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DeltaHF
Jun 6, 2011, 05:24 PM
I'm an iOS developer, and I'm considering installing the iOS 5 Developer Preview on my iPhone 4 to take advantage of the new features and begin testing my own applications. Are these "beta" iOS releases generally stable enough to use on a daily basis? Is this a bad idea for my personal, primary cell phone?

I'd appreciate input from any of you who may have already upgraded to iOS 5 or have used developer preview versions of iOS before.



DDustiNN
Jun 6, 2011, 05:33 PM
I am considering installing iOS 5 too, since I have a developer account, and I would genuinely like to know the answers to the OP's question... :(

RafaelT
Jun 6, 2011, 05:37 PM
Wondering the same thing. I am ok with new features being buggy and not working. But I need the core features to be stable enough so I can still use my phone, I don't have a test device.

Branskins
Jun 6, 2011, 05:44 PM
I am just going to go for it. If there are major bugs, hopefully they are willing to fix them quickly OTA!

Hansr
Jun 6, 2011, 06:00 PM
Using beta software on a primary device is generally a really bad idea, especially something as essential as a phone. If you are an active developer grab a iPod touch or a second iPhone to use as a dev device.

RafaelT
Jun 6, 2011, 06:01 PM
So can anyone help a new developer with the whole install process and what needs to be done in terms of registering the device?

I just signed up a few days ago and I think I have it figured out but I want to be sure.

Hansr
Jun 6, 2011, 06:05 PM
Had a read through this yet?

http://guides.macrumors.com/Cocoa_FAQ

RafaelT
Jun 6, 2011, 06:07 PM
Yes, my biggest thing is figuring out exactly what I need to register and where on the dev site so I can install it on my phone.

iPhone4UK
Jun 6, 2011, 06:07 PM
Love to know this too. Anyone tried it?

mms13
Jun 6, 2011, 10:05 PM
I installed the iOS 5 beta and have been playing with it for a few hours. It's pretty stable, but there are some bugs. Just realize this, and the fact that you won't be able to go back to 4.3.x (without some 3rd party ****). If you're ok with that I'd say go for it...it's really cool.

jamesvdm
Jun 6, 2011, 11:30 PM
It's pretty stable, but there are some bugs.

Care to elaborate?

phaistonian
Jun 7, 2011, 12:34 AM
Here are some iOS Beta issues:


Notifications on lock screen not working.
Weather Widget not working.
iTunes sync + Software update options on Settings not working (for me at least).
Take photo option from lock screen rarely working.
Some minor WiFi issues.
Tweetbot.app has some graphic glitches.


I am sure there are more.

In closure, it's working pretty okay, yet I 'd advice you to install it on an iPad first and see how it will go.

RodThePlod
Jun 7, 2011, 12:43 AM
In closure, it's working pretty okay, yet I 'd advice you to install it on an iPad first and see how it will go.

I've installed on my iPad as if things become unusable, it's not the end of the world. Last year we had horrendous issues with wi-fi continually dropping on most of the earlier betas of 4.x and so there's no way I'll put the the first beta on my primary device (iPhone).

RTP.

RafaelT
Jun 7, 2011, 05:01 AM
I went ahead and installed it on my iPhone. It really is pretty stable, I have not noticed any major issues. If you are a heavy user that already gets low on battery by the end of the day be careful, from my experience it is eating through battery a lot quicker right now, I am sure that will be taken care of in future betas.

Phil A.
Jun 7, 2011, 05:13 AM
Here are some iOS Beta issues:


Notifications on lock screen not working.
Weather Widget not working.
iTunes sync + Software update options on Settings not working (for me at least).
Take photo option from lock screen rarely working.
Some minor WiFi issues.
Tweetbot.app has some graphic glitches.


I am sure there are more.

In closure, it's working pretty okay, yet I 'd advice you to install it on an iPad first and see how it will go.

