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paranoia101
May 18, 2011, 05:04 AM
Ok, this isnt like the plenty of other threads out there. I know the seemingly most obvious choice would be to clean install, but I have many files on my mac that are extremely important to me. ANd I don't know whether drag and drop techniques work. I have after effects and photoshop installed along with a bunch of other adobe stuff. Preferences and programs, will they still be there?
I'm really confused as to what the drag and drop techniques applies to. If it applies to everything, I'll go ahead with it. But im not so sure about this yet, and I dont want to give my mac up to whatever awaits in the unknown. My path must be clear before I proceed. ( lol, im so mystic , too much wow )

Pls help me out here, I dont post often on these forums and i find the people here to be friendly and helpful. And yeah, 10.7 is too buggy. Waaaaayy to buggy. Nice one, steve jobs. ( sarcasm ):confused::confused:



hopejr
May 18, 2011, 05:16 AM
Ok, this isnt like the plenty of other threads out there. I know the seemingly most obvious choice would be to clean install, but I have many files on my mac that are extremely important to me. ANd I don't know whether drag and drop techniques work. I have after effects and photoshop installed along with a bunch of other adobe stuff. Preferences and programs, will they still be there?
I'm really confused as to what the drag and drop techniques applies to. If it applies to everything, I'll go ahead with it. But im not so sure about this yet, and I dont want to give my mac up to whatever awaits in the unknown. My path must be clear before I proceed. ( lol, im so mystic , too much wow )
I don't have Lion, but drag and drop should work just like in previous versions. I don't really know what this has to do with rolling back anyway.
The best thing is to probably just use an external hdd and copy all your documents to that and then do a clean install. For the Adobe stuff, choose "Deactivate" from the Help menu so that you can reactivate it when you reinstall Snow Leopard or whatever you had before.

Why install a pre-release version of an OS on your main computer anyway (I'm assuming you've done this, because of your hysteria; either that, or you're trolling).

And as for this:
And yeah, 10.7 is too buggy. Waaaaayy to buggy. Nice one, steve jobs. ( sarcasm ):confused::confused:
It's PREVIEW software, not final software. What do you expect?????

dethmaShine
May 18, 2011, 05:31 AM
Ok, this isnt like the plenty of other threads out there. I know the seemingly most obvious choice would be to clean install.


Are you a developer? It's best to ask on devforums in that case.

A clean install would be great but SL gave you an option for Archive and install. I don't think that's applicable now as you will have a higher installation build of the mac installation app. :|


but I have many files on my mac that are extremely important to me. ANd I don't know whether drag and drop techniques work. I have after effects and photoshop installed along with a bunch of other adobe stuff. Preferences and programs, will they still be there?


Copy the required plist files from Lion and transfer them to SL. i.e. take a backup on dropbox. If you have mobileMe, sync your settings/preferences to mobileme and that will do it for you.

I think it should work. There shouldn't be any problem with 3rd party softwares which haven't been updated to Lion yet.


I'm really confused as to what the drag and drop techniques applies to. If it applies to everything, I'll go ahead with it. But im not so sure about this yet, and I dont want to give my mac up to whatever awaits in the unknown. My path must be clear before I proceed. ( lol, im so mystic , too much wow )


In any situation, you first need a backup. Backup everything on an external drive cause lost info is lost. Data is more important than money. Just in case...

Drag and drop for Applications won't solve the problem of transfer of settings. Drag and drop of Applications only copies the apps. When the app is started on a new install, a plist file is created in the ~/Library/Preferences or the desired path and new settings are applied.

Pls help me out here, I dont post often on these forums and i find the people here to be friendly and helpful. And yeah, 10.7 is too buggy. Waaaaayy to buggy. Nice one, steve jobs. ( sarcasm ):confused::confused:

Steve Jobs doesn't code. Also, these builds are supposed to be buggy. And one shouldn't use these for any serious work.

I am not sure if you are a developer as you don't seem to be. But any case, spend some money and get a backup disk if you fear of losing any data. Data is more important than money [here at least].

roadbloc
May 18, 2011, 05:48 AM
Pls help me out here, I dont post often on these forums and i find the people here to be friendly and helpful. And yeah, 10.7 is too buggy. Waaaaayy to buggy. Nice one, steve jobs. ( sarcasm ):confused::confused:

It is a developer preview... it's bound to be buggy, it aint even in beta yet.
As for downgrading, I'd personally backup your documents and apps and do a clean install. Just shove your Snow Leopard disk in, erase the HD and then install.

brijazz
May 18, 2011, 06:23 AM
Are you a developer?

Of course he is! That's the only way to get a copy of Lion, right? Anyone who's not a dev but still runs illegal copies of Lion without knowing what they're doing deserves the problems they get, right? :rolleyes:

dethmaShine
May 18, 2011, 07:30 AM
Of course he is! That's the only way to get a copy of Lion, right? Anyone who's not a dev but still runs illegal copies of Lion without knowing what they're doing deserves the problems they get, right? :rolleyes:

I am sorry but what do you mean?

Outsider
May 18, 2011, 09:12 AM
Of course he is! That's the only way to get a copy of Lion, right? Anyone who's not a dev but still runs illegal copies of Lion without knowing what they're doing deserves the problems they get, right? :rolleyes:

They don't "deserve" the problems, but they should not be surprised by them.

paranoia101
May 20, 2011, 03:25 AM
Hey guys! Thanks for the quick replies. I was busy with work and all, but finally found time to check back. Yeah, I guess I'll have to resort to that, shouldn't be TOO hard. I'll wing it and see what happens after that.

Should have used this on a partition, not my main system. The reason I didn't think of that is because all my important data and documents are on my desktop, which I doubt I'll ever tinker with.

Will reply in a few hrs after I do it.

PS: Rapture tmr?

Oh, I know he doesn't code, its just that hes technically the CEO of Apple, so he's responsible for what he chugs out. ANd when I say work, I meant school. High school doesn't leave u with much spare time.

Copy the required plist files from Lion and transfer them to SL. i.e. take a backup on dropbox. If you have mobileMe, sync your settings/preferences to mobileme and that will do it for you.

Plist files? I dont know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by dethmaShine
Are you a developer?
Of course he is! That's the only way to get a copy of Lion, right? Anyone who's not a dev but still runs illegal copies of Lion without knowing what they're doing deserves the problems they get, right?

ERmm, I'm far form a developer. My friends helped me install it and he said that it was fully legal. Shouldn't have trusted him *sigh*

zeemeerman2
May 20, 2011, 04:03 AM
Plist files:
For example, look in ~/Library/Safari to see Bookmarks.plist. This file holds all your Safari bookmarks.
So if you do a clean install of OSX, safari will also be installed; but you can only get your bookmarks back if you copied this file first to an external disk (or USB stick), installed OSX and put it back in the respective Library folder.

Newbie help:
~ = Your home folder (aka the folder with your short username)

mrkramer
May 20, 2011, 04:10 AM
ERmm, I'm far form a developer. My friends helped me install it and he said that it was fully legal. Shouldn't have trusted him *sigh*

Your friend was lying to you, unless you've paid for the developer program, the only way to get lion is by pirating it. And as it is still beta software, it is eхpecked to have bugs, you shouldn't use beta software for any serious work besides testing for compatibility.

dethmaShine
May 20, 2011, 05:29 AM
Oh, I know he doesn't code, its just that hes technically the CEO of Apple, so he's responsible for what he chugs out. [quote]

No. He's not. DP's and betas are supposed to be buggy and one should base their work on these beta softwares, just like you wouldn't travel in a faulty car and risk your life.
[quote]
ANd when I say work, I meant school. High school doesn't leave u with much spare time.


Oh! OK. Shouldn't be much of an issue then.

Plist files? I dont know what you're talking about.


Property list files and other document files where the applications store their settings.

Usually located in ~/Library/Preferences
~/Library/Application\ Support/

ERmm, I'm far form a developer. My friends helped me install it and he said that it was fully legal. Shouldn't have trusted him *sigh*

It's illegal to use OS X Lion if you're not a developer. Maybe, your punishment is losing all your important work.

Please tell your friends that if they are using Lion without a developer license, they are using it illegally and can have issues.

amorya
May 20, 2011, 09:07 AM
Please tell your friends that if they are using Lion without a developer license, they are using it illegally and can have issues.

For the record, you can have issues even if you are a developer and using it legally. That's why they always warn you not to install it on a mission critical machine.

paranoia101
May 21, 2011, 12:36 AM
Wow, macrumours has abssolutely amazing ppl. No joke, other forums are populated with trolls or ignorant people who never reply.

Plist files:
For example, look in ~/Library/Safari to see Bookmarks.plist. This file holds all your Safari bookmarks.
So if you do a clean install of OSX, safari will also be installed; but you can only get your bookmarks back if you copied this file first to an external disk (or USB stick), installed OSX and put it back in the respective Library folder.

Oh, THAT's what it does, silly me. I once deleted all of them since my safari wouldn't open.

Mr Kramer,

Your friend was lying to you, unless you've paid for the developer program, the only way to get lion is by pirating it. And as it is still beta software, it is eхpecked to have bugs, you shouldn't use beta software for any serious work besides testing for compatibility.

Guessed that much. He already reverted though, but he didn't have the brain to do some research first so all his data was lost, and that was his main computer! Serves him right, lying to me ( geez...)

PS: Are u THE Andrew Kramer?

Quote:
ANd when I say work, I meant school. High school doesn't leave u with much spare time.
Oh! OK. Shouldn't be much of an issue then.

Quote:
Plist files? I dont know what you're talking about.
Property list files and other document files where the applications store their settings.

Usually located in ~/Library/Preferences
~/Library/Application\ Support/

Quote:
ERmm, I'm far form a developer. My friends helped me install it and he said that it was fully legal. Shouldn't have trusted him *sigh*
It's illegal to use OS X Lion if you're not a developer. Maybe, your punishment is losing all your important work.

Please tell your friends that if they are using Lion without a developer license, they are using it illegally and can have issues.

zeemerman told me what plist files are already, but thanks anyway.

I have a backup of my documents in my external HDD, so it'll be ok.

They already reverted, with a complete loss of data! Epic fail on their part.

For the record, you can have issues even if you are a developer and using it legally. That's why they always warn you not to install it on a mission critical machine.

The bugs didn't really bother me at first, but after a while they seem to slow down system performance and I just can't take that,

I haven't downgraded yet, firstly because I have some unknown thing taking up a 100GB of my space, so I can't use the drag and drop technique. I can't use hard disks too, cos NTFS 3G aint working for me for some reason. I plan to either find the source of memory clogging, or reformat my brothers hard disk to FAT-32.

Which one would you recommend? ( FYI, he doesnt have anything that I dont have on my hard disk already, so dont worry. I just wanna know which will be easier to do ) And for the memory thing, should I start a new thread?

paranoia101
May 21, 2011, 11:42 AM
Did I say something wrong? I'm sry...

But anyways, I got around to reformatting the drive. But noow I'm stuck with not knowing what to transfer, Can I transfer the whole user file with the library and everything? Will it be ok? I really need some assistance here. :(

Yamcha
May 21, 2011, 03:56 PM
I've got OSX Lion Developer Preview 3 installed, and I can drag and drop just fine, of course it is buggy still, about half of my applications don't work, but the ones I really need luckily do..

paranoia101
May 22, 2011, 10:38 PM
Hey, Sry I've been late in replying. I thought i submitted a post but i guess it didnt get through. Yeah, i know the technique, its just what to transfer that im not sure. Do I copy the entire user folder or what? Thanks for being so patient with me. Cheers :p

mrkramer
May 22, 2011, 11:48 PM
PS: Are u THE Andrew Kramer?




Nope, and as far as I know there's no relation.

