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MacRumors
Jun 1, 2011, 08:22 PM
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Apple has taken ownership of the domain iCloud.com. The domain was believed to have been sold (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/28/apple-purchases-icloud-com-for-4-5-million/) to Apple for a price tag of $4.5 million. Prior to today, the whois domain registration listed Xcerion as the owner.

This change in domain registration information means Apple has control of the domain and will be able to redirect it to their own site. At present, iCloud.com still points to Xcerion's own service that has been renamed to CloudMe.com.

Apple has already confirmed (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/31/steve-jobs-to-introduce-icloud-ios-5-and-mac-os-x-lion-at-wwdc-keynote/) that they will be introducing "iCloud" at WWDC next week. Apple has started trademark registrations (http://www.front.macrumors.com/2011/06/01/apple-files-for-icloud-trademark-in-europe/) for iCloud and seems to be readying for its imminent launch.



Article Link: Apple Takes Control of iCloud.com (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/01/apple-takes-control-of-icloud-com/)



GeekLawyer
Jun 1, 2011, 08:25 PM
The ducks are all lining up in a tidy row.

Consultant
Jun 1, 2011, 08:27 PM
Here's hoping that Apple iCloud will beat all the recently announced premature services.

ECUpirate44
Jun 1, 2011, 08:27 PM
What happens in 2018 when it expires?

Reach9
Jun 1, 2011, 08:28 PM
So is iCloud.com supposed to go live after WWDC? Because it keeps redirecting me to Cloudme.com, but WWDC '11 will be amazing.

neko girl
Jun 1, 2011, 08:30 PM
What happens in 2018 when it expires?
This:
http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/blogs/files/2010/03/2012-john-cusack-peet.jpg

qzxyu
Jun 1, 2011, 08:33 PM
4.5 mil?? I wish I cold predict the names of upcoming technology or products...

backinblack875
Jun 1, 2011, 08:33 PM
4.5 mil.....for a domain name.

Morod
Jun 1, 2011, 08:33 PM
I wish I had been clever enough to register iCloud.com a long time ago. :(

Apple will renew their registration for the name in 2018, I suppose. If Apple is still using that brand.

"WWDC '11 will be amazing." Indeed! :)

LouieSamman
Jun 1, 2011, 08:36 PM
I'm very excited to see how iCloud turns up.

But I am wondering if they are going to greatly enhance the MobileMe Gallery to the iCould Gallery (or whatever new name they give it) that would get me to stop using Flickr.

If they make iCould free and bring a social photo uploading such as facebook or flickr, I'll actually start using it.

LoganT
Jun 1, 2011, 08:38 PM
Out of curiosity, how do big companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc buy their domains? Is it just like the average user and they go to some place like Godaddy.com or Hover.com? I'm going to assume not.

immortalix
Jun 1, 2011, 08:39 PM
that's $4.5 million thats gonna be passed onto the consumer...

KnightWRX
Jun 1, 2011, 08:40 PM
What happens in 2018 when it expires?

What makes you think it will expire ? If you've never owned a domain name before, here is how it goes : About 90 days prior to the expiry, your registrar sends you a nice e-mail asking you to pay for additional time. You then call them/visit their website/e-mail them/use whatever other contact method to provide them payment and they simply change the expiry date to a new one.

Domains don't expire unless you let them expire by not renewing your registration with your registrar.

arn
Jun 1, 2011, 08:40 PM
Out of curiosity, how do big companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc buy their domains? Is it just like the average user and they go to some place like Godaddy.com or Hover.com? I'm going to assume not.

Apple users MarkMonitor, and is basically just another registrar. The issue is if you want a domain that someone else owns, then you have to buy it from them.

Even worse, is trying to buy a domain from a company that is actively using it. Which was the case of iCloud.com.

arn

iDisk
Jun 1, 2011, 08:42 PM
Anyone tried to call that 570-708-8780 number? I believe the endeavor media group owns it

Apple OC
Jun 1, 2011, 08:42 PM
4.5 mil.....for a domain name.

Mark Cuban sold Broadcast.com to Yahoo for 4 Billion dollars

toddybody
Jun 1, 2011, 08:43 PM
Too much non-Apple originated media + low end AT&T data plan + HDD cheaper than ever/latest and greatest comes with more space than ever = me scratching head regarding how iCloud will simplify/better my life.

