More on Mac OS X Tiger on April 15th [Archive]

MacRumors

Mar 15, 2005, 05:25 AM

eWeek provides (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1776012,00.asp) confirmation that Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) will be released on April 15th, 2005.

Sources told eWEEK.com that Apple plans to make copies of Tiger available in its own retail stores as well as through independent dealers by April 15, with the official announcement of the product coming earlier in the month.

This provides confirmation to a previous report (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/03/20050311160549.shtml) by ThinkSecret indicating the same.

More information on Tiger can be found at Apple.com (http://www.apple.com/macosx/).

jayray

Mar 15, 2005, 05:28 AM

This seems awful close to April Fool's day!

d.perel

Mar 15, 2005, 05:33 AM

Is this the news we have been waiting for? :D Or is it another missed guess?

Edit: I guess if it is "confirmed" then it must be true, but what will the new other products be?

dollystereo

Mar 15, 2005, 05:34 AM

YEA!!!! wi are gonna see our little cat soon!

Philsy

Mar 15, 2005, 05:34 AM

If this was the case, surely Apple would be promoting the fact wildly. It is, after all, only a month away. If I was about to launch a new product I'd be getting new and old customers excited by it.

HAViK

Mar 15, 2005, 05:35 AM

Hmmm... fact or faux or fact or faux or fact...? I sure hope so. Someone buy up my graphics card now so that I can have some cash to run to the apple store on the 15th. =D Time to go on a collection spree from my clients again.

dermeister

Mar 15, 2005, 05:36 AM

If so, what is the final build code?

tny

Mar 15, 2005, 05:37 AM

If this was the case, surely Apple would be promoting the fact wildly. It is, after all, only a month away. If I was about to launch a new product I'd be getting new and old customers excited by it.

They have been: via WWDC, via ADC, via the Tiger pages on their website, and possibly via these "leaks" (i.e., it is not unknown for a company to leak information as a form of viral marketing).

manu chao

Mar 15, 2005, 05:37 AM

So what are the bets that 10.3.9 will come out before 10.4.0?

Philsy

Mar 15, 2005, 05:39 AM

They have been: via WWDC, via ADC, via the Tiger pages on their website, and possibly via these "leaks" (i.e., it is not unknown for a company to leak information as a form of viral marketing).

True, but I'd want to be taking orders at this late stage.

IDANNY

Mar 15, 2005, 05:40 AM

I cant wait :) . I hope it comes out soon. All those features !!

Bear

Mar 15, 2005, 05:42 AM

True, but I'd want to be taking orders at this late stage.Actually if they take orders starting by the beginning of April, that's enough time to set things up for shipping.

Bear

Mar 15, 2005, 05:44 AM

eWeek provides (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1776012,00.asp) confirmation that Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) will be released on April 15th, 2005.
...
This provides confirmation to a previous report (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/03/20050311160549.shtml) by ThinkSecret indicating the same.
...I wonder if this is another instance of reporting things found at a rumor site? Is wondering this cyncical of me? Probably, but the thought is there anyway.

deanbo

Mar 15, 2005, 05:48 AM

Only a month to go!

iJaz

Mar 15, 2005, 05:48 AM

It's a joke, here's the proof:
as well as through independent dealers
Apple will probably not give Tiger to independent dealers within 2 months after the release... ;)

tingkumajique

Mar 15, 2005, 05:48 AM

hi... just wondering if anyone could help...

since Tiger is launching soon... does this mean if i buy panther today, i would get a free upgrade coz i just bought mine last week... *ARGH!!!*

Littleodie914

Mar 15, 2005, 05:51 AM

hi... just wondering if anyone could help...

since Tiger is launching soon... does this mean if i buy panther today, i would get a free upgrade coz i just bought mine last week... *ARGH!!!*Wait, if Tiger's launching this soon, why would you bother purchasing Panther only to upgrade weeks later? :confused:

Philsy

Mar 15, 2005, 06:05 AM

It's a joke, here's the proof:

Apple will probably not give Tiger to independent dealers within 2 months after the release... ;)

Pretty poor show doing an April Fool before 1st April, if that's the case

tingkumajique

Mar 15, 2005, 06:06 AM

ah well... damage has been done... could i still save myself?

zac4mac

Mar 15, 2005, 06:18 AM

Bear - "I wonder if this is another instance of reporting things found at a rumor site? Is wondering this cyncical of me? Probably, but the thought is there anyway."

I was thinking the same thing. Also, remember, April 1 is Apple's birthday.
I very strongly believe that Tiger will be out in time for NAB (Apr16-20).

Z

Stella

Mar 15, 2005, 06:24 AM

From people who get developer builds, sounds like Apple are rushing it.

Hope its not a highly buggy initial release.

tombeck

Mar 15, 2005, 06:25 AM

eWeek provides (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1776012,00.asp) confirmation that Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) will be released on April 15th, 2005.

eWeek doesn't really provide confirmation, they just recapitulate what they read on ThinkSecret.

Roller

Mar 15, 2005, 06:26 AM

BornAgainMac

Mar 15, 2005, 06:34 AM

I can just see them compiling it after fixing some new bugs only minutes before creating the final install disks.

liketom

Mar 15, 2005, 06:34 AM

thinking 1st april : MY BIRTHDAY lol i know before you all stump in all the fool jokes lol. mmm is it also apple's birthday too ?

i would think we would get a countdown timer anytime soon from apple

748s

Mar 15, 2005, 06:35 AM

I very strongly believe that Tiger will be out in time for NAB (Apr16-20).
Z

all the indicators are pointing to tiger for nab. i went with tiger on the 16th, dual 3ghz PM's on the 19th. nab was the most logical time for tiger to be released, for all the new pro video app upgrades. just over 2 weeks until the front page of apple.com shows "tiger available in xx days

nesbitt_a

Mar 15, 2005, 06:36 AM

Even if this is true, I think I'm going to wait until June to install it, which is when I thought Tiger would ship. From what I've read, Tiger is still buggy, and I don't believe that it'll be ready for prime time this soon.

I agree. I've just ordered a new PowerBook G4 and won't be installing Tiger on it until at least 10.4.2, giving Apple a chance to iron out the initial bugs.

On a side note, Apple could have always stopped seeding its internal builds to developers, and actually be working with much more advanced inside builds of the product that we think. I'll be watching the Apple.com homepage today around 9am EST for a Tiger countdown clock appearing. After all, today is the Tuesday, one month before the suggested release date.

Friday 15th would tie in with 'Night of the Tiger' promotions too.

fraggle

Mar 15, 2005, 06:43 AM

... as I just got my shiny new 17" PowerBook last week...

iindigo

Mar 15, 2005, 06:43 AM

Well, the way I see it, Apple's current internal builds are probably a lot better than the last seed (Feb27/28)... I'm expecting Apple to release a build for seeding pretty soon.

iindigo

Mar 15, 2005, 06:46 AM

Another thought - what if Apple is playing with us by decreasing the seeds so we'll dismiss the April first thing as a bad rumor? I know, probably not, but it's a possibility.

nesbitt_a

Mar 15, 2005, 06:50 AM

Well, the way I see it, Apple's current internal builds are probably a lot better than the last seed (Feb27/28)... I'm expecting Apple to release a build for seeding pretty soon.

If anything apple will ramp up seeding if a final release is on its way.

~loserman~

Mar 15, 2005, 06:50 AM

The best part about Tiger releasing on April 15 will be that they will have time to make at least two update releases by June.

10.4.2 by WWDC yea!

tingkumajique

Mar 15, 2005, 06:56 AM

well... that's great and all... but could some one help me on this?

bought panther last week (forced to)... would i be eligible for a free upgrade if tiger does come out on april 1st?

thanks in advance

cal6n

Mar 15, 2005, 06:59 AM

Even if this is true, I think I'm going to wait until June to install it, which is when I thought Tiger would ship. From what I've read, Tiger is still buggy, and I don't believe that it'll be ready for prime time this soon.

Sod that! I've been running X since early Jaguar, when I first bought a modern mac & I went with Panther as soon as I legally could.

I've had no issues worth whining about with any of the point updates for either system.

If Apple says it's good enough, then it's good enough for me! Any minor issues, I can deal with. I only wish there was a legit way of running a beta without shelling out for full ADC membership.

If you're not living on the edge, then you're taking up too much space! :cool:

caveman_uk

Mar 15, 2005, 07:03 AM

bought panther last week (forced to)... would i be eligible for a free upgrade if tiger does come out on april 1st?

No, Apple only does up-to-dates after it has OFFICIALLY announced a product. It hasn't - as this is still just a rumour.

Bear

Mar 15, 2005, 07:16 AM

all the indicators are pointing to tiger for nab. i went with tiger on the 16th, dual 3ghz PM's on the 19th. nab was the most logical time for tiger to be released, for all the new pro video app upgrades. just over 2 weeks until the front page of apple.com shows "tiger available in xx daysThe scenario you give is a real possibility, but it's possible for Apple to announce the dates at NAB with the relase a couple of weeks after.

And one thing to add to what you've said, the high end has a real chance of being a dual core-dual proc 3GHz PowerMac. This would be an ideal system to announce at a place like NAB.

Philsy

Mar 15, 2005, 07:20 AM

Sod that! I've been running X since early Jaguar, when I first bought a modern mac & I went with Panther as soon as I legally could.

I've had no issues worth whining about with any of the point updates for either system.

If Apple says it's good enough, then it's good enough for me! Any minor issues, I can deal with. I only wish there was a legit way of running a beta without shelling out for full ADC membership.

If you're not living on the edge, then you're taking up too much space! :cool:

Purely out of interest, are there illegal beta copies out there for mere mortals like us to get hold of?

M@netic

Mar 15, 2005, 07:20 AM

I just received my first mac ever (12" pb) yesterday. Can I get a free upgrade? It's not fair!!

Platform

Mar 15, 2005, 07:24 AM

Well this shows just more and more that Tiger is comming VERY soon :D
Well the sooner the better ;)

Hoping for updated iMac's and PowerMac's ;)

iGary

Mar 15, 2005, 07:28 AM

Part of me is excited for this release, and part of me is a litte apprehensive considering they had a fairly long list of bugs yet to fix only a couple of weeks ago.

I may go to the release event and get some goodies on sale, but not necessarily the OS itself. :D

Chip NoVaMac

Mar 15, 2005, 07:29 AM

What I find interesting is that April 15th is US Income Tax deadline day. Could Apple have some super promotion planned?

MacsRgr8

Mar 15, 2005, 07:33 AM

If so, what is the final build code?

What is the latest Beta build? 8A393?
Only a couple of weeks to go... so maybe this could be called the GM already?

Sunrunner

Mar 15, 2005, 07:34 AM

Friday 15th would tie in with 'Night of the Tiger' promotions too.

How about 'Eye of the Tiger' promotions, lol.

:p

Philsy

Mar 15, 2005, 07:36 AM

How about 'Eye of the Tiger' promotions, lol.

:p

Let's hope the new OS is better than that song! :p

Sunrunner

Mar 15, 2005, 07:37 AM

What is the latest Beta build? 8A393?
Only a couple of weeks to go... so maybe this could be called the GM already?

8A393 was waaaay to buggy to be GM. I suspect we'll see another seed or two before GM....

liketom

Mar 15, 2005, 07:40 AM

How about 'Eye of the Tiger' promotions, lol.

:p
next you would want Rocky Balboa to turn up

Object-X

Mar 15, 2005, 07:46 AM

Better get my camping gear ready. :)

Savage Henry

Mar 15, 2005, 07:48 AM

All this is just phum and phooey.

Apple will release hardware updates of the iMac and Powermac under the cover of darkness in April ... causing many to run screaming to the shops to purchase .... and then have an entirely Software driven WWDC where they explore all the brilliant things you can now do on your new Mac (once you fork out even more money for the Tiger upgrade).

John Jacob

Mar 15, 2005, 07:50 AM

I agree. I've just ordered a new PowerBook G4 and won't be installing Tiger on it until at least 10.4.2, giving Apple a chance to iron out the initial bugs.

On a side note, Apple could have always stopped seeding its internal builds to developers, and actually be working with much more advanced inside builds of the product that we think. I'll be watching the Apple.com homepage today around 9am EST for a Tiger countdown clock appearing. After all, today is the Tuesday, one month before the suggested release date.

Friday 15th would tie in with 'Night of the Tiger' promotions too.

Same here. I didn't upgrade to Panther until 10.3.5. I think I was a little TOO cautious. I'll upgrade to Tiger when it reaches 10.4.4 :D

VicMacs

Mar 15, 2005, 07:59 AM

Eye Of The Tiger
Survivor

Risin' up, back on the street
Did my time, took my chances
Went the distance, now I'm back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive

So many times, it happens too fast
You trade your passion for glory
Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past
You must fight just to keep them alive

It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger

Face to face, out in the heat
Hangin' tough, stayin' hungry
They stack the odds, till we take to the street
For the kill with the skill to survive

It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger

Risin' up, straight to the top
Had the guts, got the glory
Went the distance, now I'm not gonna stop
Just a man and his will to survive

It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger

The eye of the tiger
The eye of the tiger
The eye of the tiger

Philsy

Mar 15, 2005, 08:00 AM

Arghhh!! A Microsoft of a song :eek:

Eye Of The Tiger
Survivor

Risin' up, back on the street
Did my time, took my chances
Went the distance, now I'm back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive

So many times, it happens too fast
You trade your passion for glory
Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past
You must fight just to keep them alive

It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger

Face to face, out in the heat
Hangin' tough, stayin' hungry
They stack the odds, till we take to the street
For the kill with the skill to survive

It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger

Risin' up, straight to the top
Had the guts, got the glory
Went the distance, now I'm not gonna stop
Just a man and his will to survive

It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger

The eye of the tiger
The eye of the tiger
The eye of the tiger

zelmo

Mar 15, 2005, 08:01 AM

I'm looking forward to getting Tiger as soon as it is available. I plan to camp at the Towson (Md.) store, and also pick up iLife '05 at the same time. Heck for another $300, I can get a Mini. Hmmm.......

Lepton

Mar 15, 2005, 08:03 AM

If anything apple will ramp up seeding if a final release is on its way.

Seed, seed, seed.... no seed... no seed.... release! I've heard this may be a typical cycle. For one, a company may have seeded enough to think they have a good bug list and only have to find bugs on the last small changes, which they can do internally. And, a purpose of seeding is to get feedback, and at the end of the cycle there is no time to receive and integrate the feedback.

So, possibly... No news is good news.

ziwi

Mar 15, 2005, 08:03 AM

This is great news - only question left is will there be a nice shiny new PM to run it on? Tax day is Tiger Day!!! Wooo-Hooo!

Bear

Mar 15, 2005, 08:08 AM

Purely out of interest, are there illegal beta copies out there for mere mortals like us to get hold of?This type of question is frowned upon here.

SiliconAddict

Mar 15, 2005, 08:10 AM

Philsy

Mar 15, 2005, 08:12 AM

This type of question is frowned upon here.

Ah, but I'm not asking for a copy, just curious as to whether such activity goes on. I don't want to install a beta on my Mac - don't have the time to risk a buggered system

Bear

Mar 15, 2005, 08:23 AM

Guys not to get too off topic but typically how long after release before we will see Apple hardware ship with the updated OS? I'm jonesing for a Mac Mini but it would be critically stupid to get one this close to launch and with a possible hardware refresh at WWDC. Possible. :confused:Once Apple announces Tiger, you should be eligable for the Up To Date program with any machine purchased after the announcement.

Once Tiger actually ships, current machines will start showing up with Tiger tossed into the system box. Existing models may or may not get Tiger pre-installed on them.

New models announced after Tiger is shipping will come with Tiger.

caveman_uk

Mar 15, 2005, 08:25 AM

Ah, but I'm not asking for a copy, just curious as to whether such activity goes on. I don't want to install a beta on my Mac - don't have the time to risk a buggered system
FYI, yes there were. I've seen people selling CDs/DVDs of betas on a certain large auction site. They also were doing the rounds on the usual p2p networks months back. I wasn't interested as I've got better things to do than download 2GB of buggy beta that could hose my data....

Philsy

Mar 15, 2005, 08:27 AM

FYI, yes there were. I've seen people selling CDs/DVDs of betas on a certain large auction site. They also were doing the rounds on the usual p2p networks months back. I wasn't interested as I've got better things to do than download 2GB of buggy beta that could hose my data....

Thanks - figured that would be the case.

A related question - anyone know how many official beta testers Apple has for Tiger?

Roz

Mar 15, 2005, 08:30 AM

Let's hope the new OS is better than that song! :p

What are you talking about?! "Eye of the Tiger" is one of the greatest songs of all time! lol!

jayscheuerle

Mar 15, 2005, 08:30 AM

Could it be that this release date is part of a debugging process meant to ferret out where their internal leaks are coming from?

MaximusNL

Mar 15, 2005, 08:31 AM

Well I think that the date mentioned in the newsflash could be the actual date for releasing Tiger. Mainly because Apple will have a decent period for shipping OS 10.4 to their Customers. Also this has an advantage for their WWDC upcomming in June. Because at this WWDC they can tell to the world how many Tiger Copies are shipped and/or are reserved by Apple Users.

If they are willing they may also update the PMG5 lines in order for me to buy a new Dual 2.0 with 512mb ram if the rumors are right and served with the delicious sauce of Tiger ;)

pimentoLoaf

Mar 15, 2005, 08:39 AM

Knowing that Tiger is available for pre-order, would we even bother to upgrade to X.3.9 ?

danr_97070

Mar 15, 2005, 08:42 AM

From people who get developer builds, sounds like Apple are rushing it.

Hope its not a highly buggy initial release.

Don't know if it's coming out in April or not (I'd rather see it stabilized a bit more myself). But... I have a stable system *now* albeit without all of Tiger's features.

I'll let all of you folks let me know where the bugs are and I'll move from one stable system to another when I stop hearing talk here about how unstable and buggy it is... several months from now... :D

Bear

Mar 15, 2005, 08:42 AM

Knowing that Tiger is available for pre-order, would we even bother to upgrade to X.3.9 ?That depends on each person needs.

Some people won't upgrade to Tiger for many months. Some may hae something fixed in 10.3.9 that they need immediately.

So I can see lots of people installing 10.3.9 and any other updates to 10.3 that may come out. Remember Apple is still providing security updates for 10.2.8.

uae

Mar 15, 2005, 09:09 AM

For all we know....their "source" is ThinkSecret.

GilGrissom

Mar 15, 2005, 09:10 AM

The whole topic of whether people get Tiger straight away, whenever it comes out, is really down to them. However it cannot be that buggy otherwise why would Apple release it? I thought this company were proud of their quality image? Also this is Apple we are talking about, not Microsoft! We dont want to wait 5+ years for an OS that is already out of date! Anyhoo, how perfect are most OSs on first release, despite how long they take to develop?? Nothing is perfect.

I can really understand large pro customers and businesses wanting to wait however, they do not have the luxoury of an immediate swap for the very latest thing like the normal everyday home user with money does!!

Also, on the whole topic of whether this is real or not, I can understand Apple wanting to fool TS and reveille their leaks, but why drag eWeek into this, who as far as I know have been pretty quite for Apple!...unless eWeek was not Apples intension and all this is indeed a stunt. But ofcourse TS could be the source, as my fellow forumer "uae" before has mentioned!! If not TS, another rumour site. These circles can be vicious!! Lets hope they dont bite us in the ass!!

If it is a hoax and a prank I think Apple will be playing a very dangerous game, because as this one forum shows, people one way or another are getting excited and worked up over it. If Apple do not release it in April like it is rumoured too, it may have a lot of unhappy customers and potential customers on their hand who may just get tired of waiting.

Also, linked with this, as said in a similar Tiger string by someone, why would Apple risk losing money from people not buying their hardware or software until Tiger came out?? If it is a hoax it could be dangerous, they may want t oget it out now the rumours are very hot and close even if they werent.

caveman_uk

Mar 15, 2005, 09:17 AM

The whole topic of whether people get Tiger straight away, whenever it comes out, is really down to them. However it cannot be that buggy otherwise why would Apple release it?
You should talk to the people who installed 10.3.0 and had firewire harddrives with a certain type of controller in them. A lot of them lost all their data due to one of Apple's little bugs. That's why 10.3.1 came out so quickly. Personally I'm happy with 10.3.x at least until 10.4.1 comes out.

maya

Mar 15, 2005, 09:18 AM

Tiger in April I say will happen indeed.

Since WWDC is in June, it's quite possible indeed. :)

Time to sell this notebook soon. ;) :)

patseguin

Mar 15, 2005, 09:21 AM

Anyone know how 6800 Ultra performance is under Tiger? I can't decide if I want to throw mine back in and sell my x800.

anikgol

Mar 15, 2005, 09:26 AM

great god apple is insane! it will be a buggy release!

theROZ

Mar 15, 2005, 09:30 AM

tiger will be released on the 15 because some of what Apple is going to release at NAB is tiger dependent.... shake 4...and the new mystery app...

prepare for the total domination...one os will rule them all...

shawnce

Mar 15, 2005, 09:32 AM

You should talk to the people who installed 10.3.0 and had firewire harddrives with a certain type of controller in them. A lot of them lost all their data due to one of Apple's little bugs. That's why 10.3.1 came out so quickly. Personally I'm happy with 10.3.x at least until 10.4.1 comes out.

It was combination bug, one that was caused by issues in the drive firmware the Apple's driver didn't gracefully deal with.

JeffTL

Mar 15, 2005, 09:36 AM

I'll be putting Tiget on at least one computer by September, most likely, and earlier than that if I decide to order a PowerBook in July.

jsw

Mar 15, 2005, 09:37 AM

Based upon the stability trending I've been seeing in beta releases, I'd be a bit wary of buying Tiger in mid-April. The end-of-February release was OK but not spectacular, and I'll be very impressed if they can work out the kinks by April. Possible, I suppose.

xsedrinam

Mar 15, 2005, 09:39 AM

Even if this is true, I think I'm going to wait until June to install it, which is when I thought Tiger would ship. From what I've read, Tiger is still buggy, and I don't believe that it'll be ready for prime time this soon.

Remember how threads and fora were lit up the first two weeks of Panther's release? There were train wrecks everywhere; some self inflicted of course, but the FW foible and other issues were not. I hope the reports hold up and that Tiger does come out on the 15th of April. Nonetheless, I will wait 'til all projects are done in June before I bolt for the new OS.
X

patseguin

Mar 15, 2005, 09:41 AM

great god apple is insane! it will be a buggy release!

Why do people keep saying that? Are the ones saying that actually testing the OS?

BillHarrison

Mar 15, 2005, 09:47 AM

Why do people keep saying that? Are the ones saying that actually testing the OS?

I honestly doubt they are. The last release had a SHORT, yes, I consider anything less than 20 items in something so complicated as OS X SHORT, list of bugs. People went haywire. Its not even close to ready they claimed. Trust me folks, they coulda rolled with it at that point. When its released, there WILL be bugs. Panther HAS BUGS. Any OS has bugs. Deal with it, get over it, and move on. Otherwise, find a nice secure version of dos, and enjoy.

I just really dont get these people saying its not close to ready, cuz of a short list of bugs. If you HONESTLY think apple is going to stop the release because of a few KNOWN issues, you must not know the computer industry very well. It is VERY common to install something, and right in the release notes they point out what does not work properly. Its called getting it out. It is something that just has to be done, you have to hit a point where you say:

Stamp it

And work it out as it comes. Such is life. Nothing is perfect. If apple puts it out, will it be bug free? I can guarantee it will not. Will it work on 99% of the computers it should without a hitch? Yes. And that, my friends, is all apple can shoot for. There will be issues, such is life. Back up your data, upgrade, and enjoy. If there is a problem, you have it all backed up, right?

Bill

NinjaMonkey

Mar 15, 2005, 09:48 AM

Why do people keep saying that? Are the ones saying that actually testing the OS?

I don't get it either. Even if they are testing it, it has been pretty clear that Apple's internal builds have been ahead of what has been released to ADC beta testers.

gopher

Mar 15, 2005, 09:49 AM

Someone is about to eat crow if confirmed reports are wrong. Apple still hasn't completely resolved the FW debacle. There are some scattered reports of it happening even on Apple's own discussions board. As far as I'm concerned I'll get Tiger if only to be prepared for the onslaught of questions when I give tech support. But I'm definitely going to http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html clone twice before making inroads on it.

This is going to be an interesting April.

iProbot

Mar 15, 2005, 09:50 AM

...If it is a hoax and a prank I think Apple will be playing a very dangerous game, because as this one forum shows, people one way or another are getting excited and worked up over it. If Apple do not release it in April like it is rumoured too, it may have a lot of unhappy customers and potential customers on their hand who may just get tired of waiting....

Well, if THAT'S the case, we better start a LOT of rumors about G5 Powerbooks next tuesday... ;) Oh. Wait! That already happened before....(I just can't wait! I'm sorry)

feakbeak

Mar 15, 2005, 10:12 AM

I honestly doubt they are. The last release had a SHORT, yes, I consider anything less than 20 items in something so complicated as OS X SHORT, list of bugs. People went haywire. Its not even close to ready they claimed. Trust me folks, they coulda rolled with it at that point. When its released, there WILL be bugs. Panther HAS BUGS. Any OS has bugs. Deal with it, get over it, and move on. Otherwise, find a nice secure version of dos, and enjoy.

I just really dont get these people saying its not close to ready, cuz of a short list of bugs. If you HONESTLY think apple is going to stop the release because of a few KNOWN issues, you must not know the computer industry very well. It is VERY common to install something, and right in the release notes they point out what does not work properly. Its called getting it out. It is something that just has to be done, you have to hit a point where you say:

Stamp it

And work it out as it comes. Such is life. Nothing is perfect. If apple puts it out, will it be bug free? I can guarantee it will not. Will it work on 99% of the computers it should without a hitch? Yes. And that, my friends, is all apple can shoot for. There will be issues, such is life. Back up your data, upgrade, and enjoy. If there is a problem, you have it all backed up, right?

Bill
I completely agree with you. I'm a software developer myself and you always have known issues that you are willing to ship with. So the comments about how it will be so buggy are probably from people who haven't tested the Tiger seeds at all.

However, I do believe it is valid to wait for two or three maintenance releases before upgrading your OS. Just to save you from the potential headache of running into the little annoying bugs, or possible large bugs - like the 10.3.0 FW issue. Backups will save your @$$ but it's still a pain and waste of time to get everything sorted out in the event of a severe defect. I'll probably wait until 10.4.2 or 10.4.3 to upgrade my Mac mini.

twoodcc

Mar 15, 2005, 10:17 AM

Let's hope the new OS is better than that song! :p

nothing is better than that song :eek:

Punani

Mar 15, 2005, 10:21 AM

wrldwzrd89

Mar 15, 2005, 10:25 AM

I'm not going to give this a positive or negative rating because I'm still not convinced that Tiger will, in fact, be released on April 15th. If Apple puts up a countdown timer on April 2nd, I'll be convinced.

jsw

Mar 15, 2005, 10:34 AM

I just really dont get these people saying its not close to ready, cuz of a short list of bugs. If you HONESTLY think apple is going to stop the release because of a few KNOWN issues, you must not know the computer industry very well. It is VERY common to install something, and right in the release notes they point out what does not work properly. Its called getting it out.
They'd be insane to release anything like the 8A393 release. Yes, I'm sure they have something much better now. But 8A393 wasn't even close to being ready. It's one thing to release a buggy app. It's something entirely different to release a buggy OS. Yes, I understand that it's equally important not to spend forever trying to produce a perfect product. But, when it comes to operating systems, they had better be pretty well debugged before release, period. It's not the size of the bug list, it's the flavor and priority of the bugs on that list. 8A393 was clearly and immediately flaky on my system within moments of using it. It is certainly possible but seemingly unlikely that Apple has transformed that release into something ready for prime time in such a short period - even given that 8A393 was released internally within Apple prior to release to beta testers.

I don't think it's impossible that Apple will release Tiger on April 15th. I hope they do, as long as it won't create a flood of bad press. I'm perfectly willing to believe that they can transform 8A393 into something stable in a couple of months - but it isn't a stretch to call 8A393 buggy or flaky when bugs become visibly apparent moments after first logging on and continue to affect applications and the OS itself. It wasn't unusable, but it wasn't almost ready for general release, either.

DaLazernet

Mar 15, 2005, 10:41 AM

Well, personally, I'm still waiting. I've been wanting a PowerMac for a long time now. I hopped back to the apple world with their tempting Powerbooks (I picked up a fully loaded 12"er a year ago), and have wanted to replace my desktop with a PowerMac since. However, the PowerMac design has become aged and I find its upgradability a bit lacking for such a large footprint. That, and I told myself - whats the point buying it when in a few months I'd have to shell out extra cash to get the next OS?

So, here I am, with OS 10.4 coming out, still wanting a PowerMac. Will I order one? Most likely no. Why? Because I feel that any day now a speed bump will come out in them and/or a styling change. All I'd like is a speed bump so I can afford a dual 2 for, say, $2k? Plus, I'm waiting for them to standardize the 512 MB ram across that line as well. Perhaps the capability do have TWO internal CD-ROM drives? I probably don't even "need" a G5 powermac for what I'm doing (web design and general purpose use with a little bit of graphic arts work) which are all swift enough on my powerbook, but I like the idea of being able to keep a machine for 5+ years, unlike many PCs I've been through.

Comon Apple - speed bump those PowerMacs and you'll have yourself an extra $2.5k in your pocket from me! (assuming I get upgraded options on it)...

- Eric

Punani

Mar 15, 2005, 10:49 AM

They'd be insane to release anything like the 8A393 release. Yes, I'm sure they have something much better now. But 8A393 wasn't even close to being ready. It's one thing to release a buggy app. It's something entirely different to release a buggy OS. Yes, I understand that it's equally important not to spend forever trying to produce a perfect product. But, when it comes to operating systems, they had better be pretty well debugged before release, period. It's not the size of the bug list, it's the flavor and priority of the bugs on that list. 8A393 was clearly and immediately flaky on my system within moments of using it. It is certainly possible but seemingly unlikely that Apple has transformed that release into something ready for prime time in such a short period - even given that 8A393 was released internally within Apple prior to release to beta testers.

I don't think it's impossible that Apple will release Tiger on April 15th. I hope they do, as long as it won't create a flood of bad press. I'm perfectly willing to believe that they can transform 8A393 into something stable in a couple of months - but it isn't a stretch to call 8A393 buggy or flaky when bugs become visibly apparent moments after first logging on and continue to affect applications and the OS itself. It wasn't unusable, but it wasn't almost ready for general release, either.It would seem from the reports that were received from the February builds that most of the user-visible changes have been put into place and most of the frameworks are reasonably completed. There's no need for another build until the the RCs start coming out.

I think that's what the developer's releases are all about. Getting a basic foundation for developers to, at the very least get a start or an idea of what they need to prepare for when Tiger is released. Yes, it's buggy, but that's supposed to be a limitation developer's are willing to take. If one is using it in a production environment or for regular work, that's not what it's there for.

Apple is clearly very wary of letting their secrets out now. In fact, paragraph 15 of their lawsuit actually is a complaint about being unable to control the announcement of their news (This is against the law?).

SeRgIo_42

Mar 15, 2005, 10:52 AM

CubaTBird

Mar 15, 2005, 10:53 AM

if tiger is released on april 1st.. will there be a keynote to watch :D

Jinorasa

Mar 15, 2005, 10:56 AM

I just received my first mac ever (12" pb) yesterday. Can I get a free upgrade? It's not fair!!

Normally a free upgrade will be provided for those purchase after new software launching and before ship. For example, Apple launch iLife05 in 10-Jan-05 and ship on 22-Jan-05, those who purchase iLife04 in between these period will get a free upgrade. This doesn't mean that some people playing fool to buy old version than upgrade later just for fun, but it's mainly for those who buy new hardware in this period. :)

Jinorasa

Mar 15, 2005, 11:03 AM

Despite everything we have seen/read/heard abour Tiger,
I am only interested to see how well the minis, ibooks
and other 32MB-video-card-based macs will perform.

I do not see any scenario other than a success because
Apple would not release Tiger and at the same time
let down the recent breed of windows switchers who
bought minis and ibooks.

S.

Don't worry, after tryout Tiger build 8A393, QuickTime 7 shows a wonderful performance. You might not see some special effect like water droplet wave effect when you select a new widget to be appear in Dashboard. But over all seems to be ok.

gopher

Mar 15, 2005, 11:03 AM

For the folks who pre-ordered OS X, did any receive it earlier than the release date?

I'm asking because I don't believe the Apple Store (or any reseller) will be selling the educational version (If they didn't care iLife and iWork at a discount...), and I don't want to wait for my university bookstore to stock it.

Several releases ago, I remember some people did get their preorders a day early. That may be as much due to the whim of the shipper as anything else.

maverick808

Mar 15, 2005, 11:24 AM

I completely agree with you. I'm a software developer myself and you always have known issues that you are willing to ship with. So the comments about how it will be so buggy are probably from people who haven't tested the Tiger seeds at all.

However, I do believe it is valid to wait for two or three maintenance releases before upgrading your OS. Just to save you from the potential headache of running into the little annoying bugs, or possible large bugs - like the 10.3.0 FW issue. Backups will save your @$$ but it's still a pain and waste of time to get everything sorted out in the event of a severe defect. I'll probably wait until 10.4.2 or 10.4.3 to upgrade my Mac mini.

You must be kidding me. The last seed, 8a393, is completely unusable due to its bugs. It kernal panics and finder locks up constantly. It is far far less stable than Windows XP.

MontyZ

Mar 15, 2005, 11:31 AM

I guess Steve Jobs has got his team of lawyers suing e-Week for reporting something from a "source." Seems they have the right to do so now.

jcshas

Mar 15, 2005, 11:32 AM

Anyone know when Apple will begin to accept pre-orders?

~loserman~

Mar 15, 2005, 11:45 AM

I honestly doubt they are. The last release had a SHORT, yes, I consider anything less than 20 items in something so complicated as OS X SHORT, list of bugs. People went haywire. Its not even close to ready they claimed. Trust me folks, they coulda rolled with it at that point. When its released, there WILL be bugs. Panther HAS BUGS. Any OS has bugs. Deal with it, get over it, and move on. Otherwise, find a nice secure version of dos, and enjoy.

I just really dont get these people saying its not close to ready, cuz of a short list of bugs. If you HONESTLY think apple is going to stop the release because of a few KNOWN issues, you must not know the computer industry very well. It is VERY common to install something, and right in the release notes they point out what does not work properly. Its called getting it out. It is something that just has to be done, you have to hit a point where you say:

Stamp it

And work it out as it comes. Such is life. Nothing is perfect. If apple puts it out, will it be bug free? I can guarantee it will not. Will it work on 99% of the computers it should without a hitch? Yes. And that, my friends, is all apple can shoot for. There will be issues, such is life. Back up your data, upgrade, and enjoy. If there is a problem, you have it all backed up, right?

Bill

I agree. Panther still has bugs but they are very few and most people wont see them anyway.

Will Tiger have bugs? absolutely
If people are so concerned with a few bugs then wait a few months before you upgrade.
Apple could check Tiger for bugs themselves for years and NEVER find 1/100th the number they will be able to find by just going ahead and releasing it. Even though the beta and seed programs help it is nothing like what will happen when a General release takes place.

All you can really ask of Tiger when it releases is.... Is it stable enough to not kernel panic? Will 99+% of all software run without a hitch? etc.

Given a month or 2 after the release you will likely see an update. Probably 2 or 3 before the end of the year.
There will always be annoying little bugs that will plague any OS release.

hayesk

Mar 15, 2005, 12:01 PM

Apple has typically released their OSes on the 24th, haven't they? I don't believe April 15th. I'm more inclined to believe May 24th or June 24th.

hayesk

Mar 15, 2005, 12:01 PM

I just received my first mac ever (12" pb) yesterday. Can I get a free upgrade? It's not fair!!

What's not fair? That you received exactly what you were promised?

Bear

Mar 15, 2005, 12:02 PM

Anyone know when Apple will begin to accept pre-orders?Going by past experience, you will be able to pre-order it when Apple officially anounces Tiger's release date.

Jovian9

Mar 15, 2005, 12:58 PM

Question for developers:

I am a developer, have been since June '04. Occassionally I get the latest Panther disks in the mail. I wasn't a developer though when the last OS was released. Do developers get the latest OS sent to them when it is updated......did any of you who were developers when Panther came out automatically get sent the disks from Apple for no additional charge?

I'm just curious b/c I have ordered both Jaguar and Panther the day they were announced, so I want to know if I should hold off on that if it is announced at the beginning of April.

Thanks!

patseguin

Mar 15, 2005, 01:01 PM

feakbeak

Mar 15, 2005, 01:04 PM

You must be kidding me. The last seed, 8a393, is completely unusable due to its bugs. It kernal panics and finder locks up constantly. It is far far less stable than Windows XP.
What would I be kidding about?

The last seed was in February, I'm sure they are not releasing seed 8A393 to the general public. I have not used that seed - I will take your word that it had kernel panics and locked up frequently making it unstable and perhaps unusable. However, software is a funny thing you can have two or three bugs in your code that cause instability and hangs throughout a product. Maybe fixing a handful of bugs did the trick, we really don't know - we're not on Apple's OS team.

If you are that worried then don't be an early adopter. Wait and see what happens. You will hear of any significant issues on these forums and on Apple's support site. Once any serious issues are resolved with a maintenance release or two and you feel comfortable, then upgrade. That's my plan for Tiger. But to assume Apple will release an unsable operating system because the last seed you used was unusable for you is a solid argument.

morespce54

Mar 15, 2005, 01:21 PM

Remember Apple is still providing security updates for 10.2.8.

True. I wonder how many updates they can fit in between 10.3.9 and 10.4.0 (maybe some 10.3.9.1, 10.3.9.2, etc) :rolleyes:

Jovian9

Mar 15, 2005, 01:28 PM

ADC members are supposed to get the Tiger release for free.

Thanks, that's what I was curious about.

jsw

Mar 15, 2005, 01:30 PM

ADC members are supposed to get the Tiger release for free.
Qualifier: paying members get it - members who sign up for free don't. Obvious, I suppose.

rickmac2005

Mar 15, 2005, 01:42 PM

If Apple was more like microsoft, the world and his dog would already have the final release version running on their computers!

ASP272

Mar 15, 2005, 02:08 PM

Cool! All you early adopters be sure to let us know about all the bugs, since I am sure there will be plenty. Still, an awesome OS update this will be. Widgets rock!

~loserman~

Mar 15, 2005, 02:25 PM

True. I wonder how many updates they can fit in between 10.3.9 and 10.4.0 (maybe some 10.3.9.1, 10.3.9.2, etc) :rolleyes:

This has been covered endlessly in other threads, but what the heck why not one more time.

10.3.9
10.3.10
10.3.11
10.3.12
etc

or
10.3.9.1; 10.3.9.2......
10.3.10.1 .......
10.3.11.3
etc
10.3.9 does not mean that the next update would be 10.4
its version. major release. minor release. patch

dagger01

Mar 15, 2005, 02:26 PM

I have two words for you regarding 10.4 being ready to ship in April:

NO WAY!

I have been receiving builds of the OS for some time and it is no where near ready. June is going to be pushing it. The only thing that could possibly be coming out April 15th is 10.3.9.

Nice try, but no. The sources are on crack.

wdlove

Mar 15, 2005, 02:48 PM

I haven't thought that Tiger would be ready on April 15th either. Still think that Steve will keep to his word on the first half of 2005. I'm still pushing for a release date of June 24th, why not follow the prior scenario.

caveman_uk

Mar 15, 2005, 02:48 PM

Back up your data, upgrade, and enjoy. If there is a problem, you have it all backed up, right?

Bill
That's the point. The people who were really screwed by the firewire bug in 10.3.0 had their back-ups on their firewire drive - so guess what? The bug destroyed their back-up as well.

Hardly the 'Awwww well, just use your back-up' scenario you describe.

Lacero

Mar 15, 2005, 02:50 PM

They can't ship FCP 5.0 at NAB in April without a complementary OS to go with it. So most likely from sources, a Tiger rollout should be available by end of April at the latest.

wdlove

Mar 15, 2005, 02:56 PM

They can't ship FCP 5.0 at NAB in April without a complementary OS to go with it. So most likely from sources, a Tiger rollout should be available by end of April at the latest.

Even if it hits at the end of April, still thinking that the release date will be on the 24th.

We won't have to worry about the firewire problem after 10.3.9.

Lacero

Mar 15, 2005, 03:01 PM

The worst possible scenario is announcing FCP 5.0 but not shipping for another 2 months. Given Apple's track record, this may just happen.

macidiot

Mar 15, 2005, 03:10 PM

The whole topic of whether people get Tiger straight away, whenever it comes out, is really down to them. However it cannot be that buggy otherwise why would Apple release it? I thought this company were proud of their quality image? Also this is Apple we are talking about, not Microsoft! We dont want to wait 5+ years for an OS that is already out of date! Anyhoo, how perfect are most OSs on first release, despite how long they take to develop?? Nothing is perfect.

I can really understand large pro customers and businesses wanting to wait however, they do not have the luxoury of an immediate swap for the very latest thing like the normal everyday home user with money does!!

Also, on the whole topic of whether this is real or not, I can understand Apple wanting to fool TS and reveille their leaks, but why drag eWeek into this, who as far as I know have been pretty quite for Apple!...unless eWeek was not Apples intension and all this is indeed a stunt. But ofcourse TS could be the source, as my fellow forumer "uae" before has mentioned!! If not TS, another rumour site. These circles can be vicious!! Lets hope they dont bite us in the ass!!

Apple released osx and it wasn't ready for prime time. Poor printing, poor cdr/dvd support?!?, weak drivers, etc. Of course, things were a little different back then, Apple had to get something out the door. But osx wasn't widely recommended for everyone until the 10.2 release. Even then, there were some reservations. Some would say that 10.3 was really the top to bottom, rock solid release of osx.

Then again, I've had every release of osx including the beta, I'll be getting this release too. But I fully expect to have a few os issues here and there.

AND, does anyone know what the hardware requirements are going to be for Tiger???? Am I missing something here, or is that still a mystery. Mostly I'm wondering about core image and core video. Have they figured out what is going to be supported?

adamjay

Mar 15, 2005, 03:13 PM

i hope there's a nice flash intro on the apple page the day tiger is released..

complete with "eye of the tiger" music....

dant...... dant dant dant........ dant dant dant....... dant dant daaaaaaaant.

Jovian9

Mar 15, 2005, 03:16 PM

Qualifier: paying members get it - members who sign up for free don't. Obvious, I suppose.

I am a paying member....but my year ends June 18th and I'm not sure if I'm going to renew my ADC membership.

oingoboingo

Mar 15, 2005, 03:17 PM

True. I wonder how many updates they can fit in between 10.3.9 and 10.4.0 (maybe some 10.3.9.1, 10.3.9.2, etc) :rolleyes:

Or just 10.3.10 and 10.3.11?

MacsRgr8

Mar 15, 2005, 03:22 PM

AND, does anyone know what the hardware requirements are going to be for Tiger???? Am I missing something here, or is that still a mystery. Mostly I'm wondering about core image and core video. Have they figured out what is going to be supported?

I thought it is identical to the Panther requirements:
G3 (built-in USB), 128 MB RAM.

EDIT (from the readme):
"Note: The Mac OS X Tiger Developer Preview is available in English only. System requirements You must have a Macintosh computer with • a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor • a DVD drive • built-in FireWire • at least 128 MB of RAM • a built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by your computer • at least 2 GB of disk space available, or 3.5 GB if you install the developer tools If you see a message in the Installer that you do not have enough disk space to install Mac OS X, you can deselect items to save space."

jayscheuerle

Mar 15, 2005, 03:25 PM

AND, does anyone know what the hardware requirements are going to be for Tiger???? Am I missing something here, or is that still a mystery. Mostly I'm wondering about core image and core video. Have they figured out what is going to be supported?

Core image and core audio will not be the determiner of the hardware requirements for Tiger. (Just like Quartz Extreme wasn't for Jaguar)..

oingoboingo

Mar 15, 2005, 03:31 PM

AND, does anyone know what the hardware requirements are going to be for Tiger???? Am I missing something here, or is that still a mystery. Mostly I'm wondering about core image and core video. Have they figured out what is going to be supported?

There used to be a list of video chips which supported full hardware acceleration of Core Image on Apple's Tiger preview pages, but this list was removed a few months ago. Basically the supported list was an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro or higher, or an nVidia GeForce FX 5200 and higher. A notable exclusion from the list was the ATI Radeon 9200, currently used in the iBook, eMac and Mac mini. After the web page with the list disappeared, people began to speculate that Apple was revising its supported GPU list because of changes to the Core Image code, although a cynic might say that Apple was removing the list simply so that potential iBook, eMac and Mac mini purchasers didn't get discouraged by the fact that their hardware would not run the next version of OS X with all the bells and whistles turned on.

Whatever the reasoning, I don't think anyone knows for sure at this date. A few beta testers have commented that some of Tiger's Core Image driven effects are toned down on Radeon 9200 equipped systems, indicating that this GPU still does not completely support Core Image hardware acceleration. Apple hasn't resurrected their Core Image-supported GPU list, but with only a few weeks to go until the rumoured Tiger announcement date rolls around, you won't have long to wait and find out the official answer.

aswitcher

Mar 15, 2005, 03:44 PM

There used to be a list of video chips which supported full hardware acceleration of Core Image on Apple's Tiger preview pages, but this list was removed a few months ago. Basically the supported list was an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro or higher, or an nVidia GeForce FX 5200 and higher. A notable exclusion from the list was the ATI Radeon 9200, currently used in the iBook, eMac and Mac mini.

The iBook and eMac could easily receive an update just prior to Tiger to a card that is(was) supported. Maybe even the 3 month old Mac mini...

Hopefully they are making core work for the older chip sets instead.

mac-er

Mar 15, 2005, 04:34 PM

April 1 makes sense to announce the release date.

It is, afterall, Apple's birthday (Apple was incorporated on April 1, 1979)

macpk01

Mar 15, 2005, 04:35 PM

So should I cancell my order(3/13/05) for an ibook in order to get tiger and the supposed 512mb boost in ram?

cause this would be my first mac :D
macpk01

paulypants

Mar 15, 2005, 04:48 PM

You must be kidding me. The last seed, 8a393, is completely unusable due to its bugs. It kernal panics and finder locks up constantly. It is far far less stable than Windows XP.

Apple's internal builds are usually farther along than developer builds, sometimes much farther...

paulypants

Mar 15, 2005, 04:48 PM

So should I cancell my order(3/13/05) for an ibook in order to get tiger and the supposed 512mb boost in ram?

cause this would be my first mac :D
macpk01

Only if you can wait to get it...

gopher

Mar 15, 2005, 04:52 PM

Apple's internal builds are usually farther along than developer builds, sometimes much farther...

To add to that, kernel panics are a sign of potentially bad hardware or a bad directory. If you are testing a version of Tiger and getting panics, please tell Apple what panics you are receiving so that the drivers don't panic as frequently. For reasons for panics, see my FAQ:

http://www.macmaps.com/kernelpanic.html

blumie607

Mar 15, 2005, 04:58 PM

For the folks who pre-ordered OS X, did any receive it earlier than the release date?

I'm asking because I don't believe the Apple Store (or any reseller) will be selling the educational version (If they didn't care iLife and iWork at a discount...), and I don't want to wait for my university bookstore to stock it.

Usually the only place you can get Edu releases besides a bookstore is on the Apple Store Education website (and maybe by phone). No normal resellers or the Apple Store (retail) will sell it to you for the edu discounted price.

timster

Mar 15, 2005, 05:05 PM

April 1 makes sense to announce the release date.

It is, afterall, Apple's birthday (Apple was incorporated on April 1, 1979)

You're off by 3 years: April 1, 1976. (http://www.time.com/time/80days/760401.html)

Plymouthbreezer

Mar 15, 2005, 05:17 PM

Student members also get the final... I think(??).

Punani

Mar 15, 2005, 05:19 PM

Student members also get the final... I think(??).From what I've heard, they used to give out developer's previews too. Apparently too many students were rather liberal in their interpretation of the NDA. :p

Punani

Mar 15, 2005, 05:27 PM

So should I cancell my order(3/13/05) for an ibook in order to get tiger and the supposed 512mb boost in ram?

cause this would be my first mac :D
macpk01It really depends on what you need.

If you're fine with your current machine and can hold out until the beginning of summer, I would definitely go with waiting. Panther is going to be depreciated by the time you get used to it.

iDeclare

Mar 15, 2005, 05:44 PM

Strictly out of curiousity:

Does anyone know if Apple usually requires a license fee for their OS'? I thought it was strange that they required a product key for iWork but no iLife- guess they pick and choose what piracy they don't mind? :confused:

I for one am against software piracy (and even if I wasn't, it's not like I am going to speak out in favor of it when apple's lawyers continuously cruise through rumor sites on their lunch hour looking for lawsuits to start! :cool: )

Plymouthbreezer

Mar 15, 2005, 05:47 PM

From what I've heard, they used to give out developer's previews too. Apparently too many students were rather liberal in their interpretation of the NDA. :pWell... I'm a "student" and I respect the NDA on Tiger and the other software! ;)

bbyrdhouse

Mar 15, 2005, 06:28 PM

Well, I have gotten real use to my new Powerbook and Panther. But I have to say I will be one of the ones that orders Tiger the first day they start taking orders.
Spotlight and Dashboard would be worth half the price of the upgrade alone! ;)

rdowns

Mar 15, 2005, 07:12 PM

Eye Of The Tiger
Survivor

Risin' up, back on the street
Did my time, took my chances
Went the distance, now I'm back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive

........

The eye of the tiger
The eye of the tiger
The eye of the tiger

This must be a bannable offense.

aafuss1

Mar 15, 2005, 07:26 PM

powerbook911

Mar 15, 2005, 10:05 PM

I must admit that I am eager to have Tiger. I'm happy about the rumored plan too. April 1 will tease us and possibly confirm that Tiger will be out on April 15, so April 1 will be exciting in itself. Furthermore, maybe they'll post a delayed stream of the announcement on April 1. We can then pre-order, hopefully, at apple.com, so we can guarantee our by April 15 delivery.

Then, one month from today, we'll have Tiger in our paws. I'm ready! Spotlight, Dashboard, new Mail, new Safari, Core Image, etc. I can't wait! :) I'm off on Friday the 15th of April, so I can play with it all day!

beanregarder

Mar 16, 2005, 04:10 AM

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but this year is the 2004th anniversary of April 1st, so it makes perfect sense to announce Tiger on that day

wrldwzrd89

Mar 16, 2005, 04:14 AM

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but this year is the 2004th anniversary of April 1st, so it makes perfect sense to announce Tiger on that day
Interesting observation, beanregarder. I would have thought that Apple would look at that relative to the date they became a company.

Evangelion

Mar 16, 2005, 04:21 AM

This has propably been asked million times already, but still: I just received my Mac Mini yesterday (my very first Mac EVER!). Is there any possibility I could get a free update to Tiger :)?

monty77

Mar 16, 2005, 04:51 AM

This has propably been asked million times already, but still: I just received my Mac Mini yesterday (my very first Mac EVER!). Is there any possibility I could get a free update to Tiger :)?

I doubt it. _Sometimes_ they offer free updates to people who bought a machine after a new OS was announced, but not before.

Adam

Bern

Mar 16, 2005, 05:23 AM

Apple Australia have annonced the dates for the WWDC preview featuring Tiger technologies in April.

http://forums.appletalk.com.au/index.php?showtopic=5510&hl=

Is this a normal thing to do if Apple were intending to release Tiger at this time? :confused:

daveL

Mar 16, 2005, 01:46 PM

Apple just posted a new Tiger seed, 8A414, on the ADC (Select/Premier) download site. The bug list, although different than the last seed, still shows some real issues.

jayscheuerle

Mar 16, 2005, 01:58 PM

But... but... but... Uh, Apple could fix the bugs and then send the Golden Master back trough a wormhole to today to start producing the retail versions. Yeah!!

bankshot

Mar 16, 2005, 02:28 PM

People, this is NOT confirmation of anything. eWeek is just repeating the original rumor from ThinkSecret, nothing more. How do I know? Take a look at this:

http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=142245&cid=11920243
Given Think Secret's excellent track record and my own knowledge of the care with which Nick Ciarelli researches his reports, I personally believe that the site is in fact a "reputable news source," and this report is at least as plausible as an Apple-related scoop from any bigger outlet.

At my shop, we're certainly going to pursue this report with vigor -- largely on the strength of Think Secret's record for accuracy.

Matthew Rothenberg
Executive editor
Ziff Davis Internet

Based on continuing reports of major bugs in the very latest Tiger builds, I'd say Apple would be foolish to actually release next month. I don't buy this rumor.

(ugh, I missed this yesterday, so nobody'll see this post and the damage, causing frenzied hope, has already been done...) :(

daveL

Mar 16, 2005, 02:29 PM

But... but... but... Uh, Apple could fix the bugs and then send the Golden Master back trough a wormhole to today to start producing the retail versions. Yeah!!
Well, in all fairness, the GM Panther seed was made available on ADC about 2 weeks before it was available in retail stores, so I guess we could see another 15 days worth of work on the build prior to it going to press. As others have said, the seeds we see may not be absolutely current with internal builds, but who knows?

jayscheuerle

Mar 16, 2005, 02:37 PM

Hope springs eternal in these boards, eh?

daveL

Mar 16, 2005, 03:01 PM

Hope springs eternal in these boards, eh?
Actually, as I've posted above, I'm more inclined to think early June. If it does somehow come out in a month, I may just wait for the first point release or two before I make the switch from Panther.

jayscheuerle

Mar 16, 2005, 03:15 PM

Actually, as I've posted above, I'm more inclined to think early June. If it does somehow come out in a month, I may just wait for the first point release or two before I make the switch from Panther.

Waiting until Tiger earns its stripes?

satty

Mar 16, 2005, 03:15 PM

I did get some eCoupons that are valid until 31/03/2005, which was everytime the sign for an announcement the day after.

So I will wait until April.

Plymouthbreezer

Mar 16, 2005, 03:19 PM

ADC Members might not know that a release is GM until a few weeks after it's out.

wdlove

Mar 16, 2005, 03:54 PM

Rootman

Mar 16, 2005, 04:07 PM

Thinksecret is reporting that members of the Tiger development team have gone on vacation.

J@ffa

Mar 16, 2005, 04:07 PM

Think Secret just posted an article on build 8A414 - pretty much the same as AppleInsider, but with this tidbit, which I consider to be crucial;

Multiple sources also report witnessing at least one Tiger "wrap party" at One Infinite Loop earlier this month, and several members of the Tiger development team are presently on vacation, sources say, generally a sure-fire sign that their portion of development has been completed.

That's a pretty damn specific thing to post without having reliable sources. I'm inclined to think that the April 1st/14th release schedule is correct.

wdlove

Mar 16, 2005, 04:12 PM

Thinksecret is reporting that members of the Tiger development team have gone on vacation.

The vacation could be taken two ways. It could mean that the work on Tiger is done. Could also be that they are taking a short vacation prior to the final push to finish Tiger. Either way we will have the answer in a matter of weeks.

Punani

Mar 16, 2005, 04:19 PM

The vacation could be taken two ways. It could mean that the work on Tiger is done. Could also be that they are taking a short vacation prior to the final push to finish Tiger. Either way we will have the answer in a matter of weeks.I think the short vacation would be a bad idea because I find that most people tend to become really lazy once they've got a bit of a respite. Then again, who knows how Jobs motivates the engineers.

However, the comment about a wrap party at the Apple campus seems to provide more towards the former possibility.

nagromme

Mar 16, 2005, 04:29 PM

More fuel for the April Fool's fire:

http://www.appleinsider.com/backpage/

I can almost believe it's possible :)

J@ffa

Mar 16, 2005, 04:32 PM

Then again, who knows how Jobs motivates the engineers.

I found this interesting tidbit from a half-arsed google:

Jobs turned to an early Apple consultant, mechanical engineer David M. Kelley, to implement Esslinger's design. At first, Kelley worried that Jobs's demands - for instance, a tilt mechanism for the monitor - would be too difficult to pull off. ''You want to be the voice of reason,'' says Kelley. "But when I would say: 'Steve, that's going to be too expensive,' or, 'It can't be done,' his response was: 'You wimp.' He makes you feel like a small thinker." So Kelley and a team of six engineers worked around the clock to turn Esslinger's design into a mechanical reality.

wrldwzrd89

Mar 16, 2005, 04:53 PM

If its not April, then I'm still holding out for a June 24th release. Why break the mold.
I agree. I still say June 24th, especially after reading the recent replies in this thread.

Punani

Mar 16, 2005, 05:37 PM

Multiple sources also report witnessing at least one Tiger "wrap party" at One Infinite Loop earlier this month.

[talk receiver:all message:@"GREAT PARTY!!!"];

daveL

Mar 16, 2005, 06:07 PM

[talk receiever:all message:@"GREAT PARTY!!!"];
I guess I'm not cool. What does your post mean?

Unless we are simply not seeing the latest builds in the dev seeds on ADC, I just can't fathom how there were project wrap-up parties earlier this month.

Between all this stuff, and the here-now-gone-tomorrow 970MP references, I still think there's some red herring somewhere in the mix. Only time will tell.

Punani

Mar 16, 2005, 06:11 PM

I guess I'm not cool. What does your post mean?

Unless we are simply not seeing the latest builds in the dev seeds on ADC, I just can't fathom how there were project wrap-up parties earlier this month.

Between all this stuff, and the here-now-gone-tomorrow 970MP references, I still think there's some red herring somewhere in the mix. Only time will tell.Oh, I was trying to make a joke regarding the wrap party. Since it's an Mac OS X party I thought it would be appropriate to talk in Objective-C messages.

Okay, yeah...I have a weird sense of humor.

daveL

Mar 16, 2005, 06:21 PM

Oh, I was trying to make a joke regarding the wrap party. Since it's an Mac OS X party I thought it would be appropriate to talk in Objective-C messages.

Okay, yeah...I have a weird sense of humor.
No problem. As you can tell, I'm not an Objective C/C++ guy; assembler and C were my forte, when I was younger.

gregorymontalba

Mar 16, 2005, 06:23 PM

dicklacara

Mar 16, 2005, 08:36 PM

IBetween all this stuff, and the here-now-gone-tomorrow 970MP references, I still think there's some red herring somewhere in the mix. Only time will tell.
The Tiger release is the Red Herring. I predict that it will be announced by April 1 (if not sooner). But all the Tiger, CPU & other rumors are drawing attention from some really big things that are going to be announced in the same time frame.

I have no specific knowledge, but I'd be willing to bet that we are going to be "wowed" by Apple announcements (every couple of weeks) from now until WWDC-- then the really big stuff gets announced.

Apple has the big "mo" right now, they have a great public image, are the darlings if the financial community & a lot of attention by the business community.

Steve knows exactly how to milk this to maximum advantage-- and he will!

Plymouthbreezer

Mar 16, 2005, 09:15 PM

Hey, look... What's that?? Oh, a new Tiger seed! ;)

dmarkman

Mar 16, 2005, 09:28 PM

I preorderd it on amazon, delivery estmate is:

Items not yet shipped:
Delivery estimate: April 12, 2005
1 of: Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger

Could this be another amazon leek?

EDIT: forgot to mention shipping, 2 day

I bet the 10th

I tried to order Tiger on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002G71T0/qid=1111030049/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-software/002-7502367-2720049?v=glance&s=software&n=229534
and got " Estimated ship date for this item:*May 20, 2005"

aswitcher

Mar 16, 2005, 11:55 PM

Think Secret has new rumors...looking good.

Sunrunner

Mar 17, 2005, 10:16 AM

I tried to order Tiger on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002G71T0/qid=1111030049/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-software/002-7502367-2720049?v=glance&s=software&n=229534
and got " Estimated ship date for this item:*May 20, 2005"

As long as Tiger is out before the new PowerMacs are out, Im happy. Im in the market to get a now PM, and I just dont want to have to pay for the OS as well... Now here's to hoping the PMs dont wait too many more months...

mkjellman

Mar 17, 2005, 11:20 AM

While I think ThinkSecret is a creditable resource I have better ones, ADC and my membership. As a PowerBook user I can not even use this build because of issues plaguing all laptop users. ThinkSecret didn't even put this into their report. Also as many know the "Known Issues" section never includes the vast majority of bugs. Now because the issue with laptops is so bad I can not even install this build.

Now to prove my theory that Apple would never do this is to go and look back on the last ADC seeds for Jaguar (6C115) and Panther (7B85) both which do not have any known issues and as I recall in Panthers case the builds felt very stable starting 2 seeds from that final seed. Looking back on the Tiger Seed there are even more problems that ThinkSecret did not report.

Which brings me to my final point that has not been talked about. TIGER SERVER, which still has tons of problems even in the last seed that was seeded yesterday. Functionality that integrates the client and the server in some fields does not even work.

Take this as you wish.

manmurray

Mar 17, 2005, 11:27 AM

Well, for what it's worth I just got off the phone with my reseller (a big multinational), who in turn spoke with his Apple rep this morning - they're being advised of late may/early June ship dates. I'm not sure Apple would tell out-right porkies, at least to their larger resellers...but I could be wrong...

Sunrunner

Mar 17, 2005, 12:31 PM

wrldwzrd89

Mar 17, 2005, 12:57 PM

Perhaps then Apple will simply be announcing pre-orders and firm ship dates in the coming weeks then...
That sounds entirely reasonable to me. I hope Apple does make an official announcement sometime soon.

Sunrunner

Mar 17, 2005, 01:00 PM

That sounds entirely reasonable to me. I hope Apple does make an official announcement sometime soon.

mhm, I can appreciate Apples frenetic drive for secrecy and all, but it sure makes planing hardware upgrades and the like difficult as all hell.

GeeYouEye

Mar 17, 2005, 01:15 PM

Sunrunner

Mar 17, 2005, 01:24 PM

Whichever month it's released, it'll be on the 24th. Heck, it might even be announced on April 15th, and released on May 24th. Given Amazon's projected ship dates, past and present (for Panther and Jaguar, and now Tiger), I'd say that's most likely. Plus, from what I've heard, even 8A414 is at least a month away from GM.

There seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there right now...

Punani

Mar 17, 2005, 01:32 PM

There seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there right now...I think the main issue is that the quality of the builds do not reflect a production ready OS. Yet, once you negate that, everything seems to fall into place...the wrap party, the timing, and key people on vacation.

Personally, I subscribe to the theory that the builds may be rather old, or only certain portions have been updated that Apple wants feedback on.

We'll get our answer in two weeks.

wdlove

Mar 17, 2005, 03:25 PM

Whichever month it's released, it'll be on the 24th. Heck, it might even be announced on April 15th, and released on May 24th. Given Amazon's projected ship dates, past and present (for Panther and Jaguar, and now Tiger), I'd say that's most likely. Plus, from what I've heard, even 8A414 is at least a month away from GM.

I have been saying for quite a while now that the release date will be on the 24th. Someone else posted that all previous Mac OS X releases have been on the 24th. So I think this is a pattern that won't be broken.

Lacero

Mar 17, 2005, 03:43 PM

We'll have to wait and see if the pattern holds.

~loserman~

Mar 17, 2005, 05:58 PM

I think the main issue is that the quality of the builds do not reflect a production ready OS. Yet, once you negate that, everything seems to fall into place...the wrap party, the timing, and key people on vacation.

Personally, I subscribe to the theory that the builds may be rather old, or only certain portions have been updated that Apple wants feedback on.

We'll get our answer in two weeks.

No the latest seed Build 8A414 isn't old

The kernel version build date is Mar 13 2005

Punani

Mar 17, 2005, 07:22 PM

I have been saying for quite a while now that the release date will be on the 24th. Someone else posted that all previous Mac OS X releases have been on the 24th. So I think this is a pattern that won't be broken.What about 10.1?

jayscheuerle

Mar 17, 2005, 08:18 PM

What about 10.1?

That release should have had the code name hyena...

GeeYouEye

Mar 17, 2005, 08:34 PM

What about 10.1?I think it was July 24, announced on the 17th.

Punani

Mar 17, 2005, 08:40 PM

I think it was July 24, announced on the 17th.Tuesday, September 25, 2001.

ThinkMatt

Mar 18, 2005, 07:00 AM

I've had recent confirmation from a few people I talk to regularly that the production suite and Tiger will be out for NAB. Or at least debuting at NAB. Trainings, documentation, and other things in the pipeline have been coming to my attention recently. It's not far off.

good times for us Apple users over the next month or so. :-) YAY!

Matt

Plymouthbreezer

Mar 18, 2005, 11:11 AM

Eek, I need to save up my $129 bucks! :)

wdlove

Mar 18, 2005, 03:18 PM

Eek, I need to save up my $129 bucks! :)

I wish you luck with your savings. Hopefully Apple will release Tiger at the point that you have the $129 available. ;)

indifference

Mar 20, 2005, 09:13 AM

would apple do any more to fool us? heh, they have made thing so confusing already haven't they?

Plymouthbreezer

Mar 20, 2005, 09:31 AM

I wish you luck with your savings. Hopefully Apple will release Tiger at the point that you have the $129 available. ;)Hahah, I was actually kidding, I do have the money, I was just expressing how the Final versions of Tiger are probably going to be out sooner then we all first thought.

Bradley W

Mar 20, 2005, 12:15 PM

~loserman~

Mar 20, 2005, 03:37 PM

gopher

Mar 20, 2005, 04:16 PM

Has anyone besides me noticed that the latest beta causes networking to hang after putting PowerBook to sleep.

I get a hang every time I wake my Pbook backup.
It also causes the system to not be able to shutdown after this happens.
So you have to power off.
This happens whether or not you stop networking before you put the PBook to sleep.

To avoid it you have to shutdown every time.

Please report the problem to Apple so others don't suffer the same fate. The wake from sleep bug which was supposed to be fixed with 10.3.8, didn't completely appear to be repaired according to some posts in Apple Discussions. The more people report in the beta testing issues, the better a chance the next update will at least have a chance of having those bugs isolated. I don't have any of the betas, but if you do, it is your responsibility to report those issues to Apple. Apple does not read these boards except to take legal action if someone is spreading rumors too close to the truth.

wdlove

Mar 20, 2005, 04:51 PM

Please report the problem to Apple so others don't suffer the same fate. The wake from sleep bug which was supposed to be fixed with 10.3.8, didn't completely appear to be repaired according to some posts in Apple Discussions. The more people report in the beta testing issues, the better a chance the next update will at least have a chance of having those bugs isolated. I don't have any of the betas, but if you do, it is your responsibility to report those issues to Apple. Apple does not read these boards except to take legal action if someone is spreading rumors too close to the truth.

I thought that was part of being a beta tester, that you send Apple updates on progress and any problems. That's for sure if Apple isn't told about a problem then it may not get fixed.

I'm not a beta tester, but I do my part. When Safari crashes, I always elect to send a message to Apple.

Lacero

Mar 20, 2005, 05:20 PM

Safari has been crashing quite frequently lately. It was rock solid two updates ago. Ah well, if this keeps up, I'm moving over to PC since I am slightly disappointed with Doom3 performance.

~loserman~

Mar 20, 2005, 05:21 PM

Safari has been crashing quite frequently lately. It was rock solid two updates ago. Ah well, if this keeps up, I'm moving over to PC since I am slightly disappointed with Doom3 performance.

Wow! Now that's kind of drastic.

Yvan256

Mar 20, 2005, 09:45 PM

jayscheuerle

Mar 21, 2005, 06:19 AM

Apple does not read these boards except to take legal action if someone is spreading rumors too close to the truth.

Apple doesn't care about rumors. They care about people who spread known facts...

BornAgainMac

Mar 21, 2005, 06:57 AM

Apple doesn't care about rumors. They care about people who spread known facts...

I thought that was only a rumor. If you are right, I would watch your back going home. :eek:

Chip NoVaMac

Mar 21, 2005, 07:43 AM

I thought that was part of being a beta tester, that you send Apple updates on progress and any problems. That's for sure if Apple isn't told about a problem then it may not get fixed.

I'm not a beta tester, but I do my part. When Safari crashes, I always elect to send a message to Apple.

The problem is that it some times seems that Apple is slow to address issues. I am not a big one on remembering what was fixed in each 10.3 update; but it did seem to me that it should not have taken to 10.3.6 through 8 to address some of them.

I am bothered by a potential 4/15 release - in that it seems to me that 10.4 is being rushed to market.

wdlove

Mar 21, 2005, 04:20 PM

The problem is that it some times seems that Apple is slow to address issues. I am not a big one on remembering what was fixed in each 10.3 update; but it did seem to me that it should not have taken to 10.3.6 through 8 to address some of them.

I am bothered by a potential 4/15 release - in that it seems to me that 10.4 is being rushed to market.

What would be the reason for Apple to rush 10.4 to market if it isn't ready? I would the that bad publicity would cause them to take a second look.

gopher

Mar 21, 2005, 05:32 PM

What would be the reason for Apple to rush 10.4 to market if it isn't ready? I would the that bad publicity would cause them to take a second look.

It isn't a question of pushing it before it is ready. It has never really been ready for any version of Mac OS X if you believe some people. The question of "readiness" is one that is subjective, not objective. Will it appeal to the majority of people in enough time that it prevents them from desiring to switch to another platform? That's always a balancing act. Marketing is the driving force of the matter. Apple on the other hand has garnered a lot of good press for releasing a relatively stable, secure operating system. And that speaks volumes. Unfortunately, Apple's own marketing has not done enough to market its own operating system outside the Mac userbase. Hopefully the iPod halo effect is real, and people will be going to Mac Minis now that they are available for so little.

Punani

Mar 21, 2005, 05:49 PM

gopher

Mar 21, 2005, 05:56 PM

MacOSXRumors.com (http://macosxrumors.com/)'s article about the 8A414 build of Tiger has been removed at the request of Apple Legal.

Does this say anything about the status of Tiger or should we be more worried about Apple's legal tactics?

Just head up the coast. Knock on the door of the Cupertino headquarters, and ask to speak to Apple Legal. Ask them what they would consider the breaking point for rumor sites, and what they won't. Given that you live in Los Angeles, that shouldn't be too hard!

Daveway

Mar 21, 2005, 06:04 PM

~loserman~

Mar 21, 2005, 06:23 PM

I don't know why people keep screaming, "It's build 8A414, it's nowhere near ready!"
Have y'all forgotten that the build Steve used at MWSF was at least 2 builds ahead of what was the current release!?!
Apple is far ahead of the developers internally, and signs (vacations, wrap parties) show an April debut.

Apple's builds are FAR ahead of 8A414. This is FACT!

Ahead by a few days sure. A week ahead maybe. Several weeks to Way ahead NO.

What Steve demoed at MWSF looked identical to the build I had at the time.
Without having an exact copy of the build he had there I can't say that it was the exact copy. I expect that it was a few build numbers newer but it wasnt weeks ahead IMO.

As far as 8A414 the build was current less than a week ago. I'm sure that they made new builds since then but it really doesn't make sense to be very far ahead of those who are beta testing for you.
Bugs are constantly found by testers that Apple will never find themselves because they are too close to the problems. Thats why builds are always sent to testers.
End users/beta testers always try things that most engineers would not even have dreamed of trying.

There are also 2 distinct build ships. One to developers and one to beta testers. We happen to get both. They are usually different by 10 to 15 build numbers from ea other.

CubaTBird

Mar 21, 2005, 10:22 PM

yikes! wwdc image turned to orange on apples home page! yay! its soon! lollers :rolleyes:

wrldwzrd89

Mar 21, 2005, 10:24 PM

yikes! wwdc image turned to orange on apples home page! yay! its soon! lollers :rolleyes:
I'm seeing the orange image too. I wonder why Apple chose orange.

gopher

Mar 21, 2005, 10:45 PM

I'm seeing the orange image too. I wonder why Apple chose orange.

Black on Orange - the color of the Tiger, or at least as viewed by the:

http://www.gamefaces.com/items.pcgi?fm_itemid=488

And similar logos.

The text is black, on an orange background.

Sunrunner

Mar 22, 2005, 09:09 AM

Black on Orange - the color of the Tiger, or at least as viewed by the:

http://www.gamefaces.com/items.pcgi?fm_itemid=488

And similar logos.

The text is black, on an orange background.

....Im not sure if Im digging the color choice....

Plymouthbreezer

Mar 22, 2005, 03:50 PM

Yuckie, too bright for the all white Apple homepage!

wdlove

Mar 22, 2005, 04:14 PM

Certainly is a reminder of Halloween. Question would be is there any connotation? The orange definitely stands out boldly on the main page.

Lacero

Mar 22, 2005, 04:16 PM

It'll turn to green when WWDC gets underway. Or is the color to similar to the shuffle ads?

CubaTBird

Mar 22, 2005, 06:49 PM

support site for apple.com shows rss feeds! hrm...

dmarkman

Mar 23, 2005, 11:25 AM

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002G71T0/ref=pd_pym_ka/002-7502367-2720049

daveL

Mar 23, 2005, 12:55 PM

BWhaler

Mar 23, 2005, 01:11 PM

I started a thread on this in the Tiger SW forum, but I thought it might be of interest here. ADC just post 8A420 today. Most bugs from the last seed seem to be fixed. It's only been 6 days since the last seed (8A414). I haven't played with this seed, yet.

That is great news, thanks for sharing.

Does iDisk work? Any comments or observations would be most welcome.

daveL

Mar 23, 2005, 01:38 PM

That is great news, thanks for sharing.

Does iDisk work? Any comments or observations would be most welcome.
It's a huge download, and I have other things going on, so I haven't run it, yet. I *did* read the seed notes, however. Yes, iDisk syncing is supposedly fixed. As I said, the bugs listed in the last seed have all been fixed, at least it appears so from the latest seed notes.

wdlove

Mar 23, 2005, 04:10 PM

It's a huge download, and I have other things going on, so I haven't run it, yet. I *did* read the seed notes, however. Yes, iDisk syncing is supposedly fixed. As I said, the bugs listed in the last seed have all been fixed, at least it appears so from the latest seed notes.

Certainly good news for those that are predicting the 15th. I'm surprised that as a developer you are allowed to post this kind of information. Either way it's very welcomed.

Lacero

Mar 23, 2005, 04:14 PM

It seems they are always "fixing" iDisk. What's up with that? I'd be so pissed if they didn't fix the column view preview bug.

daveL

Mar 23, 2005, 04:25 PM

Certainly good news for those that are predicting the 15th. I'm surprised that as a developer you are allowed to post this kind of information. Either way it's very welcomed.
That's why I *try* to give general info or say things like "supposedly". I never post the actual seed note. I try to provide helpful info, without giving away the farm. Who knows; I'm not a lawyer.

gopher

Mar 23, 2005, 04:52 PM

That's why I *try* to give general info or say things like "supposedly". I never post the actual seed note. I try to provide helpful info, without giving away the farm. Who knows; I'm not a lawyer.

I personally doubt you really are a developer. Stating what actually is fixed in an update I think falls under the purview of the NDA.

daveL

Mar 23, 2005, 05:35 PM

I personally doubt you really are a developer. Stating what actually is fixed in an update I think falls under the purview of the NDA.
It's really unimportant to me what you think. There's probably 15 links to the actual seed notes, if you look around. I just gave a general sense of the progress between seeds and answered a specific question about iDisk syncing.

dmarkman

Mar 23, 2005, 11:35 PM

That's why I *try* to give general info or say things like "supposedly". I never post the actual seed note. I try to provide helpful info, without giving away the farm. Who knows; I'm not a lawyer.

you shouldn't be a lawyer to understand that you broke your NDA
agreement with Apple

Punani

Mar 23, 2005, 11:57 PM

With all due respect...

This is MacRumors.com not AppleLegal.com

FFTT

Mar 24, 2005, 04:02 AM

eric4ever

Mar 24, 2005, 09:10 AM

Lighten up on all this.

The most we know is that Tiger is coming along nicely.

I still can't ignore the possibility that Apple may reveal
a sneek peek of Tiger at FOSE, just to piss off Intel's CEO
who is scheduled for a keynote.

Hope it comes soon to the market
Let see what it does
Hope apple understands that people postpone the purchase of an apple on the presumption that tiger is coming soon
Including me

wdlove

Mar 24, 2005, 04:11 PM

Hope it comes soon to the market
Let see what it does
Hope apple understands that people postpone the purchase of an apple on the presumption that tiger is coming soon
Including me

I would suppose that if everyone is holding off on a Mac purchase. Then maybe Apple will decrease some prices to move inventory.

jayscheuerle

Mar 24, 2005, 04:19 PM

I would suppose that if everyone is holding off on a Mac purchase. Then maybe Apple will decrease some prices to move inventory.

Nah, they'll just sue somebody for leaking a release date. ;)

gopher

Mar 24, 2005, 04:34 PM

Hope it comes soon to the market
Let see what it does
Hope apple understands that people postpone the purchase of an apple on the presumption that tiger is coming soon
Including me

Postponing a purchase only because an operating system is not yet out has the following disadvantages:

1. You don't get the use of the machine you were to purchase.
2. If you have an actual need for a machine today, you lose money by not having that machine as long as you wait.
3. You know that the current machines which have been out for awhile are better debugged than a new machine with an untested operating system. If you wait till a new machine with an untested operating system comes out, then you may find yourself troubleshooting more than if you take a tested operating system with an older machine.
4. If some features of the new operating system are available for the older one from third parties, your delay may still not be worth it. If you combine QuickSilver, MenuStrip, and/or Launchbar with Konfabulator, you almost get all the features of Tiger in one bundle. If that's the only thing delaying you from buying a new machine, then you might want to consider, is it really worth the wait? Most of Apple's current machines will meet most people's needs. Only most the demanding power user trying to compress 10 hours of video in 2 hours time may find themselves better off waiting.

The one advantage of waiting till it is released is that you ensure you buy a machine that is known to be compatible with it. Since Apple has not yet released the system requirements for Tiger, waiting till it is released will ensure that you know you get a machine that is definitely compatible with it.

applemacmad

Mar 27, 2005, 01:46 PM

Someone said a few posts back about there being a launch party and getting to a store early or camping out, will this happen? did stuff like that happen for panther?

daveL

Mar 27, 2005, 01:53 PM

Someone said a few posts back about there being a launch party and getting to a store early or camping out, will this happen? did stuff like that happen for panther?
Yes, stuff like that happened for Panther. It wasn't for the announcement, but when the OS was available at the Apple Stores, i.e. the actual release. I think they had a 10% discount at the store, if memory serves me. People lined up hours in advance. I'd be very surprised if the same doesn't hold true for the Tiger release.

applemacmad

Mar 27, 2005, 04:11 PM

Thanks, I camped the night before the Regent Street Store opening, the atmosphere was electric, if people are planning on going i'll definitely be there!

wdlove

Mar 27, 2005, 05:13 PM

Someone said a few posts back about there being a launch party and getting to a store early or camping out, will this happen? did stuff like that happen for panther?

Yes, they had a launch party for Panther. My wife and I went to the Chestnut Hill Mall. The release Party was at 10pm. We were visiting the store at 8pm, then inquired about where the line would begin. So as soon as the store closed we got in line, we were first it line. It was a lot of fun. A time to visit with other Mac fans. Also had people walking by and asking what the line was about. Some were interesting and listened. it was a lot of fun and made the time pass by quickly. It was awesome to walk into the store as the firs customers.

Yes, they had a 10% discount. If you purchase Panther, that would allow a 10% discount on a Mac and and certain software. My wife took advantage and got a PowerBook.

Lacero

Mar 27, 2005, 05:41 PM

Doesn't seem likely Apple with ship Tiger on April 15th. We are already nearing March.

~loserman~

Mar 27, 2005, 10:30 PM

Doesn't seem likely Apple with ship Tiger on April 15th. We are already nearing March.

I have been very doubtful of the April 15 release date rumor.
Lately It seems that I might be proven wrong. The seeds Are becoming more solid.
Apple also has 2 big shows FOSE and NAB coming up in April giving them 2 reasonable outlets to try to steal a show with a big announcement.
My bet would be for a NAB announcement.

~loserman~

Mar 27, 2005, 10:34 PM

Thanks, I camped the night before the Regent Street Store opening, the atmosphere was electric, if people are planning on going i'll definitely be there!

No offense intended here BUT.....

If you find the announcement/release of a new piece of software as something that qualifies as an "electric atmosphere" you might consider getting a life. :)

J@ffa

Mar 28, 2005, 02:14 AM

No offense intended here BUT.....

If you find the announcement/release of a new piece of software as something that qualifies as an "electric atmosphere" you might consider getting a life. :)

Sorry, didn't mean to bother you in the break you took from that drug-filled sex party you were just at to post on a computer rumour forum. We all wish we had a life and a username as good as yours. :)

J@ffa

Mar 28, 2005, 02:18 AM

The one advantage of waiting till it is released is that you ensure you buy a machine that is known to be compatible with it. Since Apple has not yet released the system requirements for Tiger, waiting till it is released will ensure that you know you get a machine that is definitely compatible with it.

On this point, I'd assume that Tiger's compatible with machines that currently run Panther. Obviously, as with Panther, some of the higher-end graphics features might not run, but just about any G3 or G4 will likely run it. I'm sure we'd have heard if, say, Tiger wasn't compatible with G3 iBooks or somesuch.

john_satc

Mar 28, 2005, 04:07 AM

wrldwzrd89

Mar 28, 2005, 04:13 AM

with past releases of mac os' , like panther, have they conincided with store openings? the apple store in birmingham still hasn't opened, and i was told possible opening in april - do you think it could open the same day as tiger is released, if it is april 15?
Yes, I think that is a definite possibility. The Panther release coincided with the opening of several new Apple Stores, including the one I visit at Legacy Village in Lyndhurst, OH.

john_satc

Mar 28, 2005, 04:21 AM

Yes, I think that is a definite possibility. The Panther release coincided with the opening of several new Apple Stores, including the one I visit at Legacy Village in Lyndhurst, OH.

Ah great! And is there 10% off everything in store, im sure someone said. Do you think I can use a studnt discount aswell as this, and is there any possibility of new iMacs being out by then?

applemacmad

Mar 28, 2005, 04:29 AM

When i tried to use my 10% discount card (lucky bag) with an educational discount they said yes on the phone but wouldnt let me on the da.y :(

kettle

Mar 28, 2005, 04:42 AM

Sorry, didn't mean to bother you in the break you took from that drug-filled sex party you were just at to post on a computer rumour forum. We all wish we had a life and a username as good as yours. :)

he he, that made me laugh, it's true about people who go about telling others to get a life.

he he

I love striking up conversations with fellow Mac users I occasionally meet in "PC World" in the UK. It really makes my worthless excuse for a life worth living. :D

wrldwzrd89

Mar 28, 2005, 05:02 AM

Ah great! And is there 10% off everything in store, im sure someone said. Do you think I can use a studnt discount aswell as this, and is there any possibility of new iMacs being out by then?
Apple is, at best, inconsistent about student discounts on hardware. At some stores, they won't do them at all and send you online. At others, they're honored. I don't know if Apple forbids using a student discount in conjunction with a one-day offer like the one at the Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther" release. As far as iMacs go, after looking at the buyer's guide, I'd say the chance of that happening is around 60%, possibly higher - basically, the odds look to be in your favor at this point.

john_satc

Mar 28, 2005, 05:58 AM

Apple is, at best, inconsistent about student discounts on hardware. At some stores, they won't do them at all and send you online. At others, they're honored. I don't know if Apple forbids using a student discount in conjunction with a one-day offer like the one at the Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther" release. As far as iMacs go, after looking at the buyer's guide, I'd say the chance of that happening is around 60%, possibly higher - basically, the odds look to be in your favor at this point.

Ah cheers! We need a iMac for the house, and I am looking to get one for me personally and selling my iBook when new ones iMacs come out. If I can use student discounnt with the 10% off that would be excellent! thanks 4 your help

BillHarrison

Mar 28, 2005, 06:17 AM

Yes, I think that is a definite possibility. The Panther release coincided with the opening of several new Apple Stores, including the one I visit at Legacy Village in Lyndhurst, OH.

Thats my closest store, but have yet to go. I am in Akron, and will be there on the release date :D

Bill

BillHarrison

Mar 28, 2005, 06:21 AM

No offense intended here BUT.....

If you find the announcement/release of a new piece of software as something that qualifies as an "electric atmosphere" you might consider getting a life. :)

No offense intended here BUT.....

Some of us find this interesting, and still have lives - Its something we are interested in, and is fun for us. I go to clubs / bars too.... But thats not all there is to life.

PS, for someone that often brags about being "Highly Influential" to apple with 1835 some odd Xserves (that would make one of the worlds largest supercomputers, yet I have yet to find out where they are "hidden"), you don't have much room to talk.

Of course, No offense intended :D