Notifications were a bit shaky at first for me, but have started working fine this morning (you need to make sure you turn on the options to show them on the lock screen too)
Weather widget works fine for me
iTunes Sync not available in this beta (it's in the release notes)
Update issues I guess caused by no server being available at the moment
Take photo from lock screen works fine for me
Not seen any issues with Wifi and don't use Tweetbot

For me, it seems a very stable release: I haven't found a 3rd party app that doesn't work yet.

In fact, the only issue I've found is that home sharing to the iOS device is really messed up: TV show titles don't get pulled across, thumbnails are all wrong and if you make metadata changes to an item in your iTunes library, it crashes the Music / Video app whenever you try and connect subsequently. I would say Home Sharing is so broken as to be unusable at the moment. I don't use it on my iPhone so it's not an issue, but I do use it on my iPad so I'm not upgrading that at the moment.

One good thing that I've not seen mentioned elsewhere is that Airplay is now enabled by default for apps, website videos, etc (previously it was disabled by default and apps / sites had to add tags to enable it)

Another nice feature which I hope isn't a bug and is there by design is that you can start the camera app without unlocking the phone but if it's locked, you can't see any of the photos from the camera app (even ones you have just taken). I was a bit concerned that the camera from the lock screen might be a security hole giving people access to all your photos, but it looks like Apple have thought about that...

RafaelT
Jun 7, 2011, 05:36 AM
"iTunes Sync not available in this beta (it's in the release notes)"

iTunes sync works, it is wifi sync that is not available.

As for the camera app, they did a nice job on that security wise, I think what you mentioned is a feature not a bug.

Luke Redpath
Jun 7, 2011, 05:48 AM
FWIW, and without going into any details due to the NDA, I don't think iOS 5 is anywhere near prime time yet; it's very buggy and I'd advise sticking to iOS 4 if it's your only device you intend to install on.

mms13
Jun 7, 2011, 09:37 AM
Here are some iOS Beta issues:


Notifications on lock screen not working.
Weather Widget not working.
iTunes sync + Software update options on Settings not working (for me at least).
Take photo option from lock screen rarely working.
Some minor WiFi issues.
Tweetbot.app has some graphic glitches.


I am sure there are more.

In closure, it's working pretty okay, yet I 'd advice you to install it on an iPad first and see how it will go.
I'm not experiencing any of these except the wireless sync issue (and tweetbot but thats 3rd party aka non-issue). Try rebooting.

FWIW, and without going into any details due to the NDA, I don't think iOS 5 is anywhere near prime time yet; it's very buggy and I'd advise sticking to iOS 4 if it's your only device you intend to install on.
Strongly disagree. Not very buggy at all. Installed on my primary iPhone 4 and I'm loving it.

RodThePlod
Jun 7, 2011, 09:46 AM
Strongly disagree. Not very buggy at all. Installed on my primary iPhone 4 and I'm loving it.

Just 'cos you don't see the bugs, don't mean they ain't there ;)

RTP.

Luke Redpath
Jun 7, 2011, 10:05 AM
Strongly disagree. Not very buggy at all. Installed on my primary iPhone 4 and I'm loving it.

If you've not come across bugs, then you haven't tested it enough. It's not ready for prime time. At all. I've just downgraded back to iOS 4. Apple's advice to only install this on development/testing devices is sound. I wouldn't recommend it for any other purpose right now.

RafaelT
Jun 7, 2011, 10:06 AM
Just 'cos you don't see the bugs, don't mean they ain't there ;)

+1

There definitly are bugs, and they are popping up more and more as I use it. None of them are show stoppers though as long as your willing to deal with some things not working and a reboot or crash every so often.

To strongly disagree that a beta doesn't have many bugs is kinda silly, that is the point of it being a beta.

dcranston
Jun 7, 2011, 10:32 AM
If you've not come across bugs, then you haven't tested it enough. It's not ready for prime time. At all. I've just downgraded back to iOS 4. Apple's advice to only install this on development/testing devices is sound. I wouldn't recommend it for any other purpose right now.

You do realize you've cut your credibility by about 90% with this comment, right? "I've just downgraded back to iOS 4." Care to elaborate how you did that?

As the release notes say: "Devices updated to iOS 5 beta can not be restored to earlier versions of iOS. Devices will be able to upgrade to future beta releases and the final iOS 5 software."

That's right, it's irreversible. (I can corroborate this.) So you've determined iOS 5 isn't ready for prime time (obviously, it's a beta), say it's very buggy but can't elaborate what the bugs are, and somehow managed to hack a way to downgrade your iPhone to iOS 4, even though it's not possible.

isaaclimdc
Jun 7, 2011, 10:37 AM
So what's the general consensus here? I read on a thread on the Apple Developer Forums that third-party apps don't launch at all. This true?

Hansr
Jun 7, 2011, 10:39 AM
You do realize you've cut your credibility by about 90% with this comment, right? "I've just downgraded back to iOS 4." Care to elaborate how you did that?

As the release notes say: "Devices updated to iOS 5 beta can not be restored to earlier versions of iOS. Devices will be able to upgrade to future beta releases and the final iOS 5 software."

That's right, it's irreversible. (I can corroborate this.) So you've determined iOS 5 isn't ready for prime time (obviously, it's a beta), say it's very buggy but can't elaborate what the bugs are, and somehow managed to hack a way to downgrade your iPhone to iOS 4, even though it's not possible.

There are a few reported cases in the comments here:
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/06/if-you-install-ios-5-you-cant-go-back/

Seems just like every beta update since they started checking for signing with Apple servers.

jsimmons
Jun 7, 2011, 10:40 AM
Running beta is always risky, there are prices to bleeding edge.

The biggest thing I will add is this.

If you are thinking about running the beta do the following first:

Sync your phone with itunes
Copy your the resulting backup to another location (betas have been known to accidentally overide backups, it happened to my business partner this morning)
Sync your photos
Make sure everything important is backed up

The idea is that just because you are taking the risk to run the beta doesn't mean you should risk losing data.

The beta has its bugs, like others have said. I've not come across any that hinder life but who knows what will should in a week or so.

Proceed with caution.

Luke Redpath
Jun 7, 2011, 10:41 AM
You do realize you've cut your credibility by about 90% with this comment, right? "I've just downgraded back to iOS 4." Care to elaborate how you did that?

As the release notes say: "Devices updated to iOS 5 beta can not be restored to earlier versions of iOS. Devices will be able to upgrade to future beta releases and the final iOS 5 software."

That's right, it's irreversible. (I can corroborate this.) So you've determined iOS 5 isn't ready for prime time (obviously, it's a beta), say it's very buggy but can't elaborate what the bugs are, and somehow managed to hack a way to downgrade your iPhone to iOS 4, even though it's not possible.

How rude. What's your problem?

If you are publicly calling me a liar, then you may want to rescind that comment. You have absolutely no idea who I am of course, but I'm a professional developer who is happy to post under my real name and not an alias, has worked with the iOS SDK since it originally launched and am proud of my reputation amongst my peers. I await your public apology.

You can corroborate all you like; I certainly didn't imagine downgrading to iOS 4 this morning...all I did was:

a) Download the iOS 4.3.3 restore IPSW
b) Open the Xcode organizer and restored my phone to using the ISPW
c) Launched iTunes to re-activate
d) Restored from the backup I took before I upgraded last night.

YMMV, naturally, but it worked for me no problem. Obviously, I had already investigated this and spoken to others to see what success they had in downgrading before proceeding.

My post was nothing more than a warning to those who were thinking about installing a buggy beta that isn't ready to be used on an everyday phone. Clearly, I can't go into specifics because unlike some developers on here, I prefer to respect the NDA that I agreed to.

EDIT: just to clarify, regarding downgrading, and to add to my YMMV statement above: I have only tested downgrading on an iPhone 4. Results on any other device may vary.

mms13
Jun 7, 2011, 10:45 AM
If you've not come across bugs, then you haven't tested it enough. It's not ready for prime time. At all. I've just downgraded back to iOS 4. Apple's advice to only install this on development/testing devices is sound. I wouldn't recommend it for any other purpose right now.
I didn't say I haven't found any bugs, I just disagreed when you called it 'very buggy'. You keep warning people not to download it on their every day device. I'm telling people I've done exactly that with zero repercussions.