I do hope though, that its good for the folks who can take advantage of the service:)

backinblack875
Jun 1, 2011, 08:43 PM
Mark Cuban sold Broadcast.com to Yahoo for 4 Billion dollars

HOLY ****!! i need to start registering domain names with "i"s in front of them guessing future apple products :D

ECUpirate44
Jun 1, 2011, 08:45 PM
What makes you think it will expire ? If you've never owned a domain name before, here is how it goes : About 90 days prior to the expiry, your registrar sends you a nice e-mail asking you to pay for additional time. You then call them/visit their website/e-mail them/use whatever other contact method to provide them payment and they simply change the expiry date to a new one.

Domains don't expire unless you let them expire by not renewing your registration with your registrar.

If you look at the pic in the OP, it says record will expire 15 Jan 2018. I figured Apple wouldn't have an issue renewing a domain name, I was just curious.

Eddyisgreat
Jun 1, 2011, 08:47 PM
Nuclear Launch Detected.

//Starcraft

toddybody
Jun 1, 2011, 08:49 PM
HOLY ****!! i need to start registering domain names with "i"s in front of them guessing future apple products :D

http://www.therichest.org/technology/worlds-most-expensive-domain-name/

Big difference between selling a company (with domain) then just a domain itself...that said, you still could bank some nice cash:) Good luck mate!

toddybody
Jun 1, 2011, 08:50 PM
Nuclear Launch Detected.

//Starcraft

"You must construct additional pylons"..."#@$*%# !!!!"


Story of my pvp life:(

KnightWRX
Jun 1, 2011, 08:52 PM
If you look at the pic in the OP, it says record will expire 15 Jan 2018. I figured Apple wouldn't have an issue renewing a domain name, I was just curious.

All domains say that. When you register a domain, you do so for X time, usually counted in years. Some registrars offer different lengths of time, based on the rules placed by the registration authority for the gTLD or ccTLD you are registering in.

In this case, the domain was registered until 2018. Hence it's expiry date. Again, before that date comes, Apple will receive a nice "domain expiry warning!" to remind them to renew the registration.

To answer someone else : Apple and all others use the "same" registrars we do, except they usually don't go for the cheap "godaddy.com" and others, they use bigger, more entreprise oriented ones like NetSol (sorry, it's NetworkSolutions these days).

backinblack875
Jun 1, 2011, 08:53 PM
http://www.therichest.org/technology/worlds-most-expensive-domain-name/

Big difference between selling a company (with domain) then just a domain itself...that said, you still could bank some nice cash:) Good luck mate!

wait so icloud the company was purchased for 4.5 mil?? or just domain?

KnightWRX
Jun 1, 2011, 08:55 PM
wait so icloud the company was purchased for 4.5 mil?? or just domain?

Just the domain. It's all described in the summary of the article. The owners of the domain, Xcerion AB simply renamed their service CloudMe.com.

arn
Jun 1, 2011, 08:58 PM
Just the domain. It's all described in the summary of the article. The owners of the domain, Xcerion AB simply renamed their service CloudMe.com.

Ya, but renaming their service was likely why it cost them $4.5 million. I mean imagine how much of a hit it would be to have to rename your business.

arn

drumrobot
Jun 1, 2011, 08:58 PM
wait so icloud the company was purchased for 4.5 mil?? or just domain?

Just the domain (unless I'm missing something).

On a side note, I decided to go to icloud.com... finally found a way to get documents onto iWork for iPad for free and sync them with other devices! (Dropdav did this as well, but it's no longer free)

backinblack875
Jun 1, 2011, 08:59 PM
Just the domain. It's all described in the summary of the article. The owners of the domain, Xcerion AB simply renamed their service CloudMe.com.

ah, thanks.

KnightWRX
Jun 1, 2011, 09:00 PM
Ya, but renaming their service was likely why it cost them $4.5 million. I mean imagine how much of a hit it would be to have to rename your business.

arn

$4.5 million is actually quite cheap when you think about it. If someone asked me to rebrand my entire operation, you can bet I'd ask for at least 2-3 years worth of revenue to help stem the confusion to my users and the bad will the whole thing could generate.

bpd115
Jun 1, 2011, 09:03 PM
Anyone tried to call that 570-708-8780 number? I believe the endeavor media group owns it

It's the Network Solutions Call Center. I used to work there when it opened. Back when it was owned by VeriSign and we weren't forced to sell you 8 things before you got off a call.

wackymacky
Jun 1, 2011, 09:30 PM
Apple should of bought cloudme.com too.

I hate the name but its a bit like iCloud + MobileMe= CloudMe.

twoodcc
Jun 1, 2011, 09:31 PM
i wonder why they decided to tell everyone about iCloud a week early?

iRobby
Jun 1, 2011, 09:44 PM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2011/06/icloudstevesandetuaw.jpg

Johnner1999
Jun 1, 2011, 10:04 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

I think $4.5 million is equivalent to a rounding error - in it's bank account.

Full of Win
Jun 1, 2011, 10:05 PM
HOLY ****!! i need to start registering domain names with "i"s in front of them guessing future apple products :D

iTrackyou.com would be a good place to start.

caspersoong
Jun 1, 2011, 10:11 PM
Okay, wondering why Apple didn't do this on the day of WWDC.

Johnner1999
Jun 1, 2011, 10:13 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

Okay, wondering why Apple didn't do this on the day of WWDC.

Ditto - something has to be up...

millerb7
Jun 1, 2011, 10:19 PM
Mark Cuban sold Broadcast.com to Yahoo for 4 Billion dollars

No, he sold the company. The highest selling "domain only" is currently sex.com at 13 million, which the article states.

AlligatorBloodz
Jun 1, 2011, 10:21 PM
This:
Image (http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/blogs/files/2010/03/2012-john-cusack-peet.jpg)

I am pretty sure that cloud of smoke is flicking off John Cusack

ArchaicRevival
Jun 1, 2011, 10:22 PM
No, he sold the company. The highest selling "domain only" is currently sex.com at 13 million, which the article states.

You actually read the entire article?

Kudos, my friend :)

strausd
Jun 1, 2011, 10:23 PM
Since this "iCloud" is rumored to allow users to store their music in the cloud and give access to your songs using your mobile device's internet connection, can we expect a web based iTunes? I can see this being extremely useful to listen to music on my work computer where I do not store my music on.

japanime
Jun 1, 2011, 10:38 PM
As a longtime Mobile Me user (I've been using the service since the free "iTools" days), I'm a bit concerned that this new iCloud service will have features (the music locker, for instance) that are only available to residents of the United States. I hope that's not the case, but the way the music and motion picture industries work, it wouldn't surprise me.

Keeping my fingers crossed that Apple has lined up worldwide rights.

RastaLulz
Jun 1, 2011, 11:01 PM
$4,500,000?!?!?!

/registers every word in the dictionary with the letter "i" infront of it

ridley182
Jun 1, 2011, 11:01 PM
This is obviously the reason why they announced iCloud so early. There's no way this would have gone unnoticed.

arn
Jun 1, 2011, 11:05 PM
Okay, wondering why Apple didn't do this on the day of WWDC.

Changing the DNS (which they haven't done yet) can take days to propagate. It's not like you can do it at the last second and expect people to be able to hit the site.

And they can't change the DNS without having ownership of the domain (which they do now).

arn

iRobby
Jun 1, 2011, 11:20 PM
As a longtime Mobile Me user (I've been using the service since the free "iTools" days), I'm a bit concerned that this new iCloud service will have features (the music locker, for instance) that are only available to residents of the United States. I hope that's not the case, but the way the music and motion picture industries work, it wouldn't surprise me.

Keeping my fingers crossed that Apple has lined up worldwide rights.

Apple Files for 'iCloud' Trademark in Europe (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1162018)

WissMAN
Jun 1, 2011, 11:27 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

I would pay $99 a year to have cloud backups and streaming movies, music and documents. Here's hoping I'm right.

(free would be better but that would quickly devalue box.com and all the others like box.)

cvaldes
Jun 1, 2011, 11:37 PM
$4,500,000?!?!?!
Yeah, the price of a 2BR/2BA in Woodside. With one carport.

AidenShaw
Jun 1, 2011, 11:42 PM
Yeah, the price of a 2BR/2BA in Woodside. With one carport.

Don't you just love Bay Area real estate?

There was a wonderful ad in the Mercury News a few years ago.
You always dreamed of owning a million dollar home.

...You just expected it to be more than 900 square feet.

cara0910
Jun 2, 2011, 12:13 AM
Got my invite to Google Music today. I really hope Apple can bring it on Monday :)

suniil
Jun 2, 2011, 01:07 AM
I've iRecital domain registered a while ago :D, on topic iCloud is better name than CloudMe

HOLY ****!! i need to start registering domain names with "i"s in front of them guessing future apple products :D

42streetsdown
Jun 2, 2011, 01:19 AM
I kinda hope the whole 'iCloud' name is misdirection and that they have a much better one in store....

SurfsUpinAus
Jun 2, 2011, 01:30 AM
you end up here:

http://www.cloudme.com/en

THX1139
Jun 2, 2011, 03:03 AM
This is the reason that we have domain squatters. People who buy up domains for cheap and have no use for them. Then when you go to register something of interest to you, they want to sell you the $6.95 domain name for thousands (or millions) of dollars.

THX1139
Jun 2, 2011, 03:04 AM
you end up here:

http://www.cloudme.com/en

If you you had read the article, you wouldn't have needed to post that.

rmwebs
Jun 2, 2011, 04:46 AM
Apple users MarkMonitor, and is basically just another registrar. The issue is if you want a domain that someone else owns, then you have to buy it from them.

Even worse, is trying to buy a domain from a company that is actively using it. Which was the case of iCloud.com.

arn

MarkMonitor is not 'just another registrar'. They specialise in registration and management for huge organisations. Their clients include Apple, Google, Yahoo, News Corp (I.E Fox, etc), E!, Time Warner, Zurich, FedEx, Epson, Nokia...

I'd like to see you try and register a domain with them ;)

This is the reason that we have domain squatters. People who buy up domains for cheap and have no use for them. Then when you go to register something of interest to you, they want to sell you the $6.95 domain name for thousands (or millions) of dollars.

Actually they are a bit more than $6.95 now as there are now yearly price hikes due to ICANN caving in to VeriSign's demands.

MacToddB
Jun 2, 2011, 05:45 AM
/registers every word in the dictionary with the letter "i" infront of it

I actually did that, around 1999. I wrote a program to check 'WHOIS' on every word in the dictionary, by itself, as well as 'i' and 'e' prefixes and also AAAA.com through ZZZZ.com.

Ended up with a nice little portfolio. Sold some already (iCIA.com, eMrs.com, ePocket.com). Still have iMyself.com (iCloud + me.com?), iGown.com, AAAB.com, AAAX.com, etc.

I wish I had been clever enough to register iCloud.com a long time ago. :(

"WWDC '11 will be amazing." Indeed! :)

I'll be there!

HOLY ****!! i need to start registering domain names with "i"s in front of them guessing future apple products :D

Probably a little late now, but you never know!

b0blndsy
Jun 2, 2011, 05:50 AM
What happens in 2018 when it expires?

Registration Renewal what else...

0815
Jun 2, 2011, 06:56 AM
Just crazy how much some companies pay for domain names ... (I think the record holder are still some XXX names)

steadysignal
Jun 2, 2011, 07:06 AM
The ducks are all lining up in a tidy row.

quack quack.

and i am not liking the price tag speculation. i want to keep MoMe, but not if the services are bundled to a costly storage locker that i can get at amazon for free/cheaper.

i hope this all works out.

millerb7
Jun 2, 2011, 08:09 AM
Just crazy how much some companies pay for domain names ... (I think the record holder are still some XXX names)

record holder is SEX.COM

millerb7
Jun 2, 2011, 08:12 AM
Changing the DNS (which they haven't done yet) can take days to propagate. It's not like you can do it at the last second and expect people to be able to hit the site.

And they can't change the DNS without having ownership of the domain (which they do now).

arn

Correct... I've seen it take up to 72 hours to propagate. Most the time it's less.. 12-18 hours

meechy
Jun 2, 2011, 08:42 AM
Whoever owned it sold it too cheap. Should have sold it for at least 10mil.

meechy
Jun 2, 2011, 08:47 AM
I actually did that, around 1999. I wrote a program to check 'WHOIS' on every word in the dictionary, by itself, as well as 'i' and 'e' prefixes and also AAAA.com through ZZZZ.com.

Ended up with a nice little portfolio. Sold some already (iCIA.com, eMrs.com, ePocket.com). Still have iMyself.com (iCloud + me.com?), iGown.com, AAAB.com, AAAX.com, etc.



I'll be there!



Probably a little late now, but you never know!

Did you manage to sell any for millions?

phpmaven
Jun 2, 2011, 09:10 AM
$4,500,000?!?!?!

/registers every word in the dictionary with the letter "i" infront of it

/tries to register every word in the dictionary with the letter "i" infront of it only to find that someone else already did that years ago.

Fixed that for ya :D

thefourthpope
Jun 2, 2011, 09:26 AM
What an amazing payday

rmwebs
Jun 2, 2011, 09:27 AM
Correct... I've seen it take up to 72 hours to propagate. Most the time it's less.. 12-18 hours

If you're on a decent ISP or use OpenDNS it shouldn't take much more than a half hour. If you're on OpenDNS just refresh it via their website.

MacToddB
Jun 2, 2011, 09:53 AM
Did you manage to sell any for millions?

A couple for six figures each. Others 4 to 5 figures.

shartypants
Jun 2, 2011, 10:31 AM
CloudMe sounds like something Apple may have acquired to go with MobileMe, I wonder if they just swapped domain names as part of this deal :) I think iCloud sounds better.

calderone
Jun 2, 2011, 10:42 AM
If you're on a decent ISP or use OpenDNS it shouldn't take much more than a half hour. If you're on OpenDNS just refresh it via their website.

Lol.

patp
Jun 2, 2011, 10:44 AM
I really hope iCloud is ready and we don't see another MobileMe fiasco.

ThunderSkunk
Jun 2, 2011, 10:44 AM
This is the reason that we have domain squatters. People who buy up domains for cheap and have no use for them. Then when you go to register something of interest to you, they want to sell you the $6.95 domain name for thousands (or millions) of dollars.

Or you can go with Namesecure.com, and find out when its time for renewal, that your domain's been bought by some company called Black Ice Domains out of Hong Kong, who will squat on it for years & offer to sell it to you for $10k+.

...and then you do some research and find that the reason they were able to buy it before you had a chance to get it, is because Black Ice Domains is a wholly owned subsidiary of Namesecure.

They're stealing their own customers domains and holding them ransom for 10x their worth.

Awesome.

eyehop
Jun 2, 2011, 11:47 AM
It's a dumb name. Only Geeks get into "the cloud". Cloud denotes murky, dreary, confusion. How about .net ;)

lifeguard
Jun 2, 2011, 12:11 PM
"WWDC '11 will be amazing." Indeed! :)

Think WWDC '11 will be fun Just wait till WWDC '18! LOL :D

SmileyBlast!
Jun 2, 2011, 12:27 PM
I wish I had been clever enough to register iCloud.com a long time ago. :(

Apple will renew their registration for the name in 2018, I suppose. If Apple is still using that brand.

"WWDC '11 will be amazing." Indeed! :)
Yes it was brilliant on their part to buy that domain.
That's the ultimate buy low and sell high experience. They must be so thrilled over at Xcerion.

fjpoblam
Jun 2, 2011, 02:08 PM
HOLY ****!! i need to start registering domain names with "i"s in front of them guessing future apple products :D

iWhat? :eek:

But, seriously, NetSol is notorious. Think of a great domain name. Do a whois through NetSol's whois. The result is, "not found". You fail to register with someone (anyone) within a few minutes. NetSol registers and sits on it for sale until the highest bidder comes along (presumably to garner some business for the overpriced registrar NetSol itself).

The lesson? Don't use NetSol's "whois". Best bet? Use yer own bat file.

MacToddB
Jun 2, 2011, 02:35 PM
iWhat? :eek:

But, seriously, NetSol is notorious. Think of a great domain name. Do a whois through NetSol's whois. The result is, "not found". You fail to register with someone (anyone) within a few minutes. NetSol registers and sits on it for sale until the highest bidder comes along (presumably to garner some business for the overpriced registrar NetSol itself).

The lesson? Don't use NetSol's "whois". Best bet? Use yer own bat file.

Better yet, use NetSol's WHOIS to check on undesirable names... and let them register them! The bank named "ClownPenis.Fart" from the old Saturday Night Live skit comes to mind. "It was the only domain left!"

b0blndsy
Jun 6, 2011, 12:09 PM
Just crazy how much some companies pay for domain names ... (I think the record holder are still some XXX names)

Its because of the fact that some domain names only can bring you thousand of visitors e.g. pizza.com, iphone.com, travel.com, health.com...

I know once one of the competitors of the company I was working registered the .info domain of your company and he managed to get some business until finally the domain was shut down legally.

Nonetheless that gave us a lesson to book all for your business i.e .com, .biz, .net, info etc.... Its also helpful in online brand building.

rick snagwell
Jun 6, 2011, 01:24 PM
icloud.com now redirect's!!

b0blndsy
Jun 6, 2011, 02:23 PM
icloud.com now redirect's!!

I thought they'll host the icloud.com separately but the are redirecting it to apple/iclouds :mad::mad: