Stuffit Deluxe 7?

[MacRumors]

Aladdin Systems is rumored to released Stuffit Deluxe 7.0 for the Macintosh very soon

Stuffit Deluxe is currently at version 7.5 for Windows, and 6.5 for the Macintosh. The new versions is reported to improve compression up to 30%.

[mac15]

its been floating around the web for about 3 weeks, but I haven't had the chance to grab it, so if anyone picks up a copy, post some pics

[j763]

hopefully we get our magic menu back in 10.2

quite bizarre that apple's blocked thirdparty menubar apps... spoke to some very good techs at apple and couldn't get anyone to give me a reason for it.

[nickmcghie]

Originally posted by Macrumors
The new versions is reported to improve compression up to 30%.

Does this mean its a different compression format? Will it be compatible with previous versions of Stuffit Expander? (meaning will older versions of expander be able to open files compressed with Stuffit Deluxe 7?)

[j763]

Originally posted by j763
hopefully we get our magic menu back in 10.2

quite bizarre that apple's blocked thirdparty menubar apps... spoke to some very good techs at apple and couldn't get anyone to give me a reason for it.

Well, I managed to hack around Apple's little third-party menubar blocking under 10.2

Check out the results at ambitiouslemon.com!

[guifa]

Did Apple really kill support for 3rd party menu apps or did they change the API? I know that Xenon of Massinova had no trouble whatsoever getting a .menu extra out as soon as Jaguar was released, and he's not someone who I've known to be be incredibly good at hacking his way through stuff, rather one who is outstanding at using existing frameworks (his claims to fame: first 3rd part .menu application, first 3rd party Sherlock channel, etc).

Unless someone who knows a lot more about the situation than me can explain more, I'm inclined to believe that all that's happened is that the API has changed, especially since Apple engineers have made no mention of killing .menus on their lists, rather discussing ways to make them easy to implement (Tim Bumgarner, AS Studio engineer).

guifa

[serpicolugnut]

No, Apple deliberately went out of their way to disable Menubar functionality for 3rd party developers under 10.2.

Read the review from ARS Technica, which goes in depth about how Apple deliberately blocked the functionality.

ARS Technica (http://arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3/macosx-10.2/macosx-10.2-5.html#api-wars)

[shingles]

Why would anyone bother to pay for this when there are several completely free and standard compression tools bundled with OS X? You don't even need to use the command line (although it's perfectly easy) - you can use OpenUp.app to make tar.gz archives. You could use DiskCopy to make a compressed disk image, if you have crappy applications that need resource forks preserved. I just don't get why Stuffit is still around.

[Sayer]

Crappy resource forks? Those "crappy" resource forks were way more advanced than any flat file format anywhere in 1984, 1994... And OpenUp was/is one of the dumbest apps to grace the Mac platform, putting compressed files not with the original file (like Stuffit), but in some obscure folder making you go hunt for it.

Why use a GUI at all on OS X, just go to the login screen and type user >Console and have at the full screen CLI. Heck why use a Mac if we have to use flat files and file type extensions, just use Windoze. Why have any advantage on the Mac with compatibility tools built in when you can just default to the lowest possible common denominator?

By the way there are ways to put items in the menu bar, just not the same way Apple is using.

Why Apple bocked their "private" API while leaving the other less fancy one in place is beyond me.

Docklings were never officially open, and were taken away in 10.1 in favor of menu items. Maybe Apple has/had plans to replace menu items with something else. Who knows - its Apple's operating system. We just get to use it.

[grovel]

Hopefully they've fixed the truncation problem with long filenames... I have run in to so many problems with that.

[julzmon]

I don't know what you are talking about.
My Launchbar still works just fine. It has the last build date in June.

[MM2270]

Well, here's the press release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020919/sfth024_1.html

I'm not sure if I'll bother with this upgrade or not. I use to have the latest versions of Stuffit, but under all versions of X I've had, it INSISTS on opening up the full Stuffit Deluxe when I d/l a file , instead of post-processing with Expander. I can't seem to ever convince it to use Expander, unless I completely delete the full Stuffit from my HD. And yes, I've tried telling OS X to open .sit, .zip, .tar, etc files with Expander ALWAYS, but it doesn't seem to make a difference for me. If I hear that that prob was fixed, then I'll consider upgrading.

Or, if anyone has an idea how to get that to work, I'd appreciate the lesson.

[ddtlm]

Hmmm, so OSX 10.2 has nice tools already, including zip/unzip, bzip/bunzip. gzip/gunzip and the tar program (tar cfz <filename.tar.gz> <files>).

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by MM2270
Well, here's the press release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020919/sfth024_1.html

I'm not sure if I'll bother with this upgrade or not. I use to have the latest versions of Stuffit, but under all versions of X I've had, it INSISTS on opening up the full Stuffit Deluxe when I d/l a file , instead of post-processing with Expander. I can't seem to ever convince it to use Expander, unless I completely delete the full Stuffit from my HD. And yes, I've tried telling OS X to open .sit, .zip, .tar, etc files with Expander ALWAYS, but it doesn't seem to make a difference for me. If I hear that that prob was fixed, then I'll consider upgrading.

Or, if anyone has an idea how to get that to work, I'd appreciate the lesson.

What browser are you using? If you're using a browser that specifies 'helper apps', like IE, then it ignores what the OS thinks the file should be opened in and sends it straight to the helper app for the given file type. Try going into preferences and changing the helper app setting for your .sit files to only use Expander.

[MisterMe]

Originally posted by serpicolugnut
No, Apple deliberately went out of their way to disable Menubar functionality for 3rd party developers under 10.2.

Read the review from ARS Technica, which goes in depth about how Apple deliberately blocked the functionality.

ARS Technica (http://arstechnica.com/reviews/02q3/macosx-10.2/macosx-10.2-5.html#api-wars)

Amazing, truly amazing. Here we have children telling each other ghost stories and cowering in fear. With all due respect to Ars Technica, why don't you go to the Stuffit Deluxe 7 website (http://www.stuffit.com/stuffit/deluxe/whatsnew.html) to see for yourself. Just in case you are too frightened to look, Aladdin Systems claims that Stuffit Deluxe 7 is MacOS X 10.2 compatible and that it includes Magic Menu. Of course, they could be wrong, but somehow I doubt it.

[mike_ff]

what about long file names? Will 7 still truncate file names. This is a show stopper for me.

[seven5]

is the new stuffit multithreaded? or even faster? cause untarring things from the command line is way faster..... and unstuffing a stuffed file takes forever...and you can't do more than one at a time, its retarded...

also, is there a commandline version of stuffit yet?!?!? when i'm ssh'd into my mac, i'd like to compress some files with forks, and currently i can't do that, its lame, and so are forks.....

ps: i could care less if forks were advacnced in 1984, its 2002 for gods sakes and the rest of the world does not use these.... lets get compatible with the rest of the world....

[arn]

Originally posted by seven5

also, is there a commandline version of stuffit yet?!?!? when i'm ssh'd into my mac, i'd like to compress some files with forks, and currently i can't do that, its lame, and so are forks.....

No commandline version that I know of, but you can do the following:

open -a /path/to/DropStuff filename

The only problem is it pops up a dialog which you need to click through if you aren't registered. I assume this doesn't happen if you register, but I haven't.

arn

[rugby]

There is a cli tool, here's a copy/paste from the readme:
Command Line Tools ReadMe
------------------------------------------

Installation:

1. Open a terminal window
2. Navigate to the Command Line Tools folder in the StuffIt Deluxe Folder
3. Type: ./installclt
4. When prompted, enter your administrator password.

Using:

1. Open a terminal window

2. For a quick list of stuff or unstuff parameters type:
stuff -h
or unstuff -h




Originally posted by arn


No commandline version that I know of, but you can do the following:

open -a /path/to/DropStuff filename

The only problem is it pops up a dialog which you need to click through if you aren't registered. I assume this doesn't happen if you register, but I haven't.

arn

[123]

Originally posted by seven5

also, is there a commandline version of stuffit yet?!?!? when i'm ssh'd into my mac, i'd like to compress some files with forks, and currently i can't do that, its lame, and so are forks.....

ps: i could care less if forks were advacnced in 1984, its 2002 for gods sakes and the rest of the world does not use these.... lets get compatible with the rest of the world....

Try hfstar

http://www.geocities.com/paulotex/tar/

works like tar but with resource fork support:

stuff
hfstar zfc dest source

unstuff
hfstar zxf file

[iJon]

go to versiontracker.com, stuffit deluxe and expander version 7 are out.

iJon

[bignumbers]

Great, another stuffit file format. Last time that happened the new wonderful format wasn't any better than the last and existed solely to send people to Aladdin's web site to view their ads. What BS. There's no great need or benefit for yet another format. Bah!

[mac15]

just got stuffit 7 deluxe and its alot faster, in compression and decompression, and finally a magic menu, but it looks a little weird

[Hemingray]

I decided to take the plunge too and buy it. I've been putting off getting StuffIt Deluxe for years and years... I am confident this version is going to suit my needs, and the new .sitx format sounds pretty good to me.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by mike_ff
what about long file names? Will 7 still truncate file names. This is a show stopper for me.

Nope, 7 now supports names up to 256 characters.

[j763]

Originally posted by MisterMe


Amazing, truly amazing. Here we have children telling each other ghost stories and cowering in fear. With all due respect to Ars Technica, why don't you go to the Stuffit Deluxe 7 website (http://www.stuffit.com/stuffit/deluxe/whatsnew.html) to see for yourself. Just in case you are too frightened to look, Aladdin Systems claims that Stuffit Deluxe 7 is MacOS X 10.2 compatible and that it includes Magic Menu. Of course, they could be wrong, but somehow I doubt it.

Apple did break third-party menubar apps very deliberately. As to why they want to keep third-parties out of the menubar, who knows.. but there's an apple knowledge base article and an apple technote at developer.apple.com, both of which say that third-parties are not allowed in the menubar yet offer absolutely no rationale. The guys at Aladdin spent *a lot* of time trying to get MagicMenu working under 10.2, but apple will break it in an update, sure enough.

[j763]

Originally posted by Hemingray
I decided to take the plunge too and buy it.

hehe, i wouldn't assume too quickly that mac15 actually shelled out some$$ for it... ;) :D

[deejemon]

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