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Jun 6, 2011, 02:40 PM
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Apple today announced (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/06/06ios.html) iOS 5, the much-anticipated major update to Apple's operating system for the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad today at the WWDC keynote event. The new major features include a completely revamped notifications system, over-the-air software updates and activation for new devices, and iTunes library syncing over Wi-Fi."iOS 5 has some great new features, such as Notification Center, iMessage and Newsstand and we can't wait to see what our developers do with its 1,500 new APIs," said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. "Perhaps iOS 5's paramount feature is that it's built to seamlessly work with iCloud in the Post PC revolution that Apple is leading."Of the many new features discussed:

• Notifications will see a major overhaul as rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/27/ios-5-to-bring-revamped-notification-system-and-widgets/) most recently by TechCrunch (http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/27/ios-widgets-and-revamped-notifications/). The new Notification Center in iOS 5 will aggregate all notifications, accessed by swiping down from the status bar at the top of the screen. New notifications will appear at the top of the screen and will be less obtrusive overall. Notifications will also be displayed on the lock screen along with weather and stock alerts. Tapping on a notification will automatically open the related app.

• iOS 5 will be "PC free" allowing new device activation and iOS updates over the air. Also, iTunes library syncing will be possible wirelessly via Wi-Fi. While an iOS device is being charged, it will automatically find the associated iTunes library and sync automatically.

• AirPlay Mirroring will also be possible to wirelessly mirror an iPad's display to a television connected to an AppleTV.

• Also as rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/03/more-claims-of-deep-twitter-integration-in-ios-5/), Twitter will be integrated into iOS and several apps including Camera, Photos, Maps, and Safari. Contacts can also be updated automatically with Twitter handles.

• As reported (http://thisismynext.com/2011/06/06/apple-ios-5-bbm-notifications-widgets-lock-screen/) by This is my next... earlier today, Apple introduced a new unified messaging service between iOS users called iMessage. iMessage will allow iOS users to send text and multimedia messages over Wi-Fi and 3G with read and delivery receipts and real-time typing indication. Messages will be pushed to all iOS devices a user owns.

• Game Center will be enhanced with profile avatars, friend recommendations, and the ability to purchase new games within Game Center.

• Mobile Safari will also get several new features including tabbed browsing and a Safari Reader feature where users can save articles for later reading in the Reading List, which will be synced across multiple iOS devices for easy access.

• A new Reminders app will offer task tracking in iOS 5 with geolocation capabilities to trigger reminders based on user location.

• Camera will get a shortcut from the lock screen for quicker access. New features include optional grid lines for better framing and on-device editing like cropping and rotating plus red-eye reduction. The volume up button can also be set to trigger the shutter.

• Mail will also see some signification changes including rich text formatting, message flagging, draggable addresses.

• Other new system-wide features include a dictionary that can be accessed by any app and keyboard enhancements to modify the on-screen keyboard.

• A new app called News Stand is also coming to the App Store with iOS 5. It will be a counterpart to iBooks (http://appshopper.com/books/ibooks) featuring newspapers and magazines and will download new issues automatically in the background.

iOS 5 will be available in the fall and will support the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, 3rd- and 4th-generation iPod touch, and iPad and iPad 2. Developers will be able to access a seed today.

Apple has posted a video describing iOS 5 here (http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/gallery.html#video-ios).

Article Link: Apple Previews iOS 5 with Notification Center, OTA Updates, Wi-Fi iTunes Syncing and More (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/06/apple-previews-ios-5-with-notification-center-ota-updates-wi-fi-itunes-syncing-and-more/)



ImNoSuperMan
Jun 6, 2011, 02:41 PM
And I thought iOS 4 was big deal for its time!

I seriously cant think of anything else I could have wanted from iOS 5 and iCloud at this point!

rorschach
Jun 6, 2011, 02:42 PM
Wireless syncing and the notifications overhaul were long overdue. I think those are the features I'm looking forward to the most.

Ygn
Jun 6, 2011, 02:45 PM
Wireless syncing and the notifications overhaul were long overdue. I think those are the features I'm looking forward to the most.

100% agree with that!

It looks really neat, looking forward to updating!

adztaylor
Jun 6, 2011, 02:46 PM
Quite like the little widgets when you pull the notification bar down. Wonder if they can be changed?

Dagless
Jun 6, 2011, 02:47 PM
Well I was quite impressed with iOS5! Even to the point that I was a little disappointed that it wasn't available today (even though there have been no rumours hinting at a nearby launch).

Toml2003
Jun 6, 2011, 02:48 PM
With all the excitement to iOS 5, which is pretty awesome. Where are we with an iPhone 5?

jared52
Jun 6, 2011, 02:48 PM
But Fall? I guess that's to coincide with the release of whatever the next iPhone will be (5 or 4S).

rhett7660
Jun 6, 2011, 02:49 PM
Wireless syncing and the notifications overhaul were long overdue. I think those are the features I'm looking forward to the most.

This was the big thing for me too. Everything else is just icing on the cake. Now lets see how they perform. I am hoping it doesn't kill the 3GS like 4.1 did in terms of performance.

RafaelT
Jun 6, 2011, 02:49 PM
These are some great features but I was really hoping for better voice integration and better maps.

Radoo
Jun 6, 2011, 02:49 PM
Apple is sleeping or something.. Nothing is available today?

Peteman100
Jun 6, 2011, 02:49 PM
Much better than I expected

Dr Kevorkian94
Jun 6, 2011, 02:49 PM
i find all there solutions to be very great. im waiting for the member center to change from the "well be back soon". also i only have an paid ios dev account , will i get lion too/ just wondering lol

and where are the better maps and custom sms tones!
maby there there but werent talked about?

Blorzoga
Jun 6, 2011, 02:49 PM
Hey Android: how ya like me now?

3N16MA
Jun 6, 2011, 02:50 PM
WWDC all about software. Love it!

ChristianJapan
Jun 6, 2011, 02:51 PM
PC (and Mac) free is really nice and will allow more people to use it ...

from iCloud I'm a bit disappointed, 30 days only for sync is not what I wished ... but hey, somewhere else to look for ...

iLog.Genius
Jun 6, 2011, 02:51 PM
For me, it's not that big of a deal if you are invested in the Apple eco-system, these things were bound to come out sooner or later. I think the biggest announcement was the introduction of iMessage because this potentially changes the smartphone space, specifically how damaging this could be to RIM. If you didn't think RIM could recover previous to the announcement, you know have reason to believe that they won't. With Windows Phone not doing too well and RIM at a standstill, it really has become a race between Google and Apple.

alent1234
Jun 6, 2011, 02:51 PM
unless you're 100% apple fanboy wwdc was a big yawn this year

some cool little improvements but nothing spectacular

iggypod
Jun 6, 2011, 02:53 PM
Wow. That was fun. I can not wait for iOS 5. I loved notifications and iMessaging.

Fall seems so far. Le sigh.

markdj
Jun 6, 2011, 02:53 PM
How does the new newsstand app affect those of us who get magazines and newspapers through existing newsstand apps such as Zinio and PressReader. Will any of these subscriptions move over to the new app? Will the new app put these other apps out of business?

rovex
Jun 6, 2011, 02:53 PM
No improvements to the mundane Youtube app on iphone/ipad, and none on the email app, not good.

roland.g
Jun 6, 2011, 02:53 PM
Nothing is out today because it is WWDC. As in Developers. They need time to get up to speed. And Apple needed to preview and still bug out stuff. I like the wireless syncing and some of the other features. Was hoping for more of a UI change. But the notifications is nice.

+1 on the volume button camera shutter.

patohi
Jun 6, 2011, 02:53 PM
Dammit!!!!!!! Some of the apps you can try in beta!!!! BUT!!!! not on the verizon iphone!!!!!! WTF Steve/Apple!!!!! Get 4.3 on verizon already!!!

Toml2003
Jun 6, 2011, 02:54 PM
iOS 5 not out until Fall because they will wait until an iPhone 5 announcement.

iggypod
Jun 6, 2011, 02:55 PM
Quite like the little widgets when you pull the notification bar down. Wonder if they can be changed?

I wondered that too and also if notifications will have a clear all option like android does? I sure hope so.

theheadguy
Jun 6, 2011, 02:55 PM
For me, it's not that big of a deal if you are invested in the Apple eco-system, these things were bound to come out sooner or later. I think the biggest announcement was the introduction of iMessage because this potentially changes the smartphone space, specifically how damaging this could be to RIM. If you didn't think RIM could recover previous to the announcement, you know have reason to believe that they won't. With Windows Phone not doing too well and RIM at a standstill, it really has become a race between Google and Apple.
Agreed with the exception of being so iMessage specific. I think this really puts the hurt on RIM and Palm/HP now. Today's announcement shows who the big players are going to be...

Anyone else disappointed that we won't be getting these things until Fall????!

Aviboy97
Jun 6, 2011, 02:56 PM
I guess my recent purchase of "WhatsApp" was a waste of money

bushido
Jun 6, 2011, 02:56 PM
and apple dares to sue samsung???
lets see ...

iMessage
http://i53.tinypic.com/ruz5w2.png

Notification Center
http://i52.tinypic.com/se2bg2.png

Lockscreen

http://i53.tinypic.com/29d8osn.png

Volume Up To Take Picture
... now we know why the app got banned from the appstore ;)

there's more i cant think of right now

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http://i54.tinypic.com/2pshbg5.png

seven2k7
Jun 6, 2011, 02:57 PM
Hey Android: how ya like me now?

Really...is that what you are going with?

caliguy
Jun 6, 2011, 02:57 PM
If Maps truly isn't changing at all (the only thing I noticed was "alternate routes"), that's pretty pathetic. It's been virtually the same for 5 years!!

Alex Hobbs
Jun 6, 2011, 02:58 PM
and apple dares to sue samsung???
lets see ...

Notification Center
Image (http://i52.tinypic.com/se2bg2.png)


Google can't sue and have no grounds to - Android is open source, so Apple can do what they wish.

cav23j
Jun 6, 2011, 02:58 PM
No improvements to the mundane Youtube app on iphone/ipad, and none on the email app, not good.

there is improvements to the email app

check apple's website

Rodimus Prime
Jun 6, 2011, 02:58 PM
For me, it's not that big of a deal if you are invested in the Apple eco-system, these things were bound to come out sooner or later. I think the biggest announcement was the introduction of iMessage because this potentially changes the smartphone space, specifically how damaging this could be to RIM. If you didn't think RIM could recover previous to the announcement, you know have reason to believe that they won't. With Windows Phone not doing too well and RIM at a standstill, it really has become a race between Google and Apple.

honestly I do not see iMessaging really doing to much damage to RIM so to speak because if you go over to iOS you still loss all your BBM contacts so that still there.

3rd party ones people jumped ship to will be the big thing because they still bridge the gap.
iMessaging will have the same problems as BBM did and that is no way to link up to other OS's.
Rumor mill does have RIM letting other OS hook into a more limited format of BBM. Mostly missing out on the file transfer side of it and being text only.

seven2k7
Jun 6, 2011, 02:59 PM
and apple dares to sue samsung???
lets see ...

iMessage
Image (http://i53.tinypic.com/ruz5w2.png)

Notification Center
Image (http://i52.tinypic.com/se2bg2.png)

Lockscreen

Image (http://i53.tinypic.com/29d8osn.png)

Volume Up To Take Picture
... now we know why the app got banned from the appstore ;)

there's more i cant think of right now

=

Image (http://i54.tinypic.com/2pshbg5.png)

Took the words right out my mouth.

alhedges
Jun 6, 2011, 02:59 PM
I hope we can get rid of the stock ticker on the lock screen. I don't need to check my portfolio every time I look at my phone.

Lee-K
Jun 6, 2011, 02:59 PM
Considering that this isn't coming out till fall, what are the chances that anything substantial will be added?

Hurmoth
Jun 6, 2011, 02:59 PM
Apple is sleeping or something.. Nothing is available today?
My thoughts exactly. iOS 5 looks amazing, iCloud sounds amazing and Lion is okay (nothing really exciting there IMO). But not a single thing available today? This week, nothing? Fall?! Seriously?

chrmjenkins
Jun 6, 2011, 03:00 PM
Notifcations and Wireless syncing are definitely the most welcome. I'm disappointed the location aware feature of reminders isn't pushed further. I'd love for my phone to know when I'm at work and go to vibrate accordingly.

kwiiboy
Jun 6, 2011, 03:00 PM
When it comes out, how much will it cost?

Rodimus Prime
Jun 6, 2011, 03:00 PM
Google can't sue and have no grounds to - Android is open source, so Apple can do what they wish.

open source does not mean you can steal the lay out. It comes with its own rules and requirements and Apple could easily be violating those.

MacVault
Jun 6, 2011, 03:01 PM
Just one question about Mail -- Will I finally be able to set a mail account to send from an address other then the address on the account? I use gmail for my work mail. Currently recipients see my address as me@gmail.com but I want them to instead see me@mycompany.com. This is not currently possible.

RRmalvado
Jun 6, 2011, 03:01 PM
When it comes out, how much will it cost?

iOS upgrades have traditionally been free for iPhones and version 3 and 4 (someone correct me if I'm wrong on 3) were free for iPod Touches

The only indication we got of a release date was in the Fall.

shuffle1
Jun 6, 2011, 03:03 PM
I guess my recent purchase of "WhatsApp" was a waste of money

Well, "WhatsApp" IS available on all the other devices, so it's still handy to have around...

Sackvillenb
Jun 6, 2011, 03:05 PM
Man am I happy about wifi syncing!!!!! And most of the other features seem handy too...

I know I mention this a lot, but I would like to know if this changes the number of of computers you can sync your ios device to... because I would love to be able to sync them to more than one computer...

iEvolution
Jun 6, 2011, 03:06 PM
I just love how they announced all this stuff 4 months before it is actually avaliable.

rick98761
Jun 6, 2011, 03:06 PM
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So how does this iMessages thing work. I assume it replaces the current messages app. How will it work with basic texting? Will you have to specifiy if it is a regular text/mms or a message? Or will it automatically figure out if your contact has an iPhone?

Benjamindaines
Jun 6, 2011, 03:06 PM
Hopefully iOS 5 won't do to the 3GS what iOS 4 did to the 3G.

Day48
Jun 6, 2011, 03:06 PM
iMessages is awesome for me! That has sold me an iPad. I was wanting to get one or the other (iPhone, iPad) but with the ability to be able to do everything the iPhone can, but on a much bigger screen. SOLD! I will just have a feature phone to make calls on! Awesome! I know this is a weird thing to be happy about, but its awesome!

iLog.Genius
Jun 6, 2011, 03:08 PM
honestly I do not see iMessaging really doing to much damage to RIM so to speak because if you go over to iOS you still loss all your BBM contacts so that still there.

3rd party ones people jumped ship to will be the big thing because they still bridge the gap.
iMessaging will have the same problems as BBM did and that is no way to link up to other OS's.
Rumor mill does have RIM letting other OS hook into a more limited format of BBM. Mostly missing out on the file transfer side of it and being text only.

You're probably right and I don't mean iMessage will be huge as an app, instead it will be huge just because it really is the final addition to those on BlackBerry's that haven't already left for an iPhone. RIM has nothing really to market other than physical keyboard and security and those two are hardly anything significant in selling a device with the latter not really applicable to the average consumer.

chrmjenkins
Jun 6, 2011, 03:11 PM
Apple previews software releases. They debut hardware products. There's always months between them showing a software product and its debut, whereas hardware can come out as soon as that day.

It just seems odd this time because there's no hardware to announce and thus, nothing available immediately.

Worf
Jun 6, 2011, 03:11 PM
I just love how they announced all this stuff 4 months before it is actually avaliable.

And what do you want them to do? Release a beta product to users that expect consistency and fluidity? This isn't an Android update ;) Also I doubt it will take 4 months to come, it is plausible enough for it to arrive before the September event and new iPhone 4S & iPod touches.

Granted, last year they did release iOS 4 Late June. So the wait will be longer this time.

viniciusjarina
Jun 6, 2011, 03:12 PM
http://david.ashman.com/lockinfo/LockInfo1.png

iOS5 Notification is just a copy of David Ashman LockInfo.

:eek:

srxtr
Jun 6, 2011, 03:13 PM
No mention of a map update. Did I miss it?

scelzifan
Jun 6, 2011, 03:14 PM
What do you mean? They pretty much copied android!! Everything is ios 5 is already in android's operating system. I think apple made them selves look foolish today!Hey Android: how ya like me now?

Alex Hobbs
Jun 6, 2011, 03:14 PM
Image (http://david.ashman.com/lockinfo/LockInfo1.png)

iOS5 Notification is just a copy of David Ashman LockInfo.

:eek:

Come on.. where else did you expect them to put it on the lock screen?

Rodimus Prime
Jun 6, 2011, 03:14 PM
You're probably right and I don't mean iMessage will be huge as an app, instead it will be huge just because it really is the final addition to those on BlackBerry's that haven't already left for an iPhone. RIM has nothing really to market other than physical keyboard and security and those two are hardly anything significant in selling a device with the latter not really applicable to the average consumer.

Well as a communcation tool (email and text messaging ) Blackberry is the best hands down. iOS email is by far the worse of the ones I use (WM, Blackberry, Android and iOS)

The hardware keyboard is just a lot nicer for longer messages. If you talk with people who have switch you will find they write less emails now on their phone and when they do they are shorter. Touch screen is just not as nice as the physical keyboard.
The loss of the physical keyboard is the biggest thing I miss about my blackberry. That keyboard was great. The email side of the blackberry was really nice as well and beat Android.
Now for surfing the web well blackberry OS 5.0 and down just sucks. I am not sure how good OS 6 and 7 are as I have never tried those out.

smiddlehurst
Jun 6, 2011, 03:14 PM
But Fall? I guess that's to coincide with the release of whatever the next iPhone will be (5 or 4S).

Gotta give the devs time to a) properly test the OS, b) start making use of those new features and c) perhaps most importantly check nothing breaks in their apps.

unless you're 100% apple fanboy wwdc was a big yawn this year

some cool little improvements but nothing spectacular

I'm sorry but that's nonsense. Apple chucked out three major features today that will all be available within a few months and which are potential game changers:

1) iMessage goes right at the heart of RIM and, if it works as advertised, WILL get Blackberry users transitioning to iPhone. It also adds built-in messaging for iPod Touches adding another major value-add for Apple to what's already a very nice product.

2) iCloud looks to be cloud services done properly. Again we'll have to wait and see how it works in practice but based on what we've seen Apple are far ahead of any other OS manufacturer. Geeks seem to forget that it's not about the functionality itself, it's about making it simple to use and getting everyone on-board. iCloud seems to have a real shot at doing that and solves a lot of existing problems.

3) Finally the big one, PC Free. The iPad just became a standalone computer at least a year ahead of Windows 8 hitting the market and with a vastly superior ecosystem and sync service for both media and data than anything else out there. It was already a huge hit, this is only going to increase its potential reach. Same goes for the iPhone and iPod Touch as well.

I'd also add Lion to that list, partially because there's a lot of very nice looking updates in there, partialy because of iCloud but mainly because of its delivery mechanism and price. OS updates through the App Store? Yes, some won't be happy about that but it's going to be fascinating to see how quickly the transition from Snow Leopard happens. Microsoft will be watching that one VERY carefully...

oldwatery
Jun 6, 2011, 03:15 PM
"...the post PC revolution"
About says it all :(

Dr Kevorkian94
Jun 6, 2011, 03:16 PM
ahh the dev site is still saying "well be back soon"!!! :mad:

Yvan256
Jun 6, 2011, 03:16 PM
Finally, people with no computer experience will be able to get an iPad and use that as their only computer! :cool:

Now if only they could do the same with the :apple:TV... it's basically a screen-less iPod touch. Connect to your HDTV, use wireless keyboard and mouse... 99$* Apple computer for your living room.

* keyboard and mouse sold separately. :D

unlinked
Jun 6, 2011, 03:17 PM
Google can't sue and have no grounds to - Android is open source, so Apple can do what they wish.

Funny you should mention that.

"Next is Safari. Safari is the best mobile web browser out there. It's also the most popular. We took Apple's Safari engine and open sourced it... it's the basis of web browsing on Android"

When he says they took the safari engine and open sourced it he means they took the khtml engine (already open source) , made modifications and were obliged by its license to release them open source.

mattburles
Jun 6, 2011, 03:17 PM
I take it verizon iPhone users will be able to update to iOS 5 in the fall too?

vettori
Jun 6, 2011, 03:18 PM
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Will the new features and built-in apps raise appetite for powerful apps or simply fulfill most users needs and put some devs out of business?
I hope the first one ;)

unlinked
Jun 6, 2011, 03:19 PM
Apart from stealing Android notifications did they do widgets?

They had to leave something to invent in iOS 6.

Alex Hobbs
Jun 6, 2011, 03:20 PM
Funny you should mention that.

"Next is Safari. Safari is the best mobile web browser out there. It's also the most popular. We took Apple's Safari engine and open sourced it... it's the basis of web browsing on Android"

When he says they took the safari engine and open sourced it he means they took the khtml engine (already open source) , made modifications and were obliged by its license to release them open source.

I understand that, but Apple aren't trying to sue Google because of Safari are they? Just as Google won't with the notification system.

Anyway, why are people so up in arms about Apple copying Android - competition is good for both OS's, Android takes the best from iPhone and over the past few years has added some really cool stuff - Apple is just doing the same now, why the uproar?

chris200x9
Jun 6, 2011, 03:20 PM
>iOS

Hory sheet we have android features!

>iCloud

Hory sheet we have amazon cloud storage and google music features!

>Lion

Hory sheet we have a repository!

:apple: always innovative :rolleyes:

viniciusjarina
Jun 6, 2011, 03:21 PM
Come on.. where else did you expect them to put it on the lock screen?

Yes, but David Ashman should be rewarded. Or hired ;).

chrmjenkins
Jun 6, 2011, 03:21 PM
Apart from stealing Android notifications did they do widgets?

Actually, what they stole more closely resembles MobileNotifier, and that's the developer they hired. The notification popup is closer to WebOS, except at the top as opposed to the bottom. As for the "shade" like effect, it was the only thing they could do given their UI exists as it does now.

They have no widgets to speak of, although people seem to be talking about the interactive notifications on the lock screen and notification center as being widgets simply because you can swipe to go to them.

jonnysods
Jun 6, 2011, 03:21 PM
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Lockscreen notifications! I started to tear up when they announced it...

shk718
Jun 6, 2011, 03:22 PM
this update is HUGE - it fills in all of the android / BB gaps and adds quite a few features they don't have. 1 big thing no one is talking about is AirPlay Mirroring. this is the first step in turning the iphone/ipad into a wii/xbox replacement. depending on how much control they give the game developers this could be huge.

adityashah1989
Jun 6, 2011, 03:25 PM
Two best features for me definitely have to be notifications and iMessage. I can't think of anything more that I could have asked off iOS 5. Personally I am incredibly satisfied, best features of Android & Blackberry now on iOS. Love it.

You guys think any features you wanted were missed? Would love to know.

MrMoore
Jun 6, 2011, 03:25 PM
With the new notification system, I might not need LockInfo anymore. Will have to see. I probably wait until the next iPhone is released for iOS5. I am not sure how well this will run on my old 3GS.

Nishi100
Jun 6, 2011, 03:26 PM
iOS 5 is absolutely amazing; but I still need my jailbreak, for widgets.

slu
Jun 6, 2011, 03:26 PM
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I was quite happy with today's annocements. I would probably use all of these featured if I didn't want to change from my gmail address.

One of the small things I am looking forward to is AirPlay mirroring. Combined with the slingbox app will make an appletv that much more useful.

nooaah
Jun 6, 2011, 03:27 PM
Just one question about Mail -- Will I finally be able to set a mail account to send from an address other then the address on the account? I use gmail for my work mail. Currently recipients see my address as me@gmail.com but I want them to instead see me@mycompany.com. This is not currently possible.
I'm confused. Do you actually have a mycompany.com email address?

bushido
Jun 6, 2011, 03:28 PM
iMessages is awesome for me! That has sold me an iPad. I was wanting to get one or the other (iPhone, iPad) but with the ability to be able to do everything the iPhone can, but on a much bigger screen. SOLD! I will just have a feature phone to make calls on! Awesome! I know this is a weird thing to be happy about, but its awesome!

are u kidding me? "iMessages" sold u an iPad??? dude u were able to do exactly the same thing for 2 years now with something called "WhatsApp" which u can even use to text ppl with nokia, blackberry & android phones

... some ppl

Žalgiris
Jun 6, 2011, 03:29 PM
Since i live on this lower plane of existence known as reality i was blown away by the WWDC keynote. So much for free. Ah well some morons will whine even now.

Risco
Jun 6, 2011, 03:29 PM
For the first time in a long time I am completely underwhelmed by Apple's announcements. Sure they fixed notifications, but what about the crappy stock apps, no live icons for weather, missing voice navigation and no updated maps or youtube.

The only thing that sorta interests me is notifications.

wikus
Jun 6, 2011, 03:31 PM
and apple dares to sue samsung???
lets see ...

iMessage
Image (http://i53.tinypic.com/ruz5w2.png)

Notification Center
Image (http://i52.tinypic.com/se2bg2.png)

Lockscreen

Image (http://i53.tinypic.com/29d8osn.png)

Volume Up To Take Picture
... now we know why the app got banned from the appstore ;)

there's more i cant think of right now

=

Image (http://i54.tinypic.com/2pshbg5.png)

Boom.

wikus
Jun 6, 2011, 03:31 PM
For the first time in a long time I am completely underwhelmed by Apple's announcements. Sure they fixed notifications, but what about the crappy stock apps, no live icons for weather, missing voice navigation and no updated maps or youtube.

The only thing that sorta interests me is notifications.

Sounds like you want an Android phone.

MacVault
Jun 6, 2011, 03:37 PM
I'm confused. Do you actually have a mycompany.com email address?

Ok, so, my company is too cheap (so far) to move from a POP3 server at a local ISP to a modern email system. So, I forward my company email account to a gmail account so that I benefit from the marvelous syncing features of IMAP. In the GMail web client, it allows me to "Send mail as..." another email address, such as me@mycompanydomain.com. This way the recipient has no clue (unless maybe they look at the headers) that I am sending from a gmail account, so it looks perfectly professional.

Currently I have to use the gmail web client on my iPhone / iPad to accomplish this. If I send from the built-in Mail app the recipient sees my gmail account address which I do not want them to see. I hope this new Mail app fixes this.

cmaier
Jun 6, 2011, 03:37 PM
No improvements to the mundane Youtube app on iphone/ipad, and none on the email app, not good.

yes there are improvements to the email app.


Just one question about Mail -- Will I finally be able to set a mail account to send from an address other then the address on the account? I use gmail for my work mail. Currently recipients see my address as me@gmail.com but I want them to instead see me@mycompany.com. This is not currently possible.

You can already do this now. I do it.

adityashah1989
Jun 6, 2011, 03:37 PM
For the first time in a long time I am completely underwhelmed by Apple's announcements. Sure they fixed notifications, but what about the crappy stock apps, no live icons for weather, missing voice navigation and no updated maps or youtube.

The only thing that sorta interests me is notifications.

You will never be happy.

theBigD23
Jun 6, 2011, 03:37 PM
I really liked the announcements today. I was hoping for Maps to be updated though. Android's map, obviously, is much better and I was hoping that the new contract Apple signed included free navigation and some of the other features it has.

This is a small thing and may be updated in the 200+ part, but YouTube, not being able to sort by Views, for example, if frustrating.

I was also hoping for multiple signatures in Mail.

baryon
Jun 6, 2011, 03:41 PM
So now you can sync your iPhone wirelessly to your Mac! Only if you plug it into power. How the f is that wireless? It's the SAME THING as before!

My iPod Touch's battery lasts weeks, I don't want to have to charge it each time I want to sync! Can't it just sync when I add new stuff to my library?