So what's the general consensus here? I read on a thread on the Apple Developer Forums that third-party apps don't launch at all. This true?
Not true. All of my 3rd party apps are working.

Luke Redpath
Jun 7, 2011, 10:47 AM
I didn't say I haven't found any bugs, I just disagreed when you called it 'very buggy'. You keep warning people not to download it on their every day device. I'm telling people I've done exactly that with zero repercussions.

I am and will continue to warn people not to install it on their everyday device, just the same as Apple do. If you rely on your phone on a daily basis you may want to think twice about putting software that is clearly several months away from prime time.

RafaelT
Jun 7, 2011, 10:49 AM
So what's the general consensus here? I read on a thread on the Apple Developer Forums that third-party apps don't launch at all. This true?

They work for me, some don't function properly though.

bendodson
Jun 7, 2011, 10:50 AM
You do realize you've cut your credibility by about 90% with this comment, right? "I've just downgraded back to iOS 4." Care to elaborate how you did that?

As the release notes say: "Devices updated to iOS 5 beta can not be restored to earlier versions of iOS. Devices will be able to upgrade to future beta releases and the final iOS 5 software."

That's right, it's irreversible. (I can corroborate this.) So you've determined iOS 5 isn't ready for prime time (obviously, it's a beta), say it's very buggy but can't elaborate what the bugs are, and somehow managed to hack a way to downgrade your iPhone to iOS 4, even though it's not possible.

As an iOS Developer running iOS 5, I can confirm that a) it's very very buggy (these betas always are) and b) it is possible to go back.

Bugs - leaving the iPad 2 in standby for more than 5 minutes results in it needing a hard reset, various memory leaks on both iPad and iPhone (very sluggish response even on an iPhone 4 sometimes), and yes, a lot of 3rd party apps crash on startup. However, it is stable enough to use as a phone, for email, for messaging, and for Twitter (on the iPhone at least - the iPad 2 issue is a bit harder to get around). Oh, and there are no background wallpapers... that sucks.

Downgrading - it has always been trivial to downgrade betas to the previous stable release, Apple just always put a load of warnings up in case you accidentally brick your iPhone. Evidently you cut your credibility by not checking out with somebody who knows what they are doing...?

Just a helpful tip - respect what other people say and maybe they'll respect what you say. No need to call someone out as a liar because you were misinformed.

skafia
Jun 7, 2011, 11:48 AM
Everything works on my iPad 2 but any App that I download from the App Store crashes upon load. Even official Apple apps.

iPad & iPhone has no wallpaper selection. I love the new notifications though! So clean!

This is Beta software, try it at your own risk. BTW, it's just a phone. If you are scared to test it then it's not for you.

gfury
Jun 7, 2011, 12:00 PM
A few things to be mindful of running the beta on iPad2 CDMA -

Home Sharing music and movies is definitely buggy - as mentioned by others.

The Weather Channel, Air Video Netflix, Hulu Plus, iHeartRadio, and HBO Go are all not working - meaning they crash instantly or do not stream video.

Some RAW image files will display as pixelated for the thumbnail but work correctly when selected.

Some images saved to the camera roll crash the Photos app when selected

Split keyboard when used in iMessage sometimes will cover message thread, until dismissed and then summoned again by tapping the text entry field.

Airplay Mirroring is AWESOME. However, it still will not let you get Hulu Plus to output onto an Apple TV 2.

Haven't got to test many games or anything else yet (still have about 130 apps to go!) but all of the Apple apps appear to be working fine.

Oh, and Facetime video quality is MINIMALLY better on iPad 2.

nickbedford
Jun 7, 2011, 08:55 PM
I have a problem.

E-mail won't send. It just does nothing when I hit Send. I didn't even realise it wasn't sending until I tried to test it and went into Sent mail and none of my previous real emails had sent!

That's using the Gmail account option with Google Apps e-mails.

cassians
Jun 8, 2011, 11:06 AM
So far I can't see it being like horrendously buggy, but yes it is still for sure not ready to be released.

