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Florida Gator
May 30, 2011, 04:19 AM
Anybody with experience with the current Mini and a 27" Cinema Display or Dell U2711 running at 2560x1440. I know that the Mini CAN output to this, but how well?

I've read reports that moving and resizing windows is often choppy. Obviously, gaming is out of the question for the most part. But can it handle Expose at full framerate, smoothly move windows and play 1080p video without stuttering?



blacka4
May 30, 2011, 06:43 PM
I have my mini connected to my 60in LCD TV 1080i and do not notice any choppyness in the video

WiiDSmoker
May 30, 2011, 07:19 PM
I have my mini connected to my 60in LCD TV 1080i and do not notice any choppyness in the video

1920x1080 is considerably less than 2560x1440.

That said, the Macbook Air handles it; so I would imagine that Mini as well.

SB27
May 30, 2011, 07:28 PM
The current Mac Mini drives the Dell U2711 at 2560x1440 perfectly. Just make sure you get a DisplayPort connector. Best source is monoprice.com -- excellent price for a cable. About $5.00 or so per unit in white. Works great.

The Dell 27 inch has a Displayport in connector -- perfect for the Mini. I have two machines driving this monitor -- the other is a Dell XPS 9100 Core i5 desktop. I think the card is a 5770 -- which works fine also. Nice speed -- and quiet.

I could be wrong, but believe the MacMini is using 320 or 320m graphics card. Correct?

In any event, it all works great and drives the monitor perfectly. Enjoy.

Good luck.

Florida Gator
May 30, 2011, 09:27 PM
The current Mac Mini drives the Dell U2711 at 2560x1440 perfectly. Just make sure you get a DisplayPort connector. Best source is monoprice.com -- excellent price for a cable. About $5.00 or so per unit in white. Works great.

The Dell 27 inch has a Displayport in connector -- perfect for the Mini. I have two machines driving this monitor -- the other is a Dell XPS 9100 Core i5 desktop. I think the card is a 5770 -- which works fine also. Nice speed -- and quiet.

I could be wrong, but believe the MacMini is using 320 or 320m graphics card. Correct?

In any event, it all works great and drives the monitor perfectly. Enjoy.

Good luck.

Outside of gaming, does it ever stutter or lag when you have a bunch of windows open and try to move things around?

asdf542
May 30, 2011, 09:50 PM
Outside of gaming, does it ever stutter or lag when you have a bunch of windows open and try to move things around?

No, and neither does the 13" MBP from the other thread you posted.

Repo
May 30, 2011, 09:53 PM
A friend of mine runs a 27" ACD (2560x1440) off his Mac Mini (current gen) with no problems. He plays WOW on it just fine.

Gordy
May 31, 2011, 04:38 PM
I have no worries running the 27in acd on my 2010 mac mini. Never had any stuttering at all. I've not tried gaming on it though. I suspect it would have issues doing that.

The Old gen mini fits nicely on the stand of the ACD looks nice there.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/5167390617_b90bfea6a1_b.jpg

*That pic is of my older 24in acd, but you get the idea.

omvs
Jun 1, 2011, 08:36 PM
Anybody with experience with the current Mini and a 27" Cinema Display or Dell U2711 running at 2560x1440. I know that the Mini CAN output to this, but how well?

I've read reports that moving and resizing windows is often choppy. Obviously, gaming is out of the question for the most part. But can it handle Expose at full framerate, smoothly move windows and play 1080p video without stuttering?

I use a previous-generation mini to drive a ACD 30" (2560x1600) and a Dell 22" (1920x1080) in dual-head mode. Its not choppy moving and resizing windows at all, and I push a fair number of 2D pixels doing chip design. Haven't done any 1080p video, but I'm pretty sure its fine on 720p, even when blown up to full screen

3D its not very impressive - I ran Starcraft 2 once just as a test, and had to crank details WAY down. So for home I use an iMac :)

josephebacon
Jun 2, 2011, 12:07 AM
I have my 2009 Mac Mini hooked up to the new 27 inch ACD. Have had no problems running HD video with it. The ACD is set at 2560 X 1440.

Dizzler
Jul 14, 2011, 01:16 PM
I have my 2009 Mac Mini hooked up to the new 27 inch ACD. Have had no problems running HD video with it. The ACD is set at 2560 X 1440.

Glad to hear the 2009 Mini can drive this display. Which port does the 27-inch ACD use: the Mini display port or the mini AVI port? Does it need an adapter?

AdrianK
Jul 14, 2011, 01:21 PM
Which port does the 27-inch ACD use: the Mini display port or the mini DVI port? Does it need an adapter?

mDP, so no adaptor required :)

volodymyrqa
Jul 14, 2011, 01:44 PM
works great with dell u 2711

ashiyajoe
Jul 15, 2011, 10:51 AM
My mac mini server 2010 (8 GB RAM) runs 2 displays (ACD 27-in, 2560x1440 and Benq 24-in, 1920x1200) without any problem.

Spectrum
Jan 24, 2012, 06:14 AM
I have the new mac mini server (i7 quad + SSD + 8GB RAM + Intel HD3000).

It drives the Dell U2711 at 2560x1440, but in my opinion expose and mission control are sluggish and slightly jerky. Even scrolling a full screen web page in Safari is slightly jerky, particularly as the page slows down at the end of a scroll.

Increasing RAM from 4GB to 8GB (Kingston HyperX 1877MHz), to get 512MB graphics allocation hasn't made any noticeable difference.

Very disappointed.

Interestingly, I have managed to install SL 10.6.8 on this machine, and when you update the drivers/kext files for the HD3000 and i7 CPU, Expose and Safari performance is noticeably smoother.

elliotn
Jan 24, 2012, 09:47 AM
I have the new mac mini server (i7 quad + SSD + 8GB RAM + Intel HD3000).

It drives the Dell U2711 at 2560x1440, but in my opinion expose and mission control are sluggish and slightly jerky. Even scrolling a full screen web page in Safari is slightly jerky, particularly as the page slows down at the end of a scroll.


I had the same problems with the same mini driving a 27" Eizo CG275w.

I swapped it for the mini with AMD graphics, and things are somewhat improved. However there's still a little jerkiness in OS animations.

Spectrum
Jan 25, 2012, 11:28 AM
I had the same problems with the same mini driving a 27" Eizo CG275w.

I swapped it for the mini with AMD graphics, and things are somewhat improved. However there's still a little jerkiness in OS animations.

Hi elliotn. That's interesting. I read a comment in the Apple Discussion forums where someone had compared both the quad with HD3000 and the i7 with AMD graphics and concluded that the discrete graphics chip is actually worse than the Intel HD3000 for Expose animations.

I haven't been able to test it myself. At an Apple Store all I coudl do was confirm that the base i5 2.3 mini +27" TB display was jerky, whereas a 27" iMac was butter smooth. They didn't have the i5/i7 version with AMD graphics.

I'm quite disappointed in Apple's design decision here. I assume they thought that not many mini owners will buy the 27" - even though that's the only dispaly hey now sell!

It also means that the MBAirs and the 13" MBPros will also not drive a 27" smoothly as they all use HD3000 graphics.

Really hoping for some TB external graphics cards in the near future!

shortcut3d
Jan 25, 2012, 07:42 PM
I find the AMD 6630M better for Lion animations in general, but the HD 3000 is plenty to drive 2560x1440. I have even played Duke Nukem Forever in windowed mode without issue. 2560x1440 is too high for any Mac graphics card in a modern FPS with all the graphical enhancements turned on. I have to say Windows 7 has absolutely no problem with all aero enhancements turned on.

dh2005
Jan 25, 2012, 07:56 PM
1920x1080 is considerably less than 2560x1440.


Also, 1080i is less than 1,920x1,080: that's 1080p.


I have a 13" MBP with an Intel HD 3000: which is basically an entry-level Mini portable. Connected to a TV at 1080p, the OS X desktop performance is fine. But 2,560x1,440 has twice the pixels of 1080p and would be, in my view, a stretch: I expect it will stutter and choke.

I agree with the comment (I forget whose) about Apple not speccing the basic Mini to work appropriately with it's Thunderbolt display. But still, Mini owners will buy them, so...

FrankHahn
Jan 25, 2012, 08:30 PM
I use a 2011 Mac mini (2.3 GHz model) with a 27" Apple Cinema Display (2560x1440) without any problem.

dh2005
Jan 26, 2012, 01:10 AM
Anybody with experience with the current Mini and a 27" Cinema Display or Dell U2711 running at 2560x1440. I know that the Mini CAN output to this, but how well?

I've read reports that moving and resizing windows is often choppy. Obviously, gaming is out of the question for the most part. But can it handle Expose at full framerate, smoothly move windows and play 1080p video without stuttering?

Is there an Apple Store near to you that might be able to give you demo? That's your best bet, I'd say. Always a tricky business, asking other people whether they find the performance of [x/y/z] to be good enough: what's good enough for them may not be good enough for you.

Spectrum
Jan 26, 2012, 08:55 AM
I find the AMD 6630M better for Lion animations in general, but the HD 3000 is plenty to drive 2560x1440. I have even played Duke Nukem Forever in windowed mode without issue. 2560x1440 is too high for any Mac graphics card in a modern FPS with all the graphical enhancements turned on. I have to say Windows 7 has absolutely no problem with all aero enhancements turned on.

Well that is now two votes for the 6630 > HD3000. I really need to get to a store to see if it is true. (Unfortunately the only store near me only has the base i5 2.3, which performs just like my server with 8GB of faster RAM.) Note, that I took your suggestion from another thread that 1867MHz RAM might increase OpenGL performance on the HD3000 - but if it does, I am unable to notice the difference in Lion.

It did increase my Geekbench score by approx 400 points though! (5%)

In fairness, I would indeed have expected the 6630M to be better than the HD3000...so I do need to test the 6630M out somewhere.

Please note, I am NOT talking about 3D. Purely about desktop animations and Safari scrolling. At 2560x1440 with a lot of things open, and wide 1440 tall Safari window, Lion animations are NOT smooth on my i7 server machine. They are smoother on the same hardware under SL. And 10.5 Expose is even smoother still.

Also, 1080i is less than 1,920x1,080: that's 1080p.
I have a 13" MBP with an Intel HD 3000: which is basically an entry-level Mini portable. Connected to a TV at 1080p, the OS X desktop performance is fine. But 2,560x1,440 has twice the pixels of 1080p and would be, in my view, a stretch: I expect it will stutter and choke.
I agree with the comment (I forget whose) about Apple not speccing the basic Mini to work appropriately with it's Thunderbolt display. But still, Mini owners will buy them, so...
There isn't much option! The cheapest model with a decent graphics card is the 21 inch iMac. And I find glossy displays counterproductive for work (this is for my shared office environment), so I would have to put the iMac under the desk and plug in an external monitor.

A MacPro case is a huge waste of power, space and resources for what I need (low CPU power with smooth expose). In any case, installing Leopard Expose in SL on the 2011 mac mini has almost completely solved my animation glitches with the 27" display.

Which in my mind points to lazy software writing (and/or Lion driver writing) being the cause.


I use a 2011 Mac mini (2.3 GHz model) with a 27" Apple Cinema Display (2560x1440) without any problem.

Yes. I know it works, but is Expose SMOOOOOOTH ?

Is there an Apple Store near to you that might be able to give you demo? That's your best bet, I'd say. Always a tricky business, asking other people whether they find the performance of [x/y/z] to be good enough: what's good enough for them may not be good enough for you.

I know this wasn't directed to me, but the AppleStore near me only has demo unit of the 2.3, not the 2.5/2.7 with AMD graphics. Expose on the 27" imac was beautiful.

jamesryanbell
Jan 26, 2012, 09:41 AM
Yes, it does. Even my 11" 320m equipped Air does. Just fine.

spda242
Jan 26, 2012, 03:22 PM
I have the U2711 with an AMD Mac mini and I wouldn't say that the animations are smooth, I would rather describe them as sluggish and jerky. It works but nothing more...

Add to the above, that the AMD Mac mini runs insanely hot (there are several threads about this), when writing this my CPU are at 71-72 (C) and it can go higher when just surfing' so the fan are working all the time and that is annoying. Watching a video on Youtube will cause the CPU to go to ~80 (C) and the fan will wind up to almost 3k rpm and sound like a small turbo engine :(
If you are like me allergic to fan noise, this is not the mini for you.

So I would stay with your current Mac mini and when the Ivy Bridge Mac mini are released I would evaluate that one. That is at least my plan.

This is my 4th Mac and 3rd Mac mini and this is my first disappointment :(

Spectrum
Jan 30, 2012, 02:33 PM
I have the U2711 with an AMD Mac mini and I wouldn't say that the animations are smooth, I would rather describe them as sluggish and jerky. It works but nothing more...

...

This is my 4th Mac and 3rd Mac mini and this is my first disappointment :(

I just booted into Lion for the first time for a while (I've been using the SL boot created with Leopard Expose) and comapred to the Leopard animations, Lion absolutely stinks on the neww mac mini hardware. It really is very very jerky once you get 2-3 large windows open. I would say Espose/MC is relatively useless becasue of the jerkiness.

It is not perfect with Leopard version, but much much smoother.

Question to spda: did your previous MM run OK on a 27" monitor? i.e. is this specific problem with the new MM with HD3000? Perhaps the NVIDIA card was better for 2D? Pretty frustrating if that is the case. ai could't give a crap about 3D performance, but a smooth desktop is pretty much essential in my opinion.

parestailor
Feb 6, 2012, 05:57 AM
I use a 2011 Mac mini (2.3 GHz model) with a 27" Apple Cinema Display (2560x1440) without any problem.

the way to test this would be to use some intensive apps...

could you try using Netflix or Lovefilm for 10mins full screen and check how the heat and fan's responds?

Microsoft Silverlight is a hog.. i know on a 27" imac 2011 it works fine but a mini mac would be interesting.

i have a 13" MBP 2011, thunderbolt display connect and my fan and heat reaches 5400rpm 80 degree celsius

would appreciate it!

jamesryanbell
Feb 6, 2012, 08:34 AM
Typing this post from one. Yes, it's fine.

spda242
Feb 8, 2012, 04:51 AM
Question to spda: did your previous MM run OK on a 27" monitor? i.e. is this specific problem with the new MM with HD3000? Perhaps the NVIDIA card was better for 2D? Pretty frustrating if that is the case. ai could't give a crap about 3D performance, but a smooth desktop is pretty much essential in my opinion.

I have not used previous Mac mini's with my 27" I am afraid, I had a 2006 Mac Pro. I have the 2.5GHz Mac mini with the AMD card. The largest monitor I have used with my older Mac mini's are a 24" 1920x1200 and my 2009 Mac mini are connected to my Plasma TV but even if they doesn't have the 2560x1440 resolution to drive they keep silent and I can watch movies for hours on 2009 without hearing it.
When it comes to the current Mac mini I was expecting a little bit more when it comes to scrolling smoothness and sound.

parestailor
Feb 9, 2012, 04:34 PM
Typing this post from one. Yes, it's fine.

your mac mini is a quad core? how?

hitekalex
Feb 9, 2012, 08:45 PM
your mac mini is a quad core? how?

Probably like this:
http://www.apple.com/macmini/server/specs.html

jamesryanbell
Feb 11, 2012, 06:09 PM
your mac mini is a quad core? how?

Mac Mini Server. Quad-core i7.