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mayhone1
May 6, 2011, 09:42 PM
Does anyone think thunderbolt and 4gb memory as a start will be on the next update in MacBook Air?



MBABuyer
May 6, 2011, 10:14 PM
Apple to begin production of Thunderbolt MacBook Airs this month

By Kasper Jade
Published: 11:00 AM EST

Apple nthis month will reportedly begin manufacturing the first updates to its rejuvenated MacBook Air line as the company looks to maintain the impressive sales momentum generated by the ultra-thin notebooks and limit the market opportunity for would-be competitors hoping to wedge their foot in the door.

Sales of the aggressively-priced 11.6- and 13.3-inch MacBook Airs got off to a hot start following their introduction last October, with Apple assembling roughly 1 million units within their first quarter of availability. During those three months, consumers reportedly chose the new MacBook Airs at a one-to-two ratio to the company's more established MacBook Pro offerings, making for one of the company's most successful Mac product launches ever.

However, shipments of the Airs declined 51 percent sequentially during the first calendar quarter of 2011 -- including a 40 percent month-over-month decline in February -- as Apple introduced new MacBook Pros that caught consumers' eyes, according to Concord Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who has proven sources within the Cupertino-based company's Far Eastern supply chain.

Kuo tells AppleInsider that his latest round of checks with suppliers and system builders in the region reveals that MacBook Air shipments are set to rebound during the current calendar quarter, fueled by an upgrade to Intel's latest Sandy Bridge microprocessors, integrated Intel graphics, and the expected adoption of the new Thunderbolt high-speed I/O technology that made its debut on MacBook Pros earlier this year.

Specifically, he said the new models will "go to mass production in late May," which corroborates an earlier report that cited reliable sources as saying Apple would be ready to publicly announce and ship to consumers MacBook Airs with Sandy Bridge processors during following month of June.




The upgrade should help boost Apple's overall notebook shipments between 5 percent to 10 percent sequentially for the current quarter, according to Kuo, reversing a 5 percent decline from the fourth quarter of 2010 to the first quarter of 2011, which he notes was still less than the 11% average decline for notebook shipments from the top 6 OEMs worldwide during the same period.

In moving to Intel's 32-nanometer (nm) Sandy Bridge architecture, the mid-2011 MacBook Airs will jettison two-year-old Penryn-based 45-nm Core 2 Duo chips for the chipmakers' new line (below) of low-voltage and ultra-low-voltage Core i5 and Core i7 chips, which sport between 3MB and 4MB of Smart Cache and support a theoretical maximum of 8GB of internal system memory.


Should Apple follow its current trend of using ultra-low-variants for the 11.6-inch MacBook Air and low-voltage ones for the 13.3-inch models, consumers can expect to see new 11.6-inch MacBook Airs sporting 1.4GHz to 1.6GHz Core i5 and Core i7 chips and 13.3-inch MacBook Airs with 2.10 and 2.30GHz Core i7 processors.

In a report shared with AppleInsider last week, Kuo also noted that production of Apple's legacy white MacBook model has been on a steady decline since the start of the year, with shipments falling 10% and 50% in February and March, respectively. As such, it's likely that Apple will similarly need to make some form of announcement regarding the future of this offering sometime in the coming months.

KylePowers
May 6, 2011, 11:02 PM
Does anyone think thunderbolt and 4gb memory as a start will be on the next update in MacBook Air?
Thunderbolt, yes.

4GB, no.

Why? This is merely out of speculation and my own intuition, but I think they'll leave it at 2GB standard, especially at the 13in - to differentiate it from the MBP 13. I mean, a SB MBA with thunderbolt + higher res + sleeker body + SSD all standard would already be cutting into MBP 13 purchases. Now tack on 4GB RAM standard, then yeah, very few people would go MBP 13, unless they really needed the optical drive, backlit keyboard (which who knows, could make its way into the new MBA), or the 2-3 (I'm not sure) extra ports.

That's what I think, at least.

I would also guess the new MBA will have an HD camera, just like the new iMac and MBP... which again, checks off another thing the 2011 MBP and future MBA would have in common.

mayhone1
May 6, 2011, 11:05 PM
Thanks!

mayhone1
May 6, 2011, 11:06 PM
Is there a link to match this info?
Apple to begin production of Thunderbolt MacBook Airs this month

By Kasper Jade
Published: 11:00 AM EST

Apple nthis month will reportedly begin manufacturing the first updates to its rejuvenated MacBook Air line as the company looks to maintain the impressive sales momentum generated by the ultra-thin notebooks and limit the market opportunity for would-be competitors hoping to wedge their foot in the door.

Sales of the aggressively-priced 11.6- and 13.3-inch MacBook Airs got off to a hot start following their introduction last October, with Apple assembling roughly 1 million units within their first quarter of availability. During those three months, consumers reportedly chose the new MacBook Airs at a one-to-two ratio to the company's more established MacBook Pro offerings, making for one of the company's most successful Mac product launches ever.

However, shipments of the Airs declined 51 percent sequentially during the first calendar quarter of 2011 -- including a 40 percent month-over-month decline in February -- as Apple introduced new MacBook Pros that caught consumers' eyes, according to Concord Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who has proven sources within the Cupertino-based company's Far Eastern supply chain.

Kuo tells AppleInsider that his latest round of checks with suppliers and system builders in the region reveals that MacBook Air shipments are set to rebound during the current calendar quarter, fueled by an upgrade to Intel's latest Sandy Bridge microprocessors, integrated Intel graphics, and the expected adoption of the new Thunderbolt high-speed I/O technology that made its debut on MacBook Pros earlier this year.

Specifically, he said the new models will "go to mass production in late May," which corroborates an earlier report that cited reliable sources as saying Apple would be ready to publicly announce and ship to consumers MacBook Airs with Sandy Bridge processors during following month of June.




The upgrade should help boost Apple's overall notebook shipments between 5 percent to 10 percent sequentially for the current quarter, according to Kuo, reversing a 5 percent decline from the fourth quarter of 2010 to the first quarter of 2011, which he notes was still less than the 11% average decline for notebook shipments from the top 6 OEMs worldwide during the same period.

In moving to Intel's 32-nanometer (nm) Sandy Bridge architecture, the mid-2011 MacBook Airs will jettison two-year-old Penryn-based 45-nm Core 2 Duo chips for the chipmakers' new line (below) of low-voltage and ultra-low-voltage Core i5 and Core i7 chips, which sport between 3MB and 4MB of Smart Cache and support a theoretical maximum of 8GB of internal system memory.


Should Apple follow its current trend of using ultra-low-variants for the 11.6-inch MacBook Air and low-voltage ones for the 13.3-inch models, consumers can expect to see new 11.6-inch MacBook Airs sporting 1.4GHz to 1.6GHz Core i5 and Core i7 chips and 13.3-inch MacBook Airs with 2.10 and 2.30GHz Core i7 processors.

In a report shared with AppleInsider last week, Kuo also noted that production of Apple's legacy white MacBook model has been on a steady decline since the start of the year, with shipments falling 10% and 50% in February and March, respectively. As such, it's likely that Apple will similarly need to make some form of announcement regarding the future of this offering sometime in the coming months.

jpi
May 6, 2011, 11:32 PM
I would be interested if there is a chance for a design-update?!

aleni
May 6, 2011, 11:36 PM
I would be interested if there is a chance for a design-update?!

hell no, Apple stated that the new Macbook Air is gonna be the future of all MacBooks. so i think the next MBP will follow the shape of Macbook air but a little bit thicker than the current Air.

Undo Redo
May 6, 2011, 11:48 PM
Thunderbolt, yes.

4GB, no.

Why? This is merely out of speculation and my own intuition, but I think they'll leave it at 2GB standard, especially at the 13in - to differentiate it from the MBP 13. I mean, a SB MBA with thunderbolt + higher res + sleeker body + SSD all standard would already be cutting into MBP 13 purchases. Now tack on 4GB RAM standard, then yeah, very few people would go MBP 13, unless they really needed the optical drive, backlit keyboard (which who knows, could make its way into the new MBA), or the 2-3 (I'm not sure) extra ports.
I'd agree, but for different reasons. Apple doesn't care if you buy an Air or a Pro if the margins are the same, and they likely are. Apple makes a bundle of money selling the extra 2GB of memory to those who need it. And I don't think most people really need it. If they're "power users," they'll get the Pro or up the memory for $100. I get along just fine with 2GB of memory in my Air, since I usually only have a few lightweight programs running. I'm glad I didn't waste $100 on more memory.

TrollToddington
May 7, 2011, 12:09 AM
I'm glad I didn't waste $100 on more memory.Unfortunately, you cannot do it later if you have to, as RAM is soldered on the board.

onthecouchagain
May 7, 2011, 12:21 AM
I think not only will the RAM stay at 2GB base, but the SSD sizes as well. Judging from the iMac refresh, SSD prices haven't decreased in the slightest. I don't foresee Apple selling the Air at the same prices with larger SSD standards. I think we'll see exactly 64 GB SSD and 128 GB SSD as the base for 11" and 13" respectively.

I predict we'll see Thunderbolt replacing the Mini Display port, Sandy Bridge processors, an HD front camera, and improved GPU. I don't think we'll see much else. We certainly won't see a new design -- apple tends to stick with the same design for a few years -- and we certainly won't see back lit keyboards.

Michael383
May 7, 2011, 12:22 AM
Does anyone think thunderbolt and 4gb memory as a start will be on the next update in MacBook Air?

Thunderbolt is a good possibility but 4GB standard I wouldn't bet on.

Undo Redo
May 7, 2011, 12:26 AM
Unfortunately, you cannot do it later if you have to, as RAM is soldered on the board.
Won't need to. This computer will belong to someone else in a couple of years.

Undo Redo
May 7, 2011, 12:28 AM
I think not only will the RAM stay at 2GB base, but the SSD sizes as well. Judging from the iMac refresh, SSD prices haven't decreased in the slightest. I don't foresee Apple selling the Air at the same prices with larger SSD standards. I think we'll see exactly 64 GB SSD and 128 GB SSD as the base for 11" and 13" respectively.

I predict we'll see Thunderbolt replacing the Mini Display port, Sandy Bridge processors, an HD front camera, and improved GPU. I don't think we'll see much else. We certainly won't see a new design -- apple tends to stick with the same design for a few years -- and we certainly won't see back lit keyboards.
I'd agree with that to the word, except for the GPU, unless you consider the Intel integrated graphics an improvement, which has been debated.

onthecouchagain
May 7, 2011, 01:00 AM
It'll be interesting to also see how the battery life will change.

My prediction? Either it'll stay the same or improve slightly.

Obi Wan Kenobi
May 7, 2011, 02:45 AM
I'm repeatedly tempted by the MBA. But not quite enough to buy one, yet.

The first iterations were too expensive for what they were (and they weren't much lighter than the MBPs). The latest ones are much better, but the 11inch model is lacking in two areas that matter to me - battery life and backlit keyboard.

Battery life matters in such a portable computer. The more portable the computer, the more that battery life matters. Once you have to carry a charger, as well as the computer, the advantage of being super-portable is lost.

My Alu MB, has a backlit keyboard, and whilst I understand that it's not essential, it's one of those features that, once you have it, you don't want to do without it. I understand that may impact battery life, but in poor lighting conditions, it does make a difference.
:cool:

Undo Redo
May 7, 2011, 07:55 AM
I'm repeatedly tempted by the MBA. But not quite enough to buy one, yet.

The first iterations were too expensive for what they were (and they weren't much lighter than the MBPs). The latest ones are much better, but the 11inch model is lacking in two areas that matter to me - battery life and backlit keyboard.

Battery life matters in such a portable computer. The more portable the computer, the more that battery life matters. Once you have to carry a charger, as well as the computer, the advantage of being super-portable is lost.

My Alu MB, has a backlit keyboard, and whilst I understand that it's not essential, it's one of those features that, once you have it, you don't want to do without it. I understand that may impact battery life, but in poor lighting conditions, it does make a difference.
:cool:
Batteries are heavy, so the bigger the battery, the less portable the computer. Compromises have to be made as battery technology slowly improves. Apple's charger weighs about 6.5 ounces. I'm not sure how I would want to compromise, with a heavier computer, or by carrying the charger occasionally.

Beau10
May 7, 2011, 08:36 AM
Unfortunately, you cannot do it later if you have to, as RAM is soldered on the board.

Still it's a bad purchase if you don't need it. That's 10% the cost of a consumable good for something may need at some later date. In the world of Apple resale is king, so really, you have little to lose and may even come out ahead in the slight chance you find that you do need it but will be buying it in the form of a newer machine. When you buy commonly stocked (ie. non-bto) models you have the ability to easily get these from 3rd party resellers at a price below Apple, incentives, tax free, etc. Or from Apple the stock of refurbs is much greater and easier to attain. When you take a product deeper into the consumer/commodity space, the upgrades you purchased a year or two back are that much more worthless - because now you're selling to the group of people who don't need the latest and greatest, they just want a MBA.

Many of the folks on this forum who max out their MBAs - sometimes under the guise of future proofing - seem to be people who upgrade fairly often and rarely seem to put forth sound use cases into their choice... not saying that they don't exist, just that it can seem to be an emotional thing. And then they think it applies to everyone.

MBABuyer
May 7, 2011, 08:49 AM
Is there a link to match this info?

Here is the link to the article:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/04/22/apple_to_begin_production_of_thunderbolt_macbook_airs_next_month.html

onthecouchagain
May 7, 2011, 11:06 AM
The only reason Apple may bump up the base RAM from 2GB to 4GB is perhaps to accomodate to Lion? I don't know if it might require it, or maybe Apple wants it to run just as smooth on the Airs? Maybe it can already on 2GB?

Pure speculation.

It's wishful thinking, but I'm hoping to see bump ups for the base SSD storage space and RAM, but I predict both will remain the same. Also would love to see an increase in battery life. Time will tell this Summer...

Project
May 7, 2011, 12:49 PM
Nevermind 4... i'm kind of hoping that 8GB will at least be an option, for running Windows 7 in VMWare. Prepared to pay the Apple RAM price gouging for it too.

mayhone1
May 7, 2011, 12:52 PM
Thanks for the link!:apple:

Here is the link to the article:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/04/22/apple_to_begin_production_of_thunderbolt_macbook_airs_next_month.html

striker33
May 7, 2011, 02:51 PM
The SB processors will support up to 8GB of RAM. So a bump in RAM isnt entirely out of the question.

revelated
May 7, 2011, 03:17 PM
Apple stated that the new Macbook Air is gonna be the future of all MacBooks.