The biggest problem I find is that my email won't pop up in notification center or on lock screen. Anyone else have this problem?? :confused:

jbennardo
Jun 8, 2011, 11:13 AM
So far I can't see it being like horrendously buggy, but yes it is still for sure not ready to be released.

The biggest problem I find is that my email won't pop up in notification center or on lock screen. Anyone else have this problem?? :confused:

Been running it since day one. Buggy? yes, but not the doom and gloom you may hear. Again, just be prepared for things to not be completely polished and some apps not working. Most of my every day stuff has been working just fine.

For emails in the notification center, just make sure you have that turned on. You have to configure what you want in the notification center and on your lock screen. THere are some defaults but just double check. In settings, you can also tap "edit" and change the order in which things appear in the list.

Have fun!

bbhegedus
Jun 8, 2011, 11:31 AM
IT IS STABLE ENOUGH FOR DAILY USE

Good idea to do after you restore to iOS 5, is to do a hard reset. It'll fix any battery issues and eliminate the lagginess almost all together.

monsieurpaul
Jun 8, 2011, 02:22 PM
Has anybody installed it on a 3GS ?
I'm wondering if it could be worth it to find an used 3GS on ebay and use it as a development unit.

Tubamajuba
Jun 8, 2011, 07:22 PM
Has anybody installed it on a 3GS ?
I'm wondering if it could be worth it to find an used 3GS on ebay and use it as a development unit.

From what I've heard from those who have installed it on a 3GS, it seems to work fine. Can't say much more than that though, unfortunately.

On a slightly unrelated note, the sync icon in the status bar will NOT go away on my iPhone 4, and every time I restart the phone I get a "Some items not restored" popup that says "This content is not currently available for re-download". Nothing I've tried has gotten rid of this, so I am tempted to chalk this up as a bug. Still, it's been running amazingly smooth besides that minor annoyance, and even better than 4.3.3 in some aspects!

opdoraya
Jun 9, 2011, 12:35 AM
yes it is stable enough. Some bugs are dictionary is not opening. no wallpaper to select.In safari when u link page put address & click on send it crashes. No wifi sync. Byline also crashes some time.In photo there is no Places tab. i am also thinking to downgrade is there simple way like putting in DFu mode & restoring 4.3.3 ispw.

opdoraya
Jun 9, 2011, 12:47 AM
How rude. What's your problem?

If you are publicly calling me a liar, then you may want to rescind that comment. You have absolutely no idea who I am of course, but I'm a professional developer who is happy to post under my real name and not an alias, has worked with the iOS SDK since it originally launched and am proud of my reputation amongst my peers. I await your public apology.

You can corroborate all you like; I certainly didn't imagine downgrading to iOS 4 this morning...all I did was:

a) Download the iOS 4.3.3 restore IPSW
b) Open the Xcode organizer and restored my phone to using the ISPW
c) Launched iTunes to re-activate
d) Restored from the backup I took before I upgraded last night.

YMMV, naturally, but it worked for me no problem. Obviously, I had already investigated this and spoken to others to see what success they had in downgrading before proceeding.

My post was nothing more than a warning to those who were thinking about installing a buggy beta that isn't ready to be used on an everyday phone. Clearly, I can't go into specifics because unlike some developers on here, I prefer to respect the NDA that I agreed to.

EDIT: just to clarify, regarding downgrading, and to add to my YMMV statement above: I have only tested downgrading on an iPhone 4. Results on any other device may vary.
I don`t have Xcode organizer is there any other way to downgrade to 4.3.3 I have the restore 4.3.3 IPSW

cassians
Jun 9, 2011, 12:54 AM
For emails in the notification center, just make sure you have that turned on. You have to configure what you want in the notification center and on your lock screen. THere are some defaults but just double check. In settings, you can also tap "edit" and change the order in which things appear in the list.

I went through all those options... I'm wondering now if it's because I have my Gmail set up as a Microsoft Exchange push account instead of the Gmail fetch setup?