Why does it have to be plugged in to power to sync? What's the point? Most people use USB to charge anyway, so it makes NO difference!

bpeeps
Jun 6, 2011, 03:42 PM
Hopefully iOS 5 won't do to the 3GS what iOS 4 did to the 3G.

+1

I am still paying the price on that one. Stupid maps.app!

bushido
Jun 6, 2011, 03:46 PM
totally random, did anyone notice that the iPhone they used in the Keynote had a "Music" icon instead of the "iPod" and yes it was an iPhone cuz they showed AT&T 3G

MattG
Jun 6, 2011, 03:47 PM
>iOS

Hory sheet we have android features!

>iCloud

Hory sheet we have amazon cloud storage and google music features!

>Lion

Hory sheet we have a repository!

:apple: always innovative :rolleyes:

Hopefully you're just joking...you're not actually comparing Amazon Cloud Storage to iCloud are you? Their system for having your music in the cloud is already archaic after today's announcements. The two don't even compare.

Day48
Jun 6, 2011, 03:48 PM
are u kidding me? "iMessages" sold u an iPad??? dude u were able to do exactly the same thing for 2 years now with something called "WhatsApp" which u can even use to text ppl with nokia, blackberry & android phones

... some ppl


Yeah, having to pick either iPad or iPhone...Yes, they sold me an iPad over an iPhone. Why pay for the data package twice (iPad and iPhone) when all I am missing out is for the actual talk minutes. Plus, that is free texting, which you pay $20 a month for!

jeremiah256
Jun 6, 2011, 03:48 PM
this update is HUGE - it fills in all of the android / BB gaps and adds quite a few features they don't have. 1 big thing no one is talking about is AirPlay Mirroring. this is the first step in turning the iphone/ipad into a wii/xbox replacement. depending on how much control they give the game developers this could be huge.

Especially with P2P games...watch out! Blizzard - hope you make a iOS version of Diablo III or the clones will steal some of you're customers.

codo
Jun 6, 2011, 03:50 PM
I'm a big fan of iMesssages - The BBM crowd can finally shut up and get on on the iTrain!

Also like the new notifications - looking forward to downloading it in the autumn.

So glad its going to work on my 3GS - I'm totally going to hold out until the next iPhone!

reden
Jun 6, 2011, 03:51 PM
No improvements to the mundane Youtube app on iphone/ipad, and none on the email app, not good.

What do you want? Please, enlighten us.

MacVault
Jun 6, 2011, 03:51 PM
iMessage works only between iOS devices? :(

KylePowers
Jun 6, 2011, 03:51 PM
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I guess since we all had a good idea of what to expect, most of us were relatively underwhelmed (which is different than being disappointed). My opinions:

iMessages: I'm not too familiar with BBM, so this doesn't this seem like such a big deal (until I use it it, I guess). I like the idea of being able to send messages over wi-fi though... And also via my iPad.

Notifications: Pretty much what I expected (how many other options are there?). Seems like it'll do.

My biggest gripes:
This relates to both iMessages and Notifications- There doesn't seem to exist any sort of quick reply option (or at least I didnt see it demoed). Im talking about BiteSMS stuff, a complete revolution for frequent texters. I'm wholeheartedly surprised we didn't see something similar.

I would have liked to see Maps turned into a free voice guided gps... But I guess MapQuest's app will do.

I was hoping they'd change up the layout a little... Not too sure what else could be done (aside from adding widgets), but I was just expecting something entirely new and innovative. Not that big of a deal though I guess.

And on a personal level, as an iPad owner... And in regards to how it's advertised; that is, filling the void between the phone and the computer... I was hoping for an iPad version of iOS 5 that would take the functionality of Lion infused with the simplicity and mobility of iOS. I love my iPad, I really do, but everything I can do on it, I can do on my iPhone 4.

Nevertheless, I'll be impatiently awaiting the next iPhone... As well as iOS 5... And moreso, the first iOS 5 jailbreak.

Mystikal
Jun 6, 2011, 03:52 PM
So now you can sync your iPhone wirelessly to your Mac! Only if you plug it into power. How the f is that wireless? It's the SAME THING as before!

My iPod Touch's battery lasts weeks, I don't want to have to charge it each time I want to sync! Can't it just sync when I add new stuff to my library?

Why does it have to be plugged in to power to sync? What's the point? Most people use USB to charge anyway, so it makes NO difference!

It makes a difference if you only have a desktop and dont sleep next to it at night.

milo
Jun 6, 2011, 03:52 PM
I just love how they announced all this stuff 4 months before it is actually avaliable.

This is a developer conference. Since devs have to write apps for the new OS (both iOS and OSX) they HAVE to make announcements months before they ship so that devs can develop on betas of the new OS.

Or would you prefer if they announced and shipped in the same day, and none of your apps were compatible?


So now you can sync your iPhone wirelessly to your Mac! Only if you plug it into power. How the f is that wireless? It's the SAME THING as before!

Not at all. Before, I'd have to plug the iPad into the computer, now I can leave my computer downstairs and plug the iPad into a charger anywhere in the house. That's huge for me, I have a computer upstairs that potentially can go away now.

Sure, it would be good if it could sync at any time or be told to sync manually, but that's something they can add easily (assuming they're not planning to include the functionality already).

Risco
Jun 6, 2011, 03:53 PM
Sounds like you want an Android phone.

Nope, not at all. I don't want a phone that last barely a day and having to rely on task managers.

You will never be happy.

That's funny because I have been happy about every update so far. In fact OSX Lion has now convinced me to get a MBP. However, there is so much more that could be done with IOS 5. With the lack of a new iPhone IOS5 had to be something very special. Apart from the cloud thing and notifications, it is a very sub par release.

eoblaed
Jun 6, 2011, 03:53 PM
PC (and Mac) free is really nice and will allow more people to use it ...

from iCloud I'm a bit disappointed, 30 days only for sync is not what I wished ... but hey, somewhere else to look for ...

The 30 days only applies to the photo stream. Everything else is persistent.

bushido
Jun 6, 2011, 03:53 PM
Plus, that is free texting, which you pay $20 a month for!

no, i dont. "What'sApp" lets me text for free on my iPhone to other iDevices as well as Nokia, Blackberrys and Android

iMessage works only between iOS devices? :(

just get WhatsApp ... it doesnt even cost money in the appstore O.o

Jamie0003
Jun 6, 2011, 03:54 PM
Can someone confirm if all these new features will work on an iPhone 3GS? If so, is it buggy? If it does work and isn't too buggy this will make my day :)

Day48
Jun 6, 2011, 03:55 PM
no, i dont. "What'sApp" lets me text for free on my iPhone to other iDevices as well as Nokia, Blackberrys and Android



just get WhatsApp ... it doesnt even cost money in the appstore O.o

Well thats cool then...I'll have to check it out

iDemiurge
Jun 6, 2011, 03:55 PM
Wireless sync will be more than welcome. I also thought the split keyboard thing was kinda neat. Can't wait to upgrade. I hope they don't push it to the end of fall, cause that's December...

shk718
Jun 6, 2011, 03:57 PM
Can someone confirm if all these new features will work on an iPhone 3GS? If so, is it buggy? If it does work and isn't too buggy this will make my day :)


yes: http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/features.html#notification see bottom of page

shk718
Jun 6, 2011, 03:59 PM
anyone notice that the toggle switches look very web os'ish for notifications:

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/features.html#notification

eoblaed
Jun 6, 2011, 03:59 PM
No mention of a map update. Did I miss it?

Keep in mind, they only covered 10 of the key updates, there are tons of updates that weren't explicitly covered in the keynote.

crispy12
Jun 6, 2011, 04:01 PM
I was looking forward to a file management center or a central documents folder on iOS. Nothing like that here except icloud... Wish I bought the 3G iPad now.

Quite disappointed, mostly meh upgrades nothing that really says Wow! Really, really need to get iOS 5.

AZREOSpecialist
Jun 6, 2011, 04:02 PM
Apple is sleeping or something.. Nothing is available today?

In case you forgot, this was the World Wide DEVELOPER'S Conference. Not the World Wide Consumer Conference. That means this is strictly for developers to give them a glimpse into what's coming, release the SDKs so developers can all get on board PRIOR to the launch of the new iOS 5.

Have you been asleep?

ggibson913
Jun 6, 2011, 04:03 PM
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I agree. It seems that Apple is now following Android in the phone area. Notificatioms is pretty much an outright copy of what android already does. Apple still owns the tablet but I think they better wow folks soon or they can find themselves falling behind with marketshare. Keynote didn't have past years wow factor for me. Cloud is ok but nothing available til fall stinks.

chrono1081
Jun 6, 2011, 04:03 PM
I wish the dev site would come back up so I can see if the game I am working on is broke on iOS 5 or not :p

MacFever
Jun 6, 2011, 04:04 PM
one thing I haven't seen in this WWDC presentation of IOS 5 is the ability to switch between apps seemlessly without the use of the home button...

kind of like Mission control on the iPad or Expose....

it would make moving between apps faster......this is the biggest thing I was hoping to see.

Hopefully it will be in the final release of iOS5....

MacAddict1978
Jun 6, 2011, 04:04 PM
How does the new newsstand app affect those of us who get magazines and newspapers through existing newsstand apps such as Zinio and PressReader. Will any of these subscriptions move over to the new app? Will the new app put these other apps out of business?

you kind of answered yourself I think. If you didn't buy a subscription from the app store, then why would the app store update subscriptions you bought from somewhere else in their app? That would me like expecting to find your Gmail inside your AOL mail box kind of or apple happily syncing your Kindle purchases with iBooks.

parapup
Jun 6, 2011, 04:05 PM
They spared the renaming of iOS5 to Android but otherwise this release has Android watermarked all over it.

Which isn't a bad thing as now everyone can enjoy a real powerful mobile OS and who knows I might finally get the iPad :cool:

MacAddict1978
Jun 6, 2011, 04:08 PM
If Maps truly isn't changing at all (the only thing I noticed was "alternate routes"), that's pretty pathetic. It's been virtually the same for 5 years!!

Really. Apple will need to re-hype IOS5 with the iPhone 5 launch. We saw the heavy changes to IOS, but what we didn't see was a play by play on Apps really except Safari (and things that relate more to developers, not consumers).

I expect we will see more come fall. This was more to let developers begin the cycle of app updates with the new APIs.

TheNewDude
Jun 6, 2011, 04:12 PM
I can't believe they still don't allow motion backgrounds or themes.

I love my iPhone but i really hope Apple throws some cool carrots to us. Every iPhone looks exactly the same. We are all individuals. Please let us change something more than just the background!

TheOrioles33
Jun 6, 2011, 04:20 PM
Google can't sue and have no grounds to - Android is open source, so Apple can do what they wish.

No kidding! Besides, theres only so many ways to invoke something on a touch screen. Its hard not to copy or be similar these days.

Madmic23
Jun 6, 2011, 04:20 PM
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I'm pretty excited about the iMessage service. I know it sounds pretty mundane, but it's essentially BBM for iPhone. BBM is the most useful app on a Blackberry for most users. This could really help draw people away from their Crackberry's as long as they're friends are also making the switch.

eoblaed
Jun 6, 2011, 04:22 PM
>iOS

Hory sheet we have android features!

Done better.

>iCloud

Hory sheet we have amazon cloud storage and google music features!

Done way, way, way better. I'm sorry, there is no comparison to what we just saw today and 'google music features' coupled with amazon cloud storage.

Automatic and persistent document state/versioning across all devices simultaneously? Easy APIs for developers to utilize that same functionality in arbitrary apps? Seamless integration of cloud storage services with background upstream/downstream IO keeping everything tightly woven and ready to use at your fingertips regardless of which device you pick up? A couple of disparate, single-track utilities with no system-wide integration, no instant built-in utility, no cohesive, holistic approach to solving instant data sharing and synchronization do not a consumer solution make.

Comparing the iCloud implementation and its built-in integration with all iOS/Mac devices/software/applications to 'amazon cloud + google music' is like comparing a Mercedes-Benz to a 'little-red-wagon + leaf-blower motor'.

>Lion

Hory sheet we have a repository!

I think you watched a different keynote than I did.

nostaws
Jun 6, 2011, 04:25 PM
Apple is sleeping or something.. Nothing is available today?

It is called a "developers conference." They announce this stuff to developers so that they can start developing, so that when 5 is released there are apps that can use the new features.

ryaxnb
Jun 6, 2011, 04:25 PM
Just a little piece by piece breakdown of the new features and how they compare to Android and WebOS and WP7 Mango.

• Notifications will see a major overhaul as rumored most recently by TechCrunch. The new Notification Center in iOS 5 will aggregate all notifications, accessed by swiping down from the status bar at the top of the screen. New notifications will appear at the top of the screen and will be less obtrusive overall. Notifications will also be displayed on the lock screen along with weather and stock alerts. Tapping on a notification will automatically open the related app.

Yep, this almost brings iOS on par with Android & WebOS. It is a more intrusive approach (big popup instead of in the notification bar), and also doesn't appear to have a clear all function or a gaming mode system (instead just halting notifications during gaming). OTOH, this does provide more info passively (without dragging down the notification bar to reveal the drawer) than Android does, since Android merely uses a 1-line display followed by a icon in the notification bar, instead of usinga large, 4 line display at the top of the screen. Overall, I prefer Android/WebOS's approach, but either is impressive and could be argued to be the best. Advantage Draw.

• iOS 5 will be "PC free" allowing new device activation and iOS updates over the air. Also, iTunes library syncing will be possible wirelessly via Wi-Fi. While an iOS device is being charged, it will automatically find the associated iTunes library and sync automatically.

This mirrors the similar feature on WP7, Android, and WebOS, without completely copying it. Instead of relying on simply hooking up to services like Facebook, Google, Windows Live, Yahoo and Amazon for syncing your stuff, Apple has created their own sync service, iCloud, hosted on their own datacenter, bypassing those companies altogether. And the wi-fi syncing is an alternative to simply downloading everything OTA/streaming stuff as you do on android, or the various third-party WiFi sync tools for Android/WebOS. The downside is if you already use Google Apps, or if your business uses Google Apps, or you already use Yahoo/Windows Live tools, syncing will be more complicated than it is on Android/WebOS/WP7. OTOH, if you're on a mac or iPad as your main computer, syncing is easy, since iOS 5 & Lion will both support iCloud with their built in PIM tools & other stuff. Hopefully Outlook > iCloud sync will be in Windows iTunes too. Advantage Draw/iOS slight win.


• AirPlay Mirroring will also be possible to wirelessly mirror an iPad's display to a television connected to an AppleTV.

This mimics tools like DLNA, except it only supports Apple's own Apple TV, whereas DLNA supports a wide range of TVs, BluRay Players, set-top boxes, and the Xbox 360. Advantage DLNA (which is supported by many Android devices.)

• Also as rumored, Twitter will be integrated into iOS and several apps including Camera, Photos, Maps, and Safari. Contacts can also be updated automatically with Twitter handles.

This is highly similar to services like TouchWiz's Social Networking Feeds Feature, except TouchWiz, Sense, and Blur integrate Twitter, Facebook, and sometimes Myspace and LinkedIn & RSS, all together, rather than just Twitter. The advantage of integration is crossposting, crossviewing (viewing a combined feed), cross commenting, and pulling contacts, pictures, and information from all services at once. WP7 and WebOS also do this (WP7 "Mango" will be the first version to support both Twitter & FaceBook) Advantage Android/WP7/WebOS

• As reported by This is my next... earlier today, Apple introduced a new unified messaging service between iOS users called iMessage. iMessage will allow iOS users to send text and multimedia messages over Wi-Fi and 3G with read and delivery receipts and real-time typing indication. Messages will be pushed to all iOS devices a user owns.

This mimics BBM, but also mimics the Google Talk service found in most android phones, and of course IM apps. In other platforms, IM apps can integrate with your contacts list, for instance on TouchWiz Android phones, tapping an AIM account on your contact list launches AIM to that user (if AIM is installed or preinstalled on that phone). Same with WebOS and Sense Android phones. Most android phones also come with Google Talk. Advantage iOS, unless your friends are on other networks, not iMessage (which is iOS-only).

• Game Center will be enhanced with profile avatars, friend recommendations, and the ability to purchase new games within Game Center.

This mimics Playstation Certified Game Center and Windows Phone. OTOH, the iOS platform already has a huge base of games & users, so Advantage iOS.

• Mobile Safari will also get several new features including tabbed browsing and a Safari Reader feature where users can save articles for later reading in the Reading List, which will be synced across multiple iOS devices for easy access.

This mimics various popular apps on all platforms, including replacement browsers, extensions, and instapaper. This cannot really be quantified, because that would turn into an overall Mobile Safari vs. stock & replacement browser comparison. Suffice to say I prefer Android's stock browser, but like Mercury for iOS better than any browser on Android.

• A new Reminders app will offer task tracking in iOS 5 with geolocation capabilities to trigger reminders based on user location.

This mimics popular apps for all platforms. Some Android apps by manufactures integrate this in, but not all.

• Camera will get a shortcut from the lock screen for quicker access. New features include optional grid lines for better framing and on-device editing like cropping and rotating plus red-eye reduction. The volume up button can also be set to trigger the shutter.

Many other cameras on other phones have many of these features. Of course, iPhone 4 still has the best video recording, and good low-light performance among cameraphones. Many cameraphoness that dont have a lock screen shortcut have a dedicated camera button. Many cameraphones also use this button to trigger the shutter. Ae/AF lock, and other features, can be found in some other cameras. However, the biggest feature in a cameraphone is the camera (and flash) itself. The iPhone 4 is outmatched by the best other phones, but in the upper class of cameraphones in that category.

• Mail will also see some signification changes including rich text formatting, message flagging, draggable addresses.

These features are excellent. AFAIK most are only matched by Android apps that are third-party and not carrier installed. The standard mail client on other platforms doesn't compare.

• Other new system-wide features include a dictionary that can be accessed by any app and keyboard enhancements to modify the on-screen keyboard.

Cool. Android has a choice of keyboards, but to my knowledge none with that split design.

• A new app called News Stand is also coming to the App Store with iOS 5. It will be a counterpart to iBooks featuring newspapers and magazines and will download new issues automatically in the background.

Using those Sekrit Download-in-Background APIs are we? :D But cool!

iOS 5 will be available in the fall and will support the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, 3rd- and 4th-generation iPod touch, and iPad and iPad 2. Developers will be able to access a seed today.
Yay! Android 4.0 is coming holiday 2011.

NT1440
Jun 6, 2011, 04:26 PM
VERY cool update. I can't wait for Fall :)

Hueyfreeman
Jun 6, 2011, 04:27 PM
this update is HUGE - it fills in all of the android / BB gaps and adds quite a few features they don't have. 1 big thing no one is talking about is AirPlay Mirroring. this is the first step in turning the iphone/ipad into a wii/xbox replacement. depending on how much control they give the game developers this could be huge.

A dedicated game console will always have better graphics then a device in the same price range. It will also have a universal control scheme. People buy iOS devices for a plethora of reasons. People don't buy a Wii to get on netflix, they don't get it to play music they get to play games. iOS devices, Android Devices will never replace consoles. Just because they sell a lot a day does not mean everyone of those will be used for games. But Every single PS3, Wii, Xbox360, PSP, and 3DS sold today will be used mainly to play games.

Worf
Jun 6, 2011, 04:28 PM
Can someone confirm if all these new features will work on an iPhone 3GS? If so, is it buggy? If it does work and isn't too buggy this will make my day :)

Too early to tell yet, check back around August/Early September, right now the beta SDK is probably incompatible with most apps and very bug same as all other initial beta releases.

wovel
Jun 6, 2011, 04:31 PM
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Google can't sue and have no grounds to - Android is open source, so Apple can do what they wish.

open source does not mean you can steal the lay out. It comes with its own rules and requirements and Apple could easily be violating those.

Google copied their system from webos and the jailbroke iPhone system. Both of those developers work for Apple. Unraveling who stole what from whom would be rather complicated.

kenypowa
Jun 6, 2011, 04:31 PM
Hey Android: how ya like me now?

Steve Jobs said 2011 is the year of copycats. He meant what he said; he just didn't say who is copying who.

Wozza2010
Jun 6, 2011, 04:35 PM
I bet Google are quaking in their boots right now :rolleyes:

JAT
Jun 6, 2011, 04:36 PM
I can't believe they still don't allow motion backgrounds or themes.

I love my iPhone but i really hope Apple throws some cool carrots to us. Every iPhone looks exactly the same. We are all individuals. Please let us change something more than just the background!

Your iPhone has pics of my kids on it?

danrees
Jun 6, 2011, 04:37 PM
Have to say I don't understand the point of iMessages either but I am sure many people do - as BBM and WhatsApp are so popular.

Is it just because text messages cost money?

On 3 in the UK even the basic £15pm plan (sim only) includes 3,000 texts...

TheNewDude
Jun 6, 2011, 04:37 PM
Your iPhone has pics of my kids on it?

Hence, "more than just the background" part.

cliveren13
Jun 6, 2011, 04:38 PM
Isnt wireless syncing out on Blackberry and Android devices already what took Apple so long to do what has already been done notifications all that was already out why did we have to wait so long plus wasnt webos doing all this

wovel
Jun 6, 2011, 04:38 PM
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I'm confused. Do you actually have a mycompany.com email address?

Ok, so, my company is too cheap (so far) to move from a POP3 server at a local ISP to a modern email system. So, I forward my company email account to a gmail account so that I benefit from the marvelous syncing features of IMAP. In the GMail web client, it allows me to "Send mail as..." another email address, such as me@mycompanydomain.com. This way the recipient has no clue (unless maybe they look at the headers) that I am sending from a gmail account, so it looks perfectly professional.

Currently I have to use the gmail web client on my iPhone / iPad to accomplish this. If I send from the built-in Mail app the recipient sees my gmail account address which I do not want them to see. I hope this new Mail app fixes this.

The problem is your company. Or set up your company pop account as well and select that email when sending messages....

TheNewDude
Jun 6, 2011, 04:39 PM
Have to say I don't understand the point of iMessages either but I am sure many people do - as BBM and WhatsApp are so popular.

Is it just because text messages cost money?

On 3 in the UK even the basic £15pm plan (sim only) includes 3,000 texts...

Text messages only allow group chats. They also don't allow "Sent/Read/Typing" updates.
What's App....yes, iMessage will be very similar to What's App but hopefully work better than what's app. What's App is way too slow and unreliable. But What's App is cross platform, so there are advantages and disadvantages. But iMessages will be a welcomed addition.

NT1440
Jun 6, 2011, 04:40 PM
Steve Jobs said 2011 is the year of copycats. He meant what he said; he just didn't say who is copying who.

I can guarantee you that the two work in entirely different ways code-wise.


I also find it funny that some people can only seem to harp on the smaller news simply because it enables the "Lulz, copycats" type of posting.

For the record I think the whole "X copied Y" posting trend on this site is downright retarded. You know when someone actually copies? When the law gets involved. Otherwise, the same features accomplished by different methods in code IS NOT COPYING.

bericd
Jun 6, 2011, 04:45 PM
I just love how they announced all this stuff 4 months before it is actually avaliable.

Or about a year after it was available on Android.

fahadqureshi
Jun 6, 2011, 04:45 PM
Steve Jobs said 2011 is the year of copycats. He meant what he said; he just didn't say who is copying who.

I don't think apple cares about copying something that works well (i.e. android notification system). they simply say that their implementation on their device is better.

John.B
Jun 6, 2011, 04:47 PM
I was also hoping for multiple signatures in Mail.
This. More than anything else in iOS. :(

vw195
Jun 6, 2011, 04:49 PM
Steve Jobs said 2011 is the year of copycats. He meant what he said; he just didn't say who is copying who.

Hah that is absolutely right. What a joke. Apple ripped off everyone, just like they always have. They do tend to implement what they rip off better. The notifications in ios5 fix what imo was a glaring weakness in ios.

I do hope google sues them, even if for a loss cause, just to point out how apple has fallen behind, and now resorts to copying Google.

PS Reminders is a poor mans Remember the Milk

chrono1081
Jun 6, 2011, 04:50 PM
I can guarantee you that the two work in entirely different ways code-wise.


I also find it funny that some people can only seem to harp on the smaller news simply because it enables the "Lulz, copycats" type of posting.

For the record I think the whole "X copied Y" posting trend on this site is downright retarded. You know when someone actually copies? When the law gets involved. Otherwise, the same features accomplished by different methods in code IS NOT COPYING.

+1. No one sits there and says Microsoft's XBox copied Sony's Playstation.

NT1440
Jun 6, 2011, 04:55 PM
+1. No one sits there and says Microsoft's XBox copied Sony's Playstation.

Uh.....were you around here back in 07? lol

Really I think way too many people just become rooters for their "team". I think its stupid to be part of a team.

I go apple because to date, no one has provided such a seamless and well put together ecosystem with its computer and mobile devices. Now that I've seen a few new features that are exactly what I've been looking for (the functionality in the to-do lists without needing a 3rd party app, for one) i can tell I will be sticking with apple for quite a while longer.

That said, if any other company provides me with the features I'm looking for that work as effortlessly as they do now, I'd gladly jump ship.

That said, Apple tends (not always though) to be the innovator while the rest tend to be reactionary. Sometime Apple fails at predicting where the market will be, but goddamn at least they try to look ahead rather than react to the present.

NightFox
Jun 6, 2011, 04:57 PM
Beta is now live on the Dev site (for members of the Dev program). Pretty busy as you'd expect so took quite a few attempts, but now downloading with 55mins left to go... :)

sciwizam
Jun 6, 2011, 04:58 PM
Cool. Android has a choice of keyboards, but to my knowledge none with that split design.


Nope, Android has several split screen keyboard apps.

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&feature=search_result

https://ssl.gstatic.com/android/market/com.beansoft.keyboardplus/ss-5-320-480-160-3-ab1551cb73bd137e3100daee289fc3fa9cf92d43

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/20/first-beta-of-the-split-key-swiftkey-for-tablets-keyboard-now-available-to-swiftkey-vip-users-multitouch-in-tow/

http://www.hardwaresphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/swiftkey-tablet-keyboard-app-for-tablet.jpg

vw195
Jun 6, 2011, 04:59 PM
Nope, Android has several split screen keyboard apps.

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&feature=search_result

Image (https://ssl.gstatic.com/android/market/com.beansoft.keyboardplus/ss-5-320-480-160-3-ab1551cb73bd137e3100daee289fc3fa9cf92d43)

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/20/first-beta-of-the-split-key-swiftkey-for-tablets-keyboard-now-available-to-swiftkey-vip-users-multitouch-in-tow/

Image (http://www.hardwaresphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/swiftkey-tablet-keyboard-app-for-tablet.jpg)

D%&^mit Dont bring facts into this!

ssk2
Jun 6, 2011, 05:00 PM
Year of the copycat indeed...

iMessenger - BBM or WhatsApp!
Notifications - Android notifications
Safari Reader - ReadItLater

I don't particularly mind that Apple is introducing these features, it just indicates that they're playing catch up by copying other OS' features. Yes, they'll be polished but... meh, I expect better than Apple. I'm on a 'droid at the moment, it was meant to be a stop-gap until the next iPhone. Now, I'm not so sure... why bother switching back when its just another smartphone, packaged with Apple's icons?

vw195
Jun 6, 2011, 05:00 PM
+1. No one sits there and says Microsoft's XBox copied Sony's Playstation.

Yea but m$ft didnt copy the xbar interface either haha.. now all IOS needs is widgets and live wallpaper!

NT1440
Jun 6, 2011, 05:02 PM
Nope, Android has several split screen keyboard apps.

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&feature=search_result

Image (https://ssl.gstatic.com/android/market/com.beansoft.keyboardplus/ss-5-320-480-160-3-ab1551cb73bd137e3100daee289fc3fa9cf92d43)

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/20/first-beta-of-the-split-key-swiftkey-for-tablets-keyboard-now-available-to-swiftkey-vip-users-multitouch-in-tow/

Image (http://www.hardwaresphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/swiftkey-tablet-keyboard-app-for-tablet.jpg)

Guys, Redmond has had a patent for a while too.

Remember, for software patents its NOT WHAT IS DONE, its how it is implemented in code.

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-patents-cool-multi-touch-virtual-keyboard/

vw195
Jun 6, 2011, 05:04 PM
Year of the copycat indeed...

iMessenger - BBM or WhatsApp!
Notifications - Android notifications
Safari Reader - ReadItLater

I don't particularly mind that Apple is introducing these features, it just indicates that they're playing catch up by copying other OS' features. Yes, they'll be polished but... meh, I expect better than Apple. I'm on a 'droid at the moment, it was meant to be a stop-gap until the next iPhone. Now, I'm not so sure... why bother switching back when its just another smartphone, packaged with Apple's icons?

Right now apple is winning the tablet war, no question. Right now android is winning the phone war albeit by not so much. It appears Android is going to keep oneupping the iphone in hardware, as it wont be waiting until once per year for a hardware change. I fully expect to see iphone5 to have similar hardware to the Galaxy SII 6-7 months later. The only reason to go ios on both devices is to keep the same software. Personally I am staying Android phone and ipad for the foreseeable future.

Edit: maybe this will get google to give a seamless picassa sync :)

FoxMcCloud
Jun 6, 2011, 05:06 PM
iPod app on iPad has been replaced with Music app. Great! iPod app was horrendous.

cvaldes
Jun 6, 2011, 05:07 PM
No improvements to the mundane Youtube app on iphone/ipad, and none on the email app, not good.
If you watch the iOS 5 video on Apple's site, it is clear that they have been working on the e-mail app.

Sensamic
Jun 6, 2011, 05:07 PM
Im VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!!

Where are the WIDGETS??????

I wanted a homescreen change of look!! I hate having all the icons just there. I like more android homescreen with widgets and stuff...

STILL NO TASK MANAGER OR SYSTEM MANAGER??????

NO LIVE WALLPAPERS!!!! They look so cool on android... and I dont care about battery life, you can just turn them off...

It was NOT A MAJOR UPDATE!!

WIDGETS FOR GOD SAKE!!! I had them on symbian!!!

ThisIsNotMe
Jun 6, 2011, 05:07 PM
I bet Google are quaking in their boots right now :rolleyes:

99.95% of their revenue comes from search based ads.
Nothing Apple introduced today is aimed at competing with Googles core business.

NT1440
Jun 6, 2011, 05:07 PM
99.95% of their revenue comes from search based ads.
Nothing Apple introduced today is aimed at competing with Googles core business.

Not to mention that they are still business partners....

ThisIsNotMe
Jun 6, 2011, 05:08 PM
Nope, Android has several split screen keyboard apps.

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&feature=search_result

Image (https://ssl.gstatic.com/android/market/com.beansoft.keyboardplus/ss-5-320-480-160-3-ab1551cb73bd137e3100daee289fc3fa9cf92d43)

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/20/first-beta-of-the-split-key-swiftkey-for-tablets-keyboard-now-available-to-swiftkey-vip-users-multitouch-in-tow/

Image (http://www.hardwaresphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/swiftkey-tablet-keyboard-app-for-tablet.jpg)


OMG OMG OMG
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/freestyle-solo_690x375.jpg

chrmjenkins
Jun 6, 2011, 05:09 PM
Year of the copycat indeed...

iMessenger - BBM or WhatsApp!
Notifications - Android notifications
Safari Reader - ReadItLater

I don't particularly mind that Apple is introducing these features, it just indicates that they're playing catch up by copying other OS' features. Yes, they'll be polished but... meh, I expect better than Apple. I'm on a 'droid at the moment, it was meant to be a stop-gap until the next iPhone. Now, I'm not so sure... why bother switching back when its just another smartphone, packaged with Apple's icons?

Because that's a completely backwards way to look at it. When you buy an iPhone, you're buying Apple's ecosystem, offerings and services. The UI experience is going to be mostly similar on all of the major smartphone OS platforms. The fact that people can't see that and get hung up on who is copying who is simply sad.

djrod
Jun 6, 2011, 05:10 PM
Hence, "more than just the background" part.

Maybe you missed this img, check the "customize UI"

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/06/stevejobswwdc2011liveblogkeynote0844.jpg

ssk2
Jun 6, 2011, 05:13 PM
Because that's a completely backwards way to look at it. When you buy an iPhone, you're buying Apple's ecosystem, offerings and services. The UI experience is going to be mostly similar on all of the major smartphone OS platforms. The fact that people can't see that and get hung up on who is copying who is simply sad.

So.... You don't think HTC Sense and Apple iOS 5 are fundamentally different operating systems? And you don't think that Apple has borrowed heavily from other platforms and devs?

I'd be seething if I was on the LockscreenInfo team or on the Android notification team. Its like Apple have given you the middle finger and said, "hey guys, we're big enough to do this now, screw you".

baryon
Jun 6, 2011, 05:13 PM
Not at all. Before, I'd have to plug the iPad into the computer, now I can leave my computer downstairs and plug the iPad into a charger anywhere in the house. That's huge for me, I have a computer upstairs that potentially can go away now.

Sure, it would be good if it could sync at any time or be told to sync manually, but that's something they can add easily (assuming they're not planning to include the functionality already).

Yes, in that particular case, for people who have a separate charger and actually use it, it makes things easier. But it's nothing compared to the potential of the feature! Why can't the device just sync every time you make a change on your computer, or at least every day at 4:00 AM while you sleep or something? The technology is all there, all it has to do is activate it... And the wireless sync is activated by what... a CABLE! I think that's crazy.

That's like using your phone as a paperweight: it does the job, it's better than nothing, but come on, all this technology, wasted?

Does syncing eat battery life so badly? I hate changing one thing in iCal, then having to connect my iPod to sync. And then I realize I made a mistake, I have to do it again. Why not just have a "Sync" button in iTunes?

Apple loves to take sophisticated technology and only use 10% of its potential. It's like Bluetooth on the iPhone: you can't send photos or anything over from one phone to the other, even though they both have Bluetooth. Why not? It's just stupid. The only reason they have Bluetooth is to connect to 3 models of extremely expensive cars that happen to have Bluetooth connectivity with that specific phone. That's it.

EDIT: According to the newest MacRumors article, there is actually a "Sync Now" button on iOS devices... I guess it works even when not plugged in! That would be awesome!

MacFan782040
Jun 6, 2011, 05:14 PM
the volume up button can also be set to trigger the shutter.

omfg. Yes.

LastLine
Jun 6, 2011, 05:15 PM
Anyone know if/how I can install the iOS5 beta without a full restore? Would prefer an update...

aristotle
Jun 6, 2011, 05:15 PM
Im VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!!

Where are the WIDGETS??????

I wanted a homescreen change of look!! I hate having all the icons just there. I like more android homescreen with widgets and stuff...

STILL NO TASK MANAGER OR SYSTEM MANAGER??????

NO LIVE WALLPAPERS!!!! They look so cool on android... and I dont care about battery life, you can just turn them off...

It was NOT A MAJOR UPDATE!!

WIDGETS FOR GOD SAKE!!! I had them on symbian!!!
I can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. I hope it is the latter.

If you really want your phone to run like crap either get a crappy android phone or jailbreak your iPhone and install unstable crap to get the ugly and slow look you are looking for. You don't need a task/system manager unless if you are either running something like Android or running jailbroken with a bunch of unstable hacks.

Tunster
Jun 6, 2011, 05:17 PM
I see all the nay-sayers and anti-bois coming out of the wood-work today. Hopefully you'll all disappear once the mist has disappeared and Apple get plenty of green ticks by the media and tech experts.

Personally, I couldn't give a rats ass if it's copied or not. A smartphone is going to inherit all of these features naturally and finding a different way of doing it is merely impossible unless you bring in new tech (example: mind reading/speaking etc). Did you all expect Apple to put the notification menu at the bottom and scroll up? Get real. Android's implementation of notification system is average and I've used/owned an Android phone. I'm dead happy Apple have thought it through carefully and not jumped it into a minor update half-baked. Everything added to the OS has consequences and google didn't clearly go through their own system as it was totally buggy very early on and it wouldn't notify you in a subtle way while in another app properly.

Yes, Apple may take "inspiration from" others, but at least there's some damn originality rather than the copy-cats who try to bust out features for the sake of PR and stats.

The general outlook of the UI... Why is it outdated? Why change it when it ain't broke?

I'm loving all the new changes and can't wait to get them included in all my iProduct range. :D

twoodcc
Jun 6, 2011, 05:17 PM
looks great! can't wait for it to be released!

viperGTS
Jun 6, 2011, 05:18 PM
3rd gen devices got the update... what now Eldar Murtazin? :rolleyes:

UngratefulNinja
Jun 6, 2011, 05:18 PM
Done better.



Done way, way, way better. I'm sorry, there is no comparison to what we just saw today and 'google music features' coupled with amazon cloud storage.

Automatic and persistent document state/versioning across all devices simultaneously? Easy APIs for developers to utilize that same functionality in arbitrary apps? Seamless integration of cloud storage services with background upstream/downstream IO keeping everything tightly woven and ready to use at your fingertips regardless of which device you pick up? A couple of disparate, single-track utilities with no system-wide integration, no instant built-in utility, no cohesive, holistic approach to solving instant data sharing and synchronization do not a consumer solution make.

Comparing the iCloud implementation and its built-in integration with all iOS/Mac devices/software/applications to 'amazon cloud + google music' is like comparing a Mercedes-Benz to a 'little-red-wagon + leaf-blower motor'.



I think you watched a different keynote than I did.

You haven't even tried it yet to know LOL :rolleyes:

vw195
Jun 6, 2011, 05:21 PM
Because that's a completely backwards way to look at it. When you buy an iPhone, you're buying Apple's ecosystem, offerings and services. The UI experience is going to be mostly similar on all of the major smartphone OS platforms. The fact that people can't see that and get hung up on who is copying who is simply sad.

All anyone has heard since android has been on the market (and the zune etc) is crying about how they are ripping off/copying apple. But now that apple is catching up to android in its featureset, its only fair to expect the reverse.



Yes, Apple may take "inspiration from" others, but at least there's some damn originality rather than the copy-cats who try to bust out features for the sake of PR and stats.

Hahaha you kill me! This may be best post of the year. Apple takes inspiration while others copycat bwahahah ROFLMAO

ssk2
Jun 6, 2011, 05:26 PM
The amount of kneeling at the alter of Jobs is sickening.

Weeks ago most of you were baying for Samsung blood when they copied/borrowed/took inspiration from the layout of the iPhone's icons. Today, all of you are rejoicing in the fact that Apple have copied/borrowed/took inspiration from Android's notification system. You honestly don't see the hypocrisy in this?

aristotle
Jun 6, 2011, 05:26 PM
You haven't even tried it yet to know LOL :rolleyes:
Well ironically people stating that it is basically Amazon cloud + google music have not tried it either so.....

Yeah.
:rolleyes:

chrmjenkins
Jun 6, 2011, 05:33 PM
So.... You don't think HTC Sense and Apple iOS 5 are fundamentally different operating systems? And you don't think that Apple has borrowed heavily from other platforms and devs?

I'd be seething if I was on the LockscreenInfo team or on the Android notification team. Its like Apple have given you the middle finger and said, "hey guys, we're big enough to do this now, screw you".

They are different but they accomplish many of the same things in the same ways because that's what makes sense. Linux, Unix, OSX and W7 for all their differences have a lot of similarities in how they accomplish things and what they can do.

Of course, apple was fixing a feature gap by including this, but you have to look at what actually separates the ecosystems now. Apple has a more vibrant and quality appstore, they have better feature integration because they control their ecosystem top to bottom, etc. Apple is closing the gap to where the only striking feature about android is its customization and openness (which is evaporating too).

If anyone on any of these teams is offended, they're stupid. Apple didn't blatantly copy and the way they've accomplished it was logically one of the best solutions to the problem. They can't just make it different for the sake of it. I'd bet most people can't think of a way that Apple's new system could be improved without causing a major UI change or something that is against Apple's ethos.

marksman
Jun 6, 2011, 05:47 PM
are u kidding me? "iMessages" sold u an iPad??? dude u were able to do exactly the same thing for 2 years now with something called "WhatsApp" which u can even use to text ppl with nokia, blackberry & android phones

... some ppl

Yeah it is not the same thing.

The value in iMessage is that 10s of millions of iDevices will natively have it, which makes it much more useful for communicating with a large variety of people. This is one advantage Rim did have with BBM that is going to be gone.

Saying that WhatsApp is the same thing is kind of silly.

How does someone with WhatsApp send me a message?

They send me a text message? So what is the point of Whatsapp, they can send me a text message without it.

With iMessage they can send me an iMessage because I have an iPhone.

vvswarup
Jun 6, 2011, 05:56 PM
Right now apple is winning the tablet war, no question. Right now android is winning the phone war albeit by not so much. It appears Android is going to keep oneupping the iphone in hardware, as it wont be waiting until once per year for a hardware change. I fully expect to see iphone5 to have similar hardware to the Galaxy SII 6-7 months later. The only reason to go ios on both devices is to keep the same software. Personally I am staying Android phone and ipad for the foreseeable future.

Edit: maybe this will get google to give a seamless picassa sync :)

How do you define "winning?"

As I've said thousands of times on this forum, at the end of the day, there's only one thing that matters in business, and that's profits. Apple is winning in areas that matter. Apple is still far more profitable than any other smartphone manufacturer. The more profits Apple makes, the more cash Apple has to fund R&D.

Smacky
Jun 6, 2011, 06:12 PM
Nice that Apple has copied so many features from other systems
"Think different" indeed

Wont be long now till Apple becomes the new Microsoft

DanteMann
Jun 6, 2011, 06:24 PM
Wow I think these updates are great. I really do love that notification center. A friend of mine pointed out that the swipe down and across gesture is a copy of Touchwiz on his Samsung. Not of Android, but of Touchwiz. I have to admit it does look like an exact copy of the Samsungs Touchwiz. In fact so much so that I was surprised when he showed me this. I can't help but wonder if Samsung will bring this up in their counter suit.

s1m
Jun 6, 2011, 06:27 PM
It's like Bluetooth on the iPhone: you can't send photos or anything over from one phone to the other, even though they both have Bluetooth. Why not? It's just stupid. The only reason they have Bluetooth is to connect to 3 models of extremely expensive cars that happen to have Bluetooth connectivity with that specific phone. That's it.


