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gorcman
Jun 6, 2011, 09:30 PM
After watching today's keynote, I couldn't help but notice that a large amount of the new features that Lion offers revolve around trackpad multitouch gestures.

So what does this leave for iMac owners who prefer to not use the magic trackpad? Is this Apple's way of saying the mouse is dead?



Wiggo
Jun 6, 2011, 09:34 PM
Magic Mouse supports gestures.

gorcman
Jun 6, 2011, 09:39 PM
Magic Mouse doesn't support all the multitouch gestures that the trackpad uses, even on snowleopard. Not to mention Magic Mouse isn't exactly the most ergonomical mouse. I personally use a Logitech MX revolution. Does that mean 3rd party mouse users on iMacs get the shaft for Lion?

bpeeps
Jun 6, 2011, 09:52 PM
Magic Mouse doesn't support all the multitouch gestures that the trackpad uses, even on snowleopard. Not to mention Magic Mouse isn't exactly the most ergonomical mouse. I personally use a Logitech MX revolution. Does that mean 3rd party mouse users on iMacs get the shaft for Lion?

Download this (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/magicprefs.html) and your Magic Mouse will do everything the TrackPad does. The Magic Mouse is not a palm holding mouse, it is a grip or claw mouse. The ergonomics are designed so that you don't have to move your wrist to accomplish simple tasks. You move your fingers instead.

And um, why would Apple support a third party mouse? If you have a Logictech mouse, it should have it's own drivers and software you can take advantage of...

yakkowarner epi
Jun 6, 2011, 10:44 PM
So i'm getting my imac tomorrow (and my ipod). Do I get the track pad and use my current mouse that I love? Or do I get that weird/newish mouse? I hope I get differing opinions to help me think.

At least they better offer the back to school offer or I'm going to have to demand the unicorn app as compensation.

wangkom
Jun 6, 2011, 10:50 PM
After watching today's keynote, I couldn't help but notice that a large amount of the new features that Lion offers revolve around trackpad multitouch gestures.

So what does this leave for iMac owners who prefer to not use the magic trackpad? Is this Apple's way of saying the mouse is dead?

Well, from what I've seen over the years. It means that Mr. Jobs thinks you are using your computer wrong....

yakkowarner epi
Jun 6, 2011, 10:58 PM
btw, saw the poll someone posted in another thread. 130 like the trackpad and 50 like the mouse. I'm now leaning toward the trackpad (I think.)

Wiggo
Jun 6, 2011, 11:16 PM
btw, saw the poll someone posted in another thread. 130 like the trackpad and 50 like the mouse. I'm now leaning toward the trackpad (I think.)

I ordered both so I can decide for myself.

trsblader
Jun 6, 2011, 11:20 PM
I am in the same predicament. I think what I'm going to do is get the mouse and look for someone selling a used trackpad, or just buy a new one when Lion actually comes out.

tsugaru
Jun 7, 2011, 12:19 AM
It means there's going to be a lot of stuff to 'turn back on' to work with a mouse (scroll bars come to mind.)

On my MacBook Pro I love the trackpad. On my iMac, I prefer to use my mouse.

I think it's just another way to use your computer. You decide on how you want to use it.

gorcman
Jun 7, 2011, 12:41 AM
Download this (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/magicprefs.html) and your Magic Mouse will do everything the TrackPad does. The Magic Mouse is not a palm holding mouse, it is a grip or claw mouse. The ergonomics are designed so that you don't have to move your wrist to accomplish simple tasks. You move your fingers instead.

And um, why would Apple support a third party mouse? If you have a Logictech mouse, it should have it's own drivers and software you can take advantage of...

Even with that download, I can't imagine doing a pinch to zoom or 4 finger pinch on a magic mouse, seems too small.

No, I don't expect Apple to develop drivers for 3rd party mice. I guess I wouldn't have a problem with 3rd party devices not being able to take advantage of Lion features if Apple actually managed to design a mouse that was more ergonomical. Magic Mouse is absolutely atrocious to play computer games on.

bpeeps
Jun 7, 2011, 12:49 AM
Even with that download, I can't imagine doing a pinch to zoom or 4 finger pinch on a magic mouse, seems too small.

No, I don't expect Apple to develop drivers for 3rd party mice. I guess I wouldn't have a problem with 3rd party devices not being able to take advantage of Lion features if Apple actually managed to design a mouse that was more ergonomical. Magic Mouse is absolutely atrocious to play computer games on.

Shrug? My Magic Mouse works perfectly for surfing, checking email, working in Photoshop and Final Cut Pro. But there is no way I'd ever use it for gaming, that's not what its for. I have my Razer for that.

Ergonomics really doesn't mean what you think it means, i.e a mouse that contours to the hand. Ergonomics is concerned with the ‘fit’ between people and their technological tools and environments. It takes account of the user's capabilities and limitations in seeking to ensure that tasks, equipment, information and the environment suit each user. It isn't JUST about how a mouse fits in your hand.

The Magic Mouse's ergonomics are ALL about gestures, but most people won't be able to comprehend this.

Michael383
Jun 7, 2011, 12:49 AM
I like my Magic Mouse and even though Lion seems to favor the trackpad, I'll stick with my mouse.

Baunkjaer
Jun 7, 2011, 12:55 AM
I wouldn´t give up my Performance MX for any Apple device. I´ve both a Mighty and Magic laying around, but I never liked them. What I like is the multi touch on my MBP.
Consequently I look forward to Lion.

GimmeSlack12
Jun 7, 2011, 01:01 AM
Third party mouse users just can't use gestures on Lion (or anywhere else really). Seems pretty simple to understand to me. Scrolling won't be any different.

No one's getting the "shaft". I have a Trackpad right now and can use gestures, you do not and cannot. In other words, nothing will change.

stir fry a lot
Jun 7, 2011, 01:10 AM
Get the Magic Trackpad and pair it with a nice Logitech mouse. That's what I did.

GoKyu
Jun 7, 2011, 01:35 AM
I also have a Logitech Performance MX mouse that blows away any mouse I've ever tried from Apple. I'm more of a desktop than laptop user - the iPad *is* my laptop (i.e. mobile device), and since the only way to interact with it is by touch, gestures obviously make more sense on a tablet than on a full computer.

That's a big reason I don't see Launchpad/gestures as a great feature in Lion - gestures are great, but trackpads (on Macs *or* PCs) are super inefficient. Having to swipe your finger multiple times just to get from one end of the screen to the other isn't what I'd call ergonomic.

Call me old-fashioned, but if I have to use a laptop, I'll continue to use a mouse :)

ErikGrim
Jun 7, 2011, 01:37 AM
I used to be a hardcore multi button mouse user (starting with a Kensington 5-button trackball back in 1994). My absolute favourite was the first Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (absolutely wouldn't die for over five year). Lately I've been using Logitechs MX-1100's and similar (Also had an overpriced G9 gaming mouse which was awful).

I've despised every Apple mouse save for the ADB Pro Mouse.

And then one day I decided to give the Magic Mouse a go as it came free with the iMac I bought.

I can honestly say it's the best mouse I've ever used. Gestures come naturally. With Lion it truly is magical. The UI feels like elastic glass.

I still keep my MX-1100 around for gaming (mostly in Windows), but I am a total convert.

Why no Magic Trackpad? Because I've tried it and it doesn't cut it for precision work (Photoshop etc). Magic Mouse is best of both worlds.

MACza
Jun 7, 2011, 02:26 AM
OK, I just want to use Lion (when one day I upgrade from Snow Leopard) as a "normal" desktop OS with my Logitech mouse (hated the Magic Mouse and still not convinced about the Track pad - especially for Photoshop work etc.).

Will you be able to switch off all the touchy-feely-gesturing stuff from Lion? Will there be any loss in functionality if you do? Maybe this question is premature, as we will only know once it is in use for a while.

I will rather use Quicksilver than all these newfangly gesturing nonsense ;) :D

Does everybody like this departure from a serious/hardcore OS to a Mickey-Mouse OS feel? Seems counter-productive to me :confused:

macbwizard
Jun 7, 2011, 04:00 AM
So if you have just a regular mouse do the scrollbars come back?

vladi
Jun 7, 2011, 05:43 AM
I haven't tried TP for use in productive environment like Photoshop, DAWs and other apps because I tried working on them on a laptop TP and it didnt work really well.

Did anyone actually let's say try to retouch the picture with masking tools using TP? If so how did it go, I am looking for feedback.

GimmeSlack12
Jun 7, 2011, 09:41 AM
I haven't tried TP for use in productive environment like Photoshop, DAWs and other apps because I tried working on them on a laptop TP and it didnt work really well.

Did anyone actually let's say try to retouch the picture with masking tools using TP? If so how did it go, I am looking for feedback.

I'm no professional by any means, but I can hardly use Excel with my Magic Touchpad much rather get around very well in Pixelmator. That's why I still have my wireless MS Mouse plugged in still, can use it when I still absolutely need it.

BigJohno
Jun 7, 2011, 11:42 AM
I think if you are not using any pro apps like adobe you can get by with the trackpad. Trying to do illustrator or PS with a trackpad is a nightmare.

I have the Logitec Performance mx mouse. I love it. You can program all the gestures like a trackpad into the buttons.