Thanks for the help tho and I'll keep trying to figure this out!!! :D

cmhsam
Jun 9, 2011, 07:02 AM
Do you have to use xcode and set your phone as "use for development"? I am trying to install ios 5 on my iphone 4 and whenever it tries to install it says there was an error.

Just signed up to be a developer two days ago for ios 5

RafaelT
Jun 9, 2011, 09:17 AM
Do you have to use xcode and set your phone as "use for development"? I am trying to install ios 5 on my iphone 4 and whenever it tries to install it says there was an error.

Just signed up to be a developer two days ago for ios 5

Use Xcode to set it up for development and to install it.

jennemmy
Jun 9, 2011, 10:10 AM
I installed on 3GS and things are running fairly well. Calendar isn't syncing (other than birthdays) but my 3rd party apps are running fine (so far). The camera doesn't seem to work using the vol toggle as a shutter switch but it does open up camera from the lock screen using dbl home.

Per earlier post regarding sending mail. I had this trouble initially and deleted all accounts and added them. Resolved mail issue. Avoid working with iCloud as it seems to affect syncing at this point.

philip in al
Jun 9, 2011, 06:56 PM
Has anyone been able to successfully Jailbreak an iPhone 4 running ios 5b?
Thanks

cassians
Jun 9, 2011, 07:06 PM
Has anyone been able to successfully Jailbreak an iPhone 4 running ios 5b?
Thanks

iOS 5 has been jailbroken as said by several of the developers currently at WWDC but no jailbreaks will released for at least a while. Probably not until the final version of iOS 5 actually releases because it's not worth it for jailbreakers to spend their time on it until the real iOS is available. Lots of things change between versions of the developer iOS's as well.

Loves2spoon
Jun 9, 2011, 07:08 PM
I loaded iOS 5.0 beta on my iPhone 4 just as I did for iOS 4.0 beta for daily use and it works fine, sure there are a couple hiccups but nothing that can stop me from using new software!

mhdragon
Jun 10, 2011, 01:13 AM
I went through all those options... I'm wondering now if it's because I have my Gmail set up as a Microsoft Exchange push account instead of the Gmail fetch setup?

Thanks for the help tho and I'll keep trying to figure this out!!! :D

Settings > Notifications > Mail > tick "View in Lock Screen"

You might also need to set the Style to "Banners", I'm not sure.

jsnuff1
Jun 10, 2011, 04:10 PM
will itunes 10.3 sync with iOS 5 beta, or do you need to upgrade itunes to the 10.5 beta as well?

forum user
Jun 11, 2011, 02:33 AM
will itunes 10.3 sync with iOS 5 beta, or do you need to upgrade itunes to the 10.5 beta as well?

you'll need 10.5

petvas
Jun 11, 2011, 02:48 AM
Do you have to use xcode and set your phone as "use for development"? I am trying to install ios 5 on my iphone 4 and whenever it tries to install it says there was an error.

Just signed up to be a developer two days ago for ios 5

No, you don't need Xcode. Just download the beta, install iTunes 5 and install iOS 5 beta 1 by clicking on the Restore button by pressing the Alt key simultaneously. You will be prompted to select a file to upload. Select the beta you just downloaded and you are good to go. Of course you need to register your devices UDID before installation. You can do that in the developer portal.

Avenged110
Jun 11, 2011, 02:46 PM
I've been using the iOS 5 Beta for about four days now and, although it does have its bugs, it is stable enough for daily use. I have experienced a couple of crashes and some things in various apps don't work quite right, but overall, nothing that bad. Overall, this Beta 1 seems to be quite a bit more stable than previous Beta 1's. It's worked fine for me.

cjones1978
Oct 8, 2011, 07:53 AM
Hi all, I'm running the beta on my iPhone and when I try and use the weather app notification, I only get the option to turn the notification center on or off. There's no banner option etc. as per the other notifications. Also, anyone know when iCloud for iTunes will be available - is it upon official release of ios5? Likewise the Newsstand seems to be inactive - i.e. - can't download from the store and the relevant apps don't sit within it.

Thanks