Source?

Let me be clear now as I know someone will give something that is not a valid source.

I'm looking for an authorized Apple employee stating on the record that "the (new) MacBook Air IS GONNA BE the future of ALL MacBooks".

Statements that "Well, I think that the form factor might be..." nuh uh. DEFINITIVE Source please.

TrollToddington
May 7, 2011, 03:36 PM
Source?

Let me be clear now as I know someone will give something that is not a valid source.

I'm looking for an authorized Apple employee stating on the record that "the (new) MacBook Air IS GONNA BE the future of ALL MacBooks".

Statements that "Well, I think that the form factor might be..." nuh uh. DEFINITIVE Source please.I think it was something the one and only Steve Jobs has said.

Project
May 7, 2011, 03:38 PM
Jobs definitely said it when he introduced it. What he meant exactly is up for debate.

maclaptop
May 7, 2011, 03:40 PM
Does anyone think thunderbolt and 4gb memory as a start will be on the next update in MacBook Air?

ANY Question about Apple's future models, is IMPOSSIBLE to answer, period.

Especially during this transitional period.

Apple is working feverishly to reshape personal computing to their liking, and shoving it down everyone elses throat.

They are super obsessed about forcing their "Post PC" kool-aid on everyone.

Furthermore, they're hell bent on accelerating this to completion, before anyone outside of their "Walled Garden" realizes what hit them.

Apple... What a group

revelated
May 7, 2011, 09:04 PM
Jobs definitely said it when he introduced it. What he meant exactly is up for debate.

I sincerely do not believe he did. I recall the Keynote you're referring to, and I'm about 85% certain he said that he FEELS that the Air's form factor is the way notebooks are going to go in the future. Nothing specifically about MacBook Pro, nor was it a definitive.

If someone can point me back to that Keynote (as I don't remember the specific date) where he said it, I'd be happy to retract.

EDIT: Nevermind, Thank you ZDNet:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/macbook-air-and-the-future-of-notebooks/8511


At the rollout event, Jobs said: ‘We asked ourselves, “What would happen if a MacBook and an iPad hooked up?’ Well, this is the result. … We think it’s the future of notebooks.”

torbjoern
May 7, 2011, 09:25 PM
My Alu MB, has a backlit keyboard, and whilst I understand that it's not essential, it's one of those features that, once you have it, you don't want to do without it. I understand that may impact battery life, but in poor lighting conditions, it does make a difference.
:cool:
I know very well what you mean. I had the Alu MB (w/backlit KB), same as yours and got used to the beauty of it. I was very reluctant to buy the Air which I have now - for that very same reason: No backlit keyboard - WTF? It has to be mentioned that I have been a habile touch-typist for more than 15 years, but still I wanted the backlit keyboard so much when I had gotten used to it.

But when I tried typing on the keyboard of the Air, the tactile feedback was so much better than with the MB... which feels like a plastic-rubber-mat in comparison. You should try it, too. Right then, I was convinced - and I decided to buy the Air anyway. Never looked back.

Project
May 8, 2011, 03:18 AM
I sincerely do not believe he did. I recall the Keynote you're referring to, and I'm about 85% certain he said that he FEELS that the Air's form factor is the way notebooks are going to go in the future. Nothing specifically about MacBook Pro, nor was it a definitive.

If someone can point me back to that Keynote (as I don't remember the specific date) where he said it, I'd be happy to retract.

EDIT: Nevermind, Thank you ZDNet:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/macbook-air-and-the-future-of-notebooks/8511

You are confirming what the OP said - that future MBPs are likely to be more MBA-like than not, as Apple feel that the form factor is the future of notebooks. The tapering, the lack of optical drive, SSD etc. And last time I checked, the MBP is a notebook.

I can totally see the lines merging at some point. I think the MBP will ship with SSD as standard sooner rather than later. Once 256 and 512gb become compatible with their margins.

With Lion shipping predominantly in the App Store, that optical drive will soon become optional. And with the MBA likely to get Thunderbolt one of the big "Pro" differentiators of expandability is wiped out.

Let's not forget the Air already has a higher resolution @ the same screen size.

Obi Wan Kenobi
May 8, 2011, 09:19 AM
Batteries are heavy, so the bigger the battery, the less portable the computer. Compromises have to be made as battery technology slowly improves. Apple's charger weighs about 6.5 ounces. I'm not sure how I would want to compromise, with a heavier computer, or by carrying the charger occasionally.

I get that. And I know that with time, the battery life will improve, as the science improves. In the interim, I don't need to trade one 5 hour life MacBook for another.

zer0tails
May 8, 2011, 11:15 AM
I would love to see the black border glass screens on the new macbook airs!

Undo Redo
May 8, 2011, 11:22 AM
I would love to see the black border glass screens on the new macbook airs!
Please no! Apple has sensibly made a half step away from glassy screens with the Air.

mayhone1
May 8, 2011, 11:59 AM
I was also wondering does anyone think we'll see a SDXC card slot in the next macbook airs instead of just SD ?

JusChexin
May 8, 2011, 12:59 PM
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I would love to see the black border glass screens on the new macbook airs!

I totally agree with you -- those screens are super sexy. I hate the white border on my 2007 MacBook. Edge-to-edge glass is sexy! :-)

josh2012
May 8, 2011, 01:24 PM
I was also wondering does anyone think we'll see a SDXC card slot in the next macbook airs instead of just SD ?

They already are SDHC not just SD, but will likely follow suit with the MBP's and iMac's to SDXC.

striker33
May 8, 2011, 02:33 PM
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I totally agree with you -- those screens are super sexy. I hate the white border on my 2007 MacBook. Edge-to-edge glass is sexy! :-)

Why are people so attracted to shiny crap? Everything that is released that is super shiny either scratches, damages, gets dirty, or is completely unpractical to the extreme.

The sooner matte screens become the standard across laptops again the better.

alexandero
May 8, 2011, 04:10 PM
The sooner matte screens become the standard across laptops again the better.

Not only across laptops - the iMac has the same problem of a highly irritating screen.

Undo Redo
May 8, 2011, 06:58 PM
I totally agree with you -- those screens are super sexy. I hate the white border on my 2007 MacBook. Edge-to-edge glass is sexy! :-)
I take it you've never seen an attractive woman (or man) before. :)

Edge to edge glass is also heavy, and highly reflective. Ugh. But I'm really tired of the gloss/matte debate. :rolleyes:

striker33
May 8, 2011, 07:09 PM
not only across laptops - the imac has the same problem of a highly irritating screen.

+1

Plus I think the Imac / ACD would look awesome with silver borders, like the older ACDs.

striker33
May 8, 2011, 07:11 PM
I take it you've never seen an attractive woman (or man) before. :)

Edge to edge glass is also heavy, and highly reflective. Ugh. But I'm really tired of the gloss/matte debate. :rolleyes:

The weight is one of the primary reasons Apple will NEVER add it to the MBA.

JusChexin
May 8, 2011, 07:43 PM
Calm down everyone; I'm just saying I think the MacBook Pro screen is highly attractive. I understand the practicality of and the arguments for a matte screen. My personal opinion is that the glossy edge-to-edge glass screen just looks really "snazzy". I understand because of a glass screen's weight that it probably won't get put into the MacBook Air. I'm just saying I like it, you totally can disagree, relax! :D

Undo Redo
May 8, 2011, 07:50 PM
Calm down everyone; I'm just saying I think the MacBook Pro screen is highly attractive... I'm just saying I like it, you totally can disagree, relax! :D
I guess I like the way it looks too, when the computer is turned off. :D

revelated
May 8, 2011, 07:52 PM
You are confirming what the OP said - that future MBPs are likely to be more MBA-like than not, as Apple feel that the form factor is the future of notebooks.


No, that is NOT what Apple said. Stop misreading things. You're leaping to conclusions based on an iffy statement. This is the problem with Apple and their fans - you hinge on every single damn word they say even if the words are said in passing (which is why they don't do press releases of new upcoming things, because they know you people do that crap). You also take released products as an indicator of things to come JUST because of the MacBook's evolution. STOP DOING THAT.

If Barack Obama said "you know, I think we're seeing the possible future of travel, with high speed rail" - oh wait, he DID say that. Guess what? It'll never happen in the US.

Just because someone says they think something is the future, doesn't mean it is. Nor is it definitive confirmation that anything is going to change with respect to any given product.

People are pissy about the MBA and backlighting - why? Because the previous revision had backlighting so people ASSUME every MacBook should have it and get pissy when one comes out that doesn't.

People are pissy about the iPod Nano - why? Because the previous revision had physical keys AND the screen so people ASSUME that every new Nano should add more and not take away.

People are pissy about the Ipad 2 - why? Because of some off-the-wall rumor that it would have a USB 2.0 port. Came out of someone's rear end yet people are hell-to-fire about it not being there.

If you people want your slim machine buy the Air. If you want a power machine buy the Pro. The Pro's thickness is pushing it for a machine with as much horsepower as it has. Can you imagine having a quad core i7 in a machine with NO ventilation like the Air? Makes no sense. People have reported temperatures pushing degrees Celsius and that's with chassis room to breathe. Putting that kind of power in the Air is asking for a McDonalds Hot Coffee-ish lawsuit.

I'm waiting for a DEFINITIVE STATEMENT of Steve Jobs or another authorized Apple representative saying, without fluff, "THE MACBOOK PRO WILL BE SLIM GOING FORWARD". You won't find it, because it'll never be said, because it wouldn't make sense to do that.

Undo Redo
May 8, 2011, 08:09 PM
Jobs said: "It is our new MacBook Air. And we think it is the future of notebooks." Read into that what you will. I take it to mean lighter, thinner and able to slice bread. :)

revelated
May 8, 2011, 09:52 PM
Jobs said: "It is our new MacBook Air. And we think it is the future of notebooks." Read into that what you will. I take it to mean lighter, thinner and able to slice bread. :)

"Think" is not definitive. "Notebooks" is not specific. For all we know, he meant he's going to discontinue the regular MacBook in favor of the Air.

Undo Redo
May 8, 2011, 10:20 PM
"Think" is not definitive. "Notebooks" is not specific. For all we know, he meant he's going to discontinue the regular MacBook in favor of the Air.
...which may well happen soon.

You are correct. Nothing definitive was said. But just because Jobs said "we think" doesn't mean they don't have plans. I think it's logical that it means Apple notebooks will take a sleeker form and that they will be lighter. What else might the statement mean? That notebooks will all be named MacBook Air? That they will all have 11" and 13" screens? Not likely.

I agree with you that Apple isn't going to be able to put a processor like the quad core i7 into the current MacBook Air case. But I bet in the next couple of years, they're going to try. And that by the end of 2012 all MacBooks including the high end models will be much thinner and lighter. And that they'll all lose the optical drive and spinning hard drive. After all, isn't the company called Apple Thin, Inc? :)

Project
May 9, 2011, 02:17 AM
No, that is NOT what Apple said. Stop misreading things. You're leaping to conclusions based on an iffy statement. This is the problem with Apple and their fans - you hinge on every single damn word they say even if the words are said in passing (which is why they don't do press releases of new upcoming things, because they know you people do that crap). You also take released products as an indicator of things to come JUST because of the MacBook's evolution. STOP DOING THAT.

If Barack Obama said "you know, I think we're seeing the possible future of travel, with high speed rail" - oh wait, he DID say that. Guess what? It'll never happen in the US.

Just because someone says they think something is the future, doesn't mean it is. Nor is it definitive confirmation that anything is going to change with respect to any given product.

People are pissy about the MBA and backlighting - why? Because the previous revision had backlighting so people ASSUME every MacBook should have it and get pissy when one comes out that doesn't.

People are pissy about the iPod Nano - why? Because the previous revision had physical keys AND the screen so people ASSUME that every new Nano should add more and not take away.

People are pissy about the Ipad 2 - why? Because of some off-the-wall rumor that it would have a USB 2.0 port. Came out of someone's rear end yet people are hell-to-fire about it not being there.

If you people want your slim machine buy the Air. If you want a power machine buy the Pro. The Pro's thickness is pushing it for a machine with as much horsepower as it has. Can you imagine having a quad core i7 in a machine with NO ventilation like the Air? Makes no sense. People have reported temperatures pushing degrees Celsius and that's with chassis room to breathe. Putting that kind of power in the Air is asking for a McDonalds Hot Coffee-ish lawsuit.

I'm waiting for a DEFINITIVE STATEMENT of Steve Jobs or another authorized Apple representative saying, without fluff, "THE MACBOOK PRO WILL BE SLIM GOING FORWARD". You won't find it, because it'll never be said, because it wouldn't make sense to do that.

Haha, calm down. It is you who is misreading things. Absolutely nowhere in my post did I imply anything was definite. All I said was "more likely". Given the way the industry is moving, I'd argue that it is a fairly safe bet. But of course nothing is definite, and I never said it was.

And I suggest you look further than 12 months down the line, if your only argument against this is that the i7 will run too hot for the MBA. Unless of course you assume that there will be no improvements to power consumption and chassis design ever.

Looking at how Apple operate I'd say that three distinct laptop lines makes little sense in the coming years, with so little in the way of spec to separate them. I'm not saying that the Pro moniker will cease - clearly there needs to be an upsell. But my view is that the upsell will move increasingly towards the likes of storage, processor and memory rather than form factor and missing functionality. Kind of how there is only one iPhone 4 form factor, only one iPad or iPod touch, but differentiated by storage.

Or how there is only one Mac Pro, iMac and Mac Mini.... The laptop line is unnecessarily convoluted.

LeftyHogan
May 9, 2011, 09:51 PM
What are the odds the new MBA will have the option to upgrade to 8 gigs of memory? As a MBP user who wants to switch to the Air, 4 gigs doesnt seem like enough.

revelated
May 9, 2011, 10:39 PM
Haha, calm down. It is you who is misreading things. Absolutely nowhere in my post did I imply anything was definite. All I said was "more likely". Given the way the industry is moving, I'd argue that it is a fairly safe bet. But of course nothing is definite, and I never said it was.

And I suggest you look further than 12 months down the line, if your only argument against this is that the i7 will run too hot for the MBA. Unless of course you assume that there will be no improvements to power consumption and chassis design ever.

Looking at how Apple operate I'd say that three distinct laptop lines makes little sense in the coming years, with so little in the way of spec to separate them. I'm not saying that the Pro moniker will cease - clearly there needs to be an upsell. But my view is that the upsell will move increasingly towards the likes of storage, processor and memory rather than form factor and missing functionality. Kind of how there is only one iPhone 4 form factor, only one iPad or iPod touch, but differentiated by storage.

Or how there is only one Mac Pro, iMac and Mac Mini.... The laptop line is unnecessarily convoluted.

The only "convolution" is the poly MacBook, which has long since been made redundant. But there is nothing convoluted about having two form factors for laptops. Choice is NOT a bad thing.

Having the Air for those people who don't do hardcore work, and the Pro for people like me that think faster than their computer can render windows and screens, is the best thing Apple could have done. They need to leave it that way. No, quad core processor cooling isn't going to get much better than what we've got going on right now which is why there are rumors about Apple going to ARM, which I find to be a smart bet for the MacBook Air especially due to its slim size. To me that just makes sense to do. But the powerhouse processors? No, there needs to be room to breathe, period. The Pro's size is just about thin enough not to be clunky, but not so thin that it's a turnoff for power users.

All it takes is for Apple to kill off backlighting in the Pro, and I swear i'll be headed back to Windows laptops. Too much change isn't good. Choice is always good.

MBABuyer
May 10, 2011, 06:00 AM
If Barack Obama said "you know, I think we're seeing the possible future of travel, with high speed rail" - oh wait, he DID say that. Guess what? It'll never happen in the US.



What about the high speed rail systems already under construction in California, and in the late stages of planning for the Northeast....bad example you gave.

Here are 2 links:

http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/newsfacts.aspx

http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/project_vision.aspx

theSeb
May 10, 2011, 06:15 AM
...which may well happen soon.

You are correct. Nothing definitive was said. But just because Jobs said "we think" doesn't mean they don't have plans. I think it's logical that it means Apple notebooks will take a sleeker form and that they will be lighter. What else might the statement mean? That notebooks will all be named MacBook Air? That they will all have 11" and 13" screens? Not likely.

I agree with you that Apple isn't going to be able to put a processor like the quad core i7 into the current MacBook Air case. But I bet in the next couple of years, they're going to try. And that by the end of 2012 all MacBooks including the high end models will be much thinner and lighter. And that they'll all lose the optical drive and spinning hard drive. After all, isn't the company called Apple Thin, Inc? :)
The apple MBA site says, "The next generation of MacBooks". I don't think you can read too much into that.

42streetsdown
May 10, 2011, 06:31 AM
-- and we certainly won't see back lit keyboards.

That's too bad. Lack of a backlit keyboard is one of the only things that turns me off to the air.

42streetsdown
May 10, 2011, 06:36 AM
The only reason Apple may bump up the base RAM from 2GB to 4GB is perhaps to accomodate to Lion? I don't know if it might require it, or maybe Apple wants it to run just as smooth on the Airs? Maybe it can already on 2GB?

Pure speculation.

It's wishful thinking, but I'm hoping to see bump ups for the base SSD storage space and RAM, but I predict both will remain the same. Also would love to see an increase in battery life. Time will tell this Summer...

You don't need 4 gigs of RAM to run the OS. I was running Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard just fine on just 1 GB of RAM for a long time.

parestailor
May 10, 2011, 04:11 PM
hell no, Apple stated that the new Macbook Air is gonna be the future of all MacBooks. so i think the next MBP will follow the shape of Macbook air but a little bit thicker than the current Air.

totally agree...

but i bet... the air gets a tiny bit thinner, it would not surprise me! not much but maybe a few millimeters (mm).


:)

parestailor
May 10, 2011, 04:14 PM
Please no! Apple has sensibly made a half step away from glassy screens with the Air.

it will add to the weight, its all about making the air feel like they float on the end of a balloon

vingochr
May 10, 2011, 06:56 PM
If you want to check out some of the CPU speculation on the MBA, check out http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1103979

Cheffy Dave
May 10, 2011, 07:11 PM
I'd agree, but for different reasons. Apple doesn't care if you buy an Air or a Pro if the margins are the same, and they likely are. Apple makes a bundle of money selling the extra 2GB of memory to those who need it. And I don't think most people really need it. If they're "power users," they'll get the Pro or up the memory for $100. I get along just fine with 2GB of memory in my Air, since I usually only have a few lightweight programs running. I'm glad I didn't waste $100 on more memory.

$100 is not a bundle

KylePowers
May 10, 2011, 07:31 PM
$100 is not a bundle

When it probably costs Apple ~$10* to use 2x2GB RAM vs 2x1GB RAM, that's quite a large profit... especially after millions** of orders ($90x$1,000,000 = $90,000,000). I'd call that a bundle.