I use bluetooth headphones constantly with both my iPhone and iPad. I also share photos over bluetooth using photoshare. Have you even bothered to try to use bluetooth on your iOS device?

alex2792
Jun 6, 2011, 06:27 PM
Wow I can't believe that Apple just blatantly ripped off Android like that. Still no file system access or flash either lol.

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s1m
Jun 6, 2011, 06:43 PM
Still no flash either lol.


On what planet do you live? Does anyone have any expectation that flash will come to an iOS device?

liquidsuns
Jun 6, 2011, 07:19 PM
With Windows 8, iOS 5 making iOS pc-free, and the great xbox keynote today, technology has finally become totally awesome.

I'm gonna have an iPhone and iPad, girlfriend is going with wp7 and w8 tablet, and we will have an apple tv and xbox under the tv and that's it. No damn pcs or DVRs or DVD players. Just beautiful, nerd-free interfaces and great, fully integrated ecosystems.

It's been an amazing week for technology.

BrianKonarsMac
Jun 6, 2011, 07:21 PM
Wow. That was fun. I can not wait for iOS 5. I loved notifications and iMessaging.

Fall seems so far. Le sigh.

I agree, I feel underwhelmed... the whole time I was waiting for that one - oh wow, I have to have that! moment, but it never came. I'm kind of sad to see OS X dying, since I am not a huge fan of touch based input...

fabianjj
Jun 6, 2011, 07:23 PM
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So how does this iMessages thing work. I assume it replaces the current messages app. How will it work with basic texting? Will you have to specifiy if it is a regular text/mms or a message? Or will it automatically figure out if your contact has an iPhone?

I hope that it will completely replace SMS and MMS messages for the contacts that are on iOS devices in the messages app. So that if the recipient is using an iOS device you won't need to do things differently, but are given the improvements of encryption, not the limiting word count on SMS (usually not a problem these days unless you're paying for them individually or sending them to certain people with older phones that can't fuse the SMS together), or the limited image quality of an mms.

It would also be nice if they opened this up for developers to integrate other messaging systems like whatsapp, viber or different IM-platforms, which would allow you to send messages to anyone regardless of what network they're on.

Slurpy2k8
Jun 6, 2011, 07:23 PM
Nice that Apple has copied so many features from other systems
"Think different" indeed

Wont be long now till Apple becomes the new Microsoft

I've been hearing the 'LOL APPLE THE NEW MICROSOFT' line for the past 10 years.. what the ****ing hell is it supposed to mean? You're pathetic.

You would have bitched if they didn't add the features. You bitch when they add them. Pretty much every modern ****ing mobile OS in existence was based on the original iOS. How many possible way can notifications be created in a way that is logical and useable on a 3.5in screen? How would Apple has done them in an 'original' way, in which you would have been pleased? If they were in a random language and holographic? Or if you had to invoke a 7 finger gesture to invoke them? Stop your trolling. Not every new addition can be OMFG THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE BY ANYONE.

caspersoong
Jun 6, 2011, 07:24 PM
Not such a big leap forward but still really awesome. Apple is making more and more apps, however. And for the first time, I feel that iPod touch users are not left in the cold.

SactoGuy18
Jun 6, 2011, 08:07 PM
Here's a question nobody seemed to answer: after the first initial big file update to iOS 5.0, will further updates to iOS be done on an incremental basis--e.g., download smaller updates on an as-needed basis? This is very important now that Apple has "cut the cord" in regards to no longer needing another computer running iTunes to get the updates starting with iOS 5.0.

wardev
Jun 6, 2011, 08:10 PM
i forsee a conflict between notification center and sbsettings for jailbroken phones. i know you can change the gesture but why swipe up, left, or right for a window that slides down?

MattInOz
Jun 6, 2011, 08:29 PM
Maybe you missed this img, check the "customize UI"

Image (http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/06/stevejobswwdc2011liveblogkeynote0844.jpg)

Hehe "Location support in simulator."
Yes because you should be able to complete a basic CoreData/TablelView tutorial without having to buy a dev's account to run the app on device.

As a device user the update is really sort of incremental from what I've seen so far. Addresses stuff that really needed addressing.

As a wannabe Dev I'm seeing lots of stuff I'm hoping is API accessible.
The popover for Newstand for one. I really hope that is deploy-able as a document browser for any apps. Especially if it allows for per document tagging of notifications. If you do completely custom content in there then who needs widgets.

Rodimus Prime
Jun 6, 2011, 08:52 PM
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Google copied their system from webos and the jailbroke iPhone system. Both of those developers work for Apple. Unraveling who stole what from whom would be rather complicated.

Really? I believe Google has had those notifications long before iPhone jail breakers even got around to it considering the notifications the jail breakers have made are eh at best in terms of the work around they were forced to do.

So again Apple stole from Android not the other way around. Android expainded on a basic system that blackberry and dumb phones had been using for years.

As for notifaction on Apple. Welcome to 2001. Took you long enough.

MattInOz
Jun 6, 2011, 08:57 PM
Im VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!!

Where are the WIDGETS??????

I wanted a homescreen change of look!! I hate having all the icons just there. I like more android homescreen with widgets and stuff...

STILL NO TASK MANAGER OR SYSTEM MANAGER??????

NO LIVE WALLPAPERS!!!! They look so cool on android... and I dont care about battery life, you can just turn them off...

It was NOT A MAJOR UPDATE!!

WIDGETS FOR GOD SAKE!!! I had them on symbian!!!

In the immortal words of Sir Terry Pratchett
"Four exclamation marks, surely a sign of an insane mind."

neko girl
Jun 6, 2011, 10:22 PM
and apple dares to sue samsung???
lets see ...
I'm sure you don't know what dashboard and growl are.

neko girl
Jun 6, 2011, 10:23 PM
Here's a question nobody seemed to answer: after the first initial big file update to iOS 5.0, will further updates to iOS be done on an incremental basis--e.g., download smaller updates on an as-needed basis? This is very important now that Apple has "cut the cord" in regards to no longer needing another computer running iTunes to get the updates starting with iOS 5.0.
Yep, Delta updates is what Scott mentioned.

Bigcclass09
Jun 6, 2011, 10:32 PM
Wow I can't believe that Apple just blatantly ripped off Android like that. Still no file system access or flash either lol.

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why do people want flash, html5 is on most sites now, youtube links work, imo flash on a mobile device is only for watching porn, but please give reasons for why the iphone needs it.

jelew1985
Jun 6, 2011, 10:56 PM
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I hope that it will completely replace SMS and MMS messages for the contacts that are on iOS devices in the messages app. So that if the recipient is using an iOS device you won't need to do things differently, but are given the improvements of encryption, not the limiting word count on SMS (usually not a problem these days unless you're paying for them individually or sending them to certain people with older phones that can't fuse the SMS together), or the limited image quality of an mms.

It would also be nice if they opened this up for developers to integrate other messaging systems like whatsapp, viber or different IM-platforms, which would allow you to send messages to anyone regardless of what network they're on.

It appears that iMessage is apart of the Messages app.

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/features.html#imessage

Zeus86
Jun 6, 2011, 10:56 PM
Now I can take off the unlimited texting for $30 a month. I text but I don't go over 1500 so now I can save an extra $15 a month because of iMessage.

jealousguy86
Jun 6, 2011, 11:29 PM
so no better voice technology? i really really want voice to texting on the iphone. they need to do this. android has it. wtf.

and no better GPS/maps/turn by turn directions? wth?

alex2792
Jun 6, 2011, 11:34 PM
why do people want flash, html5 is on most sites now, youtube links work, imo flash on a mobile device is only for watching porn, but please give reasons for why the iphone needs it.

I can stream live tv at work on my EVO 4g and I couldnt on my iPhone since Steve won't let me use flash.



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visqueraient
Jun 7, 2011, 12:49 AM
Is there the possibility that you may accidentally dismiss the Notification Center when you scroll up? It occurred to me that if you have many notifications, and you wanted to use momentum scrolling to see the ones further down the list, you may flick the whole Notification Center back up by accident.

grapefruitx
Jun 7, 2011, 01:04 AM
For me, it's not that big of a deal if you are invested in the Apple eco-system, these things were bound to come out sooner or later. I think the biggest announcement was the introduction of iMessage because this potentially changes the smartphone space, specifically how damaging this could be to RIM. If you didn't think RIM could recover previous to the announcement, you know have reason to believe that they won't. With Windows Phone not doing too well and RIM at a standstill, it really has become a race between Google and Apple.

I agree with pretty much all of that, except imessage and RIM, i think Apple only does catch up here, and imessage for Apple only ecosystem does not attract me, only a few of my friends have an i phone, everyone i work with including competitors and business partners are using RIM, my latest BB is better by far at messaging and being a phone, including the updates in IOS 5. However i agree with you the smart part of smartphone is what is driving sales, and Google are the only competitors at the moment, is there anything here that stops me migrating to google, yes one thing itunes, i fear if i use a different phone my music and music streaming at home will be screwed up.

krischik
Jun 7, 2011, 01:26 AM
Hey Android: how ya like me now?

After you copied my Notification System 1:1 you are indeed a lot more attractive. ;)

And now I lean back and wait for the first Fanboy (or Girl) to declare that Apple “invented” notifications.

What do you mean? They pretty much copied android!! Everything is ios 5 is already in android's operating system. I think apple made them selves look foolish today!

You got voted down? Looks like the Fanboy can´t stand the truth. Mind you: I don´t think it is foolish to copy what is better ;-)

PS: The fact that I post here means that I do actually like Apple. Just the Fanboys get up my nerve.

Millah
Jun 7, 2011, 01:29 AM
and apple dares to sue samsung???
lets see ...

iMessage
Image (http://i53.tinypic.com/ruz5w2.png)

Notification Center
Image (http://i52.tinypic.com/se2bg2.png)

Lockscreen

Image (http://i53.tinypic.com/29d8osn.png)

Volume Up To Take Picture
... now we know why the app got banned from the appstore ;)

there's more i cant think of right now

=

Image (http://i54.tinypic.com/2pshbg5.png)

Right, and Apples inventing the entire touchscreen design metaphor is irrelevant? Finger-driven UI, Inertial scrolling, rubber banding physics, App store, soft keyboard design, etc. Every other competitor have taken these things that Apple invented, but Apple can't occasionally draw influence from others as well?

People seem to forget that Apple was the one to really throw out the conventional desktop GUI mindset and create an entirely new metaphor for touchscreen computing. Apple literally invented the entire touch UI metaphor with those inventions. Those are the most basic things that people take for granted the most, but they are arguably the most impactful things from iOS.

I think Apples done their fair bit of contributing to the industry, there's nothing wrong with them drawing influence from others on some things where they are lacking.

Millah
Jun 7, 2011, 01:34 AM
Is there the possibility that you may accidentally dismiss the Notification Center when you scroll up? It occurred to me that if you have many notifications, and you wanted to use momentum scrolling to see the ones further down the list, you may flick the whole Notification Center back up by accident.

There's a handle at the very bottom of the panel. You have to grab the handle to dismiss the panel, so no it won't accidentally get dismissed just by scrolling down.

krischik
Jun 7, 2011, 01:51 AM
… App store, …

Apple did not invent the App Store. Handango, Pocketgear etc. pp had been there since the last millennium. That is unless you consider shackling the user to single store an “invention”.

… create an entirely new metaphor for touchscreen computing …

Sony Ericsson had touch screen GUIs for 5 years before Apple. And you could use them with your fingers. Not even the all touch screen GUI was new as the SE had detachable keyboards. Which of course means that SE had soft keyboard as well.

Apple did not invent all the stuff you mentioned. Apple improved on what was already there. Much like they improved on XEROX SmallTalk GUI when they released the original Macintosh.

Mr. Gates
Jun 7, 2011, 01:56 AM
In the Video posted for iOS 5 .

The girl outside with her iPad ......

The image on the iPad is a fake generated image.

In real like the glare would be so bad you couldnt see anything

It pops out like a cartoon.

I hope the next one has anti glare

trekkie604
Jun 7, 2011, 01:57 AM
I have apps from my Canadian, American and UK iTunes accounts on my iPhone, different apps on my iPad... How will the new OTA sync handle all of this?...

MacGit
Jun 7, 2011, 02:00 AM
There's some things I like about the new upgrade, but the one thing I'd really like is to be able to do is allocate a different sound to an incoming email. Y'know, so I can change the notification sound of an email or sms. I know I'm asking a lot, but that would be really cool. A bit like I could on my old Nokia 6680 that has been in the bottom of my kitchen drawer for about 3 years. The phone that could do emails, sms, video calls and erm... live TV including Sky News and Sky Sport.
Don't get me wrong, we are most certainly an Apple family here - our house looks like Fanboy Central. But a lot of these "updates' should have been included as standard on V1. To still not be able to do some basics like this I find quite incredible to be honest.
But hey!

Rodimus Prime
Jun 7, 2011, 02:03 AM
Right, and Apples inventing the entire touchscreen design metaphor is irrelevant? Finger-driven UI, Inertial scrolling, rubber banding physics, App store, soft keyboard design, etc. Every other competitor have taken these things that Apple invented, but Apple can't occasionally draw influence from others as well?
.

umm what are you talking about.

Apple did not invent touch screen UI. It was around for a while for example Palm.
Apple was not the first touch screen only phone.
Finger-driven UI. Again not first touch screen only phone.
Rubber banding physic. Not something Apple invented. They took it from sompleace else.
Not the first App Store. Handgo for example came a long time before it.
Soft keyboard design. Nope again. Like I said touch screen only phone came long before the iPhone.


Also the reason Apple is being insulted here is because both Apple and the Apple fans made such a big deal calling others copy cats. Apple has proven it is a huge hypocrite. Do not throw stones if you live in a glass House. Apple brought this on themselves.

Northgrove
Jun 7, 2011, 02:03 AM
Hopefully iOS 5 won't do to the 3GS what iOS 4 did to the 3G.
Yes; while I was surprised Apple was still going to support the 3GS for one more round, there's a slight risk of a hit to performance due to iCloud and checking for over-the-air updates for apps, photos, music, you-name-it. Hopefully it's not done too frequently. I read somewhere that it was just daily as for the "Backup" iCloud app, which sounds good.

Of course, if done a bit too frequently it may only show up in performance on 3GS, but in battery life across all devices. So it's in everyone's interest that it's well designed. :)

This is the only major new background service that I can think of, and that could hit 3GS. Except for the new Notifications system, but they have to mess up there to make a simple list view consume noticeably more performance than dialog boxes...

Northgrove
Jun 7, 2011, 02:10 AM
As for the "copycats" thing. IIRC, it was told in context of the iPad (in reference to 2010 being "Year of the iPad") -- not iOS, and not iPhone, and certainly not specifically about the Notifications system in Android.

I recall Apple was talking about tablets and others copying their form factor back then.

Context is important here.

Actually I think that was just a specific comment aimed for the Samsung tablet, but they didn't want to name names...

ph00ny
Jun 7, 2011, 03:17 AM
No kidding! Besides, theres only so many ways to invoke something on a touch screen. Its hard not to copy or be similar these days.

I mean some of you guys gave so much crap to samsung for touch wiz but now it's ok because there are only so many ways to invoke something on a touch screen?

Hopefully you're just joking...you're not actually comparing Amazon Cloud Storage to iCloud are you? Their system for having your music in the cloud is already archaic after today's announcements. The two don't even compare.

1. Amazon Cloud Storage isn't just for music
2. Some of the system sync is actually builtin to android 2.3. With the introduction of their music cloud service, it should be comparable

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3984/sc20110607041030.jpg
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n8236
Jun 7, 2011, 03:20 AM
While I applaud Apple for finally bringing these features to the iOS platform, I don't understand all the hype and wows and omgs and etc...

Everything that's being demonstrated is either already pre-exists...

1. tab browsing on the ipad - o wow -_- LOL

2. notification system - total android

3. camera button on the lock screen - i actually think that's a nice touch

4. game center - meh

5. lock screen information - android much? lol. try lockinfo instead. been using it forever and love it. long overdue, but i think ppl will love this.

6. wireless sync - this has existed too, but from cydia. i think this is a nice feature if it's integrated well.

Revolution? No.
Evolution? Just a little.

Compile 'em all
Jun 7, 2011, 03:20 AM
umm what are you talking about.

Apple did not invent touch screen UI. It was around for a while for example Palm.
Apple was not the first touch screen only phone.
Finger-driven UI. Again not first touch screen only phone.
Rubber banding physic. Not something Apple invented. They took it from sompleace else.
Not the first App Store. Handgo for example came a long time before it.
Soft keyboard design. Nope again. Like I said touch screen only phone came long before the iPhone.
.

It was never about what...it is about the how. The iPod wasn't the first mp3 player and the iPhone wasn't the first smartphone.

fabianjj
Jun 7, 2011, 04:29 AM
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I hope that it will completely replace SMS and MMS messages for the contacts that are on iOS devices in the messages app. So that if the recipient is using an iOS device you won't need to do things differently, but are given the improvements of encryption, not the limiting word count on SMS (usually not a problem these days unless you're paying for them individually or sending them to certain people with older phones that can't fuse the SMS together), or the limited image quality of an mms.

It would also be nice if they opened this up for developers to integrate other messaging systems like whatsapp, viber or different IM-platforms, which would allow you to send messages to anyone regardless of what network they're on.

It appears that iMessage is apart of the Messages app.

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/features.html#imessage

Excellent! Then i will probably get some use out of this!

octarine
Jun 7, 2011, 05:16 AM
How does someone with WhatsApp send me a message?

They send me a text message? So what is the point of Whatsapp, they can send me a text message without it.


The point of Whatsapp is that the text message/media sending is free.
The benefit of whatsapp is that the contact discovery is automatic, because every whatsapp account is tied to a phone number, and it cross-references all the numbers in your iphone addressbook with registered whatsapp users automatically. You never need to add a contact to whatsapp or tell someone your whatsapp ID. (Viber does the same for VoIP).
If apple don't crack this auto-discovery of imessage capabilities then there will be uptake issues. Apple ID is an email address. I don't have all my friends'/colleagues' AppleIDs stored in my phone, I *do* have all of their phone numbers, because it's a phone.
The cost of creating the whatsapp community is zero. It takes no effort on the part of the user. This is why it's so successful and why it has scared the crap out of mobile operators.
(how whatsapp can actually make money is left as an exercise for the reader)


With iMessage they can send me an iMessage because I have an iPhone.
As above, they can only do that if their iphone magically knows you also have an iphone.
If apple copy the whatsapp method of using phone numbers, iMessage will be wonderful.

appletastic
Jun 7, 2011, 05:32 AM
I don't get wireless sync. Is it exactly like plugging in your iphone with a cable only wireless?

The apple text neglects to mention music:

Wirelessly sync your iOS device to your Mac or PC over a shared Wi-Fi connection. Every time you connect your iOS device to a power source (say, overnight for charging), it automatically syncs and backs up any new content to iTunes. So you always have your movies, TV shows, home videos, and photo albums everywhere you want them.

Just saying...

It also says wireless sync TO iTunes.. not to and from iTunes.

hexx
Jun 7, 2011, 06:03 AM
iMessage - what's the point of it? as far as i know:

iChat - @me.com account
FaceTime - @me.com account
iMessage - @me.com account

can't they see it? it's the same account so why the hell do we have 3 apps for it where all we need is one!

Dusky600
Jun 7, 2011, 06:52 AM
Image (http://david.ashman.com/lockinfo/LockInfo1.png)

iOS5 Notification is just a copy of David Ashman LockInfo.

:eek:

wrong , its mostly the work of the guy that made mobilenotifier that was hired by apple.

Peter Hajas, see the link

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/03/apple-has-hired-mobilenotifier-developer-peter-hajas/


on another note, i have an iphone 4 , i've always used jailbreak.

ios 5 looks like i will finally go unjailbroken for a while, the new features, that already existed in other phones has everyone keeps reminding us, are a good thing.

i dont care who came up with it first, apple seems to be implementing them well, and ill bet it will turn out to be better than the majority, if not all, android phones.

keep going this way apple, take the best of everyone and make them better !

stop the bickering over who made what first. it's really pointless.

Dusky600
Jun 7, 2011, 07:06 AM
Im VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!!

Where are the WIDGETS??????

I wanted a homescreen change of look!! I hate having all the icons just there. I like more android homescreen with widgets and stuff...

STILL NO TASK MANAGER OR SYSTEM MANAGER??????

NO LIVE WALLPAPERS!!!! They look so cool on android... and I dont care about battery life, you can just turn them off...

It was NOT A MAJOR UPDATE!!

WIDGETS FOR GOD SAKE!!! I had them on symbian!!!

if you want android buy a dam android and stop caps locking :P

Dusky600
Jun 7, 2011, 07:10 AM
Yes, but David Ashman should be rewarded. Or hired ;).

they hired peter hajas instead ! :D

Pit!
Jun 7, 2011, 07:25 AM
If you're unhappy with Apple, don't buy their products. Simple.

Stop Whining.

macist34
Jun 7, 2011, 07:35 AM
Can anyone check Browsermark and Sunspider scores on iOS 5 ?

I'm curious to see if there are any enhancements on the engine side besides the reader, tabs, etc.

yellowballoon
Jun 7, 2011, 07:45 AM
While I applaud Apple for finally bringing these features to the iOS platform, I don't understand all the hype and wows and omgs and etc...

Everything that's being demonstrated is either already pre-exists...

1. tab browsing on the ipad - o wow -_- LOL

2. notification system - total android

3. camera button on the lock screen - i actually think that's a nice touch

4. game center - meh

5. lock screen information - android much? lol. try lockinfo instead. been using it forever and love it. long overdue, but i think ppl will love this.

6. wireless sync - this has existed too, but from cydia. i think this is a nice feature if it's integrated well.

Revolution? No.
Evolution? Just a little.

I'm sorry...Apple is a little late to the game this time and is one big copy cat. Windows Phone is already doing many of these features, including 25 GB of FREE space on a cloud, where photos NEVER expire. Wireless syncing? Already on Windows phone, 1 click camera button? Come on...Windows Phone.

Among the 500 (read 500, not a handful like iOS) new features coming to Windows Phone via Mango in September which have already been announced, Apple is copying these..

Apple has now built a split ergonomic keyboard into iOS 5. The feature is eerily similar to an identical keyboard that Microsoft revealed in Windows 8 recently.

Apple has integrated Twitter straight into iOS 5. You can tweet directly from Safari, Photos, Camera, YouTube or Maps. Microsoft is also building in Twitter integration deep into Windows Phone Mango

Background download service

Apple revealed its own background download service for Newsstand. The new feature lets magazines and newspaper app subscriptions download automatically. Windows Phone Mango also includes a similar service that application developers can build into their apps.

Apple introduced iMessage on Monday. You can send unlimited text messages via Wi-Fi or 3G from the iPad, iPhone or iPod Touch to anyone who has an iDevice. Windows Phone Mango has also introduced deeper integration of messaging services directly into the operating system.


iCloud auto photo uploads

Jobs also unveiled the ability for iOS to automatically upload pictures take from iOS devices. The pictures go into Apple’s iCloud system and are available for viewing online or on other devices. Windows Phone 7 also has an identical feature and uploads the pictures to Windows Live SkyDrive that gives you 25 GB of space, not 5GB. Lame

On top of that Mango will have visual search with Bing (snap a picture and hit search) , and voice recognition with Xbox Live. Don't even get me started on how Game Center is now getting avatars like Xbox Live...no comparison.

Apple is no longer leading the pack, they are running fast with everyone else and spoon feeding their so called innovations in their closed little world. Stop drinking the kool aid and masterbating over sexy hardware and maybe you'll see the world of Apple is starting to lose face.

krischik
Jun 7, 2011, 07:57 AM
stop the bickering over who made what first. it's really pointless.

True but it goes both ways.

And since the Apple fanboys and girls have shouted copycat first and loudest the have to stop first as well.

Project
Jun 7, 2011, 08:00 AM
The point of Whatsapp is that the text message/media sending is free.
The benefit of whatsapp is that the contact discovery is automatic, because every whatsapp account is tied to a phone number, and it cross-references all the numbers in your iphone addressbook with registered whatsapp users automatically. You never need to add a contact to whatsapp or tell someone your whatsapp ID. (Viber does the same for VoIP).
If apple don't crack this auto-discovery of imessage capabilities then there will be uptake issues. Apple ID is an email address. I don't have all my friends'/colleagues' AppleIDs stored in my phone, I *do* have all of their phone numbers, because it's a phone.
The cost of creating the whatsapp community is zero. It takes no effort on the part of the user. This is why it's so successful and why it has scared the crap out of mobile operators.
(how whatsapp can actually make money is left as an exercise for the reader)


As above, they can only do that if their iphone magically knows you also have an iphone.
If apple copy the whatsapp method of using phone numbers, iMessage will be wonderful.

iMessage uses both the registered phone number of the iPhone you are using and the Apple ID as the identifier. You can also add as many emails as you want (work, personal etc), in case people have one or the other.

jonnysods
Jun 7, 2011, 08:01 AM
Out of everything, iOS5 was what I was most excited about. So many improvements have been made to this that were so long overdue, I'm glad Apple came through. Not much complaining on the forums about this yet, so everyone else must agree!

Remember how so many were just wishing that you could cut and paste? This OS has come a long way, good to see.

yg17
Jun 7, 2011, 08:01 AM
True but it goes both ways.

And since the Apple fanboys and girls have shouted copycat first and loudest the have to stop first as well.

Exactly. It's not so much the copying that bothers me, it's the hypocrisy from Apple and their fanboys that bothers me.

Apple called 2011 the year of the copycats when they announced the iPad 2. All the fanboys go nuts about how Google, Samsung, etc, are stealing from Apple and how they're a bunch of unoriginal thieves. 3 months later, they announce iOS 5, whose major new features are copies from Android, webOS and WP7. Not a peep from the fanboys. Not even an admission that the new features were heavily inspired by the competition. All I hear from them is that the new features in iOS 5 are new, revolutionary, game changers, etc. But they're not. When the competition has had a feature for years, it's not new, not revolutionary, and not a game changer.

sotorious
Jun 7, 2011, 08:15 AM
Exactly. It's not so much the copying that bothers me, it's the hypocrisy from Apple and their fanboys that bothers me.

Apple called 2011 the year of the copycats when they announced the iPad 2. All the fanboys go nuts about how Google, Samsung, etc, are stealing from Apple and how they're a bunch of unoriginal thieves. 3 months later, they announce iOS 5, whose major new features are copies from Android, webOS and WP7. Not a peep from the fanboys. Not even an admission that the new features were heavily inspired by the competition. All I hear from them is that the new features in iOS 5 are new, revolutionary, game changers, etc. But they're not. When the competition has had a feature for years, it's not new, not revolutionary, and not a game changer.

Took the words out of my mouth.

Dusky600
Jun 7, 2011, 08:19 AM
True but it goes both ways.

And since the Apple fanboys and girls have shouted copycat first and loudest the have to stop first as well.

what is this ? grade school ? why fuel a stupid behaviour ??

shk718
Jun 7, 2011, 08:20 AM
it doesn't look like the weather widget is on the unlock screen - at least in this build - i hope they add it!!!!!

Scrib
Jun 7, 2011, 08:27 AM
Does Apple have plans to allow for the syncing and frankly the ability to use Apple TV WITHOUT having iTunes open? The idea of being able to come home, throw my iphone on the charger and not having to worry about opening iTunes is obviously very appealing. Same goes for having to run into the den (or my nearest Mac) to fire up iTunes before being able to leverage the media in iTunes.

But the wireless sync is mostly meaningless if iTunes still has to be active.

Thoughts?

Aviboy97
Jun 7, 2011, 08:38 AM
For some reason, I get the feeling that iOS 5 is rather temporary until we see the new iPhone4S/5/4G....or whatever they will call it. These features were badly needed for the iPhone and were obviously features that Andriod users were touting for quite some time now.

Is iOS 5 "revolutionary"? Definitely not. Leave it to Apple to make a big hoopla over existing technology. You have to give Apple credit here though...they do know how to put on a show!

What is all comes down to is user experience. This is where Apple still has an advantage, regardless of available features. Apple has such a tremendous advantage over availavle apps, a more user friendly UI and proven reliability.

I know that my iPhone4 does not have as many features, or 4G connectivity like some available Andriod phones, but, I will never trade my user experience and practicality for tech specs. Ever.

yellowballoon
Jun 7, 2011, 08:47 AM
For some reason, I get the feeling that iOS 5 is rather temporary until we see the new iPhone4S/5/4G....or whatever they will call it. These features were badly needed for the iPhone and were obviously features that Andriod users were touting for quite some time now.

Is iOS 5 "revolutionary"? Definitely not. Leave it to Apple to make a big hoopla over existing technology. You have to give Apple credit here though...they do know how to put on a show!

What is all comes down to is user experience. This is where Apple still has an advantage, regardless of available features. Apple has such a tremendous advantage over availavle apps, a more user friendly UI and proven reliability.

I know that my iPhone4 does not have as many features, or 4G connectivity like some available Andriod phones, but, I will never trade my user experience and practicality for tech specs. Ever.

Yeah but your user experience is in a box..how can you see when Apple put you in that box, and their "show" as you called it, has you still believing in un-truths?

More friendly UI..certainly your view from inside the Apple box. My opinion? Live Tiles from WP7 and the metro UI is more user friendly.
Proven reliability ? Not sure about Android, but WP7, I never have issues. Again, inside your Apple box, you believe Apple is the only one with these user experiences.

I guess when someone puts on a "show" to hide the real truth.."no new innovations".. just look out back, there is someone with the strings. It's BS.

Sackvillenb
Jun 7, 2011, 09:03 AM
Honestly... I don't give two craps about who copies who. I just want the product I use to be better.

Quite frankly, if every company copied (and then built upon) the best ideas of every other company... that would simply create a rapid and progressive evolution towards better products.

Are these changes to ios revolutionary in the sense that they didn't exist before and now Apple invented them? Nope. Are they revolutionary in the sense that it makes Apple's ios products way better? Yes.

I'm not a fanboy of anything... and in fact, I hate fanboys of any type with a passion. But anything that makes an Apple product better is a good thing. And really, anything that makes competing platforms like Android or Windows better is also a good thing, because it should (SHOULD) force Apple into stepping up their game.

Did BMW or Mercedes or Lamborghini or Ferrari invent the combustion engine? Nope. But do they all do amazing things with the combustion engine? Yes.

Unless you are an engineer who works for google or microsoft or apple or samsung or whoever, you don't really have a vested interest in any of these companies. What does it matter which seems the best? Does it help your ego to think you have the best phone or computer? If so... you need to take a serious look at yourself, and at your life.

Buy the product you like. And if you like it, keep it. If you don't like it, get something else. But it doesn't matter who copies who... because EVERY one of these companies copies each other. All the time. What matters is that all of these products are improving and getting better.

Aviboy97
Jun 7, 2011, 09:26 AM
Yeah but your user experience is in a box..how can you see when Apple put you in that box, and their "show" as you called it, has you still believing in un-truths?

More friendly UI..certainly your view from inside the Apple box. My opinion? Live Tiles from WP7 and the metro UI is more user friendly.
Proven reliability ? Not sure about Android, but WP7, I never have issues. Again, inside your Apple box, you believe Apple is the only one with these user experiences.

I guess when someone puts on a "show" to hide the real truth.."no new innovations".. just look out back, there is someone with the strings. It's BS.

In a box? Get real....WP7 is an infant compared to iOS. Reliability and Windows do not go together, so, don't even try and go there.

What "real truth" are you referring to? Are you some sort of conspiracy theorist? Who is pulling what strings?

So, because you have a different opinion than me, it makes me wrong and you right? Sorry, after being burned for years with Windows products, they lost my business forever.

My wife owns a DriodX, and I do not find it as easy to use as the iPhone. I already said it does things my iPhone cannot, but, I don't care. I'm not a tech geek and could care less about tech specs. I want a phone that works right and does what I want it to do. The iPhone does that, for me.

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 7, 2011, 09:33 AM
It was never about what...it is about the how. The iPod wasn't the first mp3 player and the iPhone wasn't the first smartphone.

I think you missed the point. The point is Apple copies as well.

ranReloaded
Jun 7, 2011, 09:45 AM
Everyone and their mother bitched so much about the 'flawed' notifications of iOS, but now that I have installed the beta, my empty Notification Center widget looks so lame... :eek:

ranReloaded
Jun 7, 2011, 09:49 AM
Yeah but your user experience is in a box..how can you see when Apple put you in that box, and their "show" as you called it, has you still believing in un-truths?

More friendly UI..certainly your view from inside the Apple box. My opinion? Live Tiles from WP7 and the metro UI is more user friendly.
Proven reliability ? Not sure about Android, but WP7, I never have issues. Again, inside your Apple box, you believe Apple is the only one with these user experiences.

I guess when someone puts on a "show" to hide the real truth.."no new innovations".. just look out back, there is someone with the strings. It's BS.

...Says someone who never got out of the "Windows", "Office" and "Internet Explorer" boxes, I guess?

ranReloaded
Jun 7, 2011, 09:53 AM
Hopefully iOS 5 won't do to the 3GS what iOS 4 did to the 3G.

My experience is:

iOS 5 doesn't do to the 3GS what iOS 4.2+ did to the 3GS.

Before today, entering/exiting "icon rearrange mode" would take 2-3 seconds on my 3GS. Now the beta solved it.

Of course, other people I know with a 3GS didn't have the issue to begin with...

Aviboy97
Jun 7, 2011, 09:57 AM
My experience is:

iOS 5 doesn't do to the 3GS what iOS 4.2+ did to the 3GS.

Before today, entering/exiting "icon rearrange mode" would take 2-3 seconds on my 3GS. Now the beta solved it.

Of course, other people I know with a 3GS didn't have the issue to begin with...

Are you a developer?

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 7, 2011, 09:59 AM
...Says someone who never got out of the "Windows", "Office" and "Internet Explorer" boxes, I guess?

Looks like Apple's box wasn't working as planned so they needed to take a few corners from Blackberry and Android. I'm sure Steve, the Pot, and the Kettle had a great lunch meeting talking about iOS "Notification Center".

mcmlxix
Jun 7, 2011, 10:01 AM
Did anyone notice that they didn't change the iOS UI? Wasn’t that one of the biggest expectations (besides notifications) in this forum?

On another note, I’m most pleased that Camera can be accessed from the lock screen and there is now a “real” shutter button.

ranReloaded
Jun 7, 2011, 10:01 AM
The Apple Box is much better than a Dell Box :D

ecapdeville
Jun 7, 2011, 10:08 AM
Image (http://david.ashman.com/lockinfo/LockInfo1.png)

iOS5 Notification is just a copy of David Ashman LockInfo.

:eek:

But now you wont need to jailbreak...

Mattie Num Nums
Jun 7, 2011, 10:12 AM
The Apple Box is much better than a Dell Box :D

That's your opinion. I agree with you but again not a valid argument.

Azathoth
Jun 7, 2011, 11:36 AM
Nope, not at all. I don't want a phone that last barely a day and having to rely on task managers.


Pure FUD - half of my office use Android phones, without task managers and they last as long as their iPhone counterparts (e.g. around 24-30hours with moderate usage, or 12hours when making a lot of calls.

macUser2007
Jun 7, 2011, 12:27 PM
Wow. That was fun. I can not wait for iOS 5. I loved notifications and iMessaging.

Fall seems so far. Le sigh.

If you had gotten an Android phone, you would have had them for a long time.

Widgets, too.

Apple copied these wholesale from Android.

If Google was like Apple, there would have been a lawsuit filed already....

RafaelT
Jun 7, 2011, 12:31 PM
If you had gotten an Android phone, you would have had them for a long time.

Widgets, too.

Apple copied these wholesale from Android.

If Google was like Apple, there would have been a lawsuit filed already....

Right, because widgets had never been heard of before Android right?

John.B
Jun 7, 2011, 12:38 PM
If you had gotten an Android phone, you would have had them for a long time.

Widgets, too.
And a sucktastic user experience, to boot. :eek:

Apple copied these wholesale from Android.

If Google was like Apple, there would have been a lawsuit filed already....
Really? When, exactly, did Apple sue Google??? Or did you make that up, just now? :p

ph00ny
Jun 7, 2011, 01:03 PM
And a sucktastic user experience, to boot. :eek:


Really? When, exactly, did Apple sue Google??? Or did you make that up, just now? :p

I thought that's what apple was doing by going after every android handset manufacturer one by one

Lennholm
Jun 7, 2011, 01:17 PM
I've been hearing the 'LOL APPLE THE NEW MICROSOFT' line for the past 10 years.. what the ****ing hell is it supposed to mean? You're pathetic.

You would have bitched if they didn't add the features. You bitch when they add them. Pretty much every modern ****ing mobile OS in existence was based on the original iOS. How many possible way can notifications be created in a way that is logical and useable on a 3.5in screen? How would Apple has done them in an 'original' way, in which you would have been pleased? If they were in a random language and holographic? Or if you had to invoke a 7 finger gesture to invoke them? Stop your trolling. Not every new addition can be OMFG THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE BY ANYONE.

Every modern mobile OS based on iOS!? Well, maybe Android to some extent, but Symbian has been along for alot longer than iOS and, in all it's crappiness, doesn't work anything like iOS. WebOS is not like iOS at all, and Windows Phone used, until recently, the same UI it had before iOS, and when it recently was overhauled it took a radically different approach.
The "how many ways can this and that be done"-argument that you usually hear from Android fans, I hope you remember it the next time you feel the urge to bash Samsung for copying iOS' "unique" icon grid design.

As for the "copycats" thing. IIRC, it was told in context of the iPad (in reference to 2010 being "Year of the iPad") -- not iOS, and not iPhone, and certainly not specifically about the Notifications system in Android.

I recall Apple was talking about tablets and others copying their form factor back then.

Context is important here.

Actually I think that was just a specific comment aimed for the Samsung tablet, but they didn't want to name names...

Apple has been using the term 'copycats' about their competitors all the time, in all contexts. And why would your point matter anyway? It's not ok to accuse someone of being a copycat in regards to a particular product if you're just as bad of a copycat yourself with another product.

It was never about what...it is about the how. The iPod wasn't the first mp3 player and the iPhone wasn't the first smartphone.

That every one elses implementation wasn't any good is juts a subjective opinion and meaningless when discussing who invented something.

In a box? Get real....WP7 is an infant compared to iOS. Reliability and Windows do not go together, so, don't even try and go there.

What "real truth" are you referring to? Are you some sort of conspiracy theorist? Who is pulling what strings?

So, because you have a different opinion than me, it makes me wrong and you right? Sorry, after being burned for years with Windows products, they lost my business forever.

My wife owns a DriodX, and I do not find it as easy to use as the iPhone. I already said it does things my iPhone cannot, but, I don't care. I'm not a tech geek and could care less about tech specs. I want a phone that works right and does what I want it to do. The iPhone does that, for me.

I bet you have zero experience with WP7, probably same with W7

maclaptop
Jun 7, 2011, 01:30 PM
" NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- When Apple CEO Steve Jobs unveiled the new iCloud service and updates to the iPhone, iPad and Macintosh software on Monday, most of the new features sounded, well, familiar.

Many of the newly announced tools in Mac OS X Lion, iOS 5 and iCloud already existed for Mac, iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch users in the form of downloadable third-party applications from Apple's App Store. "

Yep, no sooner does Apple unleash it's Pit Bull Legal Team on Samsung, then the King Of Hypocrites spends yesterday showing off all the ideas APPLE STOLE from developers contributing to the app store.

What a game Apples running. John Gotti would be proud :)



**************/yI2t78

wovel
Jun 7, 2011, 01:34 PM
Every modern mobile OS based on iOS!? Well, maybe Android to some extent, but Symbian has been along for alot longer than iOS and, in all it's crappiness, doesn't work anything like iOS. WebOS is not like iOS at all, and Windows Phone used, until recently, the same UI it had before iOS, and when it recently was overhauled it took a radically different approach.

He did say modern...Symbian is a has been, so is the OLD windows mobile you mentioned. WebOS would not exist if not for iOS.

KingCrimson
Jun 7, 2011, 01:37 PM
There are 100 million iOS devices out there compared to how many Android/Wp7 ones? Remember every iOS devices is gold and most Android/Wp7 is junk.

Aviboy97
Jun 7, 2011, 01:48 PM
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I bet you have zero experience with WP7, probably same with W7[/QUOTE]


Why would I bother with WP7? A poor selling, late to the market appliance designed by a company with a history of producing sub-par operating systems. Granted, it has gotten decent reviews, but, I will not give Mr. Gates a single penny if I can help it.

I use W7 and home and work, and not by choice. Is there anything else you would like to claim you know about me?

KingCrimson
Jun 7, 2011, 01:50 PM
I use W7 and home and work, and not by choice. Is there anything else you would like to claim you know about me?

Poor thing, it must be torture to use Windows 7. :(

Aviboy97
Jun 7, 2011, 01:50 PM
There are 100 million iOS devices out there compared to how many Android/Wp7 ones? Remember every iOS devices is gold and most Android/Wp7 is junk.

I believe it is 200 million....

tigress666
Jun 7, 2011, 01:53 PM
Here is a random question.

For the messaging center, does anyone know/have theories on whether you'll need a texting plan or not? I can't imagine Verizon or AT&T would be happy if you don't need one.