebook every year, heck add a desktop too ( thats a little overkill for me...my iMac is like 3 yrs old)

ZiggyZidel
May 3, 2011, 06:35 PM
Don't want to steal your thread OP but I am also having the same issue as you. Currently own a 2008 white macbook (penryn). I am looking into getting a new laptop before I start university in the fall and have had my mind set on a 13' macbook pro but the air has really caught my eye. I MAINLY use my laptop for browsing and watching videos on firefox, itunes, ichat, microsoft office, ical etc... with the occasional use of photoshop. I will be studying computer science which may require me to run windows in which case I would need enough power for boot camp which sucks :(... really wish I could get an air! Which would be great for my needs, right? (If I got the ultimare 13')

Rhyalus
May 3, 2011, 06:52 PM
I don't know why wanting a more powerful machine is such a bad thing.

Sure, you don't want to overbuy, but that is fairly impossible. The better the CPU, GPU, RAM and HD, the more you can use the machine for.

I think matching the form and function is the first step, and then buying the best that you can afford in that category is a great approach.

To me, the perfect portable is the base 13" MBP with an SSD. The one pound difference is negligible and I needed the extra ports and the lighted keyboard.

Maybe I am in the minority (seeing that this is the Air forum), but you should not be ashamed of wanting a more powerful machine.

R

MagicWok
May 3, 2011, 07:55 PM
To me, the perfect portable is the base 13" MBP with an SSD. The one pound difference is negligible and I needed the extra ports and the lighted keyboard

I hope you realise that the Macbook Air does not currently have a backlit keyboard on any size.

Feature was removed for this revision.

Unless you're referencing one you already bought from the previous generation... Then carry on :p

fs454
May 3, 2011, 07:57 PM
I hope you realise that the Macbook Air does not currently have a backlit keyboard on any size.

Feature was removed for this revision.

Unless you're referencing one you already bought from the previous generation... Then carry on :p

He said MBP not MBA. In which case I completely disagree, the "one pound difference" between an MBA and an MBP is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference.

2IS
May 3, 2011, 08:19 PM
Macrumors should have a "most useless thread" competition. This one would garnish a fair amount of votes I'd imagine.

Rhyalus
May 3, 2011, 10:13 PM
He said MBP not MBA. In which case I completely disagree, the "one pound difference" between an MBA and an MBP is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference.

Maybe if you ride a bike everywhere with it, or something like that where mobility is the key need, I "might" see what you are saying.

I travel for my job - worldwide - and I have done so for years with PC laptops ranging from 5-10 lbs.

The difference between my 8lb i7 PC laptop and the 4.5lb MBP is pretty huge. I have carried the MBA and the MBP and to me, the difference is near zero.

Why do you feel that few ounces so much?

R

Hastings101
May 3, 2011, 11:31 PM
That Macbook Air you have is perfect for everything that you do. Don't ever replace it with a Macbook Pro because they're heavy and it would be a waste of money.

Did it work?

kazmac
May 4, 2011, 07:39 AM
I've never really understood these particular threads (no offense, OP) because I don't know how we can get inside your head if you can't get inside your own. :)

All I can tell you is that I had a 2006 Macbook and was looking to replace it, and I THOUGHT what I wanted was a 15-inch Macbook Pro. But then when I really considered what I use a computer for, I realized 13 inches was better. And then when I t thought about how much I've bitched about the weight of my briefcase, the Air seemed the obvious choice.

I bought one and I haven't looked back. It's the right choice for the real me, not for some hypothetical "me" who has some hypothetical need for a super high-powered machine. I haven't noticed any difficulty with the Air handling the extremely light Photoshop Elements work that I do on rare occasions. I doubt that it's going to be a problem for me to stitch together a Youtube video or whatever I want to do with movies in the future -- but in my many years of Mac ownership, if I haven't started making movies yet, I doubt I'm going to turn into Steven Spielberg all of a sudden.

It's a lot of money, so I would suggest that if you have deep misgivings, don't buy anything. Just wait until the answer becomes clear to you.

+1

excellent response. And while I wouldn't mind becoming Spielberg all of sudden, it won't happen here either.

To the OP, it is realistically what computer is best for you and only you can answer that. I'm slowly kicking my future proof OCD to the curb. In testing the Pro and the Air over the last 6 weeks, the Air was the best machine for my needs, but in the end I couldn't justify the expense with the perfectly fine (way over powered base model 2010 iMac I have).

Once I ditch the iMac, I'll wait because I usually rush head first into computer purchases. Very sound advice in this thread. Thanks :)

theturtle
May 4, 2011, 12:15 PM
thanks for the wonderful replies :D

so what EXACTLY would the i5 processor excel at? I keep reading batch processing but im not sure on what that means. What programs would i see this amazing processor come alive in? When comparing launch speeds, the air has it beat 9/10.

Hastings101
May 4, 2011, 01:56 PM
thanks for the wonderful replies :D

so what EXACTLY would the i5 processor excel at? I keep reading batch processing but im not sure on what that means. What programs would i see this amazing processor come alive in? When comparing launch speeds, the air has it beat 9/10.

Final Cut, Handbrake, some processor intensive games, I'm sure there are more things out there that benefit from the better processor I just can't think of any because I don't use any :p.

ipodlover77
May 4, 2011, 02:44 PM
Final Cut, Handbrake, some processor intensive games, I'm sure there are more things out there that benefit from the better processor I just can't think of any because I don't use any :p.

hmm it sounds like things a normal to light user wouldnt notice :D

torbjoern
May 5, 2011, 03:06 AM
Final Cut, Handbrake, some processor intensive games, I'm sure there are more things out there that benefit from the better processor I just can't think of any because I don't use any :p.

Handbrake works fine even on MacBook Air. It just takes a bit longer to complete.

gangzoom
May 5, 2011, 08:10 AM
Whats the difference between a 1.8L Ford Focus and a BMW M3?? Both are cars that get you from A to B in equal comfort, both will exceed the national speed with ease (70mph here in the UK), both get stuck in the same traffic jams. Does any one really need a 4.2L V8 with 400BHP+ on public roads?? But I know which I rather have....

mrsir2009
May 5, 2011, 02:10 PM
Every time you feel the need to future-proof a Mac, just think: "I can always get a new one later".

Christina1971
May 5, 2011, 02:58 PM
Every time you feel the need to future-proof a Mac, just think: "I can always get a new one later".

That's a really good point. Not that you want to just throw money around willy-nilly, but they will make more; it's not like they'll take your credit cards away after you buy. And Macs, thankfully, hold on to their value pretty well when/if it comes time to sell.

I remember when I thought I would never get a laptop, because desktops were so much more powerful and "futureproof." That seems so ridiculous to me now, but I remember having a very serious internal debate over what type of computer I would get to replace my G3/400 purple iMac. I went with a Macbook (this was in 2006) and now that I've had a laptop for a few years, I can't imagine going back to a desktop-only setup. (I have the MBA and an Apple Cinema Display, which is truly the best of both worlds for me.)

(And speaking of future proofing -- I had that Macbook for five years, and it was only in the last year or so that it started to feel "old" to me. My needs are quite basic.)

Anyway, assess your needs and get what will make you feel happiest now, not what will make a future you happy. Because who knows where you'll be in the future. Good luck!

hchung
May 5, 2011, 03:17 PM
Hahaha, pretty amusing. The upside is that you, the original poster, realize that when it comes to the bigger numbers game, you're being duped.

Buy the Air. It's what you actually want. Not what you "might not want in the future", but what you want for sure now. It's the sure bet because it's what you actually need.

I use a 2008 Macbook Pro 15". Yes, with the "ancient" C2D. I had the option a year ago to get a whole new laptop at work, and turned it down in favor of an SSD because getting another 500Mhz of clock wasn't going to do anything useful for me. Plus the SSD was cheapers. Plus the SSD was faster. In fact, the SSD made it so that doing code builds was a minute short of my much-faster-on-paper 8-core desktop.

So what if the CPU is slow? You're not feeding it enough data anyways. Even if it's twice as fast, the difference to you will be for the most part negligble.

"What if you use photoshop?" Consider it that it's highly unlikely you're a photoshop prodigy, you won't be able to keep up with your computer. Monster photoshop rigs are for editors who know photoshop like the back of their hand. For everybody else and their piddly digicams, any 6 year old machine will do because as it sits there cranking, you're be busy thinking about what to do next. And the old machine will still probably finish before you do.

"What if I make movies?" Yes, it'll take a while for your machine to process the movie. Big deal. It's a batch process at the end of your editing. It's one long wait after you're done giving your input. Go to sleep. Go get lunch. Go for a walk. Go watch an episode of your favorite TV show. Go take out the garbage. Go do laundry. Go wash your car. Go water the plants. Go call and check up on your mom. Go do something else.

(It probably helps to know: I code. I do movie editing. I periodically do use photoshop although not as much as I used to. I play starcraft 2 a little. And yet, I not only use an old Core2Duo Macbook Pro, but I turned down a Corei5 MBP that I wouldn't have needed to pay a cent for.)

Besides, telling me that you don't want to use an older chip is silly. After all, the Pentium 4 was once the newest, but certainly not better than what came before it.

nefan65
May 5, 2011, 03:21 PM
Maybe this will help. I have an i3 13" MBP, with 4GB of RAM, and 320GB Drive. My son has a 2007 C2D MB with 4GB of RAM, and a 1600GB Drive. Mail, Web, Office, iWork, Youtube, and all that stuff runs as good on his MB as it does on my newer MBP. The only difference I can see? Backlit keyboard. Yet, I rarely type in low light settings, so he's not missing anything!

I messed around with a 13" MBA at the Apple store a week or so back. LOVED IT! Wished I had waited. It has better screen, lighter, snappier, and it's a slower Proc than my MBP. To take that, and tuck it under my arm for a meeting, or into a sleeve for a meeting...wow. Lighter, faster...all that.

So...if it were ME..keep it, be happy and enjoy it! There's always something better, faster, and sleeker around the corner.

Yvan256
May 5, 2011, 05:27 PM
My main computer is a Mac mini unibody with a Core 2 Duo clocked at 2.4 GHz and 8 GiB of RAM. Sure, it's a bit more than the MacBook Air specifications.

However, I don't see myself upgrading any time soon, as I can do the following, all at once:
- edit two dozen PHP, HTML, CSS and XML files with TextWrangler
- use four browsers at once for testing web pages (Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera)
- listen to music with iTunes
- slice PSDs with ImageReady CS2 (which has to run on top of Rosetta)
- edit a pet project of mine in Google Sketchup
- play World of Warcraft in windowed mode (about 800x600) on medium settings (I don't really "play", I just stand around and wait for herbs and minerals to re-appear, pick them up, then I leave WoW alone for 10 minutes)
- encode a ripped DVD into H.264/AAC with Handbrake (pre-ripped to the hard drive since reading from the optical drive would slow everything down)

I can't wait to see the next Mac mini upgrade. Not because I need to upgrade, but because I'm curious to see what the next revision will bring.

The MBA does what you need. Enjoy it.