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May 27, 2011, 02:04 PM
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Close on the heels of claims of revamped notifications and widgets (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/27/ios-5-to-bring-revamped-notification-system-and-widgets/) in iOS 5, 9to5Google now reports (http://9to5google.com/2011/05/27/source-ios-5-will-continue-to-use-google-mapping-data/) that Apple will continue relying on Google's mapping service for iOS 5, noting that any efforts to sever geolocation ties with Google by moving things entirely in-house have not yet resulted in a finished product.Now, sources have told 9to5Google that although Apple is working to improve the iOS Maps application, iOS 5 will not bring an Apple developed maps service and Google Maps is still in. Besides Apple's purchase of both Placebase and Poly9, some speculated that Apple is building their own maps service to either compete with Google or step away from their input into iOS.Apple has given several indications (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/25/apple-still-seeking-to-radically-improve-maps-for-ios/) that it is looking to make major improvements to the Maps application included in iOS and also revealed (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/27/apple-hints-at-future-turn-by-turn-gps-directions-with-traffic-for-iphone/) that it is building a crowd-sourced traffic database from iOS devices with an eye to rolling out a traffic service presumably linked to a turn-by-turn GPS mapping offering.

Article Link: Apple to Continue Using Google Maps in iOS 5? (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/27/apple-to-continue-using-google-maps-in-ios-5/)



Dr McKay
May 27, 2011, 02:07 PM
Damn. :(

I guess their own maps arent ready.

jonnysods
May 27, 2011, 02:08 PM
That's a pity. This app hasn't seen much update action for a while....

kenypowa
May 27, 2011, 02:12 PM
That's a pity. This app hasn't seen much update action for a while....

And Apple only has itself to blame. They are the one creating Google Maps on iPhone. Hopefully there will be a revision on iOS 5. Google Maps on Android is simply awesome.

Small White Car
May 27, 2011, 02:17 PM
The article should be more clear about the fact that Apple has always made the map app on the iPhone. This story is about where the map data will be coming from. Instead of from Google it may eventually come from an Apple-run service.

The distinction is important because it means that improvements to the maps app in iOS 5 have nothing to do with this rumor. They may update it or they may not but that doesn't depend on where they get the data from.

I, for one, sure hope the app gets some new features this year even if it's not their super-big overhaul project.

baryon
May 27, 2011, 02:30 PM
What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

WestonHarvey1
May 27, 2011, 02:35 PM
What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

The data itself is good, but have a look at the Android version of the client. The iPhone version now looks extremely feature-poor in comparison.

Small White Car
May 27, 2011, 02:35 PM
What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

Just off the top of my head:

1) The ability to add multiple destinations and have it tell me the most efficient way to run my errands.

2) The abilty to turn off local-road traffic. I usually only want to see the freeway situation and all the extra color is just a distraction

3) Turn by turn directions would be great, yeah

4) The ability to search for a thing down the road, like "What's the next Burger King within 5 miles of my route?" which is a very different question than "What's the closest Burger King?"

Those are just 4 things and I didn't even take time to think about the question.

513
May 27, 2011, 02:36 PM
The article should be more clear about the fact that Apple has always made the map app on the iPhone. This story is about where the map data will be coming from. Instead of from Google it may eventually come from an Apple-run service
Really ?
Do you know how much effort Google is putting into Google Maps, worldwide, to upgrade it ? All the business places, streetview, mymaps editor, etc.

It's almost impossible for Apple to reach the level of Google Maps.

tempusfugit
May 27, 2011, 02:37 PM
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Google maps is fine with me, because I'm able to find just about anything on it location-wise.

I use navigon for turn by turn stuff which really works well and even if apple were to put their own map service into iOS I would use navigon for access to all USA mapdata without the need to download information on the go. Having all the map data already on board is huge for me.

thetexan
May 27, 2011, 02:39 PM
All of the Apple default apps like stocks, weather, maps, and Youtube pretty much suck. If Apple were smart they'd just not include the apps on the phone but have them available in the app store so the applications can be updated without relying on waiting for the OS to be updated.

rmwebs
May 27, 2011, 02:47 PM
We dont NEED a new maps app...it works just fine.

Replacing Google Maps just because Steve's in a bad mood is pathetic. Apple doesn't do maps, Google have done it for a long time. Google has licensing agreements with all the major players, Apple does not.

I really cant see their alternative. Its Google, Bing or Yahoo...those are your options.

If its that big a deal, dont ship it with a maps app and let us download whichever one we individually want from the AppStore.

HMFIC03
May 27, 2011, 02:47 PM
All of the Apple default apps like stocks, weather, maps, and Youtube pretty much suck. If Apple were smart they'd just not include the apps on the phone but have them available in the app store so the applications can be updated without relying on waiting for the OS to be updated.

I like your idea of releasing native app updates individually, but you know apple, they like the fanfare of new iOS updates.

WestonHarvey1
May 27, 2011, 02:48 PM
Just off the top of my head:


4) The ability to search for a thing down the road, like "What's the next Burger King within 5 miles of my route?" which is a very different question than "What's the closest Burger King?"



I didn't even know it could do that. That's awesome.

rmwebs
May 27, 2011, 02:49 PM
Just off the top of my head:

1) The ability to add multiple destinations and have it tell me the most efficient way to run my errands.

2) The abilty to turn off local-road traffic. I usually only want to see the freeway situation and all the extra color is just a distraction

3) Turn by turn directions would be great, yeah

4) The ability to search for a thing down the road, like "What's the next Burger King within 5 miles of my route?" which is a very different question than "What's the closest Burger King?"

Those are just 4 things and I didn't even take time to think about the question.

So it needs updating...not replacing. Apple would end up replacing it with an App that does the exact same thing. They need Google to pull the map data, without that its useless. Apple dont have the resources or knowhow to build their own mapping system...its more than a bit of 'magical' programming.

jav6454
May 27, 2011, 03:04 PM
So it needs updating...not replacing. Apple would end up replacing it with an App that does the exact same thing. They need Google to pull the map data, without that its useless. Apple dont have the resources or knowhow to build their own mapping system...its more than a bit of 'magical' programming.

Google is not allowing updating... all they allow Apple is to use the bare bones service...

BMcCoy
May 27, 2011, 03:11 PM
My 'most wanted' update to Maps is better control over caching.

This would be particularly useful for travelling abroad, when I want to switch off data roaming to avoid crazy charges, or even just knowing I can have a map available locally, even if the signal is poor/non-existent.

AppleDroid
May 27, 2011, 03:14 PM
What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

Because sometimes Google Maps is horribly inaccurate?

daneoni
May 27, 2011, 03:19 PM
The Maps & Youtube app are in dire need of an update.

nagromme
May 27, 2011, 03:19 PM
That's a pity. This app hasn't seen much update action for a while....

The app is Apple’s work (pulling data from Google’s back end). So they can keep improving it (as they have in the past) even if they stay with Google.

And I hope they do stay with Google for now, because the app works great as is! The transit features are awesome, and it’s all quick and easy and detailed—and accurate. Maybe I’m just lucky in the cities where I go! (And for voice guidance, I love the Navigon MyRegion app anyway.)

Now, in the end Apple may need to move on—they don’t want Google to have power over a key app. But that’s someday. No need to rush the change.

iStudentUK
May 27, 2011, 03:24 PM
The Maps & Youtube app are in dire need of an update.

I agree both could be improved and could have more functionality. However, I'd like Apple to keep using Google Maps, just make the app itself better.

rmwebs
May 27, 2011, 03:24 PM
Because sometimes Google Maps is horribly inaccurate?

Care to share an alternative that offers a better service yet the same features, license and API as Google Maps? :rolleyes:

Google is not allowing updating... all they allow Apple is to use the bare bones service...

Eh?! :confused: Did you even read my post?

The Maps app (created by Apple) just needs an update to add a few extra features, all of which already exist in the Google Maps API. It has nothing to do with Google allowing XZY, as far as they are concerned they dont care what parts of the API are used, so long as its Google Maps in use.

zin
May 27, 2011, 03:26 PM
Google Maps is quite okay on the iPhone, in my opinion. The only thing I'd like to see is smooth zooming (something similar to Android). The empty grey squares when you zoom in, filling in randomly, are just ugly.

Mattsasa
May 27, 2011, 03:34 PM
no **** sherlock...

whoever thought otherwise is unintelligent

NoNothing
May 27, 2011, 03:40 PM
Because sometimes Google Maps is horribly inaccurate?

I am finding that as well. It seems, any more, many of the maps are 5-10 years old and my car has more up-to-date information.

I have started migrating back to MapQuest. The maps are much higher quality and they are consistently accurate.

fxtech
May 27, 2011, 03:41 PM
Because sometimes Google Maps is horribly inaccurate?

And Apple's would ALWAYS be perfectly accurate?

vvswarup
May 27, 2011, 03:46 PM
We dont NEED a new maps app...it works just fine.

Replacing Google Maps just because Steve's in a bad mood is pathetic. Apple doesn't do maps, Google have done it for a long time. Google has licensing agreements with all the major players, Apple does not.

I really cant see their alternative. Its Google, Bing or Yahoo...those are your options.

If its that big a deal, dont ship it with a maps app and let us download whichever one we individually want from the AppStore.

Replacing Google Maps just because Steve's in a bad mood is pathetic.

Evidently, you don't understand business. By using Google Maps, Google has the ability to data-mine information off the iPhone, giving them a chance to get revenue off of the iOS platform.

Google and Apple are competing against each other right now. Right now, Google earns a lot of revenue from iOS users by virtue of default Google search and Maps. Apple needs to cut Google out of iOS entirely.

Apple doesn't do maps, Google have done it for a long time.

This is why Apple bought out Placebase and Poly9, two major geolocation/map companies.

If its that big a deal, dont ship it with a maps app and let us download whichever one we individually want from the AppStore.

The Maps app provides the barebones service. There are apps in the App Store that provide GPS functionality. Also, you can download another maps app from the App Store if you really want to.

What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

There are apps in the App Store to get that functionality.

Bubba Satori
May 27, 2011, 03:53 PM
And Apple's would ALWAYS be perfectly accurate?

Absolutely.
Besides, yellow tinted screens and backlight bleeding are a perfect match for maps. :D
Everything is Magic when you're wearing Apple goggles.

http://www.daveandthomas.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/cat-goggles.jpg

Oletros
May 27, 2011, 03:56 PM
This is why Apple bought out Placebase and Poly9, two major geolocation/map companies.

But no Poly9 nor Placebase have map tiles, nor street view, nor directions.

spillproof
May 27, 2011, 04:01 PM
If Apple really wants to get away from Google, they should dump the POS YouTube app and have media redirect to the Safari YouTube webpage/app.

toddybody
May 27, 2011, 04:04 PM
Android has wonderful maps through Google. Im sure Apple can follow suit

LoganT
May 27, 2011, 04:05 PM
If Apple really wants to get away from Google, they should dump the POS YouTube app and have media redirect to the Safari YouTube webpage/app.