*Not sure how much they get RAM for, but I mean, the average consumer can get 2x2GB RAM online for in the $30s... surely Apple gets some nice wholesale prices (and 1/3rd isn't exactly unimaginable)
**No idea how many MBAs have been sold

Undo Redo
May 10, 2011, 10:43 PM
Apple plays the upgrade game all the time, and quite successfully. People are convinced they must have x feature and will pay much more than it's worth to "future proof" their Macs.

Since before the days Apple put combo drives in their low end Macs, when Superdrives were the industry standard, and cheap, Apple has been doing it time and time again.

I just won't bite, unless a feature is absolutely necessary. I nearly always buy the low end Mac and sell it at a small loss in a year or two. Then I buy the low end again, which is much better than last year's high end. I save a "bundle." :)

Patrick946
May 11, 2011, 10:36 AM
I just won't bite, unless a feature is absolutely necessary. I nearly always buy the low end Mac and sell it at a small loss in a year or two. Then I buy the low end again, which is much better than last year's high end. I save a "bundle." :)

I feel the same way mostly, but I'm considering upgrading the memory from 2GB to 4GB. Having to buy a new computer more and more frequently would end up costing a lot too. Paying an extra $100 now isn't going to future proof my mac, but maybe it will keep it relevant for an extra year. The question isn't whether I want to spend money or not, it's whether spending a little more now will save me a little more down the road. Here's a generalized example:

I can spend $1,000 every three years on a new base macbook, or spend $1,100 every four years. After 12 years, the first option will cost me $4,000, while the second option will only cost me $3,300.

Now of course some upgrades will be more expensive and will do less for the life of a computer, but doubling the RAM for $100 seems like a good investment (or as good as we're going to get from Apple).

Undo Redo
May 11, 2011, 11:00 AM
I feel the same way mostly, but I'm considering upgrading the memory from 2GB to 4GB. Having to buy a new computer more and more frequently would end up costing a lot too. Paying an extra $100 now isn't going to future proof my mac, but maybe it will keep it relevant for an extra year. The question isn't whether I want to spend money or not, it's whether spending a little more now will save me a little more down the road. Here's a generalized example:

I can spend $1,000 every three years on a new base macbook, or spend $1,100 every four years. After 12 years, the first option will cost me $4,000, while the second option will only cost me $3,300.
Don't forget resale value which after four years would likely be much less than after three years. But your point is a good one. Generally I find I can't, or don't want to wait four or even three years for a new computer. So trying to future proof usually seems a waste of my money (although resale value might come into that too).


Now of course some upgrades will be more expensive and will do less for the life of a computer, but doubling the RAM for $100 seems like a good investment (or as good as we're going to get from Apple).
Absolutely, if you need the memory or if you think you might before you replace the computer, go for it. If you don't, then it might just be a waste of money. I take issue with those who think upping the price of a MacBook Air by 10% is always a good idea for everyone, explaining that it's only a little bit of money.

Mobius 1
May 11, 2011, 11:14 AM
Ivy Bridge up to 2.4 GHz turbo boost to 3.0

4GB 1333MHz off-board (up to 8GB)

nVidia 330GT w/512MB shared

ability to upgrade processor on base 13" (apple you cheated in the 2010MBA)

Overclocking Safe

BACKLIT KEYBOARD

striker33
May 11, 2011, 01:03 PM
Ivy Bridge up to 2.4 GHz turbo boost to 3.0

4GB 1333MHz off-board (up to 8GB)

nVidia 330GT w/512MB shared

ability to upgrade processor on base 13" (apple you cheated in the 2010MBA)

Overclocking Safe

BACKLIT KEYBOARD

No chance of a dedicated gfx card anytime soon. Better integrated graphics for ivy bridge though.

Cheffy Dave
May 11, 2011, 04:55 PM
When it probably costs Apple ~$10* to use 2x2GB RAM vs 2x1GB RAM, that's quite a large profit... especially after millions** of orders ($90x$1,000,000 = $90,000,000). I'd call that a bundle.

*Not sure how much they get RAM for, but I mean, the average consumer can get 2x2GB RAM online for in the $30s... surely Apple gets some nice wholesale prices (and 1/3rd isn't exactly unimaginable)
**No idea how many MBAs have been sold

That's why you never buy :apple: RAM, case in point 16 GB RAM at OWC is $207 for an iMac, :apple: wants $600, if you don't know any better you buy it.
The $100 :apple: wants additional for 4GB is reasonable, sure it adds up, but that's called business and profits, you can't hold the fact that that fact is multiplied by all MBA sold, fact of life, profits add up:rolleyes:

Cheffy Dave
May 11, 2011, 05:14 PM
ANY Question about Apple's future models, is IMPOSSIBLE to answer, period.

Especially during this transitional period.

Apple is working feverishly to reshape personal computing to their liking, and shoving it down everyone elses throat.

They are super obsessed about forcing their "Post PC" kool-aid on everyone.

Furthermore, they're hell bent on accelerating this to completion, before anyone outside of their "Walled Garden" realizes what hit them.

Apple... What a group
I assume then you have no apple products, and exist here just to troll:rolleyes: