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May 30, 2011, 10:55 PM
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At Computex, Intel updated the press about its roadmap for power efficient processors in the coming years. Engadget reprints (http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/30/intel-reveals-skinny-ivy-bridge-ultrabooks-moores-law-defyin/) the press release in which Intel predicts that a new class of laptops called "Ultrabooks" could make up 40% of the consumer latop market by the end of 2012. These computers will marry the performance and capabilities of today's laptops with tablet-like features and deliver a highly responsive and secure experience, in a thin, light and elegant design.Intel describes this family of notebooks as "thin, light and beautiful designs that are less than 20mm (0.8 inch) thick, and mainstream price points under US $1,000. These "ultrabooks" already sound very similar to Apple's MacBook Air which we've already heard is evolving (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/04/macbook-air-evolving-into-mainstream-product/) into a mainstream product.

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/05/mbathin.jpg


MacBook Air
Intel describes the ultimate evolution to these ultra-thin laptops in a 3 step process. The first systems based on their current designs should be available this winter. Meanwhile, they plan on continuing to push processor power designs in the coming years to enable even more efficient designs.

The second step will be based on Intel's Ivy Bridge processor designs (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/04/intels-ivy-bridge-platform-to-utilize-3-d-transistors/) which were announced in May: Laptops based on "Ivy Bridge" will bring improved power efficiency, smart visual performance, increased responsiveness and enhanced security. "Ivy Bridge" is the first high-volume chip based on Intel's 22 nanometer (nm) manufacturing technology that uses a revolutionary 3-D transistor design called Tri-Gate announced in May.Finally, for the 3rd step, in 2013 processors codenamed "Haswell" will reduce the microprocessor power to half of today's chips. Intel has been previously reported (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/19/intel-lowering-power-consumption-of-future-notebook-processors/) to be working aggressively on reducing power consumption on their processors.

Apple has a good relationship with Intel and will certainly benefit from these new processor designs. So, we should also see the first Macs based on the Ivy Bridge processors in the first half of 2012. The most recently leaked (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20110526151925_Intel_to_Delay_Release_of_Next_Generation_Ivy_Bridge_Processors_Slide.html) slides suggest a March-April timeframe for the chip release.


Article Link: Intel Outlines 'Ivy Bridge' Roadmap as 1st Half 2012, and Previews 'Ultrabook' Laptop Designs (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/30/intel-outlines-ivy-bridge-roadmap-as-1st-half-2012-and-previews-ultrabook-laptop-designs/)



42streetsdown
May 30, 2011, 11:01 PM
Ivy Bridge macs sound awesome!
more power efficient = more battery and i like me some long battery life.

viperGTS
May 30, 2011, 11:02 PM
Intel just keeps making chips.....
When will there be a sweet spot to buy a MB air?
honestly i would now wait until 2013 to buy one....

kjjnk
May 30, 2011, 11:04 PM
Well, no new MacBook Pro's until March-April 2012 at the very earliest. Guess Sandy Bridge buyers feel great.

LarryC
May 30, 2011, 11:05 PM
What Intel has coming does sound exciting. I just wish that Apple would quit dragging their feet and update their old products to the processors that Intel is currently offering! It shouldn't take so long. I suppose that Apple is only focusing on things like phones these days.

shanmugam
May 30, 2011, 11:06 PM
are they (Intel) making these LV/ULV cheaper to under $1000?

13" MBA is starting at $1299 ...

shanmugam
May 30, 2011, 11:07 PM
What Intel has coming does sound exciting. I just wish that Apple would quit dragging their feet and update their old products to the processors that Intel is currently offering! It shouldn't take so long. I suppose that Apple is only focusing on things like phones these days.

next tuesday ...

LarryC
May 30, 2011, 11:10 PM
next tuesday ...

shanmugam, I really do hope that you are right. Thanks for the feedback.

beebler
May 30, 2011, 11:13 PM
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Next redesigned MacBook Pros are out by Feb 2012 with really good screens, thinner and all SSD. Take it to the bank.

shanmugam
May 30, 2011, 11:14 PM
shanmugam, I really do hope that you are right. Thanks for the feedback.

LarryC, MBA became a hot selling product since the update oct 2010, it will get updated to newest I5/i7s soon...

it might happen tomorrow if WWDC becomes more software oriented OS X and iOS 5.0 and and and iPhone 5

kjjnk
May 30, 2011, 11:15 PM
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Next redesigned MacBook Pros are out by Feb 2012 with really good screens, thinner and all SSD. Take it to the bank.
http://www.9to5mac.com/69736/ivy-bridge-chips-pushed-to-2012-macs-will-have-to-wait/

March or April at the earliest.

Hastings101
May 30, 2011, 11:15 PM
What Intel has coming does sound exciting. I just wish that Apple would quit dragging their feet and update their old products to the processors that Intel is currently offering! It shouldn't take so long. I suppose that Apple is only focusing on things like phones these days.

I thought they've always been pretty slow with hardware updates.

MCIowaRulz
May 30, 2011, 11:18 PM
I just want an SB MacMini already:(
that way, My oldest computer will be from "06 (see sig) from which I plan to soon throw in a 512Mb 8400 Nvidia low profile card and eventually 3GB of RAM so I can use it for the next 3 years.

munkees
May 30, 2011, 11:22 PM
very nice looking PC laptop. I like it. I am glad it coming to market, love :apple: having competition.

ten-oak-druid
May 30, 2011, 11:24 PM
In the mean time I expect Apple's personal computer sales will increase again in the third and fourth quarters of 2011. Given the overall personal computer market isn't doing well, Apple's market share will continue to grow.

I imagine a healthy 15-17% market share is in Apple's future sometime in the next few years.

Scarrus
May 30, 2011, 11:25 PM
That's a 1 on 1 copy of the MBA. Let's see if Apple are going to sue Asus over it...

Dreamer2go
May 30, 2011, 11:26 PM
it seems the Ivy Bridge MBP is the ultimate upgrade from Santa Rosa MBP!!! great!
I have my iPad 2 to play with until next year hehe

Macmoney
May 30, 2011, 11:30 PM
Tapered design,glass trackpad....complete rip-off

spillproof
May 30, 2011, 11:31 PM
Cool Asus, but ugly color IMO. The keyboard color would drive me insane with all the shininess.

I'm really excited about the future of notebooks. Thin, light, and powerful.

Eidorian
May 30, 2011, 11:42 PM
The $200 ASUS has my interest but not much else. Being enticed into new hardware is becoming much more difficult.

Yamcha
May 31, 2011, 12:01 AM
Looking forward to the Ivy Bridge, although also looking forward to the new AMD processors, It's about time AMD beat Intel :P, it was great in the Athlon XP days, when they easily outperformed Intel P4's in price and performance..

Lone Deranger
May 31, 2011, 12:02 AM
When the new MacBook Air models surfaced last year I knew the design was going to be ripped off by other companies because it was so good. Now that I see this Asus I am nonetheless shocked at the audacity some companies have. It's tragic to see companies feel they need to resort to blatant plagiarism in order to compete with Apple's designs.

maclaptop
May 31, 2011, 12:03 AM
What Intel has coming does sound exciting. I just wish that Apple would quit dragging their feet and update their old products to the processors that Intel is currently offering! It shouldn't take so long. I suppose that Apple is only focusing on things like phones these days.

iToys are ALL that Apple truly cares about. They make more profit for Apple than any other product.

Computers are on the back burner.

Yamcha
May 31, 2011, 12:04 AM
I agree, a lot of laptops today look very much like Macbook's, an example apart from this is the Chromebook, the chicklet keys and giant trackpad..

Reach9
May 31, 2011, 12:16 AM
You shouldn't have done that Asus, now Apple will sue you for copying the MacBook Air!

Looks like future MacBook Pros will look similar to that as well, and the MacBook Air line will become the new MacBook, i'm guessing.
Here's to Ultrabooks, sounds ultra expensive.

lilo777
May 31, 2011, 12:24 AM
I agree, a lot of laptops today look very much like Macbook's, an example apart from this is the Chromebook, the chicklet keys and giant trackpad..

Chicklet keyboard was first used in laptops by Sony not Apple.

beebler
May 31, 2011, 12:28 AM
http://www.9to5mac.com/69736/ivy-bridge-chips-pushed-to-2012-macs-will-have-to-wait/

March or April at the earliest.

Possibly but I spoke to my good friend at Apple R&D last week and he said the timeline was still Jan or Feb for the redesigns.

kjjnk
May 31, 2011, 12:36 AM
Possibly but I spoke to my good friend at Apple R&D last week and he said the timeline was still Jan or Feb for the redesigns.
You mean the same guy that told you the 2011 MacBook Pro would have a retina display? And that there would be a 15" MacBook Air?

I don't know the specifics, I just heard from a R&D source that that's going to be a big selling point in the next one. Things change all the time but that's what they seem to be going for at the moment.

Yeah, according to my Apple R&D friend, it'll come out. There will be new Macbook Airs towards the end of this year (I'm thinking it'll actually come out early 2011) and the 15" will come out after the initial ones are released.

My friend at Apple R&D maintains that brand new Macbook Airs are aimed at the end of the year. He also said that 15" Airs will be released next year sometime, after the initial ones are released.

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I doubt it too but my friend in Apple R&D was talking about them trying to release it in September alongside thenext iPhone. I can't imagine this unless they have something else up their sleeves to go with the two.

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I don't know either but my friend in Apple R&D said there were internal talks about releasing the iPad 3 alongside the next iPhone in September. I'd think waiting would be best too.

My friend works in Apple R&D and he's been pretty right with a lot of things so far.

I said I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed it back because it's too soon but he says they want to release it for Christmas. I still doubt it but the point is, they're gunning for that time frame.

My source works in Apple R&D. He doesn't know everything and is separate from the iPhone department, but he's been on it with everything he's told me up until now (Air, iPad, glass trackpad...).

In fact, keep my post in mind when the Pro's get announced.

I have a source in Apple's R&D and they also had told me here will be two versions, one with 3G and one without. He's never been wrong so far with his info.

KylePowers
May 31, 2011, 12:37 AM
Possibly but I spoke to my good friend at Apple R&D last week and he said the timeline was still Jan or Feb for the redesigns.
Can you ask him what date the refreshed MBAs are supposed to land? Pretty please?

kjjnk
May 31, 2011, 12:41 AM
Can you ask him what date the refreshed MBAs are supposed to land? Pretty please?

The guy is just a troll that likes to talk about his supposed friend from Apple's R&D.

The MacBook Air will likely get refreshed next week at WWDC.
http://www.9to5mac.com/69797/macbook-air-supplies-constrained-ahead-of-summer-refresh/

Tymmz
May 31, 2011, 12:42 AM
This looks very promising. I can't wait to replace my 2009 MBP with an Air and Lion.

Good times ahead.

CoreForce
May 31, 2011, 12:44 AM
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"press release in which Intel predicts that a new class of laptops called "Ultrabooks" could make up 40% of the consumer latop market by the end of 2012."

Market prediction from marketing department of a market company, how great does this sound?
The Internet bubble didn't explode loud enough.

KylePowers
May 31, 2011, 12:47 AM
The guy is just a troll that likes to talk about his supposed friend from Apple's R&D.

The MacBook Air will likely get refreshed next week at WWDC.
http://www.9to5mac.com/69797/macbook-air-supplies-constrained-ahead-of-summer-refresh/
Not likely:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/28/no-hardware-announcements-at-wwdc-2011/

kjjnk
May 31, 2011, 12:53 AM
Not likely:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/28/no-hardware-announcements-at-wwdc-2011/

WWDC is more than just a two hour conference.

Cougarcat
May 31, 2011, 12:57 AM
WWDC is more than just a two hour conference.

The Loop's Jim Dalrymple is very, very accurate. Accurate as in, Apple leaks information to him.

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Does anyone know what intel's next integrated graphics are looking like? What can we expect a 13" ivy bridge MBP to have next year? Something significantly better than the HD 3000, I hope.

Eidorian
May 31, 2011, 01:00 AM
The Loop's Jim Dalrymple is very, very accurate. Accurate as in, Apple leaks information to him.

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Does anyone know what intel's next integrated graphics are looking like? What can we expect a 13" ivy bridge MBP to have next year? Something significantly better than the HD 3000, I hope.25% more shaders. Whatever that translates into.

kjjnk
May 31, 2011, 01:00 AM
The Loop's Jim Dalrymple is very, very accurate. Accurate as in, Apple leaks information to him.
I'll believe it when I see it.


Does anyone know what intel's next integrated graphics are looking like? What can we expect a 13" ivy bridge MBP to have next year? Something significantly better than the HD 3000, I hope.

Ivy Bridge will be a 30% improvement over the HD Graphics 3000 present in Sandy Bridge according to Intel.

roocka
May 31, 2011, 01:05 AM
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When will Apple start making Liquidmetal computers? THAT is the question.

2992
May 31, 2011, 01:10 AM
welcome to the copy/paste world!

caspersoong
May 31, 2011, 01:15 AM
I love the "that I can't open easily". Obviously too little R&D went into it.

Cheffy Dave
May 31, 2011, 01:28 AM
Intel just keeps making chips.....
When will there be a sweet spot to buy a MB air?
honestly i would now wait until 2013 to buy one....

then you will always be waiting!:cool:

devilstrider
May 31, 2011, 01:30 AM
welcome to the copy/paste world!

Welcome to the internet.

Cheffy Dave
May 31, 2011, 01:32 AM
You mean the same guy that told you the 2011 MacBook Pro would have a retina display? And that there would be a 15" MacBook Air?

BUSTED!:eek:

Marx55
May 31, 2011, 01:45 AM
Hopefully, a really ultraportable MacBook Air soon: 400 to 600 g and 7-inch. The Mac in your pocket. Always.

dark knight
May 31, 2011, 01:46 AM
When the new MacBook Air models surfaced last year I knew the design was going to be ripped off by other companies because it was so good. Now that I see this Asus I am nonetheless shocked at the audacity some companies have. It's tragic to see companies feel they need to resort to blatant plagiarism in order to compete with Apple's designs.

come on! and to hold it up against an air too!
i think it just proved the macbook looked better.

what a shameful copy:(

EatSleepMac
May 31, 2011, 01:50 AM
Asus is getting worse then Samsung with the Apple knock-offs..

killjoys
May 31, 2011, 01:52 AM
Well, despite being a complete ripoff, it honestly doesn't look half bad. It still doesn't compare to the Air though.

AppleScruff1
May 31, 2011, 01:54 AM
The Asus looks even better than the Air.

radiohead14
May 31, 2011, 02:13 AM
Tapered design,glass trackpad....complete rip-off

When the new MacBook Air models surfaced last year I knew the design was going to be ripped off by other companies because it was so good. Now that I see this Asus I am nonetheless shocked at the audacity some companies have. It's tragic to see companies feel they need to resort to blatant plagiarism in order to compete with Apple's designs.

the tapered/wedge design is nothing new. some would argue that the MBA's design was inspired by Sony's X505, which came out 4 years before the Air:

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/sony_vaio_505.jpg

http://www.sony-europe.com/discussions/servlet/JiveServlet/download/435064-5234/sony-x505-vs-macbook-air.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djxLKQQEf34

Reason077
May 31, 2011, 02:18 AM
Tapered design,glass trackpad....complete rip-off

Yup, Apple ought to be suing over this one. The Asus team of copy-cat, bootleg engineers have clearly been working overtime!

Reason077
May 31, 2011, 02:21 AM
the tapered/wedge design is nothing new. some would argue that the MBA's design was inspired by Sony's X505, which came out 4 years before the Air:


The difference is that the X505 was a creaky, clunky toy with a 10" screen, undersize keyboard, and such tiny batteries that you were lucky to get 60 minutes of battery life. The Air (yes, even the original one) was, despite its faults, really a useable laptop.

The design, appearance, and construction of the X505 was also entirely different and unrelated to the Air.

AppleScruff1
May 31, 2011, 02:21 AM
the tapered/wedge design is nothing new. some would argue that the MBA's design was inspired by Sony's X505, which came out 4 years before the Air:

Image (http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/sony_vaio_505.jpg)

Image (http://www.sony-europe.com/discussions/servlet/JiveServlet/download/435064-5234/sony-x505-vs-macbook-air.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djxLKQQEf34

Apple copied Sony. But that's ok as long as Apple does it.

Bernd
May 31, 2011, 02:28 AM
I thought they've always been pretty slow with hardware updates.

From what I understand the ULV Sandy Bridge chips did not come out until late this month or early June. Apple can't sell what Intel does not make. The MBA has always used ULV chips since its introduction. The current shipping Sandy Bridge chips have been Sever/Desktop/standard mobile chips.

DeanSolecki
May 31, 2011, 02:34 AM
Could someone find a picture of a laptop that looks exactly like a MBP that came out before it to shut these idiots up? I'm sure there is one. They didn't, after all, invent metal, or black, or keyboards. There are only so many ways to make a notebook out of metal or plastic, after all.

The black MacBook was pretty much a rip-off of something IBM started doing shortly after the dinosaurs departed. :rolleyes:

gnasher729
May 31, 2011, 02:48 AM
Possibly but I spoke to my good friend at Apple R&D last week and he said the timeline was still Jan or Feb for the redesigns.

You don't have a good friend at Apple R&D.

If you ever had a good friend there, he would have stopped being your friend when you kept asking him about new hardware.

If he you told you anything, he would be "my good friend who used to work at Apple R&D" because he would have been fired.


Intel describes this family of notebooks as "thin, light and beautiful designs that are less than 20mm (0.8 inch) thick, and mainstream price points under US $1,000. These "ultrabooks" already sound very similar to Apple's MacBook Air which we've already heard is evolving into a mainstream product.

Since Apple already has a mainstream product with a price point under US $1000 with this description, and without any new Intel products coming out, it looks like nobody is going to beat them on price. Since we know that nobody beats Intel on anything other than price, things look very good for the MBA.

Mr. Gates
May 31, 2011, 02:49 AM
The Asus looks even better than the Air.

I totally agree !

I want one, I wonder if there is any battery comparison to the current Air.

freddiecable
May 31, 2011, 02:53 AM
well - it's more or less a copy :)

very nice looking PC laptop. I like it. I am glad it coming to market, love :apple: having competition.

AppleScruff1
May 31, 2011, 02:57 AM
I totally agree !

I want one, I wonder if there is any battery comparison to the current Air.

That will probably be a shortcoming compared to the Air.

Deflorator
May 31, 2011, 03:03 AM
2011 - the year of copycats...

AppleScruff1
May 31, 2011, 03:07 AM
2011 - the year of copycats...

He's a legend in his own mind.

rmwebs
May 31, 2011, 03:08 AM
That's a 1 on 1 copy of the MBA. Let's see if Apple are going to sue Asus over it...

Hardly....its a thin laptop...try and find somewhere else to put those ports on something that thin. The only thing you could really say is remotely mac like is the glass trackpad, and even then there are others that had glass trackpads BEFORE Apple.

Get a grip man.

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 03:15 AM
Surely they can't blatantly rip off the form factor?

To me this is worse than the Samsung infringement.

AppleScruff1
May 31, 2011, 03:18 AM
Surely they can't blatantly rip off the form factor?

To me this is worse than the Samsung infringement.

Does Apple have a shape patent?

allbrokeup
May 31, 2011, 03:44 AM
WELL DONE ASUS, you've completely copied the MacBook Air. Couldn't think of anything else to design, so they took apart an MBA and replicated it, changed a COUPLE of things, and BAM, they unleash the UX 21. Idiots.

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 03:47 AM
Does Apple have a shape patent?

Shape patent? Are you serious or do you not understand anything about design?

mijail
May 31, 2011, 04:01 AM
Could someone find a picture of a laptop that looks exactly like a MBP that came out before it to shut these idiots up? I'm sure there is one. They didn't, after all, invent metal, or black, or keyboards. There are only so many ways to make a notebook out of metal or plastic, after all.

The black MacBook was pretty much a rip-off of something IBM started doing shortly after the dinosaurs departed. :rolleyes:

Translation: "I don't really know and I am too lazy to check but my dogma says this and so it must be, dammit".

Tantrum much?

Skika
May 31, 2011, 04:09 AM
i'm glad i haven't upgraded from my late 2008 MBP this year. I allready have the money on the side for the 2012 MacBook Pro :D.


Really looking forward to what Apple comes up with in terms of design, trinkets to match the Intel chips awesomeness.

DeanSolecki
May 31, 2011, 04:09 AM
Translation: "I don't really know and I am too lazy to check but my dogma says this and so it must be, dammit".

Tantrum much?

I suppose I could do a google search for "silver laptop," but you were supposed to get that there are only a handful of design choices and there simply will be overlap.

What dogma exactly are you referring to? I'm an Apple user, but you fanatics make that a somewhat embarrassing admission.

BLACKFRIDAY
May 31, 2011, 04:16 AM
Maybe that really resembles the newer MacBook Airs, I think, we all should understand that most of these things end up looking just the same. There are specific ways to design these laptops and although the ASUS one is more or less a copy, one can't really blame.

Even the older MacBook airs were inspired from Toshiba and Sony laptops.

gpat
May 31, 2011, 04:29 AM
I think Pro will get more "airy" in 2012, and in 2013 Air is going to be merged completely in the Pro line, going back to two lines of laptops. Or even one, who knows.

Javik
May 31, 2011, 04:34 AM
That air looks thick, ugly, and toy-like compared to that asus. we'll see if performance, cost, and battery life can live up to that profile and form

zombierunner
May 31, 2011, 04:39 AM
wow .. i was planning to buy the macbook air after the refresh in june/july .. but i was only going to purchase that to get the "mac experience" - already have a powerful pc desktop

but i think now i'm gona put that on hold and just get the macbook airs with ivybridge ... should be exciting

daneoni
May 31, 2011, 04:41 AM
Am i the only one a bit wary about the switch to 22nm/tri-gate. It seems Rev A-ish to me and thus may have issues no?

Javik
May 31, 2011, 04:41 AM
Surely they can't blatantly rip off the form factor?

To me this is worse than the Samsung infringement.

I think it takes way more than a design sketch to create a fully functioning, well form-factored computer. I feel that they have successfully succeeded in what until till this point, only apple has been able to do. Metal keys and body are nice and provide a nice differentiation from the air.

andiwm2003
May 31, 2011, 04:58 AM
The guy is just a troll that likes to talk about his supposed friend from Apple's R&D.

The MacBook Air will likely get refreshed next week at WWDC.
http://www.9to5mac.com/69797/macbook-air-supplies-constrained-ahead-of-summer-refresh/

hey, be nice. we all have imaginary friends that talk to us. i mean we all do have them, or?:o

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 05:26 AM
I just wish that Apple would quit dragging their feet and update their old products to the processors that Intel is currently offering!

It seems to me Apple is going for 1 or 2 refresh per quarters. That way they can keep sale numbers high during the whole year instead of having ups and downs depending on which quarters saw a refresh and which didn't.

littyboy
May 31, 2011, 05:27 AM
They could've made the screen larger!!!! Look at all the space they used for the frame... what a shame...

But ASUS better watch out, you know how Apple likes to go on suing sprees LOL

And no, ASUS is NOT copying apple's shape... It's the only way you can build a super thin laptop...

Lesser Evets
May 31, 2011, 05:35 AM
Looks like future MacBook Pros will look similar to that as well, and the MacBook Air line will become the new MacBook, i'm guessing.

Doubt it. The Air is still a rather neutered MacBook, due to lack of speed and storage when compared.

There are 4 tiers of computing in Apple (putting aside the iPhone and mp3 players)--basic portable (iPad), limited fully functional portable (AirBook), fully functional portable (MacBook), fully functional desktop (iMac), ultra-functional (MacPro). I doubt Apple is going to play games between these lines and make their fully functional portables limit down just to fit a form factor. People with fully functional portables use them for serious work more often than not, and that niche is strong.

What I am curious about is when Mac, leading the industry as seen in this article, will get the balls to chop off the AirBook keyboard and make it a tablet with full OSX. The industry, not the consumers, is so hesitant to take the obvious step. While these thin laptop/netbooks will have a market, the market for them is evaporating as the form+function+convenience of the tablet becomes craved. I'd bet the non-pro/work portables are all tablets by 2014; especially after reading about the expected reduction in power consumption by Intel processors in 2013. Less heat, less bulk, less battery, smaller form, all spells portability.

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 05:36 AM
ASUS hardware is so much better than Apples. You would be better off buying one of them.

With your posts and sig I believe you may be in the wrong place?

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 05:41 AM
With your posts and sig I believe you may be in the wrong place?

His post was factual :

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_squaretrade3.jpg

Sony, Toshiba and Asus produce more "reliable" laptops than Apple. Is stating facts against the forum rules or something ? Why is he in the wrong place based on his statement ?

Am I also in the wrong place because I dug up that graph ? ;)

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 05:48 AM
Well 1.8% isn't really "so much better" is it.

BLACKFRIDAY
May 31, 2011, 05:50 AM
His post was factual :

Image (http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_squaretrade3.jpg)

Sony, Toshiba and Asus produce more "reliable" laptops than Apple. Is stating facts against the forum rules or something ? Why is he in the wrong place based on his statement ?

Am I also in the wrong place because I dug up that graph ? ;)

I must be too 'Apple-centric' to post this:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384244,00.asp
http://common5.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/30/0,1468,i=300130,00.gif

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384243,00.asp
http://common4.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/30/0,1468,i=300127,00.gif

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 05:52 AM
His post was factual :

Image (http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_squaretrade3.jpg)

Sony, Toshiba and Asus produce more "reliable" laptops than Apple. Is stating facts against the forum rules or something ? Why is he in the wrong place based on his statement ?

Am I also in the wrong place because I dug up that graph ? ;)

Find one "Positive" post about apple.

http://forums.macrumors.com/search.php?searchid=23491514&pp=25

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 06:00 AM
:o

res1233
May 31, 2011, 06:02 AM
iToys are ALL that Apple truly cares about. They make more profit for Apple than any other product.

Computers are on the back burner.

Right. Because Apple hasn't introduced any significant updates to Macs for ages! Or are you just one of those people that doesn't consider an update significant unless it comes with a shiny new case?... If that's the case (the pun wasn't intended, but lol) check out the new MBA then. :)

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 06:05 AM
Find one "Positive" post about apple

Is there something in the forum rules about having to post "positives" about Apple ? Maybe he's the kind of guy who doesn't post just to say he agrees with something or finds something positive.

Everyone has a place here and a right to be here as long as they follow the rules and no one should question why anyone is on this forum.

peteroyle
May 31, 2011, 06:05 AM
Ate least it looks easy to open.

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 06:06 AM
Ate least it looks easy to open.

Yeah, what's up with that ? the MBA commercial makes it seem so easy to open the thing with 1 hand. No one has yet managed to reproduce that on my Air, not even me (and I open it multiple times a day). The hinge is tight and so trying to open it like in the commercial results in the whole thing lifting off the table.

qtx43
May 31, 2011, 06:09 AM
I must be too 'Apple-centric' to post this:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384244,00.asp
Image (http://common5.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/30/0,1468,i=300130,00.gif)

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384243,00.asp
Image (http://common4.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/30/0,1468,i=300127,00.gif)
Once again, Apple's ratings are in their own league despite the fact that 15% of the Apple notebooks rated in our survey needed repairs within the last 12 months. That's significantly worse than the industry average, and it's a higher rate of repair than everyone but Alienware (21%), Dell (19%), and Gateway (16%). Nine brands had better repair rates; three were even down into the single digits: Samsung (5%), Asus (9%) and Acer (9%).So, basically Apple customers like the product despite worse reliability. I do too, but facts are facts.

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 06:10 AM
Is there something in the forum rules about having to post "positives" about Apple ? Maybe he's the kind of guy who doesn't post just to say he agrees with something or finds something positive.

Everyone has a place here and a right to be here as long as they follow the rules and no one should question why anyone is on this forum.

Jesus christ. You're making out i've attacked him. Just pointing out something obvious. Its an apple forum to discuss apple?

:rolleyes: < this smiley doesn't do justice.

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 06:13 AM
You're making out i've attacked him. Just pointing out something obvious. Its an apple forum to discuss apple?

You did attack him and you weren't discussing Apple (he was though), you were discussing the poster. You were basically attacking the messenger instead of the message. His post was simply pointing out that Asus has better reliability than Apple in certain recent studies, which is a factual point and is very much on-topic for the thread.

If you have no rebuttal to that point, don't reply to the poster rather than replying and questioning his motives for being on the forum. And why are you now getting mad because I'm questioning your motive for posting ? You questioned someone else, you should assume it's then valid to question your own motives. Do unto others...

maclaptop
May 31, 2011, 06:28 AM
They could've made the screen larger!!!! Look at all the space they used for the frame... what a shame...

But ASUS better watch out, you know how Apple likes to go on suing sprees LOL

And no, ASUS is NOT copying apple's shape... It's the only way you can build a super thin laptop...

Great post!

Once again this proves the terrific benefit of competition.

Apple is very fortunate to have Intel building their processors.

Ever since Apple saw the light, set aside their uncontrollable ego, and got serious about using the excellent Intel chips, Macs have been better off.

This road map is ideal for the PC makers as well. Once again Intel prevails. :)

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 06:36 AM
You did attack him and you weren't discussing Apple (he was though), you were discussing the poster. You were basically attacking the messenger instead of the message. His post was simply pointing out that Asus has better reliability than Apple in certain recent studies, which is a factual point and is very much on-topic for the thread.

If you have no rebuttal to that point, don't reply to the poster rather than replying and questioning his motives for being on the forum. And why are you now getting mad because I'm questioning your motive for posting ? You questioned someone else, you should assume it's then valid to question your own motives. Do unto others...

haha listen to yourself.

He didn't mention anything about "reliability" and didn't link any "studies". he came into the thread and bashed apple as what he does with all his other post (if you bother to click the link).

Whats the point being on an apple forum if you have no interest in apple?

I'm pretty much done on this now so i apologize in advance for not replying to your next post.

Cheers

neuropsychguy
May 31, 2011, 06:37 AM
You shouldn't have done that Asus, now Apple will sue you for copying the MacBook Air!

Looks like future MacBook Pros will look similar to that as well, and the MacBook Air line will become the new MacBook, i'm guessing.
Here's to Ultrabooks, sounds ultra expensive.

The biggest issue with Samsung and Apple is that Samsung has/had access to iOS products early because they were involved in the manufacturing chain. So when they come out with products that look and act very similar to Apple's it's like insider trading. I don't think Apple will care much about this new Asus laptop. Companies will always mimic Apple because Apple has more influence on trends than any other single computer company.

neko girl
May 31, 2011, 06:39 AM
His post was factual :

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_squaretrade3.jpg

Sony, Toshiba and Asus produce more "reliable" laptops than Apple. Is stating facts against the forum rules or something ? Why is he in the wrong place based on his statement ?

Am I also in the wrong place because I dug up that graph ? ;)
Way to go telling everyone that the sample size for this survey was 30k laptops and conducted by SquareTrade. Using a study published by an insurance sales group? What next? Are you going to publish McAfee reports on how the amount of malware is going out of control?

How gullible are you?

Please have a read:
http://www.resourcesforlife.com/docs/item2594

mamouneyya
May 31, 2011, 06:50 AM
Cloning machines have just started...

*LTD*
May 31, 2011, 06:50 AM
WELL DONE ASUS, you've completely copied the MacBook Air. Couldn't think of anything else to design, so they took apart an MBA and replicated it, changed a COUPLE of things, and BAM, they unleash the UX 21. Idiots.

It's like a one-to-one copy.

I know Jonny Shih said he wanted Asus to be the Apple of the Wintel world, but it looks like he actually meant he wanted Asus to *be* Apple. LOL

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/10/asus-wants-to-be-another-apple/

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2010/2/10&pages=PD&seq=221

Asustek chairman Jonney Shih pointed out that the company is aiming to become another Apple, but will instead adopt open-source platforms including ARM and Google combinations, and Windows/Intel to suit consumer demand.

Asustek also said that it will launch a "killer product" in June.

Point of order: you can't "adopt open-source platforms including ARM and Google combinations" and hope to be another Apple. Wrong business model. Blatant copying doesn't quite cut it, either.

Where was that Killer product in June 2010? :confused:

ASUS hardware is so much better than Apples. You would be better off buying one of them.

What about the software? That's kinda a big part of buying a Mac. :confused:

No OS X, no sale.

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 07:09 AM
How gullible are you?

Shooting the messenger also ? If you have a better report, please submit it. Meanwhile, RESCUECOM had also found the same conclusion and the report was submitted by IDC :

http://media.bestofmicro.com/4/Z/220499/original/Capture.PNG

So if you want to challenge these reports, how about digging up reports with facts instead of just brushing aside based on the messenger ?

And no, I'm not gullible, I was simply pointing that there is evidence out there (I didn't comment on the validity of the evidence itself) that the comment originally made was factual and based on evidence.

Why does everytime someone question Apple's "supermacy", it's always the poster that gets attacked instead of the argument ? For the 2nd time this week : Can't we ever have an objective discussion around here ?

organerito
May 31, 2011, 07:21 AM
Is there something in the forum rules about having to post "positives" about Apple ? Maybe he's the kind of guy who doesn't post just to say he agrees with something or finds something positive.

Everyone has a place here and a right to be here as long as they follow the rules and no one should question why anyone is on this forum.

Wow

It is very nice to know that not all people in this forum are fundamentalists.

-----------
I was very interested in the MBA. I like better now the Asus one. If it has at least a 5-hour battery in real life, I'll get. Otherwise the MBA is also very good choice.

mijail
May 31, 2011, 07:21 AM
Way to go telling everyone that the sample size for this survey was 30k laptops and conducted by SquareTrade.

And what exactly is the problem with the 30k figure?

Using a study published by an insurance sales group? What next? Are you going to publish McAfee reports on how the amount of malware is going out of control?

If the report used reasonable sources, cited them, and did a honest work, why not?

How gullible are you?


How aggresive do you need to be?


Please have a read:
http://www.resourcesforlife.com/docs/item2594

Sorry, but that page only offers a lot of handwaving based on anecdotes. You can't first dismiss statistics about 30k laptops and then try to base yourself on 3 laptops.

mijail
May 31, 2011, 07:27 AM
Shooting the messenger also ? If you have a better report, please submit it. Meanwhile, RESCUECOM had also found the same conclusion and the report was submitted by IDC :
....

Would be greatly helpful if you linked to the sources. Because if I google about RESCUECOM and IDC, I find this: "Computer Reliability Annual Report: Apple is No. 1" (http://tazakhobor.com/component/content/74?task=view). Which seems to contradict you, containing pearls like "For the third year in a row, Apple (AAPL) has come in first in that annual survey."

OllyW
May 31, 2011, 07:28 AM
Way to go telling everyone that the sample size for this survey was 30k laptops and conducted by SquareTrade. Using a study published by an insurance sales group? What next? Are you going to publish McAfee reports on how the amount of malware is going out of control?

How gullible are you?

Please have a read:
http://www.resourcesforlife.com/docs/item2594

I notice that the article you link to uses Consumer Reports findings to discredit the SquareTrade report.

When the same Consumer Reports wouldn't recommend the iPhone 4 (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/12/consumer-reports-cant-recommend-iphone-4-due-to-signal-issues/) because of the antennae design and reception issues they were ridiculed by many MacRumors forum users who said their reviews were worthless. :D

BLACKFRIDAY
May 31, 2011, 07:34 AM
I notice that the article you link to uses Consumer Reports findings to discredit the SquareTrade report.

When the same Consumer Reports wouldn't recommend the iPhone 4 (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/12/consumer-reports-cant-recommend-iphone-4-due-to-signal-issues/) because of the antennae design and reception issues they were ridiculed by many MacRumors forum users who said their reviews were worthless. :D

Agreed. But would I relate that to being a hypocrite or something else, I don't know.

iPhone 4 surely did seem to drop the signal, but honestly, my cousin never dropped a call with it. I don't use it, so I personally don't know, but still I cannot deny that the iPhone antenna design was probably faulty.

For most, there was no issue. For some, they couldn't bear it. On another note, I don't pay heed to Consumer reports; the guys may be good but they are just some guys reviewing stuff. Do they excel at it? Don't know.

ChrisTX
May 31, 2011, 07:40 AM
Ignoring the fact that Windows 7 is a much better Operating System

Matter of opinion, many around here might disagree with that too.

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 07:41 AM
Ignoring the fact that Windows 7 is a much better Operating System you can still install OS X on most ASUS motherboards. For example

http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Run_Mac_OS_X_on_an_Eee_PC

Can you put "In my opinion" before this bit.

Having used windows through out my whole life and now on OSX (about 4 months) i can assure you, in my opinion, it is not better.

ciTiger
May 31, 2011, 07:42 AM
I'm really hoping the next MBP refresh brings something like this but without making any more compromises...

ChrisTX
May 31, 2011, 07:45 AM
I'm really hoping the next MBP refresh brings something like this but without making any more compromises...

Thinner, and lighter is great but not at the expensive of losing some proprietary ports that MBP's are known for.

Popeye206
May 31, 2011, 07:56 AM
very nice looking PC laptop. I like it. I am glad it coming to market, love :apple: having competition.

I think you meant to say, "looks like a nice MBA knock-off". :p

It will be interesting to see how devices like this Acus stand up on battery life and what the price will be.

jonnysods
May 31, 2011, 07:56 AM
Wow, the things they can do right now with processor technology astounds me. So much engineering genius goes into these things that we take for granted and now gripe about.

For example - iPhone - science fiction 4 years ago!

Popeye206
May 31, 2011, 08:01 AM
Can you put "In my opinion" before this bit.

Having used windows through out my whole life and now on OSX (about 4 months) i can assure you, in my opinion, it is not better.

Maybe he meant it was better than Vista? :p

ghostlyorb
May 31, 2011, 08:15 AM
First glance I though that was a MBA... Looks like they might have had a Law-suit if the power port was on the same side as the MBA. Haha.

tigress666
May 31, 2011, 08:30 AM
Shooting the messenger also ? If you have a better report, please submit it. Meanwhile, RESCUECOM had also found the same conclusion and the report was submitted by IDC :

Image (http://media.bestofmicro.com/4/Z/220499/original/Capture.PNG)

So if you want to challenge these reports, how about digging up reports with facts instead of just brushing aside based on the messenger ?

And no, I'm not gullible, I was simply pointing that there is evidence out there (I didn't comment on the validity of the evidence itself) that the comment originally made was factual and based on evidence.

Why does everytime someone question Apple's "supermacy", it's always the poster that gets attacked instead of the argument ? For the 2nd time this week : Can't we ever have an objective discussion around here ?

I'd believe the study.

I absolutely love my MBP and I loved my MB but I've never had so many issues with a computer than I have with either and my MBP is just getting out of warranty now. So far it has a trackpad I've given up on getting fixed as they've replaced it three times so it's not the trackpad but it's an intermittant problem so at least it usually works and two keys off the keyboard have fallen off (one when a cat walked over the computer, I'm sorry, but the weight of a cat shouldn't break off the key. The other one I just found the laptop with the key off of it. I suspect what happened was one of those minature helicopters that me and my dad were playing with fell on it but those things are so light that I'm still not impressed that that was all it took but I'm not even sure that was what did it as I'm pretty sure I inspected it and the computer was fine. All I know is later that day I came home and the key was off and the only one home was my mom who wouldn't be doing anything rambunctious that would cause anything to the laptop). One broke the clip so I had to get it replaced by Apple. Given my history with the MB which had a ton of little stuff go wrong and now still having issues with the MBP I'm not holding hope it will be better than the MB.

It's too bad cause I love the design features and the OS of course. But honestly, if some one else made a laptop that ran OSX, at this point I'd seriously be considering them (it would depend on how their laptop's features compared to mine) cause I don't have much faith in Apple's quality control at all :( (least they do seem to have good customer service though).

aliensporebomb
May 31, 2011, 08:35 AM
I'd like to think it's:

"My friend at Apple R&D who keeps telling me stuff that isn't true to mess with my head because he's actually a great practical joker...."

You don't have a good friend at Apple R&D.

If you ever had a good friend there, he would have stopped being your friend when you kept asking him about new hardware.

If he you told you anything, he would be "my good friend who used to work at Apple R&D" because he would have been fired.




Since Apple already has a mainstream product with a price point under US $1000 with this description, and without any new Intel products coming out, it looks like nobody is going to beat them on price. Since we know that nobody beats Intel on anything other than price, things look very good for the MBA.

mijail
May 31, 2011, 08:47 AM
...
two keys off the keyboard have fallen off (one when a cat walked over the computer, I'm sorry, but the weight of a cat shouldn't break off the key. ...

I also have had cats. I also saw one of them walking over the keyboard, and he immediately got interested in the keys, so I had to scare him off.
Are you sure your cat was only "walking" there and not, you know, doing cute cat'y games with those cat'y nails of theirs?

The other one I just found the laptop with the key off of it. I suspect what happened was one of those minature helicopters that me and my dad were playing with fell on it but those things are so light that I'm still not impressed that that was all it took but I'm not even sure that was what did it as I'm pretty sure I inspected it and the computer was fine.

"just found"? Well, my suspicion would be towards the, you know, cat'y angle of things. Is your cat free to "walk" over your computer when you are not around?

toddybody
May 31, 2011, 08:51 AM
Can you put "In my opinion" before this bit.

Having used windows through out my whole life and now on OSX (about 4 months) i can assure you, in my opinion, it is not better.

"In my opinion" theyre both wonderful...for different things.

Gaming: Windows>OSX
Hardware limitations aside, OSX consistently under performs when compared to bootcamp gaming. Slow adoption for new OpenGL standards...etc

Customized HW Experience: Windows>Mac
You can run Windows on a myriad of HW configurations. This also carries the benefit of cutting edge HW inclusion...the newest and greatest is always at your fingertips (Mobo/Component limitations aside)

Upgradeable: Windows>Mac
Self Explanatory.

General User Experience: OSX>Windows
Dont want to sound trite in stating the obvious.

Included 1st Party SW: OSX>Windows
OSX's standard application suite is just fantastic...and trounces all the windows bloatware.

Security/Maintenance: OSX>Windows
While I dont ever have problems with my W7 Gaming box(and I believe it to be a very secure OS)...I do go through more maintenance tasking (AVG Free, CCleaner, Slew of Windows updates...etc) than for any Apple machine I own.



Dont hate on Window's ya'll ;)

Lets appreciate both:)

DeanSolecki
May 31, 2011, 08:55 AM
I'd like to think it's:

"My friend at Apple R&D who keeps telling me stuff that isn't true to mess with my head because he's actually a great practical joker...."

My good friend at apple told me that you don't have a good friend at apple.

He also said the iPhone 5 (which will be called the iPhone 2S) will support flash and connect to a physical keyboard via PS/2.

Count on it.

gnasher729
May 31, 2011, 08:56 AM
Ignoring the fact that Windows 7 is a much better Operating System you can still install OS X on most ASUS motherboards.

The first is your opinion and wrong, the second is illegal.


ASUS hardware is so much better than Apples. You would be better off buying one of them.

I take the previous response back. It is not a "wrong opinion", it's pretty delusional.

I'd like to think it's:

"My friend at Apple R&D who keeps telling me stuff that isn't true to mess with my head because he's actually a great practical joker...."

Actually, I am not allowed to say anything about plans or releases of my company, whether it is true or made up just for fun, and I'm pretty sure it's the same for Apple employees. On the other hand, anyone who is not an Apple employee is probably free to claim they work in Apple R&D and make up stories as long as they are not libel. So it would be "My friend who lied to me about working at Apple R&D keeps telling me stuff that isn't true to mess with my head because he's actually a great practical joker...."


Shape patent? Are you serious or do you not understand anything about design?

What the poster meant was: Does Apple have design patents that protect the design of the MacBook Air, and is this Asus design so close to it that it infringes on these design patents? Design patents are what you use to protect a design from being copied. No design patent means very little protection. I guess somebody should look up if Apple has any design patents that cover the MBA.

tigress666
May 31, 2011, 08:57 AM
I also have had cats. I also saw one of them walking over the keyboard, and he immediately got interested in the keys, so I had to scare him off.
Are you sure your cat was only "walking" there and not, you know, doing cute cat'y games with those cat'y nails of theirs?



"just found"? Well, my suspicion would be towards the, you know, cat'y angle of things. Is your cat free to "walk" over your computer when you are not around?

No, there was no cat in that incidence (that first one was when I worked at a vet and there was a vet cat. I saw her walk across the keyboard and the key popped out). The only person around was my mom, and a very sedate dog that would not jump up on where the laptop was unless some one told him to (he wouldn't even if there was food there, he has to be encouraged to eat by my parents ... he's a very odd dog. But I know that dog and I'm absolutely sure he didn't even touch the computer, he'd have no motivation to and all he does is lay around). Honestly I suspect more the helicopter and that I some how missed that it did something (other than that I really can't think of anything that could have happened to it in that time).

And, honestly, I'm sorry but on the first incidence a cat walking across it shouldn't pop a key out, I'm still less than impressed. It wasn't even like the cat pounced on the keyboard, she just casually walked over it cause it happened to be in her way (I almost started thinking maybe a claw got caught and then I remembered the vet declawed her <- not that I'd ever do that to one of my cats). I bet I put more force typing (I was taught on a non electric typewriter and people tell me it shows cause I tend to be a heavier typer than most).

Though neither key is one I type on much, they were both upper right corner (eject button for the cat I think and the button next to it? for the other. It didn't affect me much typing wise, but I was not happy with the idea of having a less than year old computer that already was showing falling apart).

gorgeousninja
May 31, 2011, 08:59 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

What Intel has coming does sound exciting. I just wish that Apple would quit dragging their feet and update their old products to the processors that Intel is currently offering! It shouldn't take so long. I suppose that Apple is only focusing on things like phones these days.

Umm Larry Apple was the first company to use Sandy Bridge... Guess you were too busy to notice....

Blakjack
May 31, 2011, 09:00 AM
Cool Asus, but ugly color IMO. The keyboard color would drive me insane with all the shininess.

I'm really excited about the future of notebooks. Thin, light, and powerful.

I love that color this is the color I was hoping Apple changed to. Thought they would when they changed their website color. The metal keys are beautiful. The whole thngs is beautiful.

gorgeousninja
May 31, 2011, 09:03 AM
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Tapered design,glass trackpad....complete rip-off

No, no, no..... It's generic!!

mijail
May 31, 2011, 09:05 AM
"In my opinion" theyre both wonderful...for different things.

Gaming: Windows>OSX
Hardware limitations aside, OSX consistently under performs when compared to bootcamp gaming. Slow adoption for new OpenGL standards...etc


You mean OpenGL standards are more used in the Windows side? I thought it was mainly DirectX there.

randomrazr
May 31, 2011, 09:12 AM
next tuesday ...

are u retarded?

apple just updated there macbooks pros and imacs with intels latest sandy bridge processors. the pros were even the first notebooks to carry them.

id say there pretty well ahead with the times.

randomrazr
May 31, 2011, 09:14 AM
u have to admit guys asus did a pretty good job making the macbook air design even better.

i wish the macbooks would have metal keys. would be alot stronger and last longer than the crappy cheap keys on the macbooks right now

toddybody
May 31, 2011, 09:14 AM
You mean OpenGL standards are more used in the Windows side? I thought it was mainly DirectX there.

Nope, I mean Apple doesnt adopt new OpenGL standards quickly...no implication about Window's use of it.

(Youre totally right) DirectX is definitely their bread and butter.

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 09:15 AM
Would be greatly helpful if you linked to the sources. Because if I google about RESCUECOM and IDC, I find this: "Computer Reliability Annual Report: Apple is No. 1" (http://tazakhobor.com/component/content/74?task=view). Which seems to contradict you, containing pearls like "For the third year in a row, Apple (AAPL) has come in first in that annual survey."

It's from 2009 :

http://www.slashgear.com/asus-now-more-reliable-than-apple-says-study-2438719/

Cougarcat
May 31, 2011, 09:16 AM
You mean OpenGL standards are more used in the Windows side? I thought it was mainly DirectX there.

It is, and Apple is slow in updating OpenGL...4 is out, but we are only getting 3.2 in Lion.

Macsterguy
May 31, 2011, 09:16 AM
Shape patent? Are you serious or do you not understand anything about design?

That's like saying Firestone copied Goodyear in a tire design... Round is about the only way you can make a tire... Square just doesn't get it...

Let's not forget the OS :)

TheUndertow
May 31, 2011, 09:18 AM
Shooting the messenger also ? If you have a better report, please submit it. Meanwhile, RESCUECOM had also found the same conclusion and the report was submitted by IDC :

Image (http://media.bestofmicro.com/4/Z/220499/original/Capture.PNG)

So if you want to challenge these reports, how about digging up reports with facts instead of just brushing aside based on the messenger ?

And no, I'm not gullible, I was simply pointing that there is evidence out there (I didn't comment on the validity of the evidence itself) that the comment originally made was factual and based on evidence.

Why does everytime someone question Apple's "supermacy", it's always the poster that gets attacked instead of the argument ? For the 2nd time this week : Can't we ever have an objective discussion around here ?

I'm 0 for 3 on Asus reliability...3 laptops purchased new and that lasted around a year before they were in the shop.

Ensemble W3j, G71G-A2, G71G-Q.

All had power, mobo, and Power4Gear issues.

Asus has always been on the cusp of high performance at reasonable prices, but based on my ownership experience, I would not buy again.

wizard
May 31, 2011, 09:19 AM
In some ways AMDs Llano Fusion product does out perform Sandy Bridge. In cases where the GPU is important it does extremely well and actually runs cooler.

Looking forward to the Ivy Bridge, although also looking forward to the new AMD processors, It's about time AMD beat Intel :P, it was great in the Athlon XP days, when they easily outperformed Intel P4's in price and performance..

I don't think AMD will ever have the huge gap they once did but they should be in a far better position to offer better value. Further these days GPU performance is very important for a number of users thus making Llano like products more useful for the average user.

As you can see I kinda wish that Apple will look at Llano. At least for the Mini and the Mac Book. It simply dedicates transistors to those things Mac users need the most in these devices.

peanuthead
May 31, 2011, 09:21 AM
A very nice looking machine...
I'm going for the "imitation is the best form of flattery" angle here.

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 09:21 AM
That's like saying Firestone copied Goodyear in a tire design... Round is about the only way you can make a tire... Square just doesn't get it...

Let's not forget the OS :)

eh? are you saying all laptops are rectangle and there isn't anything else to the design?

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 09:25 AM
I'm 0 for 3 on Asus reliability...3 laptops purchased new and that lasted around a year before they were in the shop.


That's cool, I had 4 Apple 24" LED ACDs before I finally just got my money back. All had problems (yellowing, dust under the glass, pixel cluster problems).

I had a CPU fan replaced on my original 2008 Macbook unibody because of a faulty bearing.

I had my iPhone 3GS replaced because the mute switch stopped working.

We all have anecdotal evidence of problems with manufacturers, it's the bigger stats from large enough samples that count and turn anecdote into statistical evidence.

toddybody
May 31, 2011, 09:33 AM
That's cool, I had 4 Apple 24" LED ACDs before I finally just got my money back. All had problems (yellowing, dust under the glass, pixel cluster problems).

I had a CPU fan replaced on my original 2008 Macbook unibody because of a faulty bearing.

I had my iPhone 3GS replaced because the mute switch stopped working.

We all have anecdotal evidence of problems with manufacturers, it's the bigger stats from large enough samples that count and turn anecdote into statistical evidence.

Exactly. I do think its funny though, when people have some weird claim of poor luck regarding one product/brand. For instance, Im on #3 iPad 2.

4 faulty 24" ACD's seems beyond bad luck...borderline cursed:p

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 09:35 AM
4 faulty 24" ACD's seems beyond bad luck...borderline cursed:p

I took it as a message from god (haha, coming from a non-believer!). Especially since the Genius said "Fault or not, if I exchange this one again, you're keeping it" which was pretty clear that I shouldn't exchange the product, just return it.

Macsterguy
May 31, 2011, 09:39 AM
eh? are you saying all laptops are rectangle and there isn't anything else to the design?

Are you saying that you would buy square tires? As long as the input devices are keyboards, yep, laptops will look pretty much like they do today, just lighter and smaller... Unless you use your finger to "touch" as an input device.... Oh yeah, there is already an iPad, iPhone and iTouch....

As long as we use our hands as input devices I just don't think there can be much else soon... Now I am going to use my brain and think real hard - "submit reply"... Nope didn't work - using keyboard now - "click"

mijail
May 31, 2011, 09:52 AM
It's from 2009 :

http://www.slashgear.com/asus-now-more-reliable-than-apple-says-study-2438719/

Well, let's cut to the chase, shall we? Here (http://www.rescuecom.com/blog/index.php/computer-support/the-rescuecom-computer-reliability-report-2nd-quarter-2010)is the original report by RESCUECOM in 2010.

And they say this about their own numbers (4th and 3rd last paragraphs): Asus is cheap, so likely buyers are not paying for repairs, but prefer to buy a new computer - so RESCUECOM can't count them, since they only count calls for repairs. Meanwhile, Macs keep being repaired ... because they keep being in use.

So even RESCUECOM themselves won't jump to the conclusion you are trying to jump to. They in fact say "Apple’s superior level of service for its products has long made them among the most reliable in the industry. "

applesith
May 31, 2011, 09:58 AM
So Kermit the Frog is now introducing products? nice!

radiohead14
May 31, 2011, 09:59 AM
ASUS hardware is so much better than Apples. You would be better off buying one of them.

people here seem to have forgotten or don't know that ASUS manufactured iBooks back then also

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 10:09 AM
So even RESCUECOM themselves won't jump to the conclusion you are trying to jump to. They in fact say "Apple’s superior level of service for its products has long made them among the most reliable in the industry. "

I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Did you follow the sub-thread this is a part of ? I was simply pointing out that the original poster (PlipPlop) in this sub-thread had made a factual statement that can be backed up by some evidence and that the attack that was made on him was unjustified.

Now, if you want to discuss the evidence itself and call into questions the facts, then that is fine. Provide different reports and rebuttals, just like you did here, but don't go accusing the posters of being "haters" just because they post information that shows Apple isn't #1.

And certainly don't put words into my mouth. I did not claim any validity or anything else for these reports nor have I come to conclusions. I just said these reports exist and so there is so form of factual evidence for the initial statement that was made.

mijail
May 31, 2011, 10:19 AM
And certainly don't put words into my mouth. I did not claim any validity or anything else for these reports nor have I come to conclusions. I just said these reports exist and so there is so form of factual evidence for the initial statement that was made.

Well, given that you were citing an older source without initially saying it, and paying attention to the numbers while conveniently omitting the context, it looked to me like you were just implying the unwarranted conclusion.

If that was not the case, I am sorry.

Drag'nGT
May 31, 2011, 10:28 AM
Typical Apple design rip off but that's getting really common lately.

Seriously happy I'm waiting for the Ivy Bridge iMacs next year. Hopefully we see more lightpeak tech in the next generation along with USB 3. I know it's nit picky but I want the latest IOs before I upgrade the desktop. ;)

Now lets see how much better Lion is along with the new hardware.

KnightWRX
May 31, 2011, 10:30 AM
Well, given that you were citing an older source without initially saying it, and paying attention to the numbers while conveniently omitting the context, it looked to me like you were just implying the unwarranted conclusion.

If that was not the case, I am sorry.

I was again simply pointing out how the attack was unjustified on the originator of this sub-thread and pointing out there were many sources of evidence.

AppleScruff1
May 31, 2011, 10:39 AM
Shape patent? Are you serious or do you not understand anything about design?

I'm dumb and don't understand anything about design. Should the other manufacturers make their notebooks shaped more like a shoe box and put the ports on the bottom so that they don't copy Apple? Or maybe they should make it open the other way since Apple notebooks open front to back? Is it ok if the other companies have a keyboard, or would that be a copyright infringement? Ditto for a display. Enlighten me on how to make a think, light compact notebook that looks nothing like a MBA. I'm assuming for the time being that most notebooks will have somewhat of a rectangular shape.

Well 1.8% isn't really "so much better" is it.

But if it was Apple you'd be swinging from the vine like Tarzan bragging about it.

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 10:41 AM
Are you saying that you would buy square tires?

What are you talking about :confused:

I'd buy the tyres based on the quality of the tread. Are you saying that if Dunlop produced some amazing new design that increased road handling by 50% you would say it was ok for other companies to copy this design?

But the tyres are round so its ok?

AppleScruff1
May 31, 2011, 10:43 AM
What are you talking about :confused:

I'd buy the tyres based on the quality of the tread. Are you saying that if Dunlop produced some amazing new design that increased road handling by 50% you would say it was ok for other companies to copy this design?

But the tyres are round so its ok?

Should other companies be allowed to produce round tires, or does Dunlop have a patent on that?

Whozown
May 31, 2011, 10:44 AM
Lol, sounds like whatever event they were at, someone was trying to rush them off. I can imagine some angry guy in a suit grimacing at them for pulling out a MBA.

blow45
May 31, 2011, 10:46 AM
talk about directly stealing a design...pathetic...

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 10:47 AM
I'm dumb and don't understand anything about design. Should the other manufacturers make their notebooks shaped more like a shoe box and put the ports on the bottom so that they don't copy Apple? Or maybe they should make it open the other way since Apple notebooks open front to back? Is it ok if the other companies have a keyboard, or would that be a copyright infringement? Ditto for a display. Enlighten me on how to make a think, light compact notebook that looks nothing like a MBA. I'm assuming for the time being that most notebooks will have somewhat of a rectangular shape.



But if it was Apple you'd be swinging from the vine like Tarzan bragging about it.

I don't really have time to explain the difference to you and i don't think it will matter.

On your second note, i don't really care about whos better than who. I'm not that type of fan. I just want whats right for me.

toddybody
May 31, 2011, 10:49 AM
I took it as a message from god (haha, coming from a non-believer!). Especially since the Genius said "Fault or not, if I exchange this one again, you're keeping it" which was pretty clear that I shouldn't exchange the product, just return it.

Ha ha! Sorry:( What did you end up going with? Dell Ultrasharp...27inch ACD?

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 10:50 AM
Should other companies be allowed to produce round tires, or does Dunlop have a patent on that?

Oh my god what is happening here!? haha

I can't believe i need to explain this.

toddybody
May 31, 2011, 10:52 AM
Oh my god what is happening here!? haha

I can't believe i need to explain this.

Sorry, what are tyres? Do they sell them at Theatres?

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 10:54 AM
Sorry, what are tyres? Do they sell them at Theatres?

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=32763,filename=spelling_police.jpg

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 10:56 AM
Sorry, what are tyres? Do they sell them at Theatres?

you should be more worried about this guy...

Originally Posted by AppleScruff1
Should other companies be allowed to produce round tires, or does Dunlop have a patent on that?

PracticalMac
May 31, 2011, 11:07 AM
That's a 1 on 1 copy of the MBA. Let's see if Apple are going to sue Asus over it...

Yeah, it looks too similar.
I you cannot tell difference at 10 foot, that is just about begging for lawsuit.

Keeps fire under Apple, though.

toddybody
May 31, 2011, 11:12 AM
you should be more worried about this guy...

Im not worried about anyone;) Nor am I correcting anyone's spelling:D

Tyre is a totally acceptable spelling of tire, as is Theatre in regards to Theater. I was having a grammar based laugh.

Wow, I have no life:o

Yo stay well dude!

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 11:15 AM
Im not worried about anyone;) Nor am I correcting anyone's spelling:D

Tyre is a totally acceptable spelling of tire, as is Theatre in regards to Theater. I was having a grammar based laugh.

Wow, I have no life:o

Yo stay well dude!

Its the only spelling of Tyre :p

But yes, i missed that gag. :o

bwillwall
May 31, 2011, 11:16 AM
Apple really needs to take there place back on the worlds thinnest notebook record. I am very surprised that they didn't with the 2nd gen MBA. It hasn't gotten much thinner since the first if I remember correctly.

Update: Sorry maybe they still do? Somebody get back to me on that?

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 11:29 AM
Apple really needs to take there place back on the worlds thinnest notebook record. I am very surprised that they didn't with the 2nd gen MBA. It hasn't gotten much thinner since the first if I remember correctly.

Whats the thinnest at the moment?

MacBook Air, this rip off and Samsungs 9 Series all claim to be 17mm :confused:

MonkeySee....
May 31, 2011, 11:32 AM
I'm dumb and don't understand anything about design. Should the other manufacturers make their notebooks shaped more like a shoe box and put the ports on the bottom so that they don't copy Apple? Or maybe they should make it open the other way since Apple notebooks open front to back? Is it ok if the other companies have a keyboard, or would that be a copyright infringement? Ditto for a display. Enlighten me on how to make a think, light compact notebook that looks nothing like a MBA. I'm assuming for the time being that most notebooks will have somewhat of a rectangular shape.



But if it was Apple you'd be swinging from the vine like Tarzan bragging about it.

I know i said i couldn't be bothered but here is an example of a caompany trying to make a thin laptop with out ripping off a design....

http://techpump101.blogspot.com/2011/01/samsung-unveils-their-series-9-takes-on.html

Ironically is Samsung :D

Hopefully this makes my point. If it doesn't i feel sorry for you. :(

BLACKFRIDAY
May 31, 2011, 12:01 PM
I know i said i couldn't be bothered but here is an example of a caompany trying to make a thin laptop with out ripping off a design....

http://techpump101.blogspot.com/2011/01/samsung-unveils-their-series-9-takes-on.html

Ironically is Samsung :D

Hopefully this makes my point. If it doesn't i feel sorry for you. :(

Sorry but that does NOT look anything like a MacBook Air.

Mattie Num Nums
May 31, 2011, 12:52 PM
It's like a one-to-one copy.

I know Jonny Shih said he wanted Asus to be the Apple of the Wintel world, but it looks like he actually meant he wanted Asus to *be* Apple. LOL

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/10/asus-wants-to-be-another-apple/

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2010/2/10&pages=PD&seq=221

Asustek chairman Jonney Shih pointed out that the company is aiming to become another Apple, but will instead adopt open-source platforms including ARM and Google combinations, and Windows/Intel to suit consumer demand.

Asustek also said that it will launch a "killer product" in June.

Point of order: you can't "adopt open-source platforms including ARM and Google combinations" and hope to be another Apple. Wrong business model. Blatant copying doesn't quite cut it, either.

Where was that Killer product in June 2010? :confused:



What about the software? That's kinda a big part of buying a Mac. :confused:

No OS X, no sale.

Get out of here. I worked at CompUSA in the early 2000's and they were using wedge shaped laptops when Apple was still making laptops out of Titanium (how's your airport signal chief?) I used to have a Sony back in the mid 2000's that was wedge shaped and was pretty loaded.

ten-oak-druid
May 31, 2011, 01:03 PM
No OS X, no sale.

Tell me about it. OS X makes it so much better. That and not having to deal with all the malware.

TheUndertow
May 31, 2011, 01:12 PM
That's cool, I had 4 Apple 24" LED ACDs before I finally just got my money back. All had problems (yellowing, dust under the glass, pixel cluster problems).

I had a CPU fan replaced on my original 2008 Macbook unibody because of a faulty bearing.

I had my iPhone 3GS replaced because the mute switch stopped working.

We all have anecdotal evidence of problems with manufacturers, it's the bigger stats from large enough samples that count and turn anecdote into statistical evidence.

Where are they getting the samples from?

What is being included....etc...etc.

IMO anecdotal evidence based on ownership of the actual product is as valid as statistics. Anyone that believes a statistics table tells the full story is apt for disappointment and misdirection.

You're talking about nitpicking a display (which I'm not trying to bash) to design, proprietary software, and hardware failure on 3 separate "premium" laptops.

My G71G-A2 was at Asus for over a month with the mobo on back order and I won't go much into my still on-going discussions with Asus to get the replacement G71G-Q fixed which fell out of a warranty after calling on Day 31 after my originally RMA was granted (after 30 days they'll reject shipping).

They are showing my warranty as 1 year shorter than it should have been originally (got to love mail in rebate warranty extensions where you cut the UPC).

I used to visit another forum with a very strong Asus presence and all I'm saying is it's not all Sunshine and Roses and actually far from it.

I'm shocked the stats show what they do and I will say I'm a skeptic by nature.

Val-kyrie
May 31, 2011, 01:21 PM
You shouldn't have done that Asus, now Apple will sue you for copying the MacBook Air!

Looks like future MacBook Pros will look similar to that as well, and the MacBook Air line will become the new MacBook, i'm guessing.
Here's to Ultrabooks, sounds ultra expensive.

According to Intel, Ultrabooks must retail for less than $1000.


Am i the only one a bit wary about the switch to 22nm/tri-gate. It seems Rev A-ish to me and thus may have issues no?

I do wonder about the reliability of this new technology, especially if Apple changes the form factor and the MBPs become Gen A on the whole. (Ivy Bridge is supposed to be the second year in the development of the Ultrabook concept.) While Haswell sounds interesting (especially with a target TDP between 10W and 20W), I would like to purchase a new laptop for video editing. The current gen MBPs seem a touch too hot for my liking (Geniuses at my local Apple store have commented that their temperatures are higher than past models) and Haswell-based systems are not expected until 2013 (too far off), so I guess I may have to wager on the Ivy Bridge-based systems.

iMacian
May 31, 2011, 05:57 PM
Wow, PC makers have lost the last bit of shame.

zephonic
May 31, 2011, 06:31 PM
very nice looking PC laptop. I like it. I am glad it coming to market, love :apple: having competition.

+1

I always liked Asus anyway. This looks like a great piece of kit. Just get rid of W7 and get Ubuntu 11 or something.

peteroyle
May 31, 2011, 06:33 PM
Ate least it looks easy to open.

Yeah, what's up with that ? the MBA commercial makes it seem so easy to open the thing with 1 hand. No one has yet managed to reproduce that on my Air, not even me (and I open it multiple times a day). The hinge is tight and so trying to open it like in the commercial results in the whole thing lifting off the table.

Sorry I was being sarcastic, referring to 2:00 which made me laugh. I didn't realise though that MBA's were also hard to open. I'll never believe anything I see on TV ever again.

AppleScruff1
May 31, 2011, 08:10 PM
I know i said i couldn't be bothered but here is an example of a caompany trying to make a thin laptop with out ripping off a design....

http://techpump101.blogspot.com/2011/01/samsung-unveils-their-series-9-takes-on.html

Ironically is Samsung :D

Hopefully this makes my point. If it doesn't i feel sorry for you. :(

And if it was silver, it would look like the MBA. What are the criteria for not copying a design? The Asus will run Windows, so there can't be any lawsuits there. The Asus will taper back to front, thick end to thin end. Clean design on all sides. Is the Samsung ok because it gives a different illusion when viewed from the side? Are all touchscreen phones copies of the iPhone since they are all rectangular?


Tell me about it. OS X makes it so much better. That and not having to deal with all the malware.

Plus without OSX there'd be no reason to be a fanboy.

MonkeySee....
Jun 1, 2011, 03:03 AM
And if it was silver, it would look like the MBA. What are the criteria for not copying a design? The Asus will run Windows, so there can't be any lawsuits there. The Asus will taper back to front, thick end to thin end. Clean design on all sides. Is the Samsung ok because it gives a different illusion when viewed from the side? Are all touchscreen phones copies of the iPhone since they are all rectangular?


Ok, I think you're on the wind up as you can't seriously post that with a straight face. :confused:

KnightWRX
Jun 1, 2011, 04:16 AM
Ha ha! Sorry:( What did you end up going with? Dell Ultrasharp...27inch ACD?

Nope, I ended up taking a few more days to think about it and just got a TN panel monitor instead of a IPS monitor, a Samsung BW2343 with 2048x1156 resolution. In the end, it was a blessing in disguise, I really had no need for a 1k$ monitor.

jnpy!$4g3cwk
Jun 1, 2011, 11:43 AM
Intel describes the ultimate evolution to these ultra-thin laptops in a 3 step process. The first systems based on their current designs should be available this winter. Meanwhile, they plan on continuing to push processor power designs in the coming years to enable even more efficient designs.



I'm certainly not against this trend for consumer and appliance laptops. I just hope everyone doesn't drop everything else. A lot of professional users will continue to want ever-faster CPUs as available, full size keyboards, more screen pixels, and maintain the current 15" and 17" screen real estate. Human fingers and eyes are not evolving rapidly enough to change this! I use both MacBooks and MBPs, including a 17" MBP with antiglare. If you want an actual desktop replacement on the go, you need something more than an ultrathin 11"-13" glossy that you can stuff in a handbag.

The problem I see looming is that everyone jumps on the ultra thin/small bandwagon and drops the larger models, even when demand remains strong, because ultralights are fashionable in the marketing department.

AidenShaw
Jun 1, 2011, 02:31 PM
I'm certainly not against this trend for consumer and appliance laptops. I just hope everyone doesn't drop everything else. A lot of professional users will continue to want ever-faster CPUs as available, full size keyboards, more screen pixels, and maintain the current 15" and 17" screen real estate. Human fingers and eyes are not evolving rapidly enough to change this! I use both MacBooks and MBPs, including a 17" MBP with antiglare. If you want an actual desktop replacement on the go, you need something more than an ultrathin 11"-13" glossy that you can stuff in a handbag.

The problem I see looming is that everyone jumps on the ultra thin/small bandwagon and drops the larger models, even when demand remains strong, because ultralights are fashionable in the marketing department.

Good points, maybe Apple will finally listen and make a "MacBook Workstation", where performance and flexibility overrule "thin and light".

They don't need to drop any current model, just add a new model with power and connectivity that a mobile video/photo/audio/design professional may need.

qzxyu
Jun 1, 2011, 08:28 PM
Think these chips will have any significant performance boosts for the iMacs as well? Or is this more of a notebook revolution?

jnpy!$4g3cwk
Jun 1, 2011, 10:06 PM
Think these chips will have any significant performance boosts for the iMacs as well? Or is this more of a notebook revolution?

Ivy Bridge? Probably. But, who knows when Apple might use them. It just depends on how the release fits in to the product cycle.

twoodcc
Jun 1, 2011, 10:20 PM
please apple update the macbook air next week!

bigwig
Jun 2, 2011, 01:03 AM
TDP improvements come primarily from die shrinks. Since Haswell will use the same 22nm process as Ivy Bridge, how does it reduce TDP by half without killing performance? Personally, I'd much rather have a big performance increase than a reduction in TDP.

Obi Wan Kenobi
Jun 16, 2011, 02:33 PM
V late contribution to this thread, and possibly a stupid question, but does having a processor chip with a lower power consumption mean that battery life will increase significantly? I'd assumed the screen and hard drive were the biggest drains on the battery.

maclaptop
Jun 16, 2011, 02:53 PM
In the mean time I expect Apple's personal computer sales will increase again in the third and fourth quarters of 2011. Given the overall personal computer market isn't doing well, Apple's market share will continue to grow.

I imagine a healthy 15-17% market share is in Apple's future sometime in the next few years.
Too bad it's not reflected in my Apple Stock.

maclaptop
Jun 16, 2011, 03:06 PM
I'm certainly not against this trend for consumer and appliance laptops. I just hope everyone doesn't drop everything else. A lot of professional users will continue to want ever-faster CPUs as available, full size keyboards, more screen pixels, and maintain the current 15" and 17" screen real estate. Human fingers and eyes are not evolving rapidly enough to change this! I use both MacBooks and MBPs, including a 17" MBP with antiglare. If you want an actual desktop replacement on the go, you need something more than an ultrathin 11"-13" glossy that you can stuff in a handbag.

The problem I see looming is that everyone jumps on the ultra thin/small bandwagon and drops the larger models, even when demand remains strong, because ultralights are fashionable in the marketing department.
I'm with you in thinking this way.

Unfortunately the biggest influence in the world is the company that pioneered appliances with sealed batteries, pentalobe screwed , "don't you dare touch that computer we just sold you" Apple.

Now with iCloud that in Apple Speak "Automagically" does everything for you, the word "choice" is being made obsolete in AppleLand.

Come with us, we have a place in the walled garden for you where no thinking is required. Stevie will tell you how to live.... :)

With all of the good work, and terrific achievements in computing that Apple has done over the years, I am fascinated that the technorati is not pushing back on the "dumbed down" Macs.

However that said, many haven't even noticed the convenient elimination of the expression "Mac OS" from Apples latest dialogs. Now it's simply OS X and before long, totally neutered and replaced with the ever fabulous money making, app seeking code called iOS.

All in the name of making sure that it's so simple "Granny Can Use It"... :eek:

KingCrimson
Jun 16, 2011, 09:46 PM
ll in the name of making sure that it's so simple "Granny Can Use It"... :eek:

Hobbyists will always have Linux.

accessoriesguy
Jul 20, 2011, 12:56 PM
now with the new macbook air out, all apple has to do is, update the macbook air more often, or lower the price some more, and they shall dominate the future laptop market.

genovelle
Jul 26, 2011, 05:28 PM
Hardly....its a thin laptop...try and find somewhere else to put those ports on something that thin. The only thing you could really say is remotely mac like is the glass trackpad, and even then there are others that had glass trackpads BEFORE Apple.

Get a grip man.

Are you nuts?!!! When he stacked them in the video the looked identical except for the color. Also, please give me one model of track pad that used glass before Apple. The reason it was created was to mimic the feel of the iPhone for gestures which other track pads still don't offer.