John89
May 23, 2011, 01:39 AM
And yeah, 10.7 is too buggy. Waaaaayy to buggy. Nice one, steve jobs.

It's a dev preview. This goes without saying...:rolleyes:

paranoia101
May 23, 2011, 02:59 AM
Hmm, ok? I appreciate all these replies very much, but I'd prefer it if we just stuck to topic. :p

Yeah, I wanna know what exactly should I transfer when I use the drag and drop technique. Even a link would be appreciated. ;)

paranoia101
May 25, 2011, 06:07 AM
Ok, since there's been a rather significant lack of replys lately, I'm going to take this into my own hands. Im going to transfer the entire user folder, along with everything else EXCEPT the system folder. Is tht ok? PLease reply and give me your thoughts on this

Krevnik
May 25, 2011, 03:09 PM
Ok, since there's been a rather significant lack of replys lately, I'm going to take this into my own hands. Im going to transfer the entire user folder, along with everything else EXCEPT the system folder. Is tht ok? PLease reply and give me your thoughts on this

Sounds fine to me. I usually grab Applications and User (anything that puts stuff into Library I reinstall from scratch).

The 100GB going missing is probably from Time Machine snapshots that allow you to make backups of files without putting it on another drive. Turn it off and you can reclaim it.

EDIT: I also manually copy information back from the backup of Applications and User piecemeal. I don't copy Apple apps, or even preferences unless I need to (since some of them are tied to the system).

Synaesthesia242
May 25, 2011, 03:36 PM
You know if you go to Software Update on your Mac there have been software updates which have made Lion a LOT more stable. Have you tried that?

paranoia101
May 25, 2011, 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by paranoia101
Ok, since there's been a rather significant lack of replys lately, I'm going to take this into my own hands. Im going to transfer the entire user folder, along with everything else EXCEPT the system folder. Is tht ok? PLease reply and give me your thoughts on this
Sounds fine to me. I usually grab Applications and User (anything that puts stuff into Library I reinstall from scratch).

The 100GB going missing is probably from Time Machine snapshots that allow you to make backups of files without putting it on another drive. Turn it off and you can reclaim it.

EDIT: I also manually copy information back from the backup of Applications and User piecemeal. I don't copy Apple apps, or even preferences unless I need to (since some of them are tied to the system).

Oh wow, didn't know that. Stupid time machine, taking all my precious space. Im gonna wait a little while more and see if updates fix the bugs.. Thanks, was looking for a reply like this.

Synaesthesia242 You know if you go to Software Update on your Mac there have been software updates which have made Lion a LOT more stable. Have you tried that?

REally? Going to check it right now. When did it come out? Thanks for the notification.

Synaesthesia242
May 26, 2011, 01:50 AM
There were two major updates I think, maybe even 3. My current version of Lion is 11A459e - you can check by going to "about this mac" and clicking on "version 10.7"

roadbloc
May 26, 2011, 02:44 AM
REally? Going to check it right now. When did it come out? Thanks for the notification.

If you didn't know this, you clearly shouldn't be using computers at all. Never mind messing around with a Dev Preview of one.

paranoia101
May 26, 2011, 03:08 AM
Wow, you're right! THanks for letting me know. Can't update yet, still at school. It blocks the update somehow. My build is build 11A390, way back from yours. Will update and try again. Oh and by the way, the huge thing taking up 100GB was my trash. Hadn't emptied it for quite a while. Silly me! It was all cos of Grand Perspective that I found the source of space gobbling! Thanks all

If you didn't know this, you clearly shouldn't be using computers at all. Never mind messing around with a Dev Preview of one.

WEll that was unnecessarily harsh. Unlike some people, I don't refresh the update page every 1 minute. I check for updates every two weeks, so bear with me. -_-

Synaesthesia242
May 26, 2011, 04:17 AM
You can also torrent the updates.

Mal
May 26, 2011, 10:08 AM
You can also torrent the updates.

Not legally. We don't discuss that sort of thing on the forum, as it's against the Forum Rules (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=c6684b5502fa2a415a104d824988c196&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.macrumors.com%2Fnewreply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26p%3D12633324&v=1&libid=1306422466134&out=http%3A%2F%2Fguides.macrumors.com%2FHelp%3AForum_Rules&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.macrumors.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1155156%26page%3D2&title=MacRumors%20Forums%20-%20Reply%20to%20Topic&txt=Rules).

jW

paranoia101
May 26, 2011, 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Synaesthesia242
You can also torrent the updates.
Not legally. We don't discuss that sort of thing on the forum, as it's against the Forum Rules.

jW

Oh, thats ok. Thanks for the notice though, but I doubt that I would. There doesnt seem to be any available updates for it. So I think I'll just be downgrading. Just to recap, transfer the user folder, applications and everything else except system rite? If i make it a hybrid, it'll just screw everything up, right?

Synaesthesia242
May 27, 2011, 01:37 AM
Right. Actually, don't move over /Applications, beacause many built in applications won't work with earlier versions of OS X.

I would just move all your documents in yer home folder.

dchao
May 27, 2011, 06:54 PM
WEll that was unnecessarily harsh. Unlike some people, I don't refresh the update page every 1 minute. I check for updates every two weeks, so bear with me. -_-

Developer Preview 2 and 3 are delivered via App Store, not the normal "software update". People got the updates in a special coupon code from the Apple Custom Seeding Program, and they have to sign an NDA for each one, and then redeem the code from App Store.

If someone's trying to distribute one of these updates on the Internet with AppleSeed ID and password, and gets found out by Apple, Apple could revoke his/her developer status.

As of today, the latest build is 11A459e, and your build of 11A390 of course will be much more buggy than the latest build.

paranoia101
May 28, 2011, 12:54 AM
Synaesthesia242 Right. Actually, don't move over /Applications, beacause many built in applications won't work with earlier versions of OS X.

I would just move all your documents in yer home folder.

I know that, but I have some huge-ass apps and I'm not quite in the mood of reinstalling all of them. ill just wing it and see what happens. If anything goes wrong, I might as well just delete it.

Developer Preview 2 and 3 are delivered via App Store, not the normal "software update". People got the updates in a special coupon code from the Apple Custom Seeding Program, and they have to sign an NDA for each one, and then redeem the code from App Store.

If someone distributes these updates on the Internet with AppleSeed ID and password, and gets found out by Apple, Apple could revoke his/her developer status.

As of today, the latest build is 11A459e, and your build of 11A390 of course will be much more buggy than the latest build.

O.O .. ok? I gather that I should just downgrade and avoid all the hassle that you mentioned?

dchao
May 28, 2011, 01:23 AM
I know that, but I have some huge-ass apps and I'm not quite in the mood of reinstalling all of them. ill just wing it and see what happens. If anything goes wrong, I might as well just delete it.

O.O .. ok? I gather that I should just downgrade and avoid all the hassle that you mentioned?

Just downgrade to avoid future problems. If you have some applications that too complicated to re-install or lost the install CD, just copy the them from the Application folder back to the SnowLeo HD, it should be ok most of the time.

paranoia101
May 30, 2011, 03:19 AM
Just downgrade to avoid future problems. If you have some applications that too complicated to re-install or lost the install CD, just copy the them from the Application folder back to the SnowLeo HD, it should be ok most of the time.

Ok, with that, I can gather that the general consensus is just to downgrade. But being my stubborn self, I'm just gonna stick with it and see what happens. Thnx for eveeythin :p

jackhdev
May 30, 2011, 11:17 AM
Just a note, I tried downgrading from Lion to Snow Leopard and everything got messed up. Final Cut Studio and Aperture wouldn't open because they are tied to the frameworks in Lion, which are missing in Snow Leopard. Additionally, plugins for Safari wouldn't work, and there were a few more issues.

paranoia101
Jun 1, 2011, 06:35 AM
Is that so? I didn't know that. Well, if it's only those two things and a few safari plugins, I guess it won't be much of a problem right?