That would be getting even closer to Google.

Oletros
May 27, 2011, 04:08 PM
If Apple really wants to get away from Google, they should dump the POS YouTube app and have media redirect to the Safari YouTube webpage/app.

If they dump Youtube app (made by Apple, not Google) and redirect to Youtube webapp (made by Google, not Apple) they don't get away from Google, they get away from Apple

AppleDroid
May 27, 2011, 04:11 PM
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Because sometimes Google Maps is horribly inaccurate?

And Apple's would ALWAYS be perfectly accurate?

No but I find it sad that they have been horribly wrong even in the Chicago area. I can understand more rural places might not get the attention but I am talking miles off the target in a heavily populated area.

Rubytone
May 27, 2011, 04:21 PM
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Turn by turn is a pain when data is slow.

Rubytone
May 27, 2011, 04:35 PM
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I could not disagree more. It's the best way to obtain public transit routes, it replaces the yellow pages, it rarely ever comes up "location not found".
Have you used other free map apps? I have. Frustration at best. Incomplete data. Not aware of relevant places in my vicinity.
I have been reading comments on this forum for a long while and never felt the need to post my own, but yours caused me to register so I cold refute you.
I am sure that the app can be improved but it serves me so well at the moment, I consider all of my other data consumtion to be a bonus for all the function I get using this app alone.
Save your condemnation for apps that you have actually spent extra money on.

Cod3rror
May 27, 2011, 05:08 PM
I really hope Apple improves the maps app with or without Google's map data.

I'd love turn-by-turn navigation with offline maps support(pick a country/city download the whole map for it, great for traveling abroad).

Revamped Notifications, Widgets/Live Icons and Much improved Maps app with lots of functions would really make iOS 5 for me.

Pretty much my three biggest wishes for iOS.

Skoal
May 27, 2011, 06:12 PM
And Apple only has itself to blame. They are the one creating Google Maps on iPhone. Hopefully there will be a revision on iOS 5. Google Maps on Android is simply awesome.


EXACTLY! While maps on iOS is useable it hasn't changed a lick and is simply smoked by Androids 5.5 maps! If they could just use googles current maps for android for iOS 5 I'd be happy as Hell until they come up with something better on their own. This is one area where I don't even know if Apple CAN come up with something better.

ciTiger
May 27, 2011, 06:23 PM
That's too bad! I would love to see something new even if just to increase competition...

Skoal
May 27, 2011, 06:23 PM
I've had Google maps fairly regularly give me the right street but the wrong address. As in, if I hadn't known exactly where I was going anyway I would have realized Google had me knocking on a door 10-15 houses away from the right one. This is a particular pain in the ass when your looking for a business, while in traffic, and the business doesn't have a huge sign posted.

Knuthf
May 27, 2011, 06:43 PM
Really ?
Do you know how much effort Google is putting into Google Maps, worldwide, to upgrade it ? All the business places, streetview, mymaps editor, etc.

It's almost impossible for Apple to reach the level of Google Maps.

Oh? It is fully possible by others to be better - e.g. try Nokia's Ovi maps.
They may be cheating since they use maps provided by the individual operators and purchase maps made by 3rd source specialists around the world. Tomkat and Garmin are also known to make good maps available.

So why cannot Apple just focus on fixing the MacOS and do what they are good at, and leave it for me to decide who makes the best maps. I can afford to pay for them, and treasure my right to choose and hate to be told. Its a free world, and if I want pink maps with purple houses and can pay for it, who are you to tell me I cannot get it?

AppleScruff1
May 27, 2011, 06:56 PM
And Apple's would ALWAYS be perfectly accurate?

Of course it would. Unless you hold it wrong. Or look at it wrong. Or read it wrong. Or it will be the satellites fault. Or the carriers fault.

Dagless
May 27, 2011, 06:57 PM
I've always thought that Google Maps on the iPod and iPhone was a great app.

EmmEff
May 27, 2011, 07:40 PM
I'm not sure why Apple thinks it needs to concern itself with a maps service. They're years behind Google Maps and like everything else (ie. iBooks), they'll provide something with minimal functionality that looks better and claim it's as good as the competitors. Enough with the NIH syndrome!

Daveoc64
May 27, 2011, 08:01 PM
IMO Apple should remove YouTube and Maps from iOS and allow Google to release their own Apps.

They could do a much better job.

Popeye206
May 27, 2011, 08:02 PM
And Apple's would ALWAYS be perfectly accurate?

All map services get their base map data from the same place. Some of them modify it, but they all use the same base... In the US, it comes from the USGS. Essentially, they all should have the same base errors.

caspersoong
May 27, 2011, 08:47 PM
Apple will need to get a move on. But I am sure their maps would be even better if they really make it. They have a touch for making things amazing.

Rodimus Prime
May 27, 2011, 08:59 PM
All map services get their base map data from the same place. Some of them modify it, but they all use the same base... In the US, it comes from the USGS. Essentially, they all should have the same base errors.

USGS does not provide all the road maps or even all the elevation maps. They provide generally a good base point but a lot of times cities will have other maps to lay on top of it and then there will be better survey data for areas that have better reading points.
But yeah for the most part same bases. There are only a handful of company that handle it all and put all that data together before they sell it off.

eNcrypTioN
May 27, 2011, 09:05 PM
What's wrong with Google maps? In my opinion Google does a great job with maps.

Rodimus Prime
May 27, 2011, 09:07 PM
IMO Apple should remove YouTube and Maps from iOS and allow Google to release their own Apps.

They could do a much better job.

You do know that Google does not write Apple YouTube and Maps apps. They just use Google as a data source. They are crap because Apple failed to update them or make them any good. Add in the fact that they only get updated about once a year compared to Android were google can and does up date its apps threw out the year. Apple has access to the same data source Google is using for its maps.


What's wrong with Google maps? In my opinion Google does a great job with maps.

As a map source I think google is great. As a route finder it I say it is ok at best. It rout finding algorthems are not nearly as good as like garmen or TomTom.

lilo777
May 27, 2011, 09:54 PM
Because sometimes Google Maps is horribly inaccurate?

They are. But they are do have the best database of them all.

Small White Car
May 27, 2011, 10:17 PM
Really ?
Do you know how much effort Google is putting into Google Maps, worldwide, to upgrade it ? All the business places, streetview, mymaps editor, etc.

It's almost impossible for Apple to reach the level of Google Maps.

Wow, sorry for repeating what the rumor said. I guess that means it's my idea now? You know I didn't write the darn thing, right?

You're also aware, I'm sure, that Google has gotten their map data from multiple sources in the past, right? Early on the web version and the mobile versions were coming from different companies. I believe they've unified them now, but that story should convince you that it's not impossible for other companies to play at this game.

FroMann
May 27, 2011, 11:02 PM
Have Google make the Google Maps and YouTube app.

MacAaron
May 27, 2011, 11:05 PM
If Apple where to get rid of Google Maps then Google would probably come out with a Google Map App for the iPhone anyway

goMac
May 28, 2011, 02:45 AM
Replacing Google Maps just because Steve's in a bad mood is pathetic. Apple doesn't do maps, Google have done it for a long time. Google has licensing agreements with all the major players, Apple does not.

Maps are not some magical secret business. They're just a bunch of image files.

The dirty secret in the industry is that everyone is generating their maps from central sources, like Navteq. If Apple licensed from the same sources they have the same accuracy as everyone else.

SilianRail
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No default turn by turn app in 2011 on a premium device is a disgrace.

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No but I find it sad that they have been horribly wrong even in the Chicago area. I can understand more rural places might not get the attention but I am talking miles off the target in a heavily populated area.

I live in a rural area and I must say, you sir need to pay attention to the road more and stop relying on gadgetry to help you if you are taken miles off track because of some map app.

ann713
May 28, 2011, 03:52 AM
Because sometimes Google Maps is horribly inaccurate?

Agreed. I avoid Maps like the plague. It never fails to route me through Toll roads, which is highly annoying!

baryon
May 28, 2011, 04:14 AM
Just off the top of my head:

1) The ability to add multiple destinations and have it tell me the most efficient way to run my errands.

2) The abilty to turn off local-road traffic. I usually only want to see the freeway situation and all the extra color is just a distraction

3) Turn by turn directions would be great, yeah

4) The ability to search for a thing down the road, like "What's the next Burger King within 5 miles of my route?" which is a very different question than "What's the closest Burger King?"

Those are just 4 things and I didn't even take time to think about the question.

Yeah, I guess those would make sense. I have an iPod Touch so it's very rare that I need maps to work and that it works simultaneously, as there is hardly such a thing as Free WiFi. What I would like therefore is the ability to save an entire city or area in memory so that I don't need WiFi to download map data. It can still locate me based on nearby WiFi signals without having to connect to them.

TuffLuffJimmy
May 28, 2011, 07:15 AM
Google is not allowing updating... all they allow Apple is to use the bare bones service...
Can you back that up? From what I understand Google wants other vendors to use their services, that's what their business model is. It would be petty and a bad business choice for them to not allow their other services. Besides the missing features of the iOS maps application are available on the mobile version of the maps.google.com, so your point is moot.


I prefer and use the maps web application, it's better and has a prettier icon.

KnightWRX
May 28, 2011, 07:29 AM
Instead of reinventing the wheel and building their own data source, Apple should concentrate on making the Maps app better. Use Google as a source, they have all the infrastructure down and built, just give us a better front-end to it.

frjonah
May 28, 2011, 09:45 AM
What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

No offense intended, but if you just wish it had Turn by Turn GPS then you don't think it's perfect.

Others have effectively pointed out the shortcomings in the current Maps app. My personal wishes for additions include the following:


Multiple route options including finding routes without tolls!
A "Find nearest gas" / "Find cheapest gas" utility

Both of these things would save consumers money immediately.

Daveoc64
May 28, 2011, 10:18 AM
You do know that Google does not write Apple YouTube and Maps apps. They just use Google as a data source. They are crap because Apple failed to update them or make them any good. Add in the fact that they only get updated about once a year compared to Android were google can and does up date its apps threw out the year. Apple has access to the same data source Google is using for its maps.

Yes, hence my post, I suggest you read it again.

I said that Apple should remove THEIR apps from the firmware and allow Google to write its own and put them on the App Store.

Boston007
May 28, 2011, 10:23 AM
MapQuest is the best iPhone map app.

Turn by turn AND SPEECH.

WAY better than anything else...and it's free

Xenc
May 28, 2011, 11:22 AM
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Would this force app developers to stop using Google Maps in their applications? A lot of the related mapping services (directions, business listings, etc.) are bound by license to Google Maps tiles.

inlovewithi
May 28, 2011, 12:20 PM
Damn. :(

I guess their own maps arent ready.

Aww :( if only Apple could replace all the other company's logos with an Apple logo, then things would be much better.

Mr. Gates
May 28, 2011, 01:34 PM
Just buy Navigon

Hahaha.

But really, Apple is sitting on a pile of money right now.

As Microsoft has demonstrated with the acquisition of Skype, now is the time for the giants to flex a little muscle.

Companies who save and never take chances loose.

We will all benefit from a little outside of the box thinking. I guess I'm trying to say....."think different" with the solutions.

BTW : yes I realize Navigon licence their maps, just saying...... Navtech or whatever.... BUY IT !!

Cod3rror
May 28, 2011, 02:19 PM
No offense intended, but if you just wish it had Turn by Turn GPS then you don't think it's perfect.

Others have effectively pointed out the shortcomings in the current Maps app. My personal wishes for additions include the following:


Multiple route options including finding routes without tolls!
A "Find nearest gas" / "Find cheapest gas" utility

Both of these things would save consumers money immediately.

Instantly showing you multiple routes to pick from would be great, including the info such as distance and time of each route, and toll routes should be either highlighted and there should be an option to avoid them.

Adding transit routes would be nice too.

3D view of the map.

Night/Day mode.

There are lots of things absent from Apple's maps app.

MacAddict1978
May 28, 2011, 02:49 PM
And Apple only has itself to blame. They are the one creating Google Maps on iPhone. Hopefully there will be a revision on iOS 5. Google Maps on Android is simply awesome.

I get the two companies are really overlapping and have become competitors over time and less on the partnership end, but why not just use the stock Google maps from Android and port it over with turn by turn already in there? Let your competitor do all the heavy lifting for you?

I despise the maps app on IOS. Anything would be an improvement.

MacAddict1978
May 28, 2011, 02:52 PM
If Apple where to get rid of Google Maps then Google would probably come out with a Google Map App for the iPhone anyway

I think Google would now, but it "duplicates features already in IOS" and would be rejected by Apple.

And Maps is not updated once a year. They haven't changed a thing in it for years except adding the button for walking directions, that it likes to get stuck on and then you're driving down the road and it's telling you to walk... through a yard.

If Apple really wants to make an improvement with maps and location services, start with a dedicated GPS chip that isn't dependent on your wireless carrier's network. So that when you are looking at a map, the dot that is supposed to be where you are isn't a mile away... and when out in the country, it still can update where you are. I know people get touchy when you say it's not "real gps" and want to be too literal, but it's not real GPS!

Mr. Gates
May 28, 2011, 04:21 PM
[QUOTE=Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAaron View Post
If Apple where to get rid of Google Maps then Google would probably come out with a Google Map App for the iPhone anyway



I think Google would now, but it "duplicates features already in IOS" and would be rejected by Apple.
![/QUOTE]

Ha ! Funny stuff !

mingoglia
May 28, 2011, 04:26 PM
Knowing Apple I'm surprised they don't buy a company like Delorme or another mapping software company.

tigress666
May 28, 2011, 04:32 PM
I think Google would now, but it "duplicates features already in IOS" and would be rejected by Apple.

And Maps is not updated once a year. They haven't changed a thing in it for years except adding the button for walking directions, that it likes to get stuck on and then you're driving down the road and it's telling you to walk... through a yard.

If Apple really wants to make an improvement with maps and location services, start with a dedicated GPS chip that isn't dependent on your wireless carrier's network. So that when you are looking at a map, the dot that is supposed to be where you are isn't a mile away... and when out in the country, it still can update where you are. I know people get touchy when you say it's not "real gps" and want to be too literal, but it's not real GPS!

Uh, it does have a real GPS chip. It's slower to get a reading on you that way (so you have to be patient to get it to get a reading), but it does have one. The reason they also use the cellphone towers is it is quicker that way to actually get a reading where you are (That's why it's "assisted" GPS). It also can give you a better reading of where you are when you are indoors and the phone is shielded from the sky (real GPS needs good access to the sky). But it can actually tell you where you are using real GPS too. So letting the GPS assist itself to also use cellphone towers means it works better than a GPS when you have cellphone coverage (faster and you can be indoors even).

And yes, I've tested it. It tracked me on a walk out near Mt. Rainier where I don't get cellphone coverage and don't you even try to claim it must be wi-fi (Ha! Wi-fi in the middle of a national forest...). Wasn't perfect (but it was in a bag on a rainy day in a forest so with real GPS you can't expect it to always get coverage in those kind of conditions), but it tracked us decently enough. And I know cause I saw the phone saying no cellphone connection (in fact it popped up a warning about how that will eat battery) and looked at my map and waited until it told me it had a lock on me to start it tracking me. Enough that I know that it does actually have *real* GPS cause there is no other way it could have tracked us at all (I'm actually surprised it was able to track at all from within my bag. I thought you had to have a clear line to the sky for the GPS to track, apparently you can have some blockage but the connection is easily broken so you can't have much).

The Phazer
May 28, 2011, 06:26 PM
Maps are not some magical secret business. They're just a bunch of image files.

The dirty secret in the industry is that everyone is generating their maps from central sources, like Navteq. If Apple licensed from the same sources they have the same accuracy as everyone else.

They're not just maps. Google has an unparalleled database of business locations to put on those maps and the streetview images. Nobody else has those, and Apple can't ever replace them because the main source for them is by owning the biggest search engine in the world means companies are eager to submit details to you that they would never be so keen on for a smaller service.

I will be overjoyed if Apple's rumoured maps never happen and iOS sticks with Google, and hopefully improves (along with all the other stock apps) to be a bit less embarrassingly old.

Phazer

MrJPH
May 28, 2011, 07:10 PM
I have been looking for a compass app - what is that one shown in the second, behind, iPhone, in the post photo? Me likey :-)

birch25
May 28, 2011, 07:22 PM
Agreed. I avoid Maps like the plague. It never fails to route me through Toll roads, which is highly annoying!

On iOS, yes it does. On Android, it will ask if you want to avoid toll roads on your route and will adjust based on your input.

TuffLuffJimmy
May 28, 2011, 07:29 PM
I have been looking for a compass app - what is that one shown in the second, behind, iPhone, in the post photo? Me likey :-)
That's the stock compass application that has come with the iPhone since the 3GS. If you want a compass application for anything older than that the application will be next to useless considering there's no hardware compass in neither the 3G or original iPhone.

WissMAN
May 28, 2011, 09:45 PM
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What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

I think Google maps are decent. Although I would be willing to take Apple's maps for a spin.

frjonah
May 28, 2011, 10:35 PM
MapQuest is the best iPhone map app.

Turn by turn AND SPEECH.

WAY better than anything else...and it's free

Thanks for sharing this! I downloaded it today for a trip from NJ to CT and have to say that it did quite a nice job. It even has one of the features I asked for: it can create routes to avoid toll roads.

I've made this trip probably 10 times over the last year and a half and, without a doubt, the Mapquest route saved me at least 30 minutes.

For turn-by-turn, I'll be using MQ from here on out.

Negafox
May 28, 2011, 10:45 PM
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I wished I could toggle off using toll roads for routes. California has so many toll roads and the routing is frequently useless to me when it says to hop onto a toll road.

rhett7660
May 29, 2011, 12:04 AM
I like google maps. They work pretty darn good. Although having said that, the mapquest app sounds interesting!

vvswarup
May 29, 2011, 03:18 AM
IMO Apple should remove YouTube and Maps from iOS and allow Google to release their own Apps.

They could do a much better job.

IMO, allowing Google to release their own Apps is the worst possible thing Appel could do. Apple and Google are competitors. Every software company treats competing platforms third-class treatment. Microsoft gives Apple second-class treatment. Office for Mac has improved only recently but Office for Windows has always been fantastic. Apple treats every other platform like fourth-class citizen. None of Apple's software is available for Windows except iTunes. It's the nature of the business.

YouTube is such an important part of what users do with their smartphones. Depending on Google to provide that functionality will put Apple in a vulnerable position. There is nothing to stop Google from treating iOS users second-class treatment in an attempt to undermine Apple.

vvswarup
May 29, 2011, 03:23 AM
I will be overjoyed if Apple's rumoured maps never happen and iOS sticks with Google, and hopefully improves (along with all the other stock apps) to be a bit less embarrassingly old.

Why do you want Apple to stick with Google so badly. Apple and Google are competitors. By using Google's services, Apple is not only lining Google's pockets with money, but it's also giving Google a chance to data-mine information off iOS to earn more advertising revenue.

Google is not going to bring turn-by-turn functionality to the iPhone. Take it to the bank. Turn-by-turn functionality is a competitive advantage for Android. Apple already has no choice but to develop it itself if Apple wants it natively on the iPhone like it is for Android. If Apple will have to implement that functionality among others on its own, why not dump Google's services completely. Why let Google earn revenue off of iOS?

maclaptop
May 29, 2011, 04:03 AM
What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

There's nothing wrong with Google maps, it's just Apples superiority complex that prevents them from admitting that Google makes some great products just as Apple does. These are two good companies that do not need to waste time fighting.

frjonah
May 29, 2011, 06:08 AM
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I wished I could toggle off using toll roads for routes. California has so many toll roads and the routing is frequently useless to me when it says to hop onto a toll road.

Check out the Mapquest app, it has an option to avoid toll roads.

frjonah
May 29, 2011, 06:14 AM
IMO, allowing Google to release their own Apps is the worst possible thing Appel could do. Apple and Google are competitors. Every software company treats competing platforms third-class treatment. Microsoft gives Apple second-class treatment. Office for Mac has improved only recently but Office for Windows has always been fantastic. Apple treats every other platform like fourth-class citizen. None of Apple's software is available for Windows except iTunes. It's the nature of the business.

Except for the fact that Google could likely find a way to port their Android app en masse to the iOS platform... identical functionality. As you said, Google is incentivized to make the iOS app great because of the revenue stream it could represent... remember we are talking about a 3rd party app here, not the native app.

As others have repeatedly pointed out on here:

The native app is NOT a Google app, it's an Apple-made app which simply uses Google's map database.

If Google can do it better and profit from doing so, I say so be it, at least before Socialism takes it's final hold here in the U.S.S.A. :eek:

KnightWRX
May 29, 2011, 07:47 AM
Why do you want Apple to stick with Google so badly. Apple and Google are competitors. By using Google's services, Apple is not only lining Google's pockets with money, but it's also giving Google a chance to data-mine information off iOS to earn more advertising revenue.

NIH syndrome is bad. It forces the vendor to dedicate ressources to something he wouldn't have to otherwise. In this case, for Apple to get mapping data, host it, update it, and add features to its API for app developers to catch up to years of Google Maps would take tremendous amounts of work.

To gain... what exactly ? Apple and Samsung are competitors, yet Apple buys Samsung parts. Apple and Sony are competitors, yet Apple buys Sony parts. Apple and Toshiba are competitors, yet Apple buys Toshiba parts...

Same in the software world. While Google and Apple might compete on a few things, Apple buys Google services.

Google is not going to bring turn-by-turn functionality to the iPhone. Take it to the bank. Turn-by-turn functionality is a competitive advantage for Android. Apple already has no choice but to develop it itself if Apple wants it natively on the iPhone like it is for Android. If Apple will have to implement that functionality among others on its own, why not dump Google's services completely. Why let Google earn revenue off of iOS?

You do understand that Apple is responsible for the Maps app on iOS already ? No matter where the data comes from, ultimately, it is Apple that is letting the app rot away and be as useless as possible compared to competitors. Google has nothing to do with this.

If Apple wants to get turn-by-turn, Google doesn't have anything to say about it, since they only provide map data, not the app itself. Google is not going to bring functionality to the iPhone, because that's not what Apple is paying Google for.

Again, for a few posters missing the picture entirely here : Google is not responsible for the utter mess that is the iOS Maps app.

slimpunk
May 29, 2011, 03:03 PM
As many have said, the Android version of Google Maps is FAR better than the the iOS one. Turn by turn, the ability to avoid freeways and toll roads, traffic re-routing, etc. Apple, please do what you can to get this app updated!

GuitarDTO
May 29, 2011, 04:05 PM
Disappointed. Google navigation is the one thing I constantly miss from my Droid phone. It was flawless.....absolutely awesome and better than any standalone GPS. I'm REALLY hoping apple has something ready to compete sooner rather than later.

Been using WAZE for turn by turn, which is ok. Pretty decent for free. The GPS constantly goes in and out though....not sure if its the iPhone 4 hardware or the app itself.

Fix this, and notifications, and the iPhone is perfect.

The Phazer
May 29, 2011, 10:18 PM
Why do you want Apple to stick with Google so badly.

Because as I explained in my post, Apple cannot possibly deliver a superior set of map data to Google, or even come close. Because Google owns the best database of business locations in the world by virtue of their search engine been so vital to the world economy - so even the most Luddite business keeps their Google listing up to date.

Unless Apple build a search engine and beat Google there, they cannot win mapping. Period.

Apple and Google are competitors. By using Google's services, Apple is not only lining Google's pockets with money, but it's also giving Google a chance to data-mine information off iOS to earn more advertising revenue.

I really don't care. I just want my phone to be awesome, no matter who makes it. I don't owe either multinational company anything, just as they would happily dump me as a customer if more profit lied elsewhere.

Google's data here is better, so I want that. That's really all that matters.

Google is not going to bring turn-by-turn functionality to the iPhone. Take it to the bank. Turn-by-turn functionality is a competitive advantage for Android. Apple already has no choice but to develop it itself if Apple wants it natively on the iPhone like it is for Android. If Apple will have to implement that functionality among others on its own, why not dump Google's services completely. Why let Google earn revenue off of iOS?

Google doesn't make any money off Android. It's a loss leader. The point of it is to ensure Apple isn't in a position to shut them out of their revenue source, which is mobile advertising. With that in mind, Google has abundant incentive to make the iPhone app better, as they want their services to be used on all platforms as much as possible.

The existing poor app is made by Apple, not Google. Google are, as I've been told by people there, rather embarrassed by it and all the criticism it gets - much the same as the YouTube app, which is why they made a better iOS webapp for that, and I suspect they will do the same for iOS. But given HtML5 implentation in mobile Safari is fairly poor, it won't be great. All the more reason to hope Apple code a better Google Maps app, which is best for everyone.

xstex
May 30, 2011, 07:11 AM
Apple may want to come away from using Google's service but I'm happy with it, I honestly don't care for a change.

I doubt very much Apple will have their own street view option etc any time soon so I'd prefer to stick to google maps.

KnightWRX
May 30, 2011, 07:39 AM
I will be overjoyed if Apple's rumoured maps never happen and iOS sticks with Google, and hopefully improves (along with all the other stock apps) to be a bit less embarrassingly old.

That's up to Apple though, they are the ones writing the Maps app. Moving Maps data source from Google to themselves would not improve the App at all, I'd bet quite the contrary as Apple would have to dedicate ressources to the back-end data. The problem isn't Google's map data, it's Apple's front-end for them.

Apple should stick to what they know, fix the Maps app, don't waste time with the back-end stuff, reinventing the wheel and just proving you suffer from NIH syndrome.

DocNYz
May 30, 2011, 12:47 PM
They're not just maps. Google has an unparalleled database of business locations to put on those maps and the streetview images. Nobody else has those, and Apple can't ever replace them because the main source for them is by owning the biggest search engine in the world means companies are eager to submit details to you that they would never be so keen on for a smaller service.

I will be overjoyed if Apple's rumoured maps never happen and iOS sticks with Google, and hopefully improves (along with all the other stock apps) to be a bit less embarrassingly old.

Phazer

I don't know how it is in the UK but google maps "database" is HORRIBLE in the states, especially in big cities. If you work in an industry for which you need to travel a lot, you know by now it's so often incorrect that people have just flat out stopped using it. I know people that have been so late running errands or finding someone to meet because of google maps' inaccuracies that they've been fired. We shouldn't have to go to every business's own web site to find directions then enter them in a navigation app, but that's the only way to make sure that you're not going to be 5 minutes, or an hour away.

Rodimus Prime
May 30, 2011, 01:12 PM
What's wrong with Google maps? In my opinion Google does a great job with maps.

I don't know how it is in the UK but google maps "database" is HORRIBLE in the states, especially in big cities. If you work in an industry for which you need to travel a lot, you know by now it's so often incorrect that people have just flat out stopped using it. I know people that have been so late running errands or finding someone to meet because of google maps' inaccuracies that they've been fired. We shouldn't have to go to every business's own web site to find directions then enter them in a navigation app, but that's the only way to make sure that you're not going to be 5 minutes, or an hour away.

are you talking about getting the physical address from their web sight and then entering that into Google?

if that is your argument I would call it weak at best. The only sure fire way to make sure you are going to be right (no matter what the data base) is to use the physical addresses.
I know that points of interested databases (no matter what service) are often times iffy at best. They quite often have outdate or incorrect data in them so when you do the search guess what that incorrect data gets in there. First rule to follow on anything is if something looks off chances are it is off. Do not trust just want it tells you verifiy it. I know I have done searches for stuff on google maps by name but often times I have a rough idea were it is on the map and use that to make sure it is correct. Google is generally pretty good at giving me direction providing you have the correct locations.

Remember Garbage in - Garbage out.

KnightWRX
May 30, 2011, 01:22 PM
I don't know how it is in the UK but google maps "database" is HORRIBLE in the states, especially in big cities. If you work in an industry for which you need to travel a lot, you know by now it's so often incorrect that people have just flat out stopped using it. I know people that have been so late running errands or finding someone to meet because of google maps' inaccuracies that they've been fired. We shouldn't have to go to every business's own web site to find directions then enter them in a navigation app, but that's the only way to make sure that you're not going to be 5 minutes, or an hour away.

Google is rarely pointing the wrong street (I've never had it point to the wrong street). If Google maps being off by a corner or two for door addresses makes you over an hour late, you fail. You're there on the street, how hard is it to look out your car window and check the addresses on the doors to find where you're going ?

And Google is not responsible for the errors in locations of street addresses. They get that data from a national service. The same Apple would use if they made their own maps.

BLACKFRIDAY
May 30, 2011, 01:37 PM
Google Maps are just awesome.

Don't know why Apple would want to get rid of them?

If they have something better in-house, then sure. But otherwise just use it until you can provide a better service on your own.

But one thing; Google for sure love their location data. They will be pissed if Apple drops Google Maps and/or instead uses Bing maps on iOS. I don't see that happening though.

vvswarup
May 30, 2011, 01:48 PM
Because as I explained in my post, Apple cannot possibly deliver a superior set of map data to Google, or even come close. Because Google owns the best database of business locations in the world by virtue of their search engine been so vital to the world economy - so even the most Luddite business keeps their Google listing up to date.

Unless Apple build a search engine and beat Google there, they cannot win mapping. Period.

This is why Apple bought out Placebase and Poly9, two mapping companies. Placebase was a competitor to Google Maps. As a result, Apple has a database.

I really don't care. I just want my phone to be awesome, no matter who makes it. I don't owe either multinational company anything, just as they would happily dump me as a customer if more profit lied elsewhere.

Google's data here is better, so I want that. That's really all that matters.

I know you don't care and I agree that you don't owe either company anything. But the fact is that Apple is the one making the phone and it matters to them.

Google doesn't make any money off Android. It's a loss leader. The point of it is to ensure Apple isn't in a position to shut them out of their revenue source, which is mobile advertising. With that in mind, Google has abundant incentive to make the iPhone app better, as they want their services to be used on all platforms as much as possible.

Google "makes" money off of Android but not in the same way that Apple makes money off of iOS. Google makes money off of Android by pushing ads to users and driving them to Google search. That's how Google has always made its money.

Apple and Google are competitors. For that alone, Apple wants to get away from using Google's services as much as possible. Apple likely has no choice with YouTube. But Apple has a choice with Maps. What is wrong with Apple not wanting to help a competitor make money off of its platform? If Apple can do a good job with its own implementation of maps, I think Apple should do it.

vvswarup
May 30, 2011, 01:53 PM
Google Maps are just awesome.

Don't know why Apple would want to get rid of them?

Because Apple and Google are competitors. Why would Apple want to use a competitor's services?

If they have something better in-house, then sure. But otherwise just use it until you can provide a better service on your own.

You've nailed the issue on its head. If Apple wants to maintain its user base and continue to profit from iOS, Apple will have to have a better solution than Google.

But one thing; Google for sure love their location data. They will be pissed if Apple drops Google Maps and/or instead uses Bing maps on iOS. I don't see that happening though.

Oh, yes they will be pissed. But as I've said, Apple and Google are competitors. Why would Apple want to be beholden to Google?

BLACKFRIDAY
May 30, 2011, 01:55 PM
Because Apple and Google are competitors. Why would Apple want to use a competitor's services?



You've nailed the issue on its head. If Apple wants to maintain its user base and continue to profit from iOS, Apple will have to have a better solution than Google.



Oh, yes they will be pissed. But as I've said, Apple and Google are competitors. Why would Apple want to be beholden to Google?

You know, that's where I am lost.

Even if you are in strict competition with your competitors, you don't ******* with your customers just to rival out with somebody else.
The customers have to be the first priority.

For Apple, I guess thats true for the most part; so unless and until they have a better solution than Google Maps, they are not gonna get rid of them. Simple.

Oletros
May 30, 2011, 02:20 PM
This is why Apple bought out Placebase and Poly9, two mapping companies. Placebase was a competitor to Google Maps. As a result, Apple has a database.

No Poly9 nor Placebase have maps database

JAT
May 30, 2011, 04:34 PM
No offense intended, but if you just wish it had Turn by Turn GPS then you don't think it's perfect.

Others have effectively pointed out the shortcomings in the current Maps app. My personal wishes for additions include the following:


Multiple route options including finding routes without tolls!
A "Find nearest gas" / "Find cheapest gas" utility

Both of these things would save consumers money immediately.

Try Gas Buddy for finding cheapest gas.