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Nick412
Jun 6, 2011, 06:06 PM
I have an iMac with Snow Leopard on it and I have 2 macbooks with leopard on them. In order to get Lion would i have to upgrade the other 2 macbooks to snow leopard or will I be able to download Lion once I have it on my iMac.



weemanpow3
Jun 6, 2011, 06:19 PM
Direct from Apple site

"Make sure you have the latest version of Snow Leopard."

Hopefully their will be a way to transferer the 4gb file to a USB drive or DVD so we don't have to re download for the other SL machines we have.

baryon
Jun 6, 2011, 06:40 PM
What if you only have a single computer, and it has Leopard? Are you supposed to buy Snow Leopard, install it, buy and download Lion, and then install Lion? That's crazy!

weemanpow3
Jun 6, 2011, 07:12 PM
If you have Leopard and a computer that can support Lion, then you will have to buy Snow Leopard and install it to be able to download and install Lion. The total price of SL+Lion isn't high at all IMO $60 total.

Icy1007
Jun 6, 2011, 07:43 PM
What if you only have a single computer, and it has Leopard? Are you supposed to buy Snow Leopard, install it, buy and download Lion, and then install Lion? That's crazy!

Hmm, lets think about it for a moment. Apple announces that Lion will be exclusive to the Mac App Store. The Mac App Store is only available on Mac OS X 10.6.6 or higher.

That means, in order to upgrade to Lion, you will need Mac OS X 10.6.6 or higher.

So, yes, you will need to upgrade to Snow Leopard first before being able to upgrade to Lion.

qacjared
Jun 6, 2011, 07:53 PM
Hmm, lets think about it for a moment. Apple announces that Lion will be exclusive to the Mac App Store. The Mac App Store is only available on Mac OS X 10.6.6 or higher.

That means, in order to upgrade to Lion, you will need Mac OS X 10.6.6 or higher.

So, yes, you will need to upgrade to Snow Leopard first before being able to upgrade to Lion.

It is inconceivable that Apple would not provide an upgrade option for those options where a App Store install is impossible–Government Machines, the Developing World, Large Organizations, Repair Technicians, the list goes on and on. There are people willing to pay for physical media for Lion and pay a premium for it. All Apple has to do is spend a few employee days on some extra on some disc graphic design work for a disc some packaging charge twice the price for the physical version and make lots of pocket money. The cost of doing that is SO low for a company the size of Apple that it seems crazy not to do so, even if they don't want advertise the fact. It's just like how Apple still sells Leopard discs for Power PC Macs if you talk to the right person.

Either that, or an upgraded version of the Mac Box Set with the new version of iWork that was demoed today to solve to Leopard to Lion problem like they solved the Tiger to Snow Leopard Problem.

NazgulRR
Jun 7, 2011, 06:29 AM
So let me get that straight:

The only way to install Lion is to upgrade it from SL?? Won't "clean installations" on blank hard drives be possible?

Morod
Jun 7, 2011, 06:44 AM
It looks like Amazon will be selling Lion:

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Mac-OS-Lion/dp/B002I0K33Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307447007&sr=8-1

I don't think it'll be via download, so maybe a disk version will be made available.

BlackViper
Jun 7, 2011, 07:07 AM
I think there will be some physical media solution for those who need it. It could be as simple as allowing the user to create an install disk/drive using the Lion upgrade app. 4GB seems like enough to hold a full-installation, even if the upgrade is in-place and only updates new files. I don't see Apple requiring a 4GB download to each computer; they've already improved the iOS update process, OS X should be similar. The Snow Leopard upgrade disk was advertised as only for Leopard users/single install, but works just fine to do a full-install on as many machines as you like.

rikscha
Jun 7, 2011, 07:08 AM
that would also imply that in the case of reinstalling the complete system I would have to install snow leopard first and then install Lion. I cant believe it is going to be like that. Totally inconvenient. That would be a step back and they said the installation process would become easier and quicker with Lion. Perhaps one gets access to the app store somehow prior to every new installation?

baryon
Jun 7, 2011, 07:20 AM
Hmm, lets think about it for a moment. Apple announces that Lion will be exclusive to the Mac App Store. The Mac App Store is only available on Mac OS X 10.6.6 or higher.

That means, in order to upgrade to Lion, you will need Mac OS X 10.6.6 or higher.

So, yes, you will need to upgrade to Snow Leopard first before being able to upgrade to Lion.

But isn't that really stupid? I mean if Microsoft did that, wouldn't everyone be saying how unfair they are? Imagine if you had to buy Windows 7 just to be able to install Windows 8 (not just upgrade, but any kind of install). I understand that you can't upgrade from Leopard to Lion directly, but a clean install option should still be there, as it was for previous OSs.

hitekalex
Jun 7, 2011, 11:59 PM
Hmm, lets think about it for a moment. Apple announces that Lion will be exclusive to the Mac App Store. The Mac App Store is only available on Mac OS X 10.6.6 or higher.

That means, in order to upgrade to Lion, you will need Mac OS X 10.6.6 or higher.

So, yes, you will need to upgrade to Snow Leopard first before being able to upgrade to Lion.

No, that's incorrect. There will be ways to install Lion off physical media (DVD or Flash stick). 10.6.x will not be required.

SimonMW
Jun 8, 2011, 03:24 AM
No, that's incorrect. There will be ways to install Lion off physical media (DVD or Flash stick). 10.6.x will not be required.
Well then you must be psychic or something. Apple have said categorically outright that the ONLY place you will be able to get Lion is from the App store. If there was another way to get it they would say "You can get Lion from the App store, or from our Apple stores on disc" etc.

odvan
Jun 8, 2011, 05:39 AM
Well, AFAIK you need Snow Leopard for using App Store. Because it works only in Snow Leopard.

But I also think hard version would be available, cause, you know, how about people in Australia and New Zealand? They have extremely slow internet, will need half a day to download 4GB. That's not a clever thing.

PS I'm newbie - where the hell the option for fast replay? W/o pushing "reply" button?:confused:

hitekalex
Jun 8, 2011, 10:40 PM
Well then you must be psychic or something. Apple have said categorically outright that the ONLY place you will be able to get Lion is from the App store. If there was another way to get it they would say "You can get Lion from the App store, or from our Apple stores on disc" etc.

Yes that's what they said, and they were directing this at individual consumers.

But think about it. My office has 200 iMacs - do you think we will be downloading a 4GB upgrade from App Store for each of these 200 machines?? NO! There will be DVDs or USB sticks available for cases like this.

Newly purchased Macs will also come with USB sticks containing Lion for restore/reinstall purposes, just as they do now.

vtgts300kw
Jun 8, 2011, 10:56 PM
Well, AFAIK you need Snow Leopard for using App Store. Because it works only in Snow Leopard.

But I also think hard version would be available, cause, you know, how about people in Australia and New Zealand? They have extremely slow internet, will need half a day to download 4GB. That's not a clever thing.

PS I'm newbie - where the hell the option for fast replay? W/o pushing "reply" button?:confused:

The 'net isn't that slow down here ( NZ ), but it is freekin expensive for what you get. The 4gb download will cost about $10 ( obviously not a huge expense ), but we are getting a 30% reduction in the cost of the OS.

hitekalex
Jun 9, 2011, 09:44 AM
And what do you know - someone already found a way to create a bootable Lion disk.. AND it's been confirmed no Snow Leopard is required, so Lion can be a completely clean install:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1167173

Fishrrman
Jun 9, 2011, 09:54 AM
"And what do you know - someone already found a way to create a bootable Lion disk.. AND it's been confirmed no Snow Leopard is required, so Lion can be a completely clean install:"

It _is_ possible to create a Lion "boot DVD", boot the Mac from it, and then do a "completely clean install" on a blank volume.

I've done exactly that.

DP4 running fine here, installed from DVD. :)

xgman
Jun 9, 2011, 10:08 AM
same here except that I had to wipe the snow lep drive to get the install to complete and then use migration assistant via time machine to get my stuff mostly back.

irishgrizzly
Jun 9, 2011, 10:10 AM
I say they'll release a stand alone DVD soon after it is available to download via the store. It seems like they want to push people towards the store while they have a captive audience. The DVD will have to ship with new Macs from the day of Lion release.

Cougarcat
Jun 9, 2011, 10:15 AM
There will be no DVD, they made that pretty clear in the keynote. They should offer Lion as a download from their site, though, for Leopard users.

hitekalex
Jun 9, 2011, 01:01 PM
There will be no DVD, they made that pretty clear in the keynote. They should offer Lion as a download from their site, though, for Leopard users.

There WILL be Lion DVDs and USB install keys. Read the whole thread above.

Cougarcat
Jun 9, 2011, 01:19 PM
There WILL be Lion DVDs and USB install keys. Read the whole thread above.

If you are referring to the Amazon link, that is not proof. Amazon posts "guesses" all the time--remember the iWork 11 books last year?

hitekalex
Jun 9, 2011, 03:03 PM
If you are referring to the Amazon link, that is not proof. Amazon posts "guesses" all the time--remember the iWork 11 books last year?

OK, you're going to buy a new iMac in August that will ship with Lion pre-installed. What OS do you think will be included on restore disk that comes with all new systems?

And what about Macs installed in various business environments? Do you think Apple is going to force its corporate customers to individually download Lion from App Store for each and every machine? Of course not - they will provide Lion install disks.

Cougarcat
Jun 9, 2011, 03:11 PM
OK, you're going to buy a new iMac in August that will ship with Lion pre-installed. What OS do you think will be included on restore disk that comes with all new systems?

Someone posted somewhere on here that an Apple Engineer told him (at WWDC, persumably)
that restore disks in new computers will be no more when Lion is released.


And what about Macs installed in various business environments? Do you think Apple is going to force its corporate customers to individually download Lion from App Store for each and every machine? Of course not - they will provide Lion install disks.

Of course not, but I don't think they will offer media. Download + utility to restore to thumb drive.

hitekalex
Jun 9, 2011, 03:15 PM
Someone posted somewhere on here that an Apple Engineer told him (at WWDC, persumably) that restore disks in new computers will be no more when Lion is released.

I don't believe it. How do you restore your OS if you hard drive crashes?

Of course not, but I don't think they will offer media. Download + utility to restore to thumb drive.

OK, but download + utility to create an installable DVD or thumbdrive = the same end result. Although, I think Apple will provide it for those special cases, and it will be USB stick (new MacBook Air's already ship with USB sticks for restore).

Cougarcat
Jun 9, 2011, 03:18 PM
I don't believe it. How do you restore your OS if you hard drive crashes?


Apple wants you to take it to them. Just look at the latest iMac, you can't even replace the hard drive because of that proprietary cable